Karl Rove Blames Tom Daschle For 2002 Iraq Resolution
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This morning on Fox News Sunday, Karl Rove--who is quickly becoming the laughing stock of Washington-- appeared with Rep. Chris Van Hollen (chair of the DCCC) to talk politics. When the discussion turned to Iraq, Van Hollen seized the opportunity to confront Rove for his failed attempt to blame the Democrats for pushing the White House into voting on the 2002 Iraq war invasion resolution. Rove's response? Why, it was all the fault of former Democratic Senator, Tom Daschle. What?
Yes, the truth finally comes out -- the tyrannical, warmongering Tom Daschle was out on the news shows in 2002, beating the drums of war and eventually the Bush administration, with his boot to their throat, relented and let the Democrats have their war.
Van Hollen reads a statement from former White House Press Secretary, Ari Fleischer, who refutes Rove's claims, but missed the opportunity to bring up Andrew Card, who not only refuted Rove's claims, but used him as a punchline earlier this week. Rove kept spinning, but eventually, host Chris Wallace put an end to the discussion. Let's hope Turdblossom stays out there making a fool of himself for as long as possible...
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Lying sack of turds.
Turd Blossom.....stinks.
He may be the laughing stock of DC, but Duke is hosting him to speak Monday.
I'm sure Rove's the one laughing, all the way to the bank.
I think this goes to the "never admit making a mistake" theory of Karl's. Just keep repeating the lie, sooner or later your critics will get bored - and your version of events will become the official history.
My suggestion: any Democrats appearing on a talk show with Karl should bring him a stuffed shark and ask him to jump over it. Maybe we can all send shark-encrusted jump ropes to Time Magazine?
So it's the democrats who are responsible for our overwhelming victory and democracy spreading in Iraq? I guess all the rabid right wingers owe us all a big old apology and need to bow down to our amazing terrorism fighting abilities. You're welcome Rush and Sean.
KKKarl Rove was for the War before he was against it...
Karl Rove is a loathsome, lying, bloated tick, but what's new?
Wait'll after Hillary's nominated, it'll be her PMS that started the 'Shock and Awe' invasion of Iraq.
I was going to say, "I hope the Secret Service is keeping an eye on this nut," but then I thought better of it....
He seems to be desperately trying to pin this on the Democrats before the '08 elections. It's probably part of "Teh Math". Good luck Karl! As long as any Repub is dumb enough to listen to you, I'm happy.
The not-so-mellow stylings of Karl Rove, ladies & gents. Soon to drown in his own lies & coverup lies. Lies upon lies upon lies will never make truth, you lying sob.
As I posted last wk., it's not like in 1984, Karl, your playbook perhaps. Everyone & their uncle can immediately check your latest lies on Google, youtube, Lex-Nex & etc, etc, etc.
Next Karl will claim that Hans Blix rushed us into the Iraq war...
Whoever believed this flaccid assed college drop-out and long time Republican apparatchik(leach on the political system) is a boy genius?
So they took advantage of the nation in our desperate hour--sort of like a rapist----Now he's just a blathering tool.
He is George W. Bush's Josef Goebbels.
-GSD
If the fat-bastard was in jail, where he is supposed to be, he would not be able to continue his true profession (LYING).
I actually turned fox news on to watch karl rove speak.Can someone please tell me, is this guy for real? Fox news Sunday is actually a serious program ..right? I was laughing my ass off watching it was so funny.Karl rove actually talking about trillion dollar tax increases by the dems.......ummmmm yah ok what dream world is he living in.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Damn them Maxine Waters, Russ Feingold and Ron Paul for pushing this war on us Americans!
-GSD
Thank the Democrats for the success of the Surge!
-GSD
When a Texan lies, they lie big.
Everyone involved is pathetic - including democrats.
The war was illegal from the start - it was a CRIME. Everyone - including triangulating democrats - who supported it should be charged with committing crimes against humanity.
This was nothing less than ARMED clauswitzian Politics - which is illegal.
P.S.
As a comment - Rove wins this one. Tactically, the biggest problem the democrats have had is their reactive nature. They have yet to really take the initiative and lead events. Rove is doing what Rove always does - he is leading events. That is a winner - and the democrats will let him do it.
I see a likely republican in the whitehouse in 2009. (Assuming Clinton is nominated)
they outsmarted us for yrs thanks to the turd blossom and his minnions. and they are still outsmarting us, they know what youll do about anything that goes on ,and they got it covered, nothing even 911 is just a happening its all been scripted just like a movie, you cant believe what you see or hear anymore, its an alice in wonderland movie complete with the mad hatter, the corporations own us , so pay up, the politicians have sold us out ,watch wich states will decide the election for president because they fixed them long before you got your first cup of coffey this morning!!!!!
This is a fascist BIG LIE. The more Rove lies the more his 30% will believe him.
And for those who simply can't get enough of Turdblossom's incredible bullshit, he'll be contributing a regular column to Newsweek. Our "Liberal" media at work.
anon @ 18:
Change your meds then.
Karl is like the date rapist that claims 'She wanted it as much as I did'
tyree @ 19:
And they also know people are most likely going to (quote) take a last step into fatal insolvency in order to put a plasma TV screen under the Christmas tree and appear as heroes to their families.
Wes @ 23:
good anology
GSD @ 16:
As I noted, this is reactive.
How about this - why would you think armed suppression would fail? Do you know what peace is? Do you understand the difference between a lack of hostility towards your neighbors and the lack of opportunity to express hostility towards your neighbors?
Peace is not a consequence of a lack of opportunity for violence - the surge - peace is a consequence of the lack of hostility - which has nothing to do with a surge, or anything military for that matter.
The issue should have been the elimination of the hostility NOT the elimination of opportunity for violence.
One of the reasons for reduced violence is homogenized neighborhoods - cleansed neighborhoods.
I would be interested in learning whether returning refugees are returning to re-mix purified neighborhoods or is their return buttressing the homogeneity of the neighborhoods. In otherwords, now that the 'other types' of people are gone, is it safe for them to come home. This is a story that isnt being clearly covered. Perhaps one of the C&L journalists like Nicole will investigate.
If they are returning and creating peaceful heterogenious neighborhoods then we have peace. Otherwise, its nothing more or less than the inevitable consequence of sectarian conflict.
The bloggers need to step up on this issue. I doubt you will hear anything on this topic from the government.
Shiva H Vishnu @ 25:
sorry about the spelling slip
Rove sees the writing on the wall, he knows he'll be out on his ass by Xmas, and he's auditioning for his own 'Comedy Minute' show on Fox.
Lyndon Johnson authorized Abu Ghraib.
...well, let's give van hollen a break-he didn't mention card because...well, looking at rove, wallace and sitting in the fox 'studio' knowing that journalism has NOT been their crowning achievement can disract anyone-it must have been tough on his stomach, too.
"You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap. You’re a lying, scheming, stinking, nasty sack of liquid crap! plink plink"
Shiva H Vishnu @ 22:
Smartass - yeah you.
Clinton has 50% negatives. Half the people in the US wont vote for Clinton under any circumstance. She is the worse candidate to run against the republicans. For that reason, I suspect the republicans are doing everything in their power to see to it that she is the candidate. Zogby polls (I believe it was zogby) indicate that 4 republicans candidates can beat clinton. Edwards destroys every republican in every poll - which is why he wont be the democratic candidate.
Kerry was beatable, Dean was not. Kerry was the nominee. This is happening again.
You can be a fanboi - or you can think.
"distract"
WAKE UP...he can stay "out there making a fool of himself" forever and it will STILL be a non-story...today on TWWGS Kristina Vandenheuvel of the NATION made a remark about being glad they were going to "talk about" the Rove statements...then Georgie quickly moved over to more punditry opining on Hillary and Obama's potential success in IOWA and then never returned to Rove's crap! Watch your MSM closely...then will sidestep this story in the same way they give lip service to that adulterous former mayor of NYC and the continuing unraveling of his SPIN about just how GREAT he'd be as president...You'd think those pious old hypocrites in wingnutosphere would be concerned that Rudy's next fling might take place right there in the OVAL OFFICE and THEN "what would we tell the children?"...Nothing, of course, because no one even dares to use the word adulterer (?) when referring to AMERICA'S MAYOR!!!!! Let's get back some of that video of the mid-nineties and listen to the rhetoric they were spinning about good old BILL!!!!! Different strokes for different folks, I guess, huh???? Pisses me off...can you tell???
djtyg @ 31:
Isn't there another descriptor in there?
At any rate, I'll be singing it all day.
Maybe it was the mysteriously sent - military sourced high grade Anthrax that was sent to Daschle, Leahy, and several others that gave them the impetus to pass the legislation, and the Patriot Act.
Never been anyone arrested, tried, and convicted for the largest bioweapons attack on the American people (excepting Tuskegee, and a few other government sponsored bio-chemical tests upon an unwary US citizenry.)
Piss on Rove! (if you want to soak all of him, you'd better save up)
This is why Repubs, according to a recent study, self-report a higher level of mental health and happiness. It's because they're delusional. Ignorance is bliss.
BTW, on this day in 1954, a Senate that finally said "enough is enough" voted to censure Joe McCarthy. As usual, those who stand behind their lying man are the Repubs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/2/newsid_32050...
Karl still doesn't get it. People are sick of all his lies.
He's the teflon fungus no longer. :)
Truth Be Told @ 36:
Good reminder. Some things we shouldnt forget. Thanks
JFK authorized nuking Iran, just before he left for Texas.
I loved watching Van Hollen touch Rove's arm numerous times and Rove's jumbled complaint the first time. Then at the end, when asked by Wallace if they'd return, Rove said something to the effect of "yes if he would stop touching me". Van Hollen's response to that was a very funny line about just keeping Rove constrained! What a hoot. This was the first time since Bill Clinton's interview that I could watch faux news for so long without gagging and turning the channel.
*Somebody ought to touch Karl with pitchforks and torches!!!!
Anyone wanna bet Santa never brought this fat sack of s*it anything for Xmas, and the Tooth Fairy kicked his teeth in?
Sounds like he's been getting "how-to's" from Ann Coultier on public speaking. Bush's Brain is a fitting description - gelatinous and retarded.
Drugs must have worn off.
Let's not lose site of the real tragedy here, these guys were, are, and will continue to be completely, utterly delusional. That is what we've been saying, but I think we should take this fact from all of this. Even outside the "bubble" they continue, I think it shows how critical it is to remove them from power. Look at it squarely in the face America, this is who makes life and death decisions - IN OUR NAME!
YellowSnow @ 42:
I'd like to see your source on this.
It is known that Kennedy axed the Joint Chiefs plan for 9/11, I mean, Cuba - Operation Northwoods. That was a plan to stage attacks on US forces and assets and cast blame upon Castro's Cuba in order to justify a followup to the Bay of Pigs.
rove the revisionist historian continues to claim to have "secret knowledge". like the informations only he had that the Dems would never win majority in 06'.
Considering his previous position and his role as one of the major architects of this entire mess I am surprised to see him out trolling the bobble head shows. Who'd have thought karl would end up under the bus? I honestly didn't see that happening until shrub was finally indicted internationally. In other words, either in a far off future or never.
I guess he's not the teflon fungus any more.
Note: I'm not sure why my earlier comment came out blank but I must have done something wrong. Sorry about that!
Karl Rove quickly becoming laughing stock of Washington? Great news. Maybe someone somewhere will finally be emboldened to go after the prick.
Karl Rove should be urine soaked and walking the streets with a sandwich board yelling at passers-by, permanently upwind from his gutter-butt-buddy G-dub.
Float the lie and have the propaganda machine keep repeating it. Soon, reality won't matter to at least 31% of the population.
naschkatze @ 51:
Doub't it. Not while Bush is chasing after Moby Dick
Karl Rove: "Poland invaded Germany in 1939"..... Fox News: "Thanks Karl, for that info!".
I don't think Karl has any friends left. He didn't care too much about who liked him and who didn't when he had all that power in the White House, and now that he doesn't, even the Bushbots are laughing in his face.
If you tell a lie, and all your buddies back you up on it, then you can look like maybe you might could be telling the truth, but if you tell a lie and all your buddies laugh at you then you just look like a jackass.
The next thing you know Rove will be blaming Bush's dog Barney. This is telling though. If Iraq was suppose to go as he and the Neocons planned Rove would be taking full credit for all of the claims they made. Instead, he is blaming everyone else for this illegal war.
foolme1ns @ 58:
It's never been about friendship to these kind of people. It's about using each other. The phony smiles, kissing ass to climb the career ladder, not rocking the boat asking tough questions.
Scott @ 57:
Actually, that was the plan of Operation Himmler. A staged act by the Germans involving German prisoners dressed up in Polish army uniforms and given polish weapons, were shot dead at several sites around the German border and at a radio station.
Germany just didn't start the blitzkrieg against Poland. They staged a Polish attack to give them some justification for their war.
Sound familiar?
Truth Be Told @ 48:
Excuse me, you must think you're talking to YellowSnow. I'm Karl Rove, 'YellowSnow' is just my pixelnym, and I'm the 'source', and that's that!
Truth Be Told @ 61:
I am aware of that, but you get the idea why I wrote what I did. It's called revisionist history.
These lying scaliwags have been with us since nigh on a dragon's age. All the way back to the beginning they were with us, and still they just won't go away. I invite you all to laugh your collective progressive butts off and take a look at my original story America the Prequel: A Tale of Two Georgies!!!
http://www.lockergnome.com/merlyn/
The Big Lie only works if the other liars are on board.
Keep trying, Karl.
I'm surprised Rove didn't say. . . . Chris I know there are angry pacifists out there throwing things at their teevee sets right now. But thats what makes America great. The right to express ones self.
When a democrat wins the presidency in 2008, the republican lying machine will be preparing for 2009 and beyond for they will use that opportunity to sell the failures in Iraq as yet another "Democrat" blunder. By 2013, the public would have forgotten who got us into the mess in the first place, short attention span, don't you know? And the republican party will win the white house again.
RMB @ 20:
tyree @ 19:
anon @ 18:
to me, this is just the msm giving rove a platform. they know the facts contradict his lies, but just like the WaPo hit piece on Obama this week, a lie by a repug/reighwinger/neocon will be given the same or more weight than the truth from a Democrat/Progressive.
until there is honesty in media, the repug/reighwinger/neocon bastards will always look like winners.
And THIS IS THE GUY the republicans credited with getting bush elected (??).
Well he did have the biggest bag of dirty tricks and used them to beat the country to death. With the stupid ignorant statements he has been making, is he along with bush suffering dementia..... Wonder if that is why he resigned.
And once again -- with Rove making an attempt to point fingers and "pass the buck" with regard to who's responsible for a war which has become increasingly unpopular since 2002 -- the Republicans only succeed in demonstrating that when they pontificate (as they so often do) about people taking responsibility for their own decisions and behavior, it's a case of "do as I say and not as I do". Pathetic...
Rove, check yourself into the nearest mental health facility...NOW!
Marge @ 67:
The Cons don't care if they win. They can now control the country by pulling economic strings at will. That's always been the plan.
How much you want to bet that many right-wingers believe Rove...and then curse the Dems for starting the war?
A dumber, more reality-challenged group one will never find...
McDuff @ 65:
that is why rove is being recorded: for future playback. the fat that he is lying will be ignored in the future as it is being ignored today!
Rovie's not stupid. Whenever something like this transpires, my first instinct is that this is a real-life version of Bugs Bunny going, hey, look over there...
They know something this blatant is going to draw coverage, so what nefarious thing is going on that they are trying to distract our attention from?
CoIntelPro @ 72:
oops!
Karl is not lying, he's spinning factual events to paint a completely non-factual narrative. What Karl is painfully spinning is the fact that to prove Cheney's idea of a unitary executive, the original plan was to go to war WITHOUT getting authorization from congress. Democrats naturally and constitutionally said no, you need congressional authorization. Following that chain of events, Karl blames correctly Dems for the congressional vote. Karl's lying, treasonous misdirection is to equate the vote with going to war, thus laying the blame at the Democrat's feet.
What the press or anyone who is interested needs to point out in response to this is that Cheney's original plan was to go to war with no congressional approval because he felt that despite the constitution, the president didn't need it.
Karl must need a wheelbarrow to carry his balls around.
dee @ 73:
Information overload is one of their chief weapons. It confuses people, tires them out, breaks their will, and makes them sick.
Eventually people will just TUNE OUT. Then they win.
I hope the 24% or less percent that still support clowns like Rove see him now for what he truly is: A sniveling, cowardly little behind the scenes man that really wanted the Iraq war and now will not take responsibility for its disastrous results. That is pathetic if you ask me and gives a serious blow to the morale of the troops that had to carry out Bush's screwed up orders.
Dems are going to lose every debate when they let Rove decide what the debate is going to be on. Cut through the bullshit: Iraq was one of the worst policy decisions ever made. The Bush administration made it. They and the people who supported them have responsability for it and no amount of parsing is going to change that.
I think it is obvious that a man like Rove who keeps lying about matters of life and death and does not get held accountable would continue to say whatever he wants to because he doesn't think he's going to get called on it. The senate needs to hold him in contempt. I still dont understand how he escaped unscathed from the Plame case.
Joe O. @ 77:
As long as it supports the Con agenda they will cheer him on.
LOL . . . . Rove .... LOL . . . .Rove . . . . .
Democratic spend money and raise taxes and that's not goof dor the economy
BuT
spending money but cutting taxes (and 6 years of total Republican rule)is GOOD for the economy???????
gawd no wonder we are in such deep shit
jackrabbit @ 78:
People forget quickly.
dee @ 73:
perhaps the collapsing sham of the 'peace talks' involving all the middle-east countries except Iran.
perhaps the manipulation of the financial markets this week to coerce another interest rate drop, which they have just been promised.
perhaps the announcement of the 3900th death of a US serviceperson in Iraq.
perhaps the collapsing military AND political situation in Afghanistan.
perhaps the collapsing military AND political situation in Pakistan.
perhaps the chinese no longer allowing the US navy to take port in Hong Kong, having turned away the navy carrier force for thanksgiving break and having turned away a distressed US military ship.
perhaps the plight of the american veteran. period.
perhaps the plight of the people in New Orleans.
perhaps the $23BILLION cut in FEMA funds for first-responders because boosh thinks the money is not being used the way he thinks it should be.
...
perhaps I could be typing for quite some time if I wanted to compile a complete list of what the bastards want to hide.
Karl certainly looks like he's been eating well since he left office. Seriously, what we're watching here is a psychotic break in the making. He's really going 'round the bend. Nice to see these folks experiencing their karmic reward before our eyes.
jackrabbit @ 78:
msm decides the debate. not the dems. where is the democrat who has the courage to say. "That is a lie!"
Blatant lying has worked well for Karl for a long time... why should he think that he should stop now?
Filthy Harry @ 75:
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Karl must need a wheelbarrow to carry his balls around.
that's jeffy gannon's job. he's under the table.
Tom Daschle is wrong and Karl Rove is absolutely correct despite his incessant blathering but not for the reason that they (D's & R's) would like the public to believe.
The flock of 'em pushed blindly to war in Iraq 2000-03 with the promise of enough money to go round... FOR ALL OF 'EM! Read the daily Congressional Record from the period/ check the various votes to the run-up of hostilities in Iraq. A majority of Democrats including, Mr. Daschle were lockstep with the President.
This is a money war people... profiteering... oil & resource management, the dollar v. euro, defense contractor pork & campaign contribution kick-backs, Evangelist collection plate passing... to fill the heavenly bank accounts of each of our elected representatives. My only question to Daschle is what was the size of your personal portfolio before the war and where does it stand today?
The Democrats pushed toward war with marked determination as surely as their Republican brethren. The only difference being Democrats, as always, sneaks and hypocrites on the run-up to war, back-rooming deals then whining to the press about Big, Bad W.
All the while 3,881 of our kids are dead.
Thanks Democrats. You suck!
whats interesting about this little debate is that you get ot see how Karl really works. Usually we have seen him in a very controlled environement. Here he is free wheelong and running his "Facts" by the panel. You can see how tenacious he is and prepare a counter offensive. Say what you will about KKKArl he is prepared for his debates. He had his little Tom Daschle quotes all in a row and whne someone start srunning off "quotes" it is hard to rebut especially when you have to fight through the Fox News cabal. Basically you can see that Karl is a bully and you have to be prepared to rebut a bully at every turn!
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times...THIS IS DASCHLE'S WAR!
Yah, everybody is outraged by the blatant lies, but remember how bad a president Reagan was? And how is he remembered now? As the second coming. And the reason is almost twenty years of repeating the same lies until they are the conventional wisdom.
There is some precedent for what Rove is doing. He knows if he keeps this outrage up, wingnuttery will run with it, then some asshat at a MSM outfit will write a piece like the one this week by Perry Bacon at WaPo, then a few years later someone will reference that article to support the Daschle claim. Then the lazy stenographers dont do their homework and voila...history is rewritten.
I hope Fox Febrezed Rove's seat. It must have smelled like overripe Turdblossom and horse shit casserole.
-GSD
a little googling...
Daschle made it clear he was far from supporting any sort of congressional resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq.
"There are a number of questions that remain about this effort," Daschle said, citing the reaction of the international community to Bush's speech, the effect a strike against Iraq would have on the war on terrorism and U.S. plans for what would replace Saddam's regime in Iraq.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/12/iraq.congress/index.html
On the other hand the cowardice of the Democratics is well documented here:
The initial posture of Gephardt and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle was to oppose any war resolution being brought before Congress before the elections, with the claim that the Bush administration was “playing politics” by seeking to put Democrats on the spot in the run-up to the November 5 vote.
It is, of course, true that the Bush administration and Republican Party operatives cynically calculated the electoral advantage they presumed they would gain from the war resolution
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/dems-o11.shtml
Sorry to bring this up but I *am* curious - what are the implications for KKKarl's aversion to being touched by another man? I definitely had him has a bottom but does this mean he's one of those angry tops? Eeewwww...
Dirty Hippie Blogger @ 87:
before this year I would have disagreed with you, but since the 2006 election, the behavior of the dems gives truth to your statements. The DLC, DSCC and DCCC and the leading candidates have all done things which fit your statement.
The fact that Rove can say this on Network television and not have the commentator laugh in his face shows who OWNS THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S MEDIA. The right wing.
Imagine a prominent democrat going on TV to blame The Clinton-Lewinsky affair on a republican and actually being given air time? Amazing.
The ten points of fascism. Familiarize yourselves. We're living them.
Anon@32 is correct..
And the old timers will note this as I .. and certainly some others who hang here for years have said that
Hillary can't win... Why is fairly obvious.
I mean aside from the Democratic party cutting out the CORE of the party to pander to the right wing middle of the roads when they are for the most part ethically opposite from the ideal ideals held by the core of the Democratic party...
She has sooo much hype.. Such a War Chest... Such an efficient machine ...
Why does she need my vote?
I mean when my very own Union calls me to poll my opinion and asked me the top 3 candidates I would vote for-- I named Kucinich (A UNION MEMBER!)... Then Edwards... then I really could not decide a third... the Caller starts to say.. "Hillllaarrry??"
Which outraged me to no end... and I let her know... and she quickly understood and apologized for trying to FEED me a canned answer... What bothered me most about that is not when I opened up my Union newsletter 2 months later and the sleeving spineless leaders announced that they are backing Hillary... It is when they talked about their poll .. and I thought about how many people they called other then me.. who would of heard the pollsters feed them Hillary.. and the people they are feeding said .. yeah.. on name recognition alone.
Hillary does need my vote.. as she is a corporate hot air ballon... She needs my vote very badly...
She does... but she will not get it...
I am not holding my nose.. I am not strapping on a barf bag.. I am simply not voting against my principals in 2008... as I have stated many times.. Kerry was the last time I gave out a freebie... the last.
I have a feeling in my feet that I am no where near alone...
Just as I can say... When watching that festering pustule in the Video.. I know I was not alone in hoping and imagining for a split second that when that other guy reached into his jacket... he was going to pull out a .44 mag...
You can say I am a dreamer.
Did the (traitor IMHO) actually say, "don't touch me, don't touch me"? Yuk, quick, go you wash your hands, Rep. Van Hollen. You don't want to bring that contamination home with you.
1. "Karl Rove Blames Tom Daschle For 2002 Iraq Resolution:
- A dodge from (a) Pressure of GOP on the Congress to assent to a quick resolution; and (b) whether or not the Congress quickly acted with that bungled plan;
- Changes focus from the hasty planning to whether the laws were or were not something.
2. Rove can assert all he wants. What's the plan to put the attention on the President? Impeachment would do that. It's one thing to have a frivolous distraction; quiet another to do nothing about it, but whine that "nothing is being done."
3. Rove's credibility problem. Oh, and why are we listening to someone who's alleged to be complicit with illegal activity -- Plame's outing, US Atty firings for partisan purposes?
djtyg @ 31:
oh, SCHEMING....I always thot it was STEAMING.
Thanks!
I wonder what Tom Daschle will come back with.
I say keep it to a simple ROFLMAO or whatever.
More GOP Propaganda. This is silly, who "wants" war? Nobody "wants" dead people.
Dirty Hippie Blogger @ 87:
No, the DNC pushed for an authorization for force. The public was led to believe that there was real diplomacy. Stop changing history. This President wasn't serious about peace or diplomacy: IT was an authorization to use force, as a last resort. It wasn't the DNC saying, "We want to rush to war."
I'll bet none of the republican candidates, and all of the democratic candidates, want Rove to come speak at their campaign rallies.
He'd break up the boring dullness of the campaign, provide comic relief, and prove what despicable lying idiots the current administration consists of.
Preacher Boob @ 28:
You've hit the nail on the head. Rover's days are limited. His influence is waining. He is nothing more than another Republican repeat, like Gingrich and Delay and Santorum... no new faces and no new ideas coming from the party of torture, death and deficits. Republicans, the party of repeats and repeat after me. BORING people. No wonder they have to pay for sex.
Karl Rove didn't explain himself very well-it really did happen exactly the way Karl said it did-
Tom Daschle IS responsible for 2002 Iraq Resolution In an Alternate Universe! and in that Alternate Universe Rove spells his first name different-"Carl".
Karl Rove is a joke. He needs to do the country a favor and jump into a deep lake. Rove's head has always reminded me of a well basted butterball turkey...anyway...rid this country of neocons...eat more bacon.
They anthraxed Daschle [and Leahy] and got away with it. Could the Lindburgh baby be buried under his SD home? He was Senate Majority leader in 2001...they cc'd him on that PDB and he sat on his bony white ass and DID NOTHING, too! I have a copy right here, see?? "cc: Tom Daschle". This is going in the George W. Bush presidential library and titty bar.
larkztongue @ 104:
and he has a goatee!
To sum up: George Soros (a.k.a. Dr. Evil) ordered a war on Iraq, and everyone was helpless to stop it. Everyone knows, once his minions have sprung into action, ther'es no stopping them. (Ask BillO.)
Rove is just another Enron style "smartest guys in the room" fraud. We are in the mess we are in because the stupidest people in the room are running the country. That does not speak well for the rest of us, but I could walk one-hundred feet in any direction at any suburban mall and bump into ten people smarter than the Pillsbury Dough Demon.
let's hope that the MSM and an outspoken few will help build the accurate bush legacy and not allow the rove version of buch's legacy to take root.
but beware because all rove knows is that is you repeat a lie often enough and with conviction it will eventually appear to be truth.
So Rove was hired as a "journalist" (for Newsweek) when he is so intent on partisan spin that he can't even get reality straight?
What the hell did Newsweek think it was doing? They are becoming a laughingstock.
In late Spring/early Summer, the MSM was parading Newt Gingrich as being a viable presidential candidate for the GOP and than Delay was given some MSM time and now the Phildelphia Inquirer newspaper is giving Ricky Santorum some column space once/month and now we got the Liar-in-Chief, Karl Rove, getting some MSM time. Interesting, we don't hear from Gingrich and Delay anymore and Ricky's Inquirer column is torn to pieces each month by Phillynews.com. BTW, Ricky's been trying to re-write his history,too. Ricky must be a Karl Rove follower. Rove's media presence will become diminished and the next time Rove becomes a big media topic will be when he is marched into the Senate in handcuffs for contempt of Congress.
McDuff @ 65:
The one thing that gives me hope is talking to kids today (17-25). Most of them loathe George Bush, and they can't stand the religious right, or the republican party either.
They don't hate gays, are much more accepting of minorities and inter-racial marriage, and think government should be used to help people. They also think that the super-rich should pay more in taxes .
When they start voting in 2012 & 2016, it could really be slim pickens for the repukes and their travelling side-show of hatred, bigotry and intolerance.
Different generation, different perspectives.
Different Anonymous @ 93:
It is a well-documented fact around DC that Herr Karl "Himmler" Rove freaks out if ANYONE touches him, male or female.
It is an inconvenient fact that Daschel did push through the enabling resolution.
He should have insisted on extensive hearings - public hearings.
Everybody with any brains knew what Bush was up to - avenging Daddy Bush - and Daschel not only
didn't try to prevent it, he participated in the frenzy.
To hell with all of them.
rove came well prepared, with papers and quotes, to attack the Democrats. He knew before he came on Fox News that he was going on the attack and had it all laid out. And Wallace acted like he didn't know what was going on!!
Interesting quagmire Rove finds himself in, his tenure at Newsweek could (should) be short lived.
Karl, if you read this, hear me. I will piss on your grave for what you have done to America.
Karl Rove is like Michael Jackson. He had some hits a few years back but then he got caught doing something really disgusting. However, he keeps trying his old style because he thinks he's going to strike it big again. His audience, however, is now wondering why the fuck they every liked him in the first place.
Ok. Is that stretching?
This is an odd move by Rove, and seems to be more about reflexive BS peddling to deflect blame in the moment more than anything else. Nowadays, the GOP line is that Iraq is going great! Why wouldn't Rove and Bush want to take full credit for it? He also really seems to think no one has any memory or sense of objective reality.
Kitty Militia @ 105:
No good, grease always rises to the top.
What an impotent, dishonest rat bastard. Does he know nobody takes MC Rove remotely seriously anymore? Can he imagine such a scenario?
And to address an earlier comment - the 24 percenters will never, ever see the light. They're simply too far gone, and they're going to continue to be a real problem for this country. I fully expect them to turn to the same sort of terrorism they get all high and mighty about presently. That's what religious fanatics inevitably do.
anon @ 32:
When asked if they will vote Democrat or Republican regardless of canditate, Americans saythat they will vote Democratic.
When asked about individual candidates, Americans don't pick Democrats.
Is this a case of bad news for Democrats because individual candidates don't win in a person to person match-up?
Or is this a case of bad news for Republicans because without even knowing the candidates involved, Americans don't want another Republican in office?
Spin baby spin!
Mr Rove there is an old Washington saying - better to keep mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt of stupidity.
I usually never leave a comment here when I'm this far down on the list, but this time, I have to make an exception.
Karl Rove's attempts to rewrite the facts are disgusting. He is taking quotes from Democrats out of context and trotting them out one after another, in a scenario in which his co-discussors cannot possibly respond. I hope his book completely flops. And I KNOW he will go down in history for what he is: a disgrace to American politics.
You could assemble the top 100 human resource recruiters, task them with staffing an administration of the 100 most despicable collection of motherless turds in America, and they would completely fall short of competing with the current lot.
The Surge is working???? How??? by the way since the "success of Iraq surge". I read that there are big bomb explosions everyday since then and most victims are American soldiers and innocent Iraqis. Wow what a pathetic way to motivate people to add a dollar and a book in Dubya's library legacy. The republican really had abused the American people's intelligent. they still do and they walking all over them like the Americans are their doormats. good job American are not Americans unless they are a repuklean doormats
Rove knows that if he keeps saying these things, there is a certain percentage of the american public which will take it to be the truth........he's an ugly speciman, that one....keep throwing crap at the wall and see how much sticks......
There are already plenty of turd supporters in Oklahoma repeating Turd Blossom's propaganda. All it takes is for that sack of shit to say it... and its from God's lips to their idiot ears.
I'm also with "truthhurtz." Can someone get the media to explain how "The Surge" is working besides the relative peace that exists on a certain time of day, on a certain day of the week? I would say "The Surge" was a success if it achieved its stated goal and that was to ensure political reconciliation SO WE COULD GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE! Achieving relative peace in order for us to stay ETERNALLY in Iraq is no "definition of victory." Remember, folks, this was supposed to be "a cake walk" and make Karl Rove and Bush folk heroes to the world... Uh, that hasn't happened. THOUSANDS OF DEATH, INJURY AND $1.9 TRILLION DOLLARS HERE WE ARE! SUCCESS!
Who has forced the drunken, AWOL, frat boy to keep our troops in his clusterfuck for the past five years?
"Karl's not a liar, he's a man of honor"-Newsweek
Did you notice his pants smoking? Hey, KKKarl, stop lying your pants are already on fire! Why is a man guilty of treason for outing a CIA operative on TV anyway? He should be in jail with the rest of the republicans. Any station that has Turd Blossum on should not have their license renewed.
(See how Turd gained all the weight back he lost when he thought he was going down for lying to the grand jury? Right, he was on a diet but he couldn't stay on it after he knew he was home free) Traitor to America is what he is.
Karl Rove is what he is, but who do we have to blame for the fact that he CAN pull Democratic quotes out of the air to defend his case?
Oh, right, well, we had to support it before we opposed it before we supported it...
Let this be a lesson to you all: call a villain a villain to his face at the soonest opportunity and never, never, never give the devil an inch.
Never, you bastards.
Carl Rove is alluding to what was really part of the plan -- that the White House was hoping the Senate Dems would filibuster the Iraq resolution before the elections instead of voting on it. Then the noise machine would have been able to raise hell and make an election issue out of it.
rudedude @ 133:
So, in a twisted sort of way, Carl Rove is telling a truth (from his perspective) because he'd have been happy to see the Iraq resolution NOT come to a vote so soon -- and beat up the Dems because of it.
Rove is in extasy when its up his ass... He has no idea what he's talking about unless DICK CHENEY is up...
Is that why Bush/Rove/Cheney sent Daschle an anthrax letter.....to get Daschle to tone down the war rhetoric?
Piss on Karl Rove!
Karl Rove is blaming Betsy Ross for those 'flag-desecrating' 'traitors' who are wearing American flag shorts while pissing in his shoes every time he appears in public.
Personally, I think we should enlist legions in the 'Piss on Karl Rove' brigades.
Whys isn't this shithead in jail?
(per floaks comment):
"I loved watching Van Hollen touch Rove’s arm numerous times and Rove’s jumbled complaint the first time."
After the interview, Van Hollen was rushed to the emergency room to have his hand disinfected.
No, the DNC pushed for an authorization for force. The public was led to believe that there was real diplomacy. Stop changing history. This President wasn't serious about peace or diplomacy: IT was an authorization to use force, as a last resort. It wasn't the DNC saying, "We want to rush to war."
Impeach Bush WTF? You state that the DNS pushed the Iraq resolution and that it is I who is rewriting history?
Duh! My point is that Democrats did push for war to which your DNC remark confers. Remember, Kerry was "for the war before I (he) was against it".
Here it is in a nutshell... THE DEMOCRATS FULLY SUPPORTED THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION... see Hillary Clinton's voting record for example... AN ILLEGAL WAR IN WHICH 3, 881 OF OUR CHILDREN ARE NOW DEAD.
I'll repeat AN ILLEGAL WAR to which the Democrats are fully complicit therefore, Democrats are war criminals just like GWB & gang.
Get over the angst about being a Democrat trying vainly to wash the blood from your hands of our Kids & the Iraqi people in a war that your party equally caused with Republicans.
I am sick & tired of apologists for the Democrat Party here at C&L.
Why do I feel that the most extreme male members (no pun intended) of the Neo-con party were discovered at a young and tender age wearing their mother's clothes? Why do I suspect once their religious parents were made aware of the fact that their son's were homos, that from that point were beaten down, repressed, and made into true closeted hateful homos? Look at them, self loathing gay men, stuck forever in a stone closet with no door, but with all the hate in the world towards those who live there lives without fear. Truly a sad day when these tortured children become the leaders of our country. Sad for us all.
TURD blossom is such a perfect name for him.
This would be the same Tom Daschle who lost his seat and the Democratic majority in 2002?
Lying ass fat bastard.
The DEMS., has to, at every time that they are on CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA TV or RADIO bring TURDBLOSSEMS lying up an call him a LIER or TURDBLOSSEM lie will start to stick. And he and the CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA know this, remember tell a lie over and over after a while PEOPLE will believe the LIE.
wallace is a tool who learned nothing from his esteemed father
why are we going over 02????
cuz that fat sack of shit sitting across from you is putting out a book full of lies, you ahole...and he repeated some of those lies on the rose show
and when confronted with the lies...he lied again
Didn't anyone think that Karl really overacted about being touched on the arm by Kris? I thought that he was going to call the police about assault. Next, Rove will claim that he was Larry Craiged. Rove is a very scary and evil man. If I were he, I wouldn't be looking forward to the afterlife. Chris Wallace is a total shill and couldn't handle this debacle of an interview.
cleo @ 148:
He prefers Jim/Jeff Gannon/Guckert, aka "Hot Military Stud", to "touch" him...
This just a total distraction and with this group it is probably planned. So you have to ask yourself, what is Bushco about to do, or doing that they want to swamp in the media by having Rove putting forth this blatant lie which now has everyone's attention?
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