Saudi Arabia's atrocity
By John Amato Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 11:01am
This broke a few days ago, but I wanted to post it. With most of the 9/11 hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia and their treatment of women in general---you would think compassionate conservatives like Bush & Cheney would have attacked them instead of Iraq. (They love war) Oh, wait---the Neocon branch of our government doesn't give a shit about that.
A Saudi Arabian human rights attorney is asking the government to allow him to represent a woman who was gang-raped -- and then sentenced to prison for speaking out about the case.
The attorney, Abdulrahman al-Lahim, had his license revoked last week by a judge for speaking to the Saudi-controlled media about the case, al-Lahim told CNN.
The judge more than doubled the sentence against al-Lahim's 19-year-old client because she spoke to the media about the case, a court source told Arab News, an English-language Middle Eastern daily newspaper.
The woman -- who was initially sentenced in October 2006 to 90 lashes -- had her sentenced increased to 200 lashes and was ordered to serve six months in prison under Saudi Arabia's strict Islamic law.
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Yes and the UK recently rolled out the red carpet for the king of saudi arabia, and had prince charles meet him off the plane, makes me feel sick.
where is the condemnations ? we know that if this happened in Iran it would be all over fox news etc.
You'll never hear the neocons talk about things like this. It's one of their dirty little secrets. It's one of the future policy changes they've promised to the xian death cultists in payment for their support.
90200 lashes?i'd be lookin for a way to off myself ASAP.
You see, "compassionate conservatism" only applies to rich, whites and the few brown people who have oil reserves.
Apparently, we can't criticize a country when we suckle hungerily at their enormous oil teet.
That's just par for the course for the Saudis. Consider this excerpt from a report by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom:
"In one case, the Commission was told of a foreign domestic worker who had become pregnant after being raped by her employer. She was subsequently imprisoned because it is illegal for female foreign workers to become pregnant in Saudi Arabia if they are not married."
http://www.uscirf.gov/countries/region/middleast/saudi/saudiReport.pdf
And if the ruling of that judge amazes you, guess who he looks to for controlling legal precedent:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7645118/
Saudi society is saturated with this crap. It's truly endemic:
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
According to Michael Moore, Saudi's have $860 billion invested in this country. This government of the corporation, by the corporation, and for the corporation isn't about to speak against its owners.
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giantpeach @ 4:
According to what I read in the Chicago Tribune, the 200 lashes will be meted out over a period of several days because "no one could survive 200 lashes at one time".
See. They are compassionate after all.
Stories like this pretty well debunk the myth that we are invading countries to bring democracy, how can that be true when we prop up such tyrannical regimes as the saudis.
Another thing about the saudis, the 9/11 families one tried to sue saudi arabia for links to 9/11, guess who defended the saudis ? James Bakers lawyers, they even got there own office in the white house to fight the 9/11 familes case against the saudis.
With respect to you. Find a psychiatrist ASAP, and keep your two-fer BS away from grown up talk.
This story just breaks my heart. A woman was gang-raped and then blamed for seeking justice. Her lawyer has been penalized too.
This transcends partisan lines. If this is Islamic law in action and we, as a country silently condone it, what does that say about our commitment to our own Constitution?
hug the moon @ 9:
Take off the foil hat.
Saudi Arabia is run by a bunch of lunatics. Jesus, I suppose the woman would have been sentenced to death by stoning had one of her attackers died of a heart attack while raping her.
Apparently, the Saudis are waaaaaaaaaaaaay conservative.
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Religious fundamentalism by any other name...
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Why do we continue to be dependent on oil from these jerks? Wouldn't the $2 Trillion for the Iraq war have been better spent on energy independence?
The problem is one of diplomacy, the United States is in bed with Saudi Arabia in more ways than one. Outright condemnation might risk that delicate relationship. We need the oil they produce; they need the cash and, yes, weapons the U.S. sells them.
Don't you feel better knowing this?
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I despise Sharia. But as usual the neocons anger selectively overlooks their buddies Saudi Arabia who are one of the worst practitioners of Sharia. Where are the cries of Islamo-fascism against Saudi Arabia?
So what are we going to do about this? I see we're all appalled that the media isn't covering this. But what can we DO? I pay my Amnesty dues, sure. But I want to smite these bastards and free their women. Tell me how to actually effect a change in a f'ed up land thousands of miles away.
PS hug-the-moon, you can hug my nuts.
http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=10670
Yes and where do we have the moral authority to tell them this is cruel and inhuman?
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hug the moon @ 19:
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That's but one of a hundred stories, supported in their massive article via evidence, that I thought I'd share with you. I won't get into the others, because after seeing the obnoxious assholes at Maher's show, I'm simply not interested. It's off-topic, but you're a loudmouth so that doesn't bother you, now does it?
Now, go and educate yourself before coming back. Though I'd prefer if you didn't.
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The Saudis are pigs. We are dealing with people with a Medieval mindset and we look the other way because they sell us their oil. We should knock these kings and playboy princes off their thrones and replace them with good ol' American stooges.
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hug the moon @ 24:
I take back my snark, then, too. But this isn't the place for your particular brand of theorizing, and as a consequence you look like a crazy person yelling on the street about the Second Coming to anyone who will listen.
Even the stuff mentioned above about jet fuel and steel is based on black-and-white assumptions that thousands of engineers can easily debunk. Again, I encourage any of you buys into the hype put forth by these desperate-to-be-relevant, smug assholes spends a few hours going through the mountains of evidence presented at Popular Mechanics.
Oh, yes. Our friends and allies in the war on terrorism. The Saudis.
First, they bullshit us into a war in Kuwait, and now Iraq. And they are the prime source for personnel for fundamentalist terror groups. Quoting Brant Parker and Johnny Hart, "The King Is A Fink". For the medieval mysoginist nature of his regime, he is also a PIG. Fuck him and the oilmen in the White House that allow this to go on.
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want to know what is even more crazy about this story?:
- Where does the taliban come from? Saudi Arabia
- Where do 80-90% of foreign fighters in Iraq come from? Saudi Arabia
- In what muslim country do women have more rights than Saudi Arabia? IRAN
Go figure. Neoconservatives make make no sense at all.
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Clytemnestra @ 27:
Yes and where do we have the moral authority to tell them this is cruel and inhuman?
Are you for real? Even THEY know it's cruel and inhuman. They do it anyway because the woman and her lawyer are of the minority faction in Saudi Arabia. There are different kinds of Islam and they are part of the minority.
I would hope that everyone with any common sense knows that beating someone who was raped is cruel and inhuman. That doesn't stop people from doing it!
Saudi Arabia is a prominent international adjunct of the Bush Crime Family.
Commander Bunnypants has blood and oil on his hands. He should be tried for war crimes.
That first sentence was meant to be a quote, of course.
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CNN actually covered this quite a bit yesterday (credit where credit is due though I'm loathe to give it) on The Situation Room. (Grain of) salt of the earth Cafferty even had a nice little rant about it in the "roundtable".
equilibrio @ 38:
Say what you will, the Masonic IHOP serves up a mean Belgian Waffle. But you have to know the special handshake to order it.
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Iran is an absolute feminist paradise compared to Saudi Arabia. I get really upset when people dump on Iran for their treatment of women -- they have women in Parliment, as engineers, they can drive, etc. They have conservative idiots who blow a gasket when they see women dressed "immodestly" but they are nowhere near the same level as the Saudis.
There is either a huge irony here or something deeper. Our activities in the region have steadily worsened women's rights. The one good thing about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is that they really believed in gender equality -- so we help the mysogneists overthrow them. Perhaps the only good thing about Saddam is that he, too, believed in gender equality and had women in high places. Now we are going after Iran whilst turning a blind eye to the Saudis.
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Saudi Arabic is just a back-asswards country.
This is what the nightmare of theocracy looks like. Do you really think we'd be any less screwed up if we were run by our own state religion?
Nobody ever talks about why the Al Saud family has encouraged the Wahabist(sp?) whack-jobs. The royal family is so corrupt they had to placate the religious fanatics somehow. If they ever focus their attention inwards they'll find as much within their own country to be pissed about as they do in the rest of the world.
equilibrio @ 38:
The confusion lies in confusing irony for confusion.
Jon Stewart: "Saudi Arabia.. a whole 10% of the 9/11 Hijackers were not from there"
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Has Hug the Moon mooned himself?
Quick! Bomb Iran!
That makes me want to vomit...
First a poor girl is raped... then SHE'S the criminal? WTF?
If 200 lashes to this young woman is the price I have to pay to continue to fill up my Escalade what's the big deal?
Evinfuilt @ 12:
You don't believe that 19 hijackers conspired to fly airplanes into buildings?
Of the 19 suicide hijackers, 16 were Saudi. The money for the attack came from Saudi businessmen. The ideology behind the attack is promulgated in Wahabbi religious schools supported by the Saudi government.
Saudi Arabia attacked the United States through a terrorist organization. Since Reagan bombed Libya, for blowing an airplane out of the sky, shouldn't we have laid the wood on the Saudis. (It would have been so sweet if, once we had the forces arrayed on the border of Iraq, we had instead turned and invaded Arabia.)
They have $860 billion invested in the States? Since they are a state sponsor of terrorism, I think we are justified in nationalizing all those investments. That would almost pay for the costs of 9/11 and the Mess-o-Potamia.
Have you been watching the PBS piece on democracy in ancient Athens? They define the early nature of democracy - slavery etc - and they define the phrase 'exporting democracy' - which they define to mean the expropriation of property to the citizens of Athens from conquered lands. This is what Bush is doing - he is in the classic Athenian sense exporting democracy. You understand that in this interpretation we are the slaves and the 'Bush' class are the citizens - which would include haliburton, blackwater, cheney etc.
My point is, we are not likely able to save ourselves even without involvements in circumstances beyond our shores. The treatment of women in Saudi Arabia is terrible. But, absent the veil, how do you feel about your wife or daughter being class chattle here in the US? How do you feel about 50 million people without healthcare? How do you feel about a society that doesnt protect its children or aged? This is a long list - which I will avoid enumerating.
Did you know that in the 19th century there were 100 arable acres of land per capita in the US and that by the mid 21st century (population ~ 500 million) there will be ~0.6 acres of arable land per capita in the US? Experts conclude the US wont be able to feed itself. Did you know that the American way of life is destroying the ecosphere? There is a region in the center of the pacific twice the size of Texas and growing of non-degradable plastic. Did you know that 90% of large body fish are gone from the oceans?
I doubt you read this ... but ...
Priorities John ...
As long as western leadership cartels are oil invested, and blocking invention of alternative energies, Muslims will be entertained, and their social customs will be tolerated and overlooked.
Halliburton/Cheney Territory -> UAE, the folks who were going to purchase our port security a couple years ago:
Dubai Ruler Sued in U.S. over Enslaving Small Boys
September 14, 2006 3:36 PM
Vic Walter Reports:
The ruler of Dubai came to Kentucky to buy race horses but ended up being served with a lawsuit alleging he enslaved thousands of small boys as camel jockeys.
Sheikh Mohammed al-Maktoum was served Monday with the court papers while attending a horse show in Lexington, Ky., where he spent an estimated $30 million on thoroughbred yearlings.
The lawsuit, brought as a class action, alleged Sheikh Mohammed and his brother were part of a conspiracy "to buy boys in the slave trade, hold them in bondage in brutal camps in the desert" as part of a flourishing camel racing sport among Arab sheikhs.
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The lawsuit calls it "one of the greatest humanitarian crimes of the last 50 years," involving thousands of boys as young as four who were prized because they weighed less than 44 pounds.
The Sheikh's personal 747 aircraft was seen parked this morning at the Bluegrass Airport in Lexington, Ky. There was no immediate comment from the Sheikh or from a spokesman at the United Arab Emirates embassy in Washington, D.C.
giantpeach @ 4:
I imagine this is part of their plan.
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Weaseldog @ 57:
hug the moon does not believe that.
And it needs to take off the shiny beanie step away from the foil roll for a while.
This young lady had already been sentenced for being in the company of an unrelated male. Her sentenced was doubled for speaking out about it. So women aren't allowed to be in the same room, unattended, with a man to whom they are not related. Being caught doing so is worthy of a beating and 6 months in jail.
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The less you separate church and state, the more you separate rich and poor.
Funny how that works.
"Compassionate" conservatives will simply point out that the young woman flaunted the law of the land. Conservatives, of all people, understand that the law of the land must be obeyed. Right? Look at the bush administration. Now, there's a bunch of law-abiders if ever I saw one. Every day, they make me proud to be an American.
/snark off
How nice to be born a fucking MAN in Saudi Arabia.
You can victimize women to any degree and there are no consequences. By golly - the courts will actually make the woman pay for telling about it - then in addition - on top of the shame of the rape that they count on to drive her to suicide - they'll impose physical punishment so incredibly severe that any living person would have trouble surviving it.
When can we start gelding these fuckers at birth?
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Why so many post deletions?
I think the best thing for the middle east is if it was burnt off the face of the Earth.
Here's the REAL shocker that the media completely covered up: it was Dick Cheney holding the whip! His reward for being such a good toady for the sheiks, helping keep the U.S. totally under their control.
Wow, someone missed a troofer post.
Um, yeah.
Hey, dumbass, ever work with steel? You don't need to melt it to bend it. Ever seen someone work in steel? They're not running 3000 degree heat just to make their bends in the steel.
So, who do I believe? A dumbass with no knowledge of how to work with steel? Don't think so.
I wasn't aware that 9/11 had anything to do with Saudi's non existent human rights.
Perhaps that should wait for another 9/11 thread to beat it to death against.
Again.
In relation to the actual topic, Sharia law sucks.
Just an on going example of what religious extremists of ANY religion will do if allowed to run things their way.
I'm sure Dobson's only problem with this sentence is that it's Muslims doing it.
Same goes for the rest of those fundie freaks.
This is an extreme case, but this is how things are done in that part of the world. It's unfortunate, but it shouldn't drive foreign policy. And frankly I wish there were more times the Bush administration would do nothing.
The WH position will have to come from prince bandhar boosh!
NobodySpecial @ 70:
Not everyone knows that steel gains the consistency of taffy, long before it gets hot enough to melt.
um, i dont think this is islamic law. islam and the qu'ran say nothing about punishment for the victim of rape, or at least not to my knowledge. http://www.submission.org/women/rape.html
also, the punishment increased because saudi law offers appeals but a greater penalty if you are found guilty again.
D. Tree @ 38:
Nor does punishing a woman because some man can't keep his penis in his pants. Women of the world unite! And men who believe women should have say over their personal bodies and choices... Perhaps this can be stopped through some international movement that speaks their mind to those in power in Saudi Arabia. It's always escaped me, whatever logic if any is applied, how a woman can be charged with her own rape.
68. how humanitarian...
Trittydi @ 67:
I agree wholeheartedly with you... gelding sounds like the correct solution here.
Richard Peterson @ 58:
Actually, it was 15 that were Saudis. But more to the point, 9/11 itself is just the tip of the iceberg:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
Yes, we should have invaded the Kingdom, and seized all those assets as reparations (and still should).
Bush wants to bitch about how there is nothing to back up Social Security but a bunch of paper IOU's - well, there you go.
Trittydi @ 67:
Right after we geld you.
It is illegal for a woman to meet with an unrelated male under Saudi's Islamic law.
How are they ever supposed to get married and have babies then?
A friend of mine, a nurse, worked in Saudi Arabia 12 years ago. Very weird place.
The streets are patrolled by a religious police force called the Mutawa. They carry long sticks and will arrest or beat anyone who violates dress codes (for women, head-to-toe abayas), socializes with non-family members of the opposite sex, etc.
Westerners who get caught with alcohol are generally thrown out of the country. Usually this means you get put on the first available flight, no matter where it's going. Cairo, New Delhi, they don't care. And if you're a woman, they stamp "Whore" in your passport.
My friend had light hair and blue eyes, and hated wearing her black head covering in 100+ degree weather. Trouble was, unless she kept her hair completely covered, she would be constantly harrassed by Saudi men whenever she left the hospital compound where she worked. Saudis regularly exposed themselves to her and her colleagues at the hospital bus stop and in the markets. The religious obligation to respect and protect women translates in real life into the crudest behavior. Any woman who isn't your wife, sister or mother basically a whore, especially if she's not muslim.
The one place where my friend could relax was the beach compound at her residence. This was a walled area on the shore of the Red Sea, restricted to foreign workers only, where expats were allowed to wear swimsuits. One day, some idiot fisherman complained about the evil people in bathing suits, which caused the Mutawa to show up. They broke into the compound, where they were supposedly not allowed, and started beating the western nurses and doctors with their sticks. My friend had her CD player thrown in the ocean by some screaming fanatic. She thought she was going to be arrested and stuck on the next flight to Damascus in her bathing suit. Instead, the expat beach was closed and the evil infidels were confined to the residence. So to amuse themselves and stay sane, the nurses brewed up some Jeddah Juice - bathtub hooch made out of fruit juice and yeast.
Saudi Arabia is basically the 12th century with crude oil.
I think the punishment is commensurate with the crime.
The judges are justified in protecting the public at large more than the victim in this case. If this were to happen in the US, I would hope that the current administration and the justice dept would do the very same thing, and view the safety of the public at large more than individual right's for personal vendetta. And I am glad that we are moving in this direction. PUBLIC SAFETY should be first and foremost.
The judges, our justice, and the police have taken an oath to protect the public first and foremost. Individual's liberty to create havoc and raise a ruckus, as done by the victim in this case, must be limited and curtailed with force if necessary.
DJ, Arlington Group
Does anyone else find it interesting that the US demonizes the most socially moderate Islamic countries like Iraq, Iran and Syria and yet the harshest islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan are our "friends"
When are you people going to stop undermining our efforts in the ME? You should be supporting the President and our troops.
(I know this is a non-sequitur, but I've been programmed to say it at every opportunity)
Women are also not allowed to testify in court unless it is about a private matter that was not observed by a man...
Hunh? A private matter that was not observed by a man? Such as what? Going pottie? What does this mean?
NobodySpecial @ 70:
Dude, the towers did not melt or bend...they collapsed into total pulverised rubble. lolololo
Sexually abuse women (or young boys in some cases) then employ the draconian powers of the state to silence the victim, inflict additional punishment on the victim for speaking out and quash the ability of the victim's legal counsel to fairly represent them.
Isn't this every neo-con, fundamentalist, conservative Republican nutjob's gooey wet dream?
The two countries that should be invaded in a war on terror is, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.
Iraq, Iran, Syria are all just distractions on the overall plan. Maybe eventually once the US has control over much of the oil in the Middle East, it can cut ties with the Saudis. Since the US is ADDICTED to oil, and Bush wants to reduce the need for foreign oil, holding the oil in the Middle East through US Military control, then it will be termes an 'interest' or 'asset' to give the guise that it is a US owned/local establishment. Being under US control may give them the oppourtunity to remove the term 'foreign' from this oil, resulting in no longer depending on 'foreign oil'.
So, maybe we should have pateince like GWB says?? HA Maybe their real goal is regime change in Saudi Arabia?
Not to mention that oil has hit $99/barrel now. I'd like to invest in oil, but my concience won't allow it.
Big John @ 87:
Right, nothing got bent in the collapse.
DJ @ 83:
Wow. Dude, you need some serious help.
michelle l @ 60:
Yep, but no one beats the Saudis in the race to the bottom. Here's what the author of their official grade school textbooks had to say about slavery:
http://www.arabiaradio.org/english/article.cfm?qid=132&sid=2
And the State Department has designated them a "Tier 3" offender when it comes to human trafficking:
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2005/
That would be the worst possible category.
Ghost Hacked @ 89:
We might see $200/barrel by this time next year.
And now, of course, Hillary is trying to capitalize on it.
Remember, according to the admistration the Saudis are "Our eternal friends."
9/11/2001, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Nationals. No Iraqi Nationals.
Let's invade Iraq!!!!
Trittydi @ 67:
Did you read the entire article? The attacker's sentences range from two to nine years in prison and 80 to 1,000 lashes each. You can debate that the punishment isn't severe enough. Hell, I would agree with you if you did but to say that they got away with "no consequences" is a tad inaccurate.
Oh, and gelding men at birth would only be a temporary solution. I'd say about a generation or so.
Ghost Hacked @ 89:
If you trade oil on the commodities/futures market (where that $99/barrel figure comes from), there's no problem, as the whole futures market is nothing but a global casino.
TBC, the woman in question was sentenced to 90 lashes for "being in the car of a strange man."
Although the British establishment might have fawned over our Saudi guests who came bearing arms contracts, not everyone felt inclined to doff the cap:
If they filmed the woman getting whipped, they'd probably sell a lot of copies on the internet.
People could exercise the concern, among other things.
Big John @ 87:
Dude, the pillars holding them up bent when heated, causing them to collapse.
ROFLMAO at you!
Yea... great bunch, those Saudis... I just love the way they treat their women... Nice legal system too....
(Just in case someone doesn't get it, or otherwise wants to make a straw pony stink over the post instead of the insane system being reported on..yea... it's sarcasm)......JD
DJ @ 83:
your logic is flawed--that's the nicest way i could possibly refer to your idiotic (oops, i was trying not to insult) post.
so, to you, "creating havoc" is talking to media, and the punishment for that is a savage beating. and not only are you ok with that, you wish that we would do that here in the US. to you "protecting the public" is silencing victims. that is one sick vision of justice.
it is pathetic and shameful that an american citizen would view whipping a rape victim who spoke out as "justice".
the notion, spewed by dj, that "public safety" is the whipping of a teenage rape victim, should give us all pause and wonder just what kind of citizens america is producing.
Hello, BESIDES the OIL, the Republicans if anything are envious of the Saudis, that's why these last 6 years the Republicans have been trying to emulate the Saudis, theocracy and all.
I'm not one to coddle Hillary but the Republicans would have stoned her to death long ago
if there wasn't a law against such behavior.
Yeah I know, laws haven't been much of a deterrent against their crimes thus far. In fact give them another 4 years and stoning may seem merciful .
And Bushie holds hands with the hand that holds the lash.
And these are the bush friends? With friends like these and a appointed president like bush, a few terrorists would be a welcome break!
Samson- @ 102:
Geeezus H.W. Schmidt!!!
I think those (and all) rapists should be castrated with a rusty spoon. I have absolutely NO sympathy for a fucking rapist!
And DJ...wow...fascist much? Your defense of the actions of the Saudi judges says alot about what you would like to see happening in this country...Not on my fuckin watch pal, I guess justice has to come in last when "Public Safety" is on the line...that is some fucked rationalizin ya got goin on there Sonny Jim...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,971699,00.html
This is a lovely story.
Blaed @ 77:
Fuck you. These people are barbaric and we are enslaved to them because of oil. Wanna know what the people in the Middle East will be like 1000 years from now? Go back in time 1000 years ago and you'll see there will be no change except that they'll be cutting off each others heads with lightsabers.
I always thought Saudi Arabia was ghoulish... This comes as no surprise, but hearing about the details is tough. Such injustice, and we're all cozy with them... Makes me sick.
Samson- @ 102:
Take a look at the Wikipedia entry for the Arlington Group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_Group and you'll find everything you need to know about DJ and where he/she is coming from.
As I alluded to in my comment at #5, the death cultists are praying for the day when they can legally mete out some Old Testament style punishment to the heathen classes. I'll bet DJ gets all moist in the loins just thinking about watching the whipping and beheading broadcasts on FOX teevee.
What has happened in Saudi Arabia is 3 things;
1- inhumane
2- not unlike what happenes in other parts of the world as per their customs
and # 3
Thee Suadi's Business and NOT the USA's
Just another instance of the USA not minding their own business and problems...............like they are free and exempt from any skull-duggery.
Listen up folks........every day American media of all sorts reports on absolute intollerable crap that goes on in the USA that other "savage" countries would not tollerate.
What makes the USA so perfect.....the DOLLAR?
radiant @ 112:
Dude. Learn to punctuate. , ............
She should be executed for allowing herself to get gang-raped (she probably brought in on herself) and bringing shame to the family. Before she is executed they should cut out her tongue for speaking out about it. The nerve of that lousy worthless woman! What on earth gave her the impression her status was elevated to that of a dog?
As for her rapists, they should be commended for showing the world how just islamic law is. Think about how wonderful it would be if we heathens in the west adopted such a wonderful religion! We could rape all the lowly useless women (as a result of extreme sexual repression) then imprison them (after whipping them) for speaking out about it. Oh the joy. Allah, please bring your wisdom to the west...
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Yellow Elephant Safari @ 111:
thanks for the link, and why am i not surprised that the group calling for whipping of "uppity" rape victims is a far-right, christian, extremist group with ties to the GOP? it just fits too nicely.
WWJWTS (who would jesus whip to silence)?
This is exactly what the religious right would do here if they had the power. This is why our Catholic Supreme Court is so dangerous. This is why organizations such as the Freedom From Religion Foundation are so important. This is why Republicans (Theocrats) must be defeated. This is why the separation of church and state is vital.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 112:
And spell, we Witches know how to spell.
liberalNmoderation @ 106:
I'm right there with you LibNmod. If it ever comes down to it, I plan to deal with the xian death cultists the same way those guys handled the zombies in "Night of the Living Dead".
However we're not too good at typing.
Do pornography writers have to use the hunt and pecker approach to typing?
117 Yellow Elephant Safari Says:
I’m right there with you LibNmod. If it ever comes down to it, I plan to deal with the xian death cultists the same way those guys handled the zombies in “Night of the Living Dead”.
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Offering some A-1 sauce?
ysbaddaden @ 118:
Is "hunt" a typo? I mean, the 'c' and 'h' keys aren't very close together on a QWERTY keyboard so I'm confused....
Preacher Boob @ 104:
kindanasty's?
Don't worry. Saudi is on the neocon list of middle east countries to be conquered for their oil. It was originally planned to take down Saudi Arabia after Iraq, Syria, and Iran had been conquered in wars of agression that would be conducted under flimsy pretenses. Maybe the excuse that they will use for Saudi Arabia will be one of rescuing fair damsels from the foul dragon of sharia law.
Symes @ 100:
I don't think you take my meaning...wink wink to those that do!
The only difference between the christofascists in the US and the islamofascists in muslim countries like Saudi Arabia is what they can get away with.
The fundy christians in the US would do the same thing if they could.
I hear the birth pangs of freedom, democracy, and respect for humanity coming from Saudi Arabia now. No, I was wrong. It's the cry and wailing of victims of atrocities that occur there daily. Shame on Bush and Cheney for lying to the American people and shame on us for our stupidity and blind trust in these two felons and our fear of our own mortality.
come on 100 Symes...I will give you 10 seconds top figure it out...tick tock tick tock HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHHHAAAA
Big John @ 126:
Obscure reference? Explain.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 117:
Damn skippy sparky!!! Great movie BTW!!!
Damn! You guys sound just like Repugs!
Kill em! Castrate em with spoons! Burn their desert! DIE!
I'm not seeing much hope for this country when the progressives are just as violent and unthinking as the fascists.
Two sides of the same coin you might say.
Big John @ 126:
Times up, must have been some obscure cultural reference that you think we all should know.
Symes @ 100:
What really happened on 9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ_T7GnAmrE
Oil trumps human rights, apparently.
With an ally like that, who needs enemies? Where's the urge to spread democracy?
Wow, this thread is misinforming. Asshole writer!
The girl went to jail for being with someone she was not to be with.
Not because she spoke out about the case, douche!
Misinforming just made you no better than the neo-con's.
ysbaddaden @ 131:
Sweet, been a long time since I've seen any Gojira.
So which one was al Qaida? I'm betting it was Gaigan.
Symes @ 129:
I'm not for killins, or for burning their desert up...but you don't think a rapist ought to be castrated? What rape does to a woman is very VERY traumatic, painful and humiliating, and I for one think they should be subjected to the same. Again, NO fuckin sympathy for a god damn rapist I say!
Guy in PDX @ 134:
now who is misinforming?
"The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm
136 liberalNmoderation
Rapists like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB7tClTaQbg
liberalNmoderation @ 136:
Nope, I'm European in my sensibilities.
Lock them up for ever, alone and untouched.
Let them live with that physical isolation until the end.
The House of Saud could not stand without the west. Some reasons for their certain demise would include a large Shite population especially in the oil producing regions, the rising regional influence of Iran, a rabid anti western value system that transcends the scope of religion.
The dehumanization of women is a cultural practice. That means burning the widows at their husbands cremation is OK in some places, or the widespread value in some parts the world that having female child is planting a seed in another persons garden, or the promotion of driving around LA without underwear in case of paparazzi.
“The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media. ”
No, your wrong. They judges up'd the punishment for the womans media 'negative'(?) influences.
The initial punishment was of 89 lashes and some small jail time, for being with another man who was not family.
You can look it up for yourself if you want. Liveleak has great video from Al-jazeera on the topic.
"No good deed goes unpunished!"
Guy in PDX @ 134:
Charming. You resort to the rapist's defense that "she was asking for it".
I wouldn't want you anywhere near my sister.
Hey, site monitor(s)! Why was my post discussing the links between Saudi Arabia and the United States (specifically, the Bush family, although there are many other entrenched interests between the two nations as well) deleted? Was it the link?
I'm not trying to sit up a fuss; I simply want a better notion of how the rules operate by understanding what I did specifically that violated them. I'm going to bugger off either way. Oh, and I understand entirely why my posts debating the conspiracy nut were deleted; I should have known better than to get sucked into that sort of thing anyhow!
Wow, how did you read that out of my post. Your brain is scrambled, go to Radio-Shack.
Guy in PDX @ 141:
ummm, i did look it up, hence that is a quote from the BBC. call them wrong, i only quoted the beeb.
but what is shows is that you were not wholly correct either. the woman's total sentence is for both "transgressions". i'm just sayin' that if you call people 'assholes' for, as you said, misinforming, you best be sure that you post isn't misinformation too... lest you be called the same.
Symes @ 139:
Too easy on them, I say, chop off their weapon, throw them in general population, let them see how it feels to get raped! THAT would be justice in my opinion. I think someone that's capable of forcing themselves onto a woman, doesn't deserve any kind of protection in prison...once convicted that is...
the saudi royals made a deal years ago with the Wahhabi sunni sect of islam to cement their hold on the kingdom.
it was a deal with the devil.
they're the most regressive, militant, and proscriptive sect of islam towards women, other religions, and cultures.
liberalNmoderation @ 146:
And that is why the US is looked upon with suspicion and distrust by the civilized world.
That really is no better than what the Saudis do,
I have a post up on AOL that covers outgoing DHS spokesmodel Townsend fawning tribute to the Saudi royal family and how it compares with the treatment of women there. Check it out here. Also everyone, AOL' blogs are filled with crazy caps-talkers. Could come on by and support us liberal bloggers there? It would be much appreciated
The woman — who was initially sentenced in October 2006 to 90 lashes — had her sentenced increased to 200 lashes...
Why don't we send the Saudi's Madonna to take her place? I hear she's into that sort of thing.
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