Bobby Wise Endorses Barack Obama
As we near the primary season, C&L has been receiving outreach from various presidential campaigns to invite potential voters to get to better know their candidates. We have decided that we will feature these outreaches for our readers, but they do not imply a specific endorsement of any candidate. Our first video outreach comes from Bobby Wise, Veterans' Outreach Coordinator for Obama'08, on behalf of Barack Obama.
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Military in my family is the family business. My dad served two tours in Vietnam, my mother's brother was in 101st in Vietnam, another uncle on my mother's side was in the Chilean army...going back generations, the military is just a given -- it's carrying on the family legacy.
It's a sense of patriotism. And it's definitely an easy way to pay for college.
I signed up right out of high school: September 13, 2000. And I was there for the invasion in Spring of 2003. March 19, 2003 -- the first day we had ballistic missiles come in. Welcome to the war buddy. When we invaded Iraq, the Bush administration had this notion that we were going to make Iraq look like us. Now, we¹re stuck in a no-win situation.
I served two tours in Iraq, both for a year. My old battalion deployed this past Spring and about a third from my old unit are still active and out there. Every day you see another plume of black car smoke. The same kind of bomb you saw the other day. And its just going to keep happening.
What it comes down to is this: there is a certain method of leadership which will accomplish a mission. It starts with defining the mission, having a clear head, having goals, and having a system to work your way up to it. It also means being able to get everyone you¹re leading in on the mission, not just 51% of them. I believe Barack Obama can do that, he¹s proven his ability to communicate honestly, to study a subject, and get the right people around him to help him form a consensus.
I first got into Barack in '04 when he was running for Senate. I was down in Tennessee in between deployments to Iraq. I noticed he did this crazy thing in politics that I'd never seen before. Someone asked him a question and he answered it.
I appreciated his candor, his ability to communicate, and his sense of dedication. And he is the first politician in my lifetime who I've seen demonstrate all of those traits.
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I served in Viet Nam.
Why should I support Obama?
I want a president who loves the United States as expressed in the Constitution.
Obama wants to get elected.
So what?
"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf."
-Barack Obama
March 31, 2006
whoops I posted an untruth
Obama apparently leads Paul
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542&page=1
"GW shrieked like a little schoolgirl"
http://www.vicepresidents.com/nodo/453
This is hilarious.
VietVet8666 @ 2:
You failed to make a point. Explain why Obama doesn't love this country as "expressed by the constitution" and why you think others do and are not just saying things to get elected. As we've seen from the neocons, none of them other than McCain served their country. Come to think of it, most of the neocons ran from combat so it's fair to say that they don't love their country. We can go from there.
Greg at 6
You're right. I didn't make much of a point.
But, FWIW, I think Obama is a politician whose chief goal is not to make the U.S. a better place but to get elected.
Greg @ 6:
You're asking way too much! lol
It seems that this veteran may have been taken in by Obama's charisma and oratory. I submit, however, that the devil is in the details. Obama does not advocate the immediate withdrawal of troops, as Kucinich does, from that abattoir in Iraq. Obama does not back Kucinich's proposal to impeach Cheney. Obama does not rule out bombing and killing innocent Iranians. Obama, despite what he may claim, is not in favor of universal health care, since his plan, like H. Clinton's, would keep the insurance companies [which means profit] in the equation. It remains to be seen if the average American voter will look beyond the superficial when choosing a candidate in 2008.
Greg @ 6:
He didn't say Obama DOESN'T love the country as expressed by the constitution. He said he wanted reasons, other than the evidently obvious one that Obama wants to get elected (as anyone who is running)
Anthology @ 3:
"no option can be taken off the table when dealing with that nation."
Hillary Clinton on Iran
January 2007
Never apologized for her vote on the Iraq War or Iran's Revolutionary Guard.
I'll take a misjudgement of a friend over a war hawk.
Military in my family is the family business. My dad served two tours in Vietnam, my mother’s brother was in 101st in Vietnam, another uncle on my mother’s side was in the Chilean army…going back generations, the military is just a given — it’s carrying on the family legacy.
awwwww....a generational killing spree for fascist american hegemony....how sweet.
Bertrand Russell @ 10:
Actually, he did say Obama..twice.
Erroll @ 9:
HA HA HA HA HA!!! *takes deep breath**wipes away tears*
This is America we're talking about. We already know the debate will wind up being "Hillary" vs "Giuliani." It's a decree of the right wing, of the president, and the decree will take its rightful form as a self-fulfilling prophecy as the media follows in suit by reporting the debate as destined to pan out in such a way.
"I believe Barack Obama can do that, he¹s proven his ability to communicate honestly,"
What?
I guess we've been watching and listening to two different Barak's then. The one I hear makes shit up like "Social Security crisis", "%6 of Americans make over $100K/year" (it's actually %19), and takes his lead on same-sex marriage from his "Lord". Let's not even mention the belittling he does of Kucinich any chance he can get.
Uggh!
Why does *any* progressive support this douche?
rasta @ 12:
That's exactly what I think everytime I hear another military vet talk like they somehow know better than those of us who'd never wear a uniform to fight and die for a bunch of corporate megalomaniacs.
VietVet8666 @ 7:
That can be said of any politician. But why do you think that of Obama? Why do think he doesn't want to help this country? Maybe he's does. What does he have to say that will make you think he's an honest (lol) politician or what did he say that made you think he isn't?
Brian @ 16:
'VietVet866@#2"
Have you read the Constitution, The US Bill of Rights ,Subsequent Amendments to the US Const. , the Fedrealist Papers . the British Bill of Rights( 1689) ,the Magna Carta. You only have to read some of the Fedealist Papers . After you have read these documents come back and comment.
Greg @ 11:
Obama didn't even show up for the vote. And his spin on how he would've voted for the AUMF if he were in congress, to me screams of a giant pile of steaming poop.
He certainly loves talking his talk tho. Damn shame he's never interested in walking the walk.
Erroll @ 9:
Amen. Obama is incrementally better than Hillary. Edwards is incrementally better than Obama. Kucinich is MILES ahead of them all.
Obama is my Senator. I wrote him a year or so ago after the Military Commissions Act was passed. In a speech he stated that only foreigners could be named "Enemy Combatants". I sent him links to two articles from Constitutional Scholars disputing this point. Its common knowledge now that the MCA allows the President to name American Citizens as "Enemy Combatants" and rendition us to foreign lands to be tortured indefinitely. I received no reply from anyone at his office. Nor did I ever hear him admit to his error. And this is the best legal mind at Harvard?
Yeah, well I'm a vet and come from a military family with all the bonafides, too. I can't get behind Obamma - specifically because he is too hawkish for me to trust. I don't like his stance on Iraq, I don't trust him on Iran.
Greg @ 18:
Well, if he stopped lying, that would help.
His strong support of hedge funds have definitely hurt this country, well, unless you're a Wall Street hedge manager.
SCHRODINGER'S CAT @ 20:
I'm curious what you mean.
Just curious.
I understand Schroedinger's cat. Like really well.
So lay it on me.
SCHRODINGER'S CAT @ 20:
So, you have to have read all of the above to hold a valid argument against Obama?
Or maybe you mean only Real Americans™ have read these?
I don't get it.
Greg,
Any time you want proof I served in Viet Nam, just let me know.
Volum @ 21:
Obviously you have a serious hard on against Obama. But it doesn't take any qualifications to judge, condemn and be opinionated. Critics like you are a dime a dozen.
So who do you support for President?
"I appreciated his candor, his ability to communicate, and his sense of dedication. And he is the first politician in my lifetime who I’ve seen demonstrate all of those traits."
Bobby I completely agree with you and I am probably the most cynical person in the world when it comes to nearly all politicians. I've watched some Obama interviews very carefully, and I've come away convinced that he's a real person. That doesn't mean I think he's some sort of higher being, it just means I think he has his head screwed on straight. Anyone running for President is a meglomaniac, but somehow Obama has escaped this psychological curse of the ambitious. So in a way, I'm not really concerned about Obama's position papers, platform's etc. And let's face it, all campaign rhetoric and promises fly out the window once a President is sworn into office.
I've mentioned this several times here, but it's worth repeating - don't underestimate how important Obama's global popularity will be as President. I live outside the U.S., travel all around, and having George Bush as the first mental association to our country for a foreigner is a killer. It's outright embarassing. I'm drinking the kool aid a bit, but I have a hunch that Obama would be popular around the world on the scale of a pope john paul or a mother teresa. Sounds silly at first, but think about it a bit. He breaks the mold of what a world leader usually is. People would look up to the United States again. Now, tell me how Hillary Clinton or John Edwards generates this same level of global excitement. In our position as the world's debtor and a wounded dollar, our increase respect around the world will help maintain our standard of living. These things are more connected than you think.
To the Obama supporters...
Bush has lied us into war in Iraq. He's spied on your without a warrant. He's tortured your fellow Americans. He's polluted Iraq with toxic Depleted Uranium. He's outed a CIA undercover agent.
Yet Barack Obama has NEVER even SPOKEN in favor of Impeachment!
So when, and under what circumstance, would Barack Obama be prepared to defend the Constitution?
i fought in the korean war , my older brother fought in korea four of my first cousins fought in korea i had three of my uncles fighting in ww2 my father fought in ww1 my people have fought the french in the french and indian wars and every war sence, and ill pick kucinich and screw two power hungry corpoate whores like hillery and obama!
tyree @ 31:
Tyree,
FWIW, I respect your service. This from a vet.
Volum @ 15:
Because you have to be rational. because 90% of a the population thinks Kucinich is nuts. Not me, but you can't change everyone. Just like the General election the media picks the candidates by what they report/show. Kucinch is portrayed as some weird guy, just like Paul. Probably the only two people decent enough to run this country. But we have been told that the only people running are Clinton, Obama, Romney and Guliani...and just recently The Huckster. How many people do you think from either party can name all candidates? Some day the two party system may fall, not in our lifetime though. But Kucinich could get more votes if he ran a third as a third party.
bmw 528 @ 28:
None of the above.
I don't have a "hard on" (classy words, pal) against anyone. But I do get intensely offended when being lied to, especially under the guise of someone "bringing change" to politics.
Obama is no better than the rest. And a lot of us are tired of this guy being slammed in our face like the second coming of JH Christ.
don't hate me @ 30:
Unless you have the ability to follow through with your threat, then impeachment is a waste of time. Get real. They don't have the votes to convict. Best to concentrate on more meaningful things until they have the votes, if ever.
VietVet8666 @ 27:
When did I question your service? Give me a second and I'll go back and read my post to make sure all that pot I'm smoking is screwing with my memory.
Guess what? Bobby Wise is right. He's an American veteran of the Iraq War, who knows that Barack Obama was right to oppose that War. He learned that awful message through experience.
Even though I'm now too old to fight, I knew this war was wrong from the beginning. Why do you deploy 300,000 soldiers to the borders of Iraq in the fall of 2002, if you don't intend to attack in 2003? It makes no sense, other than war. Bush and Co. were lying from the git-go -- they were determined to attack Saddam, whether or not he had any connection to 9/11 (which he didn't). The lying, war-mongering folks that we have to contend with are not Saddam and his cohorts, they are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld.These people are the true war criminals.
Greg @ 33:
I generally conflate "progressives" with those who know their stuff. And what surprises me most about the Obama and Paul supporters, are how so many progressives will gladly forget about the little things that otherwise are insanely important to the cause; hedge funds, roe v. wade, MCA, PATRIOT ACT, same-sex marriage, etc. And blindly support- oh not just support, but scream like it's the Beatles first performance in the US - someone who is the exact opposite of so many of their beliefs.
Again, not talking about Average Joe. I'm talking about those of us news-fiends who should really know better.
Volum @ 34:
So Nobody for President, huh? Just easier to be a critic and condemn others instead of doing something redemptive to change the world---chronic complainers like you add to the problem, not the solution.
And if you have any credible evidence that Obama "lied," bring it on.
VietVet8666 @ 32:
same to yah viet vet
radlib1 @ 37:
If Barack opposed the war, why did he vote to fund it every time Bush asked him to?
Why did he vote in favor of the MCA?
Why did he vote in favor of the PATRIOT ACT?
So far, Barack's entire platform is all guesswork and hope. The legacy he has left thus far, has been pretty much exactly opposite of what comes out of his mouth at campaign rally's.
Greg @ 36:
Greg,
I don't mind your pot-smoking. I was in college during the 1960s.
I served in Vietnam from 9-14-01 to 9-15-02. Want me to give some specific pictures via words? Let me know.
bmw 528 @ 35:
You couldn't be more wrong. Most of the public is TOTALLY IGNORANT of the case against this administration. The public has no clue that there are mountains of EVIDENCE. Talk to your non-political friends and ask them about the Downing St. Memos and you'll get blank stares. I could prosecute this case and win and I'm not a lawyer. Once the public saw the EVIDENCE they'd get behind impeachment passionately. If their Republican Reps. refused to vote for impeachment their constituents would vote them out of office and the Republican party would be dead for twenty years. Defending the Constitution is essential for the survival of the nation. Period. We won't last much longer if these crimes are ignored.
bmw 528 @ 39:
Sorry man, but I do remember that we also have a right to NOT vote if we want to. And that makes those of us who refrain, no different from those who do not. And I'm not sure where you think voting for yet another corporate shill will somehow change anything. Seriously. It'd be nice to not lower yourself to name calling at this point, and I can feel this "Real American" rhetoric creeping in.
Besides, while I don't support any of the candidates, I will definitely vote in both the primaries and the general. Ron Paul in the primary (to tip the GOP scale) and whoever (D) gets the nod for the general.
Barack lie #1:
"only %6 of the US population makes over $100k/year"
That figure is actually closer to %19.
This was used as an attack against HRC during the last debate when she called for cutting tax-rates for those making around the $100k/mark. He called those of us who do make more than $100k "upper class", which is complete bullshit and shows that he has no clue about the life of the common citizen in this country. I also end up paying close to %40 in taxes.
Upper Class my ass.
Barak Obamas wife Michelle, is a member of the CFR in Chicago.
and thats not such a good thing. (in my opinion)
WTF???
This guy works for Obama...Shouldn't you say that more clearly?...Up front?
"Vet Endorses Barrack Obama"???
No, Nicole...it should read "Video from the Obama Campaign...Featuring his Deputy of Operations who happens to be a Vet."
Come on now. Don't play those transparent games.
don't hate me @ 43:
I want these bastards out too and don't doubt that there is enough evidence. However, all the good intentions in the world without the ability to deliver the intended result are a waste of time. This reality sucks, but it is reality.
VietVet8666 @ 42:
Wait, you accused me of questioning your service. You want to discuss, fine. Don't be accusing me of shit I never said. ? You're being a real lying prick trying to start shit. I apologize to C&L but he's whacked.
Johnny2Bad @ 46:
Woah!!
This, I would expect from the HuffPo, but not at C&L.
That's pretty pathetic. This headline should so definitely be changed immediately. It's one thing for the GOP to lie like this, but for progressives to knowingly deceive other progressives is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.
Volum @ 44:
Have evidence to back up any of that? Go cop an attitude somewhere else. In the meantime, do something redemptive and check out the real facts instead of being a political bombthrower:
www.barackobama.com/issues/
Erroll @ 9:
Anthology @ 3:
THIS is precisely why I will not vote for Obama in the primaries.
He's got some great GAME. He sounds great, looks great - but what is his plan? Republican-lite?
Notice how everyone admires his eloquence, but what have they got to say about his PLAN TO TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND?
He doesn't have one except keep his distant cousin still in the game. That distant cousin being Darth Cheney.
NO THANKS.
bmw 528 @ 50:
Dude, these were his words from the last Dem debate. I'm not your personal YouTube and Google researcher. If you don't believe me, that's fine, don't.
And thanks, but I know how to find Barack's website.
"Real facts".. hahaha. Yeah, uhh.. ok.
How's that PATRIOT ACT working out for ya? Isn't that a "real fact" that he voted for it? Isn't it a "real fact" he voted for the MCA? Isn't it a "real fact" he voted to fund this war at every chance?
I don't need to read their PR to know the "real facts". That's why we have C-SPAN, the congressional record, and an entire internet crammed with news sources.
Volum @ 52:
So in other words you have all the time in the world to be opinionated and biased but no time to offer proof? Who are you, Lou Dobbs? Nice try pal, but that doesn't cut it. Don't have time to check out the real facts? Do us a favor and move on. People like you are worse than than the problem.
bmw 528 @ 53:
Oh God, "bmw", you don't get "real facts" (whatever the f*ck those are) from anyone's website.
And BTW, You're not the boss of anybody here.
Calm down and stop trying to push people around.
Johnny2Bad @ 46:
Nicole changed the headline...and didnt thank you.
An important clarification:
He did not. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/ Search for:Vote 259: S 3930: S. 3930 As Amended; Military Commissions Act of 2006. Sen. Obama voted "no," and spoke very strongly against it.
milquetoast @ 55:
Alas, I'll continue to struggle on in obscurity.
Johnny2Bad @ 54:
So where are the real "facts" at then? And BTW, it's a free country pal, if I need your advice I'll ask you.
Johnny2Bad @ 46:
No, you're absolutely right, Johnny. John Amato is really ill with a viral infection and sent the video to me to post so that he would stay resting. Unfortunately, the email I received did not make it clear what Mr. Wise's relationship was to the Obama campaign. I made a couple of inquiries and cleared it up and have amended the post.
Volum @ 44:
Obama has thousands of hours of publically available video tape and thats the best "lie" you can come up with? Surely you can find something juicier than that. Incidently, income is not a cut-and-dry statistic. If you were referring to payroll income that takes out FICA taxes up to the 90K point or so, you come up with a much different income stat than you would when other sources of income (capital gains, inheritances, etc.) are considered. There's lies and then there's damn statistics.
Senator Obama is a champion for Veterans!
Obama Sponsors Bill to stop Veteran Homelessness:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071109-obama_introduce_21/
Senator Obama is also ENDORSED BY THE ONLY IRAQ WAR
VETERAN IN CONGRESS: U.S. Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-PA)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/iraq-vetcongressman-endors...
Interview about Iraq war Nov '02 (Listen to the
problems he forsees):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8&mode=related&search=
Official Campaign positions on Veterans issues:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/veterans/
...Iraq War:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Obama: Troops should not get unexpected tour extensions Lengthened deployments shortchange the country,
Democratic senator says
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NEWS...
Defense issues (from his Senate site):
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/defense/
bmw 528 @ 58:
Hey, "Pal"..Read the "Commenting Policy".
Specifically this: "Name-calling, personal attacks, racist comments or use of profanity by any commenter, whether they are by persons who agree or disagree with the views expressed by C&L will not be tolerated and will result in the deletion of the comment and the banning of the commenter’s ISP address, without notice."
Then come back and apologize to everyone. Nicely.
bmw 528 @ 53:
Sheeesh!
Where does this kind of animosity come from? I've never understood this penchant for people feeling so free to judge and smear those of us in the same hemisphere of thinking. One would be led to believe we are from opposing political parties.
"The Problem"
What on earth is that you ask? Here's The Problem™; we're stuck in a frightening, bloody, endless-cycle-of-violence, quagmire, that only shows signs of getting worse by the month, and possibly fucking up the planet for the next two generations, and politicians in both parties are by no means in favor of getting us out.
This includes Barack Obama, (and most others) who has funded the war at every request, and doesn't support getting "da troops" out until 2013.
No amount of political rallies, press releases on websites, and empty rhetoric can change that.
Nicole Belle @ 59:
You know I love your show...thanks for being a stand up Gal...I knew you were.
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unfrozencaveman @ 60:
It wasn't the best, just the first that came to mind. Mostly because it was recent, and really pissed me off, and many people that I know.
It was a lie because he knew the real figure of payroll income, yet used a much lower number to attack his opponent, knowing the vast majority of the US wouldn't know the real percentage. If it wasn't a lie, then he's just stupid. Not just stupid, but so stupid that he would make up a number, and noone would factcheck him.
I like Obama. I hope this endorsement offsets all the negative feelings he got from men all over the nation when we heard that Oprah endorsed him the other day.
No kidding, I know many men (myself included) that absolutely hate anything that Oprah favors or endorses, simply because it is coming from HER. All those tut-tutting sheeple in her audience just turn our collective cave man stomachs, and even though we KNOW deep in our dark little hearts that Oprah is actually doing some good somewhere, we still detest her and all she stands for...mostly because our wives sit with hanky to eye every day watching her and DEMANDING we come and take a look too... because if we watch, "Then we'll understand". FEH on Oprah! Good for Obama, though.
milquetoast @ 65:
Look, in her defense...if you read the post she sez there will be more. One from every candidate.
Patience.
S.G.E.W. @ 56:
I stand corrected, and thank SGEW for the clarification.
Good to see free speech is alive and well in the Home Land. This is why my Marines fight; to protect our country and the rights of it's citizenry. On the subject of leadership from the Commander in Chief, I can tell you that having recently retired from the Corps that the leadership we have in the Oval Office right now is indeed the very worst I've had the opportunity to witness and serve under in my life time. I respect the opinions...no I've fought for the opinions of those that have nothing but disdain for our troops and to them I say, fair winds and following seas. After examining all of the credentials of the candidates running for president I find that the only one that rises to the level of competence to earn my vote is Senator Barack Hussein Obama, D-Ill. Although pundits, beaurocrats, and legitimate adversaries would find fault in the fact that he hasn't wallowed in the corruption that is Washington, D.C. long enough, I feel that this very fact makes him uniquely appealing to me. Because of the vision and courage he has displayed throughout his life and political career in aspiring to help others and his willingness to stand against an ill conceived war when it was not popular to do so, I'm proud to stand up for you Senator Obama as our next president. I'm looking forward to your leadership Senator.
Semper Fi!
Volum @ 41:
huh? i think the Patriot Act's passage predates Obama's arrival in the US Congress by 3 years.
Gee whiz, Imagine that... Bobby Wise, Iraq veteran, and now Obama campain coordinator,...actually endorses......drum roll..........his employer.
hooray.
Why dont you just say hi my name is Nicole Bell and I'm voting for Barak Obama.
Nicole: Why don't you say you don't know how to read? 1) My last name is Belle. It's even written above, for easy copying. 2) I said very clearly that the video came from the campaign. 3) I said also clearly that this did not imply any endorsement. 4) As soon as it was clarified for me Bobby Wise's relationship to Obama's campaign, I amended the post. The email I got from John Amato did not make clear the role Wise plays in his campaign. 5) I also said that this is the first campaign video we'd feature between now and primary season.
Sometimes, milquetoast, a cigar is just a cigar and people try too hard to assume malevolence when there is none.
I won't hold my breath for your correction
Volum @ 63:
Just another repeat of your previous comments in a different way. Your 'solution" is to unfairly degrade and blame others like Obama by confusing your opinion with fact and cherry picking facts that support your bias. When called to submit proof---you don't have time. Professional cynics like you have never changed anything foir the better because you waste your time slamming others and telling people what you are against instead of what you are for.
Assassin @ 71:
You are correct. The Patriot Act was passed in October, 2001. Obama was elected in 2004.
The Gunny @ 70:
First of all, thanks for your service. (Both my late father and late brother were Marines so I got in my blood.) But...
You say..."After examining all of the credentials of the candidates running for president I find that the only one that rises to the level of competence to earn my vote is Senator Barack Hussein Obama, D-Ill."
Really?
Ok, Style?...Yes. Charisma?...Oh yeah. But the best "competency credentials"?
Sorry, Gunny. I just don't see it.
VietVet8666 @ 2:
My dad and uncle served in Vietnam.
Everyone who has ever run for office including H.S. class president wants to get elected. So what?
Remember Obama was President of the Harvard Review and taught Constitutional Law. I think he knows a thing or two about the Constitution.
Anthology @ 3:
Whoa! Here I was already to hammer the 'Cult of Obama' as is my wont and ya frikin' beat me too it!
What a great, great quote!
bmw 528 @ 74:
Ok, but he voted for the "compromise re-authorization" ( S.2271) real good.
(How's that for research bmw?)
bmw 528 @ 74:
Nice try pal. Senator 'Hope' voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act in 2005.
Johnny2Bad @ 78:
Volum @ 66:
Obama ain't dumb. He's a liar when it suits him.
A.Citizen @ 80:
Nice work. Pat yourself on the back for your outstanding achievement.
WHOOPS!
Johnny2Bad @ 78:
Real, real, real good!
bmw 528 @ 82:
Wow. Good come back.
Johnny2Bad @ 84:
Thanks for noticing.
A.Citizen @ 83:
By the way, the vote was 95-4 with Byrd, Harkin, Jeffords and Fiengold the only ones with the balls (or ovaries) to stand up and fight the good fight.
Obama rolled over. What courage!
VietVet8666 @ 7:
Obama does love his country . . . the real question is . . . .can he make love to his country?
People have been lied to by obama. He brags about being against the war from the beginning, how convinient. when he got to the senate he was asked if he would have voted for it he said he didn't know because he "was not privy of the intelligence". What a cop out, maybe it was that there wasn't that much anti-war sentiment. finally when he got to the senate he voted the same as hillary on every issue concerning the war. I don't think he will do anything to bring the troops home especially because he is so willing to work with the repugs. And who cares if she did' apologize for her vote like edwards did, the damage was already done. Can you imagine what the repugs would do if she with an apology from her. they already see the dems weak militarily. obama is plain ignorant and he is an opportunist. and edwards is weak.
bmw 528 @ 85:
Oh, think nothing of it. Everybody has been noticing your brilliance all night.
Johnny2Bad @ 89:
Why, thank you so little for for your comment. So who's your man for President, genius?
This Bobby Wise video is moving. The veteran speaking seems to be a much more thoughtful and compassionate person than the run of the mill soldier, and I guess I was just taken aback by the calm and reflective nature of his stand for Obama.
The people who support Obama are perhaps a reflection of the candidate. They are thoughtful, compassionate, and perspicacious (the word of the day at Dictionary.com : http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/)
Perhaps his opponents supporters would do better to keep their negative comments to themselves unless they are about policy differences or specific issues realating to the election. By association, one could infere from their personal critisizms of Sen. Obama that their choice in candidate is also petty, dull, and wholely without merit.
by the way what gives oprah the right to criticise hillary or any one else concerning the war. OPRAH WAS FOR THE WAR BEFORE SHE WAS AGAINST IT. She attacked a woman on her show that spoke out against the war. she and obama are two of the biggest liars. And yes I am attacking her.
Johnny, while I acknowledge that his charisma will serve him well in the task at hand, this is not the only reason I have come to my conclusion about Senator Obama. I say this because I feel that he has worked with the common man down in the trenches of our communities. He alone seem to understand that at this time in our country we need bipartisanship more than at any other time in our recent history. I voted for President Bush once and supported John McCain back when he was Obama-esque. He alone seems to understand that our strengths as a nation is not unique to any one political party, religion, ethnicity, or idealogy. It's the sum of all those things that make us great. Others may say they want this now that it's the popular thing to say but from what I've seen this has been Senator Obama's MO for as far back as his days as a community organizer. This speaks volumes to me as to what I can expect from his leadership as president. To often politicians have capitalized on the diversity of our country by pitting one against the other while mounting threats around the world gather. To often politicians have used these threats to terrorize our own citizens for political gain. I personally have found no other candidate that can show results in getting things done in a bipartisan manner who also understands that real changes need to be made in our politcal process by opening up the governing process to the citizens. We need to pull the curtain back on earmarks, energy, defense contractors and big pharma. We need a president who can make the case to all of America. We need a man like Senator Obama to counter what I'm sure will be a vicious battle with these very interests. He has the track record and the intergrity to carry this message to all people regardless of idealogy. But first he must prove his abilities by defeating the Clinton Machine. I will support him in this endeavor.
I might vote for him if his name were Obama Barack.
It sounds more..........................revolutionary.
Not as revolutionary as Obama bin Barack, but revolutionary.
To all those who say Barrak Obama has no substance, is a political shill, has not experience, etc, etc, etc. I REALLY suggest you go check out his 1st book from your local library (so as not to have to worry about putting money into his campaign) and read it. The man was a CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR for Pete's sake. He has championed the down trodden and disadvantaged no through lip service, but by being a community organizer in the poorest districts of Chicago. He has almost 2 decades of experience as a legislature if you take the time to realize he served in the Ill. state senate for 16 years (4 terms i think) as well as 1 term in the U.S. senate. The man is a brilliant orator, a natural born leader, and a real person. He goes into detail about his 'lost years' during college, smoking dope with his friends and he did indeed inhale. I know my bias is pretty obvious, but if you're oging to criticize the man at least have some of the facts. PLEASE read Dreams of my Father and you'll understand why electing this man may just save our country.
those of you who are asking for apologys get over stop crying and move on what a bunch of wimps. Obama has done absolutly nothing in the senate to bring troops home. A PRESIDENT CAN NOT VOTE PRESENT (ANY CANDIDATE BUT OBAMA,)
The Gunny @ 93:
gunny my cousin was with chesty puller at hagaru , he and his sargent held off hundreads of chinese killed so many they had to clear up the bodies in front of them he was an assitant 50 cal browning gunner his sargent won the medal of honor that night and my cousin before he died said obamas a looser , hey ill take his word for it!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh and he was a kucinich man like me!
Vote for Obama - the black Hillary? I don't think so. Nothing he's done so far indicates he's worthy of my vote. He makes pretty speeches, but that's it.
NCTL @ 88:
The man has made the most prescient remarks regarding the Iraq war I've heard from anyone except perhaps Dick Cheney ... sadly that's not a joke. The both said an invasion of Iraq would lead to absolute chaos and have the military bogged down in a fight they can't win. It would have been EASY for him to say 'No I wouldn't have voted for the war', but being honest and basically admitting he too may have been fooled by the trumped up intelligence is both straight forward and if you give only a moment of though reasonable. I don't think ANYONE except Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul believe we can just pack up and leave Iraq the day after the new president is sworn in. The difference is Barak ultimate vision doesn't involve permeate bases to secure oil fields for Exxon and Haliburton. Obama IS an optimists and anyone who thinks he's ignorant is misinformed at best ... those in glass houses as the old adage goes.
NCTL @ 92:
Oprah is a daytime TV talk show host. Get a grip. It's not like she was getting fed raw intelligence reports. Hillary and John Edwards were supposed to be in the know however.
Tyree, I guess if I was in your shoes I'd have to take the same stance. Gotta respect the great generation. Actually I was replying to Johnny from an earlier post. I know everyone will ultimately have to make their own decision about Senator Obama. I just wanted to share as to why I've come to support him. I would add that often times the older generations are the least receptive to things that are new and different.......change. Given the present situation of lur politics today and our challenges in the world, Obama brings to bare the right type of leadership for the country.
The Gunny @ 102:
gunny im not so old ill fall for a one speach wonder like obama!!!!maby you underestimate the older generation vets , we still know the difference between someone wanting to be a president and someone whos actually presidential material!
very moving endorsement. Obama's picking up steam
I can't wait to see the 'Outreach' Teddy Haggard does for Huckabee.
Or Monica's for Hillary. Or Bush's for McCain. Or 'Icepick' Gambolino's for Giuliani. Or Robertson's for Mitt.
The Gunny @ 93:
Fair enough.
gunny im not so old ill fall for a one speach wonder like obama!!!!
Tyree,
I don't know you from Adam, but I have read your post on here for a long time and I respect you. Sir, I implore you to read 'Dreams of my Father' and then do some surfing on YouTube to see Obama is much more than a 'one speech wonder'. The problem is, you can't get elected without being a proficient politician today in America. Obama is that. He is also much more. I believe this man would make us PROUD Americans again. I for one am fucking sick of apologizing for the actions of my government.
With all due respect, Obama is a show and nothing more. He's tall, good looking and can speak eloquently, but I don't see him proposing any big ideas. Just riding on the hopes and dreams of the American public until he can get into office and ignore us like the rest. I'd suggest looking at Kucinich and Gravel for your democratic nominees, they actually are talking about specific PLANS. But you won't hear about them on the boob tube.
Noted! But I would argue that there's nothing more presidential than a documented life's work of helping Americans who've lost jobs, advocating and delievering a more transperant government, vision to understand foreign relationships and the impact of the use of our military. Being able to weight the decision to make war and the reprecussions there of. Understanding the importance and need for real deplomacy and bridging the bipartisan divide. That's what I see when I look at the material of Senator Obama
Tekras @ 107:
you have your picks ive got mine , thats what makes horse races popular, kucinich has more integrity then any of these yahoos, ill put my money on dennis!!!!!!!!
The Gunny @ 109:
no offence gunny but what did you see in bush, ????
Tekras @ 95:
This is really nice and all but he's all talk & no game.
He panders WAY TOO MUCH to the neo-cons & sides with homophobes (McClurkin) and Rethug freaks just to be more "bi-partisan" - guess what? There is no room or time for Obama's dreams of bi-partisanship or of his father's.
The next Democratic President needs to:
1) End the Iraq war NOW. Bring our troops home, get them much better healthcare & humane and lengthy integration program that will help them get back to civilian life.
2) Reduce global warming impact, NOW. Not later & not a little bit, A LOT AND NOW.
3) Help our economy get better NOW. I haven't seen so many people have 2-3 jobs ust to make ends meet (me included).
4) Get the US some decent basic goverment healthcare for all US citizens, like NOW! My Montreal cousins are so happy they did not immigrate to the US. No, I don't have any insurance and I have gotten a quotes between 400-600 dollars a month. How I am going to pay for that? I am a healthy 30-something year old, BTW.
5) Get the US on alternative fuels NOW! Brazil has been doing it, and doing very well with it, why can't we?
And on that note:
6) LOWER GAS PRICES, NOW!
If he wants bi-partisanship, Joe Lieberman and him make a great couple. With Democrats like that, who needs enemies?
Greg @ 33:
Volum @ 15:
I voted for Obama for US Senator from Illinois but to me he is not the same man he was then. He's changed too much for me to vote for him again.
you have your picks ive got mine , thats what makes horse races popular, kucinich has more integrity then any of these yahoos, ill put my money on dennis!!!!!!!!
Kucinich DOES have integrity, and a lot of good ideas, and a hot wife - however he doesn't have a chance in hell of being elected today in America. It's not right, but it's true. I do respect your choice however. Just don't go dogging Barak until you know him and what he's done for the people of Ill. and what he wants to do for the people of America. He may be charismatic and good looking, but he's not vacuous!
Tyree, I didn't necessarily vote for Bush. I voted against the corruption and embarrassment of the Clinton presidency.
SM @ 112:
I can't argue with ignorance. Enlighten yourself my friend and we can debate facts ... there's nothing I can do with drivel and demagoguery.
Why all the Gospel - you're not just preachin' to the choir on this O & O'B. There's an awful lot of us other types out there too. The preachin' turns me off. Sorry. Hillary still looks better.
Obama is boring. Unremarkable. A man confident about the wrong things. Fell into bed with corporate interests within 2 months upon arriving in the senate. Easy to flatter.
Inexperienced. Unsophisticated. No gravity.
...and Oprah. Somebody heave that presumptive self-indulgent expanding and contracting ass back to commercial television. How inappropriate and tedious is it for you to further cheapen the already off-the-charts disassociated blur of crap values.
Get both of them OFF!
(of course I just admitted to myself that I'd feel differently if she were promoting Kucinich or Dodd or Biden. Because they're not lightweight puffballs like Obama, god help us...that's right there is no god...but that's a relief too).
The Gunny @ 116:
as they said in vietnam there you have it!!!you voted for the reality of it! blow jobs and such!
The Gunny @ 116:
As opposed to the current administration's corruption and embarassment?
If it takes some oral satisfaction to get BushCo out of office, not only will I give Bush & Cheney some of my oral expertise, I'll get Condileeza Rice and half of Congress some too!
Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not an underaged boy. Oh well, so much for that.
pc @ 118:
With any luck I'd like to convince at least a few people to stop flapping their gums and open their minds. Like so many other topics the bloggospher seems to be full of emotion regarding Obama, but very few are aware of the truth. I'm doing what I always TRY to do, hang tough for reality based reality. Before you dis, at least know what you're talking about. As for looks ... sure I'd sleep with Hilary before Barak, but I don't think she's the best candidate for the Democratic party right now. No only do I disagree with a number of her policies, but I just don't trust her. It has something to do with her pulling in more donations from lobbyist and defense contractors than any other candidate in either primary.
Tekras @ 117:
I can't argue with ignorance. Enlighten yourself my friend and we can debate facts ... there's nothing I can do with drivel and demagoguery.
Educate me then, show me what his plan is. I don't want to hear about his life, what we was etc. We already know all that. Yes, he is educated, charismatic and very charming, contistutional professor, etc.
I like Obama, but I don't love him as much as you do. But since he decided to run for president, all I've seen is all talk, no game.
I want to hear about what he plans to do. He does a very good job at pointing out the problems, but what are the solutions?
A little hit of reality for you guys with a baffling stiffy for Hillary:
http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%20Hillary%20Clinton.jpg
SM, exactly! Which is why I only voted for him once. The problem we seem to be facing is that the only candidates that the special interests have allow the opportunity to become president have been those that represent their interests and not the majority of Americans. Now we have and opportunity to actually change that if and only if we can come together and elect a candidate who understands that to win this battle against the special interest we need a new majority. That's may not sound appealing to people on the far left or the far right so I really don't expect them to relent but I do believe that we will muster a new coalition of Americians. People understand that extremism on either side on leads to more Bush's and Clintons and frankly I don't think the country can take much more of that type of leadership.
crazytown @ 119:
Kucinich not a light weight? Watch the c-span video from the day he brought up his point of privilege to Impeach Cheney. When all of the republicans started voting WITH him he look like a deer caught in a spot light. He has NO IDEA what was going on and Steny Hoyer saved his bacon. Plain and simple, you can see it with your own eyes. A capable politician would NEVER make such a mistake. It was courageous, it was honest. But it also nearly handed the republicans just the political grenade they needed to tie up the house for the rest of the session and Dennis had no idea what was going on. Watch the video. He looked positively afraid until Hoyer send the motion to committee.
SM @ 123:
Educate me then, show me what his plan is. I don't want to hear about his life, what we was etc. We already know all that. Yes, he is educated, charismatic and very charming, contistutional professor, etc.
I like Obama, but I don't love him as much as you do. But since he decided to run for president, all I've seen is all talk, no game.
I want to hear about what he plans to do. He does a very good job at pointing out the problems, but what are the solutions?
Sadly that IS the state of politics in America today. You're going to see the same dog and pony show from all of the front runners of either party. YOU'VE got to take it upon yourself to find out what the candidates are about, because while they're running all you going to see is - hey, I look good on camera - vote for me! I know it's not right. In fact it's down right pathetic, but JFK did it, Regan did it, both Clintons know you have to do it. It's just the sorry state of American politics right now. All of those candidates that are forthright and earnest (Kucinich, Nader, Paul) just don't have a chance in hell today. That's reality my friend. Read 'Dreams of My Father'. I know I sound like a broken record and I'm not an Obama worshiper, but I started giving money and volunteering for his campaign after I finished this book.
Gunny@125, That's exactly it. Flip the list over, those are the candidates, conveniently placed at the bottom whom the powers that flee would rather not have you believe are 'electable'. Who cares about appealing to any of them right or left?
Don't we have a constitution and ordinary human values. It's not complicated.
Watch. They'll try to placate us by giving in to a few things so we don't notice the cable's cut and we're heading straight down in a runaway elevator.
The states have to take power back, and most are a bit ready after losing funding, the shuck & jive national Id bullying, and robbing them of their national guard, and a host of other insults. State by state revolution and some secession as well. That's the only way we'll get change.
OBAMA CAMPAIGNED AND WAS MENTORED BY JOE LEIBERMAN. I GUESS IF HE BECAME PRES HE'D BECOME AN INDEPENDANT THINK ABOUT IT OBAMA MANIACS. YOU ALL PROBABLY DON''T EVEN KNOW WHO LEIBERMAN IS. AND IF YOU START ATTACKING HILLARY ABOUT HER RECORD DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT HE SUPPORTED A TRADER OF THE PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS.
Obama has been attacking the new media when facts about his policy are challenged. And he has gotten real cozy with the msn. you so called progressives are being betrayed. his attacks on the new media tops all the democratic candidates who happen to be to the left of obama. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. HE WILL BETRAY US.
no matter how you look at it...Obama would be better than most....DK screwed up picking(hypotheticly) Ron Paul....Dodd still looks ok,Edwards is still ok...Biden nope,HC NO........we still have some time left....and I'm sure the MSM will provide some character assassination.
Tekras@126, it's all in the perceiving is it not. He's the only one of the bunch who had the balls to bother.
All superfical pap. Sit down.
Ya know? Next election will be another joke on us anyway, it isn't real, might as well write in whomever the fuck we want. It just won't matter until we stop behaving as though it WERE real. Humans. Easier than shit to jerk around in any direction. Maybe it's US that need a spine.
Listen close to his stump speeches, put aside his inspirational and change bullshit and you'll see how much he panders to the neocons. He did it this weekend and so did oprah. Oprah with her statement that she has voted for reps as well as dems. thats pander , I don't care what anyone says.
OBAMA'S MENTOR JOE LEIBERMAN.
I have to admit that Lieberman thing bothers me......but then again,Barbara Boxer stumped for Lieberman....and so did alot of others....which I will never figure out.......but it still bothers me...especialy Boxer..and I let her know it.
NCTL @ 129:
Well sir, I can tell you this ... he's not going to drop his drawers and tell the Republicans to kiss his ass at the inauguration. I suspect he will try to isolate the loonies from the moderates and try to get out government working again! You really think we survive another 4 years of division and political strife? Here's a news alert - Obama WILL COMPROMISE. Just like Clinton compromised, just like Carter, Regan, Nixon, Ford, Ike, every fucking president we've ever had up until G.W. Bush. That doesn't mean his agenda won't be progressive. You're going to have Republicans in the congress. Arguably 45% of our voting populace is Republican. The next president can't hope to turn America into Canada in 1 term. But the next president can heal and reunite the country and put us on the road to recovery from the supply sider's wet dream we've been living for the last 7 years.
mudshark @ 134:
It's right in front of you! You're seeing it. Don't torture yourself.
crazytown @ 131:
George Bush had the balls to invade Iraq when all of his top military advisors told him it would be a nightmare. Point being, I understand the fervor, but that maneuvor was amateurish at best and dangerously wreckless at worst. Is that the sort of judgment you really think we need?
mudshark @ 134:
At one point Liberman was the senior Democratic incumbent senator ... any Democrat would have stumped for him at that point. The obvious relevant point right now is that Obama and Liberman are 180 degrees on the Iraq war.
NCTL @ 133:
Well, I've done my honest best for one night. I can't say much more than you're full of shit NCTL. It's like trying to persuade the rubes over at the freerepublic. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass, I implore you to read 'Dreams of my Father' before you close the book on Obama.
Tekras @ 137:
The center of gravity has been entirely lost. Visit again soon.
Tekras @ 138:
Yep. And it looks more and more like the Dem leadership (Rockafeller, Pelosi, Harmon, and God knows who else) all looked at the CIA water board tapes in 2003 and said "Okee dokee with us." So, you might want to be careful using the "Hey, all the good Dems woulda done the same thing" meme. Might not work so good for ya now.
OPRAH IS NOT ON THE BALLOT!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is different. The fact that this could be true is an offense to some. Maybe they scorn the idea because they hate most politicians and especially those whom some say are good. They want to feel it and see it themselves. If they think they see it in another candidate they are jealous of the attention Obama is getting.
What offends me are those who assume shallowness or guilt without taking the time to see what people are talking about. Some even complain that Obama is a candidate without plans when they clearly haven't studied his plans available in detail on his Website, nor listened to his speeches on those same subjects be it technology [google presentation] the environment [based on Gore's insights], education [calls on the support of parents and neighborhoods, not just the feds], healthcare [comprehensive but not forcefully mandated] etc. If you do, you'll know whereof you speak. You won't put words in his mouth. Read "The Audacity of Hope." You will know what kind of a person he is. A trickster could not begin to write as he does.
What impresses me is the way Obama responds when asked a question. He doesn't do platitudes. He answers directly and clearly and to the point. He shows insight, originality, and a profound grasp of most every subject. He is not overly impressed with himself, but really wants to serve and knows he can get people to do things. That's what we need.
Not everybody's dumb. Given enough time, the truth outs. That is why there has been an almost complete overturning of Hillary's numbers. That is why he is getting the money. Pay attention and you'll see what others are learning. Stop clinging to this or that appearance of an inconsistency that really amounts to very little. Obama is what most of us find we need and he'll do fine.
Just Jean @ 143:
Jean, Jean, Jean...I was listening patiently till this lulu.."He is not overly impressed with himself..."
OMG. Pa-leeze!
Not so fast. With regard to the percentage of Americans who make over $100,000 a year, Obama was not lying. Here are the data from the 2006 Census Economic Survey:
Percentage of households earning $100,000+: 17%
Percentage of individuals earning $100,000+: 5.63%
SOURCE: http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/perinc/new01_001.htm
Households are different from individuals. Individuals making over $100k, not households, would be affected by lifting the cap on FICA taxes. As for Obama's claim, it appears that he was correct and that you are needlessly flipping out.
If you have to think so granularly about every person up for presidential candidacy, you won't be able to have a widespread agreement on anyone for office.
Obama would make a fine President, if only because he'd be a Democrat allowed to his own devices and not having to work along the parameters set by a bullying, overarching Republican majority as in the past.
unfrozencaveman @ 29:
I really appreciate this comment.... at least for adding more perspective to the conversation (or rather then conversation from the above posts it looks more like a bunch of teens having a hissy fit and some vets having a pissing contest) but for the rest of the commenter's/readers who are actually interested in the topic here's some more references material so we can hopefully remove the hearsay and gossip fact:
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
http://obama.senate.gov/votes/index.cfm?start=1
Not sure how wide spread knowledge of these websites are so eh have at em'
There are a couple reasons that I do not support Obama:
1) One of Obama's primary financial supporters is the Exelon Corporation. They own and operate Nuclear Power generating facilities in Illinois, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Exelon is currently being sued by the residents of Will county IL for contamination of local water by the Braidwood Power plant. This radioctive waste contamination of tritium has also been an ongoing issue at their plants in Byron and Dresden Illinois as well. Nuclear plants present a ridiculous national security risk. Private security firms such as Wackenhut have been caught sleeping while guarding some of Exelon's facilities.
There has been some talk of Nuclear Energy being a solution to global warming. Here is why this is simply not true:
-Every dollar spent to develope nuclear energy could be spent more efficiently to address climate change. Whether it is investing in making coal plants more clean and efficient or developing true renewables such as hydro, solar and wind. The private sector will not invest in such a high liability venture, thus the inevitable subsidies. The nuclear plant in Clinton, IL had cost overruns which resulted in a final construction cost of 4.25 billion dollars. Illinois Power operated the plant for over a decade, providing some of the midwest's most expensive energy before selling the plant to Exelon for the bargain of 40 million dollars. Uranium prices have quadrupled in the past two years.
-One must consider the entire nuclear cycle to accuratly assess nuclear energy's contribution to global warming. Machinery which was produced burning coal and oil fuels and that runs on oil fuels is used to mine the uranium. Similar machinery is used to construct the massive infrastructure. The fuel must be transported, milled, then enriched. Enriching results in the emmission of CFC's which are a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. The Plant in Clinton Illinois has a 5,000 acre cooling reservoir. As the water cools, heat is transferred to the surroundings. The radioactive waste must be transported, then guarded indefinitly. Every step from research and development to decommissioning of a nuclear plant has a profound effect on global warming and is very reliant on finite fossil fuels.
-The depositing of nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain would mean the transport of these radioactive materials through many communities throughout the country. This not only affects these communities through the direct risk of accidental spillage, but through the inherant security risk that follows these materials wherever they go.
-Every nation that the US doesnt want to have Nuclear weapons that now has them got them because of civilian nuclear energy facilities, mostly from china. It is naive not to see the inherant connection between the nuclear industry and the military industrial complex, and the robbing of tax dollars from needed programs the both commit. Right now in Iraq, as in the Gulf War and Bosnia, the US is waging nuclear war with depleted uranium
penetrators.
2) Obama has said that he wouldnt take nuclear aggression off the table when dealing with Iran. He often takes credit for never having voted for the War at its beginning, but has admitted that had he been a senator at that time, he is not sure how he would have voted. Both him and Hillary are for a continued troop presence and taxpayer drain in Iraq well into the future. He has done significant damage to our relations with Pakistan through his thoughtless comments a few weeks ago.
At this point I am planning on voting for Edwards, though Kucinich is admirable in many ways. Ultimately, I am not so sure that the Democrats have enough of a Bush - backlash advantage to confidently take someone as progressive as Kucinich to the november ballot. Even though Edwards is clearly left of Obama and Clinton, in some ways he is more electable, particularly in key parts of the country. Let us recall that he has actually achieved the American dream. He acknowledges the dangers of nuclear energy, and has been the only candidate to really emphasize the concept of conservation. As he says, "It's time to be patriotic about something other than war". He admits that voting for the war at its onset was "the biggest mistake of my life". Of the frontrunning democrats, he is for the earliest withdrawl of troops and a complete end to combat operations.
Obama is a very charismatic person. People love him and he is a smooth talker. Wonderful!
Billy Boy Clinton was exactly the same only white. Billy Clinton was a servant of the rich and powerful.
Billy Clinton was an enemy of the working classes in this country.
I smell the exact same duplicity coming from all this glad-handing, happy faced guy with a darker skin hue.
I believe he is exactly the same as Billy Boy and will betray the interests of the working class.
There are two people who have the interests of the working class in their hearts and minds: Kucinich and John Edwards.
Obama is afraid to take on the war machine; the military industrial complex which depends on maintaining the worship of war, destruction and bloodshed as the primary deity that the majority of Americans worship. He is afraid to address the issues of Imperial America the exact opposite of the ideas and ideology of our Founding Fathers and Mothers.
Ms. Clinton, of course, is by far the worst of all possible Democratic candidates and I cannot imagine voting for her under any circumstances. She like her husband is a stealth Republican.
I have no idea why anybody would prefer Obama to Hillary, even. Edwards, I understand. Kucinich, I understand but disagree with. Obama? He's to the right of Hillary on Social Security, Health care, and everything else. He wouldn't guarantee that our troops would be gone from Iraq by 2013 in September's debate. He's a good speaker. That's it.
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