I'm an American. I'm not a Christian. Bite me, Steve.

as a western Iowa native, i just want to be the first to say I DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS DUMBASS! that being said, i look forward to contributing to whomever is running against this piece of shit.

Fuck that bible thumpin hypocrit!!! That man needs to be REMOVED FROM OFFICE IMMEDIATELY!!!

If they want to teach Bible as Fiction, that is fine by me.

It is very subjective as to how one can go about teaching "Christianity." But, what this King idiot has in mind would be to teach Christianity in absolute terms without the ability to contest its validity or that "Christianity" is anything but human invention.

Maybe his ass-holiness King can tell us what our chances are for fulfillment and pleasant demeanor when faced by too numerous to count missiles of mendacity and ill regard being flung at us, the voting public, as well as flying out in all directions as if a whole gaggle of crazed monkeys broke in to the local armory, peppering the night sky willy-nilly with lead projectiles for know apparent purpose save that one might connect with the already badly damaged heart and bearing of the country and it's institutions. Down in the land of inbred kissin' cousins they say it sounds like a job for ole’ Jay-zuzz, though I don’t think even the great Oz has anything in his bag o’ tricks that could help us in the interim. And believe it or not, some GOP pinheads are completely baffled as to the source of our discontent, which are understandably many and not apparent to the typical stoopid political nanker pushing the stone up the hill whilst stuffing his/her pockets. It's visions of Joanna as we try in vain to stuff socks in the mouths of the broken-record choir with their plaintive bleating, croaking “Cha-ching!!” as they toss the rotten vegetables of their own failed schemes on National T.V.. They sure got a lot of gall! These visions of Joanna keep us up past the dawn (Sorry Bob!), ringing truer as Kafka-esque nightmares. Somebody please tell me what salvation is like after a while. Jeez, I can’t find my knees.

The poor kids will sure get confused as they try to reconcile the "tenets of Christianity" with the actions taken by our government against Native Americans!

One more thing----Christians in America have nothing to be proud of with their annilihation of native Americans, subjugation of women, slavery, and the American apartheid system form of government from slavery to segregation not to mention the death penalty and other wars of attrition. The so-called "Christian heritage" of America is nothing to boast about.

The WASP age of America had more horror stories than one would like to remember. The protests.civil rights movements of the 1960s brought the hypocrisy of this so-called Christian America to the forefront, especially the second class citizen status of those who failed to subscribe to the white-male authoritarian social structure.

What an ignorant America hating piece of dung this Rep. Steve King guy is! If they do teach anything about Christianity in schools related to US history then they'd have to make damn certain they taught that the US Constitution expressly forbids the church from the political hall! And there's a damn good reason the Framers of the Constitution did so!! Because they knew there'd be nut cases like King, they had plenty of freedom hating theocrats back then too.

I'd sure some strange stuff will turn up when they wheel him out.

This guy is probably from the same school of thought as Ted "tushy-pusher" Haggard and Mark "How big is it?" Foley.

Typical closeted, authoritarian wackjob.

No, if you teach American history--or European history--you cannot teach it without teaching how the brutality of the Christian church has scarred Western Civilization. That is the reason our Constitution protected intellectual freedom and the freedom of religion. People who say that the Constitution "protects the freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion" (author Tom Clancey) are simply wrong.

I haven't noticed that posting the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court Building, or any other neoCon office, has made those officials particularly moral. The Supreme Court sat right under the Ten Commandments and stole the 2000 election from Al Gore and killed our democracy.

'k, Steve. Make sure you teach the kids how Christians persecuted and killed "witches" in sham trials, how Christians used the Bible to justify slavery, and how the KKK is an explicitly Christian organization.

lumberjack @ 25:

Mr. XXXX @ 8:

If they want to teach Bible as Fiction, that is fine by me.

The Bible, were it made into a movie, would be rated XXX. No kid of mine is gonna see that incest and violence laden piece of filth until he's 18.

That is a good one....No problem here....

Bit NOLA @ 5:

By all means, let's hear about what religion used to be in this country. Be sure to start with the deists.

They didn't exactly kneel to Jesus. Just get the history right. The founding fathers wasn't a revivalist group. They were men of reason.

And don't forget to mention all the people the Puritans executed because they were Quakers or Anabaptists (and just forget about witches)!

When they make it a law that Evolution will be taught in Sunday School, maybe we'll talk.

Dear Iowa voters,
stop electing rapture bunnyist cavemen. Southern Bapitst Sharia gets the bozack

To quote the Rude One:

HR 847: Are You Goddamn Kidding?:

Does this IDIOT know enough about American history to realize that most of the founding Fathers were DEISTS (we don't believe in "revealed" religions like Christianity, instead we believe in God through REASON and nature). Besides W. & his neo-con "Christian" buddies are the least "Christ-Like" people I know!! I think they believe in "Jesus" (who is one among many god-men who have remarkably similar stories) about as much as I believe in Santa Claus.

"I think they [our forefathers] came to America to worship Jesus Christ."

http://www.foxnews.com/radio/alancolmes/index.html
listen to the "Resurrecting Christmas" in the Audio Highlights.

The kingdom of Heaven is within. Free your mind and your ass will follow.

miss_kitty @ 3:

And I want schools to teach kids that marijuana is not a Class A Narcotic.

Neither of us are going to get what we want, arsehole. Go get unelected.

The schools should teach our kids how to grow and harvest marijuana like the founding fathers did. If Thomas Jefferson, and other founding fathers grew marijuana, then shouldn't Steve King promote that too?

Shouldn't they be taught Native American Religions too?

another fucking hypocrite who pushes his bullshit suck jesus religion on others. take it home you bastard where it belongs.

if you want to shove something down your throat, go see larry craig.

dadams @ 46:

another fucking hypocrite who pushes his bullshit suck jesus religion on others. take it home you bastard where it belongs.

if you want to shove something down your throat, go see larry craig.

HA! Take THAT! Churchies!

Here's the verse on Busholini's xmas card:

You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you. NEHEMIAH 9:6 (NIV)

Are we officially a Theocracy?

MargeAggedon @ 51:

Not to be crude about it or anything but fuck religion.
The world would be a better place without any of it.

Indeed, Marge. Indeed it would.

How 'bout a Stephen King horror movie about Steve King?

So what?

Students already learn about Christianity in history class.

Terrible @ 53:

Weaseldog @ 42:

miss_kitty @ 3:

And I want schools to teach kids that marijuana is not a Class A Narcotic.

Neither of us are going to get what we want, arsehole. Go get unelected.

The schools should teach our kids how to grow and harvest marijuana like the founding fathers did. If Thomas Jefferson, and other founding fathers grew marijuana, then shouldn't Steve King promote that too?

It may very well be a neccessity soon anyway for fuel, clothing and cordage.

Very true. For one simple plant...it could help a great deal with many of the problems around the world today.

I guess I'm approaching this a little differently than most of the other posters here. Since I date a history teacher, I'm familiar with the local curriculum. Religion is taught in school. It's rather difficult to discuss ancient Greece, Egypt, India, etc. without talking about the prominent religions and how they influenced culture and society. I feel students should learn about other people's beliefs not only for a better understanding of history, but because it's important to be exposed to other beliefs and ideas for cultural understanding. By all means, discussions of how religious fervor led to some pretty horrible events should be part of that. Please don't get me wrong; I would never want a teacher trying to convince students that one religion is wonderful or terrible and actively trying to sway the students' beliefs. When handled correctly, however, teaching about religions and their cultural and historical significance (as opposed to preaching in the school) is an important part of a well-rounded education.
As a brief example of why we need to include lessons on religion in school, my girlfriend was rather disturbed when she mentioned to a student that they would be studying Islam soon and he responded with something to the effect of, "oh, the terrorists." Hopefully by the end of the unit he'll be able to identify the religion with more than just its more negative aspects.

Eric Jaffa @ 56:

So what?

Students already learn about Christianity in history class.

Christians already learn about Christianity where they should: At home and in church.

I'll add that I did learn about many religions in a high school class on world religions. The teach was kind of a pious Christian type, but the class was taught as a survey of many religious beliefs and with equal respect to all.

so he wants to teach christianity in church...

and which brand of christianty will be tought? which version of the bible?

why do my senses tell me that this dangerous idea will be catapulted by the reichwing media to a national issue, as part of the so-called "culture" war? flag burning and gay marriage are so yesterday, let's divide the electorate even further by proposing this unconstitutional and fucking insulting idea. yay!!!

I really used to try to be tolerant of Christianity, but when that asshat with the Jesus tattoo assaulted the Jewish kid on the subway down by Canal street and the only kid to come to his rescue was a Muslim, I officially lost it. I'm done with all forms of Christianity. I know it's just one incident, but how long in history has this been going on? And, I know judaism or islam aren't perfect but goddamn when it comes to the point when some moron puts a Jesus tattoo on him, any faith or respect I had for it is gone.

(ex-catholic living in a family of degenerating fundie nutjobs)

I don't see why the tenets of many religions shouldn't be taught in school, just like any other fiction is taught, such as Literature. As long as it's not taught as actual truth, and it's taught in the proper context, it is an important part of our society. Go all the way, teach many religions, and then the children will see how ridiculous they appear next to each other.

The great American irony is that our forbearers were followers of the French enlightenment and yet America has turned out to be the least enlightened nation on Earth. They fought people like this insane freak, so as to guard against any infringements to our civil liberties. It was a grand experiment but was doomed at the start because of the virus of religion that has rotted out the brains of those seeking power. What a pity, what a sad, sad pity that all they fought and died for has been wiped out in just a few short years of this infantile fake presidency. I hate these mother f*ckers for what they've wrought upon this planet. I'm so f*cking glad I'm an atheist.

Thrillhouse @ 60:

I guess I'm approaching this a little differently than most of the other posters here. Since I date a history teacher, I'm familiar with the local curriculum. Religion is taught in school. It's rather difficult to discuss ancient Greece, Egypt, India, etc. without talking about the prominent religions and how they influenced culture and society. I feel students should learn about other people's beliefs not only for a better understanding of history, but because it's important to be exposed to other beliefs and ideas for cultural understanding. By all means, discussions of how religious fervor led to some pretty horrible events should be part of that. Please don't get me wrong; I would never want a teacher trying to convince students that one religion is wonderful or terrible and actively trying to sway the students' beliefs. When handled correctly, however, teaching about religions and their cultural and historical significance (as opposed to preaching in the school) is an important part of a well-rounded education.
As a brief example of why we need to include lessons on religion in school, my girlfriend was rather disturbed when she mentioned to a student that they would be studying Islam soon and he responded with something to the effect of, "oh, the terrorists." Hopefully by the end of the unit he'll be able to identify the religion with more than just its more negative aspects.

I think most here understand that and would agree with you to a point. That point being Steve Kings wingnuttery that is approaching this from totally differently as in what you warn against preaching a particular sect of a particular religion. Because like you say the correct way to teach any and all religions is already being done by the competent teachers. If we could get the incompetent ones to do it right too that would be nice but I don't see any federal law being able to do that. Especially a law promoted by wingnut theocrat.

Thrillhouse @ 60:

I guess I'm approaching this a little differently than most of the other posters here. Since I date a history teacher, I'm familiar with the local curriculum. Religion is taught in school. It's rather difficult to discuss ancient Greece, Egypt, India, etc. without talking about the prominent religions and how they influenced culture and society. I feel students should learn about other people's beliefs not only for a better understanding of history, but because it's important to be exposed to other beliefs and ideas for cultural understanding. By all means, discussions of how religious fervor led to some pretty horrible events should be part of that. Please don't get me wrong; I would never want a teacher trying to convince students that one religion is wonderful or terrible and actively trying to sway the students' beliefs. When handled correctly, however, teaching about religions and their cultural and historical significance (as opposed to preaching in the school) is an important part of a well-rounded education.
As a brief example of why we need to include lessons on religion in school, my girlfriend was rather disturbed when she mentioned to a student that they would be studying Islam soon and he responded with something to the effect of, "oh, the terrorists." Hopefully by the end of the unit he'll be able to identify the religion with more than just its more negative aspects.

Problem is, Christianity was not the *only* religion involved in the historical processes of what we call nowadays the US of A.
There is no denying the effect that Christianity has, and it should not be ignored. But there needs to be the proper context for the discussion of Christianity, after all what part of Christianity does he want to be taught/indoctrined? The Quakers, the puritans, the Salem which hunts, the persecution and marginalization of Catholics until recently, the mixture of Spanish Catholic with native traditions accross what now is the South West, the role of backwater protestantism in the KuKluxKlan, the religious mixture of Christian thought and African traditions among the slaves, etc, etc, etc.

Further more, if this jag off wants kids to learn about Christian traditions so be it, however... if its under the guise of "History" then we need to make it clear that there were plenty of other religions in this continent, before and while Christianity was being practised. So for every psalm kids have to memorize, I assume this jackass will have no problem with the kids learning a new rain dance.

First and formost...History.....the Pilgrims and the rest of the early settlers came to this country for freedom OF RELIGION and freedom FROM RELIGION..wonder what in the hell school they went to to learn about history. Sure didn't come from the American History books I studied.

So that means they're gonna teach kids about the Pagan roots of Christianity too?

Interesting.

I understand both sides of this, on one side, you have the Athiest Dan Dennett who says the same thing, Yes, Christianity should be taught in schools, because it is important to the motives of previous generations (Witch burnings, Holocaust, Christianity vs. Jews vs. Muslims for Israel, etc), however, this guy is looking for a back door. As soon as he gets christianity taught in schools, then he wants to teach that man can only marry woman, and any other cooky christian belief.

In theory, teaching ABOUT faiths is ok, but teaching to BELEIVE IN FAITHS is WRONG.

If you read the New Costitution, (still classified), you would know that our Military Education program will allow kids to conform naturally. All education will be suprevised by the General of Education, Alan Keys will design the morality class. No one will be able to vote until completion degree granted, renewable every five years. Report your neighbors. Suspicion Breeds Confidence.

What's sad is US schools are falling further and further behind in major subjects like science and math, yet these clueless, pandering politicians think the answer is less science and more Jesus in the classroom. Great, we'll have more priests/ministers, and less scientists and mathemeticians.

You have to understand the US Constitution to become a naturalized citizen of the United States and yet all you need is money to be elected to public office.

liberalNmoderation @ 58:

Terrible @ 53:

Weaseldog @ 42:

miss_kitty @ 3:

The schools should teach our kids how to grow and harvest marijuana like the founding fathers did. If Thomas Jefferson, and other founding fathers grew marijuana, then shouldn't Steve King promote that too?

It may very well be a neccessity soon anyway for fuel, clothing and cordage.

Very true. For one simple plant...it could help a great deal with many of the problems around the world today.

I've already begun... (and it is a necessity-- believe me.) ;)

Amendment One of our Constitution states: "
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom
of speech, or of the press; of the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

They have treated the Constitution as if it is outdated and irrelevant for years now. They don't give a rip about separation of church and state.

It is fairly condescending to say "If you teach American history, you cannot teach it without teaching Christianity" without recognizing that America is made up of (and always has been) Americans from all walks of life - namely, from LOTS of different religions. If we are going to teach Christianity in schools, then we must teach ALL religions in school. Then of course, when we have time to teach reading, writing, and arithmetic..?

A number of the Founders were Deists. They had a respect for the ethics of Jesus, but made a point of writing into the Constitution the need for a separation of church and state.

Like many right wing Conservative Republicans, their use of history to make their arguments tends towards rewriting history to suit their needs.
We don't need to turn our government into a theocracy (though they are trying hard now). This is not what our country is about. We hopefully still have the 'freedom' to practice our faith in whatever form that takes, in all our diversity, and in private. That is the beauty of this great country.

And what will they teach in Sunday School

Condom use?

hmmm....

fine idea....

okay if Ahmed Halabi teaches????

Did all the Christian churches suddenly get swallowed up into the earth? Has the bible totally disappeared from view? Has there been mass executions of all preachers, priests, and laity?

God, save us from your "faithful"!!!!

Frankly, the history of the US is in it's secularism.

Early schools were often church or family run.

But then with the waves of immigration that followed in the 19th century universal mandated secular scholasticm became the norm (NORM!)

When Jews and Catholics got tired of being called Christ-killers and superstitious papists in the required texts of the time, and desired to set up their own private schools, the majority Protestant said no, use our schools or your own money, and used the Seperation of Church & State to base their arguments.

I learned the 10 Commandments from Mad Magazine.

fizgig1 @ 95:

What the hell is happening to freedom of thought in our country?

It was privatized in the 90's and has since been out-sourced.

On another point, What sort of Christianity is Rep. King talking about teaching in schools? I mean, the term "Christianity" is a very vague term to say the least. There are so many denominations in the United States and many clash with one another on various topics.

When I taught, an Assembly of God pastor demanded equal time for his brand of Christianity with my 6th graders because the text I used on an Indian subcontinent area study "taught" Hinduism and Islam. When he brought it to the ecumenical council in town to get their support, the Episcopal and Catholic priests laughed him out of the room.

There are Christian Christians. There are also a lot of right wing, my god can beat up your god whackos. King is one of the latter.

Dr. Acula @ 17:

I'm sure Busholini likes Steve King. After all, our dictator sent our xmas cards with a biblical verse on them this year!!!!!

Was the card signed by Adolph and Eva bush?

spiritcatcher @ 57:

well, considering the shift to a fascist state and this impressive theocratic undercurrent, i wonder when they'll call for rounding up the jews. any day now ...

Not only Jews but Muslims as well. Then after they got with the pogrom on all the other religions they will feed upon theirselves.

I suggest we ought to round-up this bimbo, Rush and Billo and put them in an insane facility!!!

I think I am actually in agreement w/this guy. Teach Christianity in schools. Go ahead and teach it go from the 10 to the 6 commandments-then to one (yea Jesus went to six and then to 1). Talk to students about the fall of Sodom (let me give you a hint it wasn't bc of sex either). Yea go ahead and teach students about what the bible says about when you speak (do not speak foolishly). Most of all, talk to students about what Jesus said about the rich entering in heaven, or how people should treat others, then compare and contrast how that really works out in America. HA-ha!

I am for separation of Church and state bc I do not want these people teaching my kids their heresy! I do not want them to teach my kids to have no faith that is why I do not want creationism/ID taught in schools. This guys really does not know the religion that he claims, if they did, they would be extremely weary about teaching it to other's kids.

revko @ 109:

Will taking the "Christian Class" get me out of P.E?

They'll do worse than towel snap you in the communal showers.

OH yea, and let's not even get into the born Eunuchs and made Eunuch parts of the old and new testament.
I respect all people, of all faiths, and those who have none, but I can not respect (nor according to the way I read the Bible should I) those who use the Bible to garner power, and wealth, or those who try to usurp the Holy spirit. Those are the people I can not respect, those are the people that I detest. They walk a dangerous path.

Well, there could be SOME point to that... I can't listen to the mp3 at the moment, but if he is saying that one could teach kids that the original Puritans that came to America were in fact smugglers and terrorists back home in England, then sure. All 21,000 of them (hardly the whole population). Some say they were even kicked out by the less radical Puritans in England. Or the fact that once they got to America, they were such harsh and oppressive theocrats that they were banished from the Massachusetts colony for (among other things) torture and imprisonment of the leaders of non-Puritan Christian sects.

Then, of course, there were the Salem "witch" trials, and so on.

Or that the KKK claimed to be a Christian organization, along with many other "Christian" terrorist groups. There are many positive secular Christian contributions, of course (I'm most familiar with those of some Congregational descendants of the puritan churches in particular, ironically), but at some point you really start getting outside of the normal scope of what you'd normally expect in even a high school setting.

If the historical record of Christianity in American -- in full -- needs to be taught in a secular, historical fashion as background for a subject then by all means it should be. But the truth is, the bible-thumping part wasn't that influential, despite the current Republican revisionist history. The idea of a kind and concerned secular community (sometimes organized around the town church) has done a lot, however.

The best things of Christianity are contained in the version of bible by Thomas Jefferson, rather than the "magic" one anyway. Perhaps they should teach that. Just my thoughts...

Have any of you read American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America? It explains in great detail, the difference between traditional Christians, and the new dominionists, who fully intend to scrap the constitution, and form a theocracy. I have added a link to a 3-part interview with author Chris Hedges. It gives a good summary of the book. I will warn you, for some it is very grim to learn how close we are to losing.

ysbaddaden @ 118:

revko @ 109:

Will taking the "Christian Class" get me out of P.E?

They'll do worse than towel snap you in the communal showers.

They'll waterboard you in the Baptismal Pool.

He only wants a santized, Disnified, view on the role of religion in America.

In reality it needs a santized towel.

That's it, I'm wearing my stripping nun t shirt more.

But seriously, although I'm totally going to wear more of my irreligious t shirts, I had an interesting experience in line the other day. I was grabbing some shit for dinner, and the bf and I were talking about the obnoxious holiday crap in the store (music, trees, Santa and tinsel) and we got to talking about how sad it is that a holiday that should, irrespective or religion, be an excuse to give the people you love something but turns into 'if you love someone, especially the baby Jesus, you'll buy more stuff." All around us in line, people backed away. The woman in front of us was so uncomfortable she all but ran out the door, and the people behind us watched us as if they were wondering when our heads would spin. I can't be sure it was the comment where I talked about feeling a lot of sympathy with the atheists because of how obnoxious the season can be, but I notice even the clerk was a bit faster after I said it. We weren't loud, and neither of us was wearing anything offensive, but I guess with the subject matter we don't have to be.

I don't suppose I have to tell anyone here to go test that phenomena, but sometimes I think insuring that everyone's favorite religious symbols are equally disrespected is as helpful as respecting them, because the whole neo-conservative Christianity thing is as much about symbolic primacy as it is about social dominance. It sucks, because disrespecting religious symbols is not a terribly good way to open a dialog, which, believe it or not, I'd rather do (because it has the possibility of changing someone's mind.) And sometimes, I'm just angry and I want to disrespect the religions, especially Christianity, not so much the love your neighbor part as anything Paul said and the Old Testament jealous, sadistic god.

But the Representative King there is obviously up to something. As the first commenter said, don't look at the eyes. Nobody's home.

Also...Jebus saves...He shoots! He scores!!!

Liberal AND Proud @ 127:

RedRocker @ 125:

I can't wait to hear this guy's skeletons come out of the closet.

Just a matter of time.

I'm not sure what's worse...these right wing nutcases making Christians appear to be xenophobic nutjobs or closeted perverts.

I attended a fundamentalist Baptist School as a kid. Paranoia is a principle of the faith. Satan's minions are everywhere. Be afraid. I learned that all the world was at war with our little church and we needed to stand together and let the minister protect us from certain death and damnation.

I also learned that people of other faiths are all devil worshipers and that Muhammad was another name for Lucifer. People who worship Christ wrong, but still worship him, go to a lesser heaven. Everyone else goes to hell.

From this experience, I can see how millions of Americans have already been set up to hate and fear Muslims. The political rhetoric of the paranoia in believing that the whole world wants to kill each and every American, is almost exactly like the paranoia taught in Sunday School. It seems obvious to me , how this scales from religious training to political faith.

Praise the Lord, and kill the redskins!

#135: And the title of your post is somewhat misleading. And to everyone else-At least listen to the link before going off half cocked.

I DID listen to it...

Zoopy, if you listened to the clip, the interviewer was trying to get King to differentiate between "how Christianity affected American history" and simply "teaching Christianity", and King "dances" around answering the question directly...on purpose, of course. Or he might alienate the evangelicals. Republicans always do that.

liberalNmoderation @ 131:

Joe O. @ 123:

yellow dog @ 108:

When I taught, an Assembly of God pastor demanded equal time for his brand of Christianity with my 6th graders because the text I used on an Indian subcontinent area study "taught" Hinduism and Islam. When he brought it to the ecumenical council in town to get their support, the Episcopal and Catholic priests laughed him out of the room.

There are Christian Christians. There are also a lot of right wing, my god can beat up your god whackos. King is one of the latter.

Your comment is exactly the type of example that I was talking about in my previous comment (106). I can only see bad things coming from Rep. King's idea. I can see a lot of Christian on Christian violence coming from all of this in the long run as well. Imagine if the selected Christian doctrine to be taught is Roman Catholic and the students were Southern Baptist or vice versa. Christianity is not a big "happy" family as Rep. King tries to make it out to be. It is full of conflict and history is full of examples indicating this.

I can see alot of xtain on everyone that ain't xtian violence comin too...like that British guy that stabbed a Scotsman in Australia recently, over an argument of creationism vs. evolution...the Scotsman was pro evolution, he died. The creationist gets 5 years in prison for manslaughter. Will probably be out in a year...the insanity is spreading. Backward xtian fundamentalism ain't just for whitebread Americans anymore! Great...

I guess I assumed too much in my first posting. The Catholic and Epicopal priests were not putting Pastor Billy Bob Joe down because they wanted their brand of Christianity taught - it was because they knew that one cannot teach about a culture without bringing in the religions of that culture. Pastor Billy Bob Joe wanted to proselytize his version of Christianity, all I was doing was talking about the culture of that part of South Asia. The priests understood this.

That is NOT to say there aren't Episcopal or RC priests every bit as bad as the Pastor Billy Bob Joes of this world, but that wasn't true in this case.

FWIW - I'm not Christian - or Jewish - or Muslim - or any other religion you can think of. I've been to Hell and come back without the help of clergy. There are very few clergymen or women I have any use for.

Zoopy @ 134:

Hey Nicole - get the facts straight instead of tryng to distort them to make your post more controversial. I did not hear him say "If you teach American history, you cannot teach it without teaching Christianity", he said " If they are going to learn American history, you can not teach it without teaching christianity" Very different meaning, and the truth.
He goes on to say at the end of the link that " I think they need to understand the tenets of the christian, and OTHER FAITHS that have effected the history of this country" A very different meaning then your statement " King decides it was time to fully embrace his inner theocrat for the world to hear and said in no uncertain terms that Christianity and its tenets should be taught in American schools"
Maybe thats what you wanted him to say.

What the fuck does it matter how he worded it? It's just one more right wing SOB trying to
shove christianity down the throats of kids in public school. Religion, no matter what one
it is needs to be taught at home or in your own religious institutions...PERIOD! He DOES state
that kids should be taught christianity and they should understand the 'tenets' of christianity...
why? WTF for? Go learn it at your home from your parents or at church from your pastor. There
are too many different factions of christianity anyway so which one do we use, hah? Rep. King
needs to keep his ideology out of my kid's and other kid's schools.

RayC @ 9:

By any chance did Alan Colmes remind Steve King that most of the founding fathers were not, I REPEAT NOT!! Christians??

Oh, but they *must* have been, since the U.S. Congress just passed a resolution supporting that position. Not only are the theocrats trying to rewrite history, next they want to rewrite the laws to prove that Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson and their colleagues actually were acolytes for The Big J. Unfortunately, they seem incapable of reading the Constitution, only the bible.

My head hurts.

I am so sick of this $hit. Democracy is out the window, we live in a plutocracy. I sure as hell don't want to live in a theocracy plutocracy. When you put the two together what kind of state do you have, fascist state?