Dick Morris On FOXNews: Hillary Clinton "Not Above Using Race" To Beat Obama
By Logan Murphy Sunday Jan 06, 2008 8:38am
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Sunday night after the FOXNews GOP debate in New Hampshire, former Clinton advisor, Dick Morris, joined Sean Hannity for a hearty round of Hillary bashing. It's not unusual to hear this kind of drivel at Fox, but Morris was particularly nasty and unhinged in this segment. He's convinced that not only is Clinton going make a "dirty comeback" in the weeks to come, she's going to use Bill Clinton's "Sistah Souljah" tactics, and use veiled racial comments in order to win. Shameless.
Morris: "I think what she's going to do is take a page from Bill's playbook in 1992 when he was facing Jesse Jackson going into the New York primary. From out of nowhere, he seized on an episode with Sistah Souljah, who is a black rapper who apparently had dissed the National Anthem. And he attacked her, and the whole point was to use race as an issue against Jesse Jackson -- which succeeded and he carried New York by a very large margin. And I think that what she's going to do is she's going to say, Obama's unelectable, Americans won't elect him, he can't beat the Republican party, America's not ready for Obama and what - he doesn't have the experience to win. And what she's going to mean is that they won't vote for an African American, but she won't say it. She'll say everything but, but that's what she means. And we'll see if that works, I hope it doesn't."
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im so sick of hearing about the elections....
bush is loving it, great smokescreen!
I met Dick Morris's father a few years ago. He was a mean-spirited, foul-mouthed, misogynistic man. The apple doesn't fall far from that tree.
Well, Dick has never been above being a dick, so it all works out.
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His argument, while unfounded, is at least well formed. I wonder if he tried it out first with some of his prostitutes.
Sorry
I want to know how Sean is feeling now that his BFF Rudy 9iu11liani is in last place.
dBa @ 3:
they pull out these dicks whenever things look good for progressives and democrats.
it avoids having to look at the repuglicans' record.
Even though he is truly a "Dick", he's right. Just like all the little Hillbots are using the "everyone is picking on Hillary cuz she's a woman" smokescreen. Face it Hillary. You could be a black, hispanic, female Ghandi, and people would not vote for you. It's YOU! Has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or sex. You come across as a shrill, corporate puppet. Nothing more, nothing less.
More proof that Faux Noise gets all their neurotic, deranged mouth pieces right from the nearest Mental hospital.
Dick constantly puts his own DICK in his own mouth.
He is wrong. Jesse Jackson did not run in the 1992 election.
I am not a big Clinton fan, the Sistah Souljah incident was disgraceful, imho, but let's not take what Dick Morris says too seriously. He can't even get his facts straight. Jesse Jackson invited Clinton to speak, he was not running against him.
In other words ... "I can't prove that Hillary is a racist, but I dislike her so much I've convinced myself she could be. Therefore, she brought this on herself."
Why do we have to hear what this toe sucking twit has to say!
Is there anyone employed by Fox that isn't a sex offender or criminal?
This proves that Fox News is not above using 'Dumb' to beat themselves to death.
If 24/7 masturbation doesn't do them in first.
Right wing media logic:
1. If she does everything but race-baiting, she's race-bating.
2. If Clinton had NOT attacked Sista Souljah, Jesse Jackson would be president today!
HA ha ha ha!
morally bankrupt...but who better to analyze the clintons
Reminds me of that jon stewart bit...
Dick Morris can't get his toe sucked by a hooker without it going out on the ap wire...
Anyone notice that Dick Morris has no neck!
Not that I doubt the dark heart of any politician but I had no idea these political hacks could tell the future and read minds. Someone needs to call Ripley's !
And I agree with the comment that the all-out and way over the top election 'coverage' is nothing more than a mask that the msm is using to hide their buddies in the shrub co. criminal enterprise.
Unbelievable! And now this will get forwarded throughout the MSM to make people think that Clinton has actually said something racist. As I said, it's just unbelievable.
Hey, liar with an obvious agenda, put the fucking fork down!
The Dick will say or do anything to diss Democrats, and especially the Clintons. Put this in context. Nobody but the choir and the bloggers are listening.
Preacher Boob @ 16:
WHAT? Is Falafel boy going to a round-the-clock format on Faux? Ick.
It's frickin' brilliant to have Colmes provide the "balance," since he's an idiot.
When someone is spewing -- in this case, Morris -- you make it worse when you try to shut them down with BS. Not only does it fail to slow them down, but when you try to use BS -- in this case, the idea that Clinton's reply to Sister Soulja wasn't planned -- then you actually give them more momentum, since every time a hack successfully fights off an attack they appear more credible.
At the same time as finding both of these people rather distasteful, I can't help but agree with Morris' basic point: that Clinton will go negative and she'll do it very soon and very nastily. If I didn't care so much, I'd find it entertaining.
Drudge is stating also that Hillary is going to drop out. Total BS. Obama is leading now but Hillary still has a huge base.
Some of us are capable of voting for the candidate we want not the candidate they want. Fox News wants Obama because they know he will be easier to beat in a general election.
Dick Morris is slime who has several times made very false and slanderous statements about Hillary. I hope she gets the chance soon the bitch slap him.
An observation: I googled "Electoral Votes by State" and find that Iowa and N.Hampshire
have a total of 11 Elec. Votes(7 in Iowa and 4 in N. Hampshire). Those 11 elec. votes
represent less than one third of one percent of the total 270 Elec. votes needed(out of 538) to be declared the winner. How is it that the main stream media(as is being reported
today) can be considered a creditable/reliable source when it is forecasting that Obama
is "running away" from Hillary? Is the MSM implying that the remaining 49 States, still
to hold their respective Primaries, do not count and that we(the voters) are like Lemmings
and will follow suit? Just saying...
So according to Dick Morris anything to do with Obama has something to do with race.
Speaking of Jessie J., I hope Sen. Obama tells him and Al Sharpton to take a hike. As a African American, I think these two attention seekers should, for everyone's benefit, help by staying underground. They simply can't help. Remember Ned Lamont and the pictures of these two firestarters stealing credit for his victory?
okieguy @ 27:
You could well be correct, but, if so, then I'd say that they're moving too soon.
WTF? you say.
The sooner that you narrow it down to Edwards vs Obama or Clinton (but not Edwards vs both at the same time), the sooner the M$M will have to cover Edwards. And the sooner the M$M gives Edwards some real attention, the more likely he is to win the nomination.
okieguy @ 27:
Really? Don't think so. Faux Luvs them some Hillary. They know the more attention given to her (good or bad, doesn't matter) the better chance she has. Remember they helped Bush get elected the second time.
NEW YORK - Media mogul Rupert Murdoch, whose Fox News Channel and other conservative news outlets have been skewering Hillary Rodham Clinton for years, will host a summer fund-raiser for the senator, mystifying some observers and enraging others.
Especially incensed are liberal activists, who for months have decried what they see as a shift to a right on Clinton’s part as the Democrat contemplates a run for president in 2008. They are stunned that she is associating with a man viewed as a cornerstone of the “vast right-wing conspiracy,” a term Clinton herself employed.
“Hillary, help us. Who the hell are you?” thundered Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen.
What would the world be without a Clinton to bash? Obama is getting younger people engaged. Very good. It's about time. But I ask, where was the 18-21 year old demographic when us "old people" they are now slamming and bashing and belittling were battling our asses off to put Gore over the top in 2000?
Nothing personal just think about it.
Why, she's the Democratic Party's answer to John McCain of course.
I recall that the "Sistah Souljah" incident was seen at the time as an effort by Clinton to show that he wasn't beholden to the black community and other liberal special interests.
Part of a "triangulation" strategy - a move to the middle.
I'm not a gung-ho HC fan, but to listen to a low-life like Dick Morris talk trash with a career like he's had is laughable ... makes me want to bathe. This is a man who worked for Trent Lott and Jesse Helms and in typical republican fashion enjoys recreational sex with prostitutes. At least Fox likes him.
Didn't you know it wouldn't take long before they started accusing Hillary Clinton of using the race card. I guess the MSM is deaf, dumb and blind. They haven't said a word or reported a flash about Obama using it. And oh by the way. What's the difference in using the race card when Obama and the rest of the candidates have been using the GENDER card against Hillary since she declared her campaign.
And the press well hell they love to play the gender card, the hate card, the vile card, the swiftboating card and any thing else they can pull out of the rove dirty tricks bag against Hillary Clinton. You know the campaign THEY HAVE had against her for the last 20 years.
Since Obama is such a weakling and is not supposed to be critized do you think he would be cowering in one of cheney's undisclosed locations if he had to contend with the daily dose of hate and vile Hillary Clinton has to put up with.
Mr. Morris, meet irrelevance.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
Gore won L.A. The election results were fraudulent. That isn't young people's fault although they have quite a few faults. A better question would be, Who the hell are these millions of morons that actually voted FOR Bush twice?
Dick: hey Sean, my new hooker wants to say hi from my bedroom.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
My recollection is that Generation X was trying to get a job and Generation Y wasn't quite old enough to vote. I agree that they weren't very much help.
Of course if Obama goes on to win the nomination, it will be perfectly acceptable if the Republican candidate does the same thing, right Dick?
Does anyone know the the percentage of viewers watch Faux News? I can't believe so many people are so stupid.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
You are so so right. And remember the so called campaign the YOUNG people had when they said they were going to vote in 2004. Gee they didn't show up did they. And I love the fact that Obama is now calling on Ted Kennedy to quit because he is too old. Ted Kennedy who fought more than any other person in the senate to get civil rights for Obama and his people. If it hadn't been for Ted Kennedy and his fight where do you think Obama would be now, not running for president. And his panning of labor, the unions and Al Gore and John Kerry saying the divided this country, what in the hell is he doing. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THE OLD FOLKS AGAINST YOU BUDDY.
jr @ 15:
Bill Hemmer? Nah, probably not.
Doggiebobo @ 28:
I have always felt that this is what they want or even insist that we believe. That once the first primary is over, the race can be safely called and we can all go back to bed. I will admit that the first primaries are always high interest because this is where we get the first real idea of what people are thinking, of who has really made an impression and which way the party itself may be headed. But as an absolute predictor of the future outcome? Not by a long shot.
That sort of thing is just wishful or lazy thinking.
ConcernedCanuck @ 39:
They are the people you find at Church, not the clubs and hip spots.
From Wikipedia, the criticism of Sister Souljah was based on her statement:
“If Black people kill Black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?”
Morris is either stupid or a liar, or both.
Why doesn't anyone ever snag Morris for an interview about something on which he is an expert?
Like how much to tip an Dominatrix who specializes in beating your pecker with the heels of her spangled boots?
Okay, Morris got his nano second of attention. Let's move on.
Suggesting something might happen doesn't mean it will. If that were the case, cheney would already be impeached along with bush right behind him. We all have been suggesting that should happen.
Why attack a politician for something she actually said, when Dick Morris can just speculate about something she theoretically might say and attack her for that?
Marge @ 37:
I could not agree more. Only I would put the MSM in the catagory of "dumb" only;
owned/controlled by the the corporations and big business and most assurely, NOT
representative of we the people. Wouldn't it be wonderful if ALL of the MSM were,
like the Screen Writers Guild, to go on strike and we would not have to read/view
their biased/slanted opionions for the next 10 months.
By the way, comment registration is open at Hot Air if anyone is interested.
Marge @ 44:
When did Obam call for Kennedy to step down? When did he say Gore and Kerry divided the country?
The clinton machine has finally self-destructed....latest polls she will lose NH......BYE BYE BILLary!!!
Bill Clinton went through on the execution of the lobotomized black man named Ricky Ray Rector shortly before the New Hampshire vote in 1992. The prison chaplain eventually resigned over the decision. One might try to defend Clinton for making his stance on the death penalty clear, but it's hard not to see the event as both a state murder and an attempt to court the racist underbelly of much of the American electorate while distracting from the budding Flowers mess. The fact that this incident is not more widely remembered - as the silly Cosby-esque grandstanding of the Sistah Souljah speech is - shows that much of the national consciousness has not made the step out of the de jure apartheid state that was only vanquished forty years ago. This closeted racism - see Krugman's new book on how the new right has subtly exploited it to win elections - makes me leery of Obama's chances at the top of the ticket in the general election. Obama is also at best a charismatic center-right senator. Edwards has moved center-left and is likely most the electable given the above.
Dick Morris, while he is a blowhard, should know this scummy part of the Clinton psyche, which is certainly an element of her touted political experience.
For more on this issue and other reasons why the left should loathe the Clintons see Christopher Hitchens' "No One Left to Lie to." Of course, Hitchens has long since sold out to the more lucrative ring-wing of the pundit class, but this polemic is still a fine piece of work showing how both Clintonism and Third Way politics destroys leftist principles and accomplishments (i.e. doing more than Gingrinch to destroy, not "reform," welfare so as to create a permanent indentured serf class who can work for his campaigns' corporate contributors).
See
http://www.amazon.ca/One-Left-Lie-Christopher-Hitchens/dp/product-descri...
Hey Crooks and Liars...yes, Dick Morris is an easy target...but please stop with your weak defense of Hillary Clinton every single day. She's a hawk, not a progressive. You are one of the best sites on the internet...please stop making excuses for HIllary..it's sickening.
In all honesty, I think there is more truth in what he said that what we would like to believe. The elite in power, if they want to save the Republican party, know that the only candidate that Republicans could win against would be Obama. I expect Obama will receive much money to his campaign from the big donors so that he will indeed win his party's nomination (Democratic). It's the Republican's only chance.
Does a Fox News contract get signed in blood? What does a soul go for these days?
pissed off patricia @ 54:
I think Marge is off her meds or with all the meds out there, maybe she's on too many.
okieguy @ 27:
I think Morris is a scumbag, but this is the sort of nebulous comment I've been seeing since Obama's win in Iowa on this very site, on comments sections, first from angry Edwards folks and then from Hillary folks.
So, I have to say that Morris is right about the argument that's been coming from Hillary's supporters at least on these blogs. Over and over again it's the "don't nominate a black guy" thread again and again. It's been more direct than Morris said.
For odious race-laden examples of this line of attack, see:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/04/barack-obamas-victory-speech-in...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/05/democratic-new-hampshire-debate...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/04/the-freepers-attack-obama/
But put on a hazmat suit because it got ugly at times...
If Hillary's 'base' keeps shrinking, after she loses the election, she'll be able to do 'After' commercials for Weight Watchers, without needing an 'Ass-Compressing' girdle.
Where is this guy's neck??????? HE HAS NO NECK!!
Not everyone thinks like you DICK.
God help rupert Murdoch and Crew if the FCC is ever restored to integrity.
Preacher Boob @ 62:
Why is it the press never shows BILLary's ass........ is it too large?
Marge @ 44:
If Bush Sr had won a second term TV would still probably be our main source of electronic media.
I find it pretty amusing how the net generation going for Obama are bashing them old people the Clintons for not having done anything to improve their lot in life. Despite the fact the Clintons played a major role in empowering the technology industry to put affordable computers and internet in the homes of just about every American.
If the dems have nothing to hide why won't they appear on FOX? Because they know the questions will be tough!
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
Uh. Yeah. It took me just a sec to think about it.
Those 18-21 year olds weren't old enough to vote.
I have to say, this is so illogical.
But I have to say that the overall message in your post is:
"These young fripperfrappers with all their damnable "excitement"! Harumph!!
Where did they come from!! How dare they get all excited about going to vote!!"
Will we hear this Scooby-Doo episode line from Hillary supporters on election night?
"If it weren't for those meddlin' kids we would've gotten away with it!"
In the US black men got to vote before both white and black women. Why should it be more upsetting with a male president than with a female one.
I don't think political sensibilities have changed that much the last hundred years - USA will have a black president before they'll elect any woman to president and for all talk about how progressive Obama is he will appeal more to the traditionalists than the other candidates.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
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i'm agreeing with that assesment. the first time voter brings a lot of enthusiam but immature judgement. they are most likely to back their idea of a glam runner and most likely to stay home if their guy (or gal) doesn't make the nomination.
we won't even mention how sometimes large groups of the young and impressionable will back, to the very bloody end, a candidate that has absolutely no chance to win the general election. unable to give up on an overly idealistic candidate vs one who is close in philosophy to their original choice. cough nader cough.
Racism = not ok
Misogyny = ok
What a messed up world...
This is now officially a dishonest blog. Shame on you John.
From http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/multimedia/timeline/9809/starr.report/cnn.co...
...
During a speech to the Rainbow Coalition in Washington on June 13, Clinton angered Jesse Jackson by criticizing a rap artist named Sister Soulja.
Clinton said: "You had a rap singer here last night named Sister Soulja. I defend her right to express herself through music, but her comments before and after Los Angeles were filled with a kind of hatred that you do not honor today and tonight. Just listen to this, what she said. She told the Washington Post about a month ago, and I quote, 'if black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?' Last year she said, 'you can't call me or any black person anywhere in the world racist. We don't have the power to do to white people what white people have done to us. And even if we did, we don't have that lowdown, dirty nature. If there are any good white people, I haven't met them.'"
...
Murphy, you know perfectly damn well about Dick Morris and how he loves to smear the Clintons. It appears you are a smear merchant as well.
John, yesterday you continued pandering to the salacious side of pointless politics with your manufactured 'news' piece on O'Reilly while the New York Times reported that the US escalated their war in Pakistan without as much as a mention from you. And now you publish a hit piece by logan murphy little better than the swine he quotes.
You are now officially 'as good' a blogger as Arriana Huffingon.
Congratulations.
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Jenny'O @ 71:
the first time voter brings a lot of enthusiam but immature judgement.
they are most likely to back their idea of a glam runner and most likely to stay home if their guy (or gal) doesn't make the nomination.
we won't even mention how sometimes large groups of the young and impressionable will back, to the very bloody end, a candidate that has absolutely no chance to win the general election. unable to give up on an overly idealistic candidate vs one who is close in philosophy to their original choice. cough nader cough.
TRANSLATION:
“These young fripperfrappers with all their damnable “excitement”! Harumph!!
Where did they come from!! How dare they get all excited about going to vote!!”
“If it weren’t for those meddlin’ kids we could win!”
"I wish they'd all go away so that us intelligent wise adults can make the important decisions."
What a winning strategery there Jenny.
L.A. Confidential @ 67:
Yeah and gore ivented the internet...
ConcernedCanuck @ 9:
Evidently, it must be "her" that's the problem; considering Obama's voting record is identical except for 4 minor votes.
Stuff it.
otto @ 57:
You know what's worse than blowhards like Dick Morris preemptively accusing Hillary Clinton of playing the race card? The anti-Clinton fervor has reached such a pitch that even in threads like this supposed liberals are showing their true colours by defending FOX News and their pundits over Clinton herself. Worse yet, they're so blinded that they believe "Crooks & Liars" is defending Clinton "every single day," when most contributors here actually join in the smearing. I think the whole world has gone insane.
jim sullivan @ 75:
You're being dishonest; he never said he invented the internet.
What part of "Clinton/Gore" played a major role in empowering the tech industry/internet access do you not get?
This is evident in the bills sponsored/causes supported by the Pres/Vice Pres in the 1990s.
Yes, it would have surfaced eventually, but without government support, it would have taken much longer.
Get with the program.
Wondermachine @ 69:
I don't view kids from that kind of hillbilly perspective. Kids will always rebel against their elders in one form or another.
I just find it interesting watching the Half Life, Tech Warrior, Doom, and Warcraft generation finally discovering a real world exists outside what is on their monitor. That can't be fixed with a delete key.
Josh @ 76:
Howzabout I unstuff it for you. I'll vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is and campaign for her or him, as I have for every election of my adult life (I'm in my forties but not won over by the "damnable kids" line that's spreading around) but the fact is that Hillary has moved from her progressive positions since she left the White House. She became a hawk, she voted for this war --- which is the WORST FOREIGN POLICY DISASTER IN OUR HISTORY AND IN OUR LIFETIME PROBABLY -- and she has never apologized for it. She's just curved herself around it.
You ask her one time, time-tested, real progressive champions what they think of Hillary. Ask Marian Wright Edelman from the Children's Defense Fund who was at one time a real Hillary booster before she was sold out by "Welfare quote-unquote reform."
So, it has nothing to do with her. It has everything to do with what Hillary Clinton has done. And who she employs. Mark Penn, the sleaziest, most lobbying/corporatist hack moneybags around. This guy is at the top of her campaign.
So, don't give me the whole "it's because she's a she" argument. You can peddle that with the lesser informed, more ahistorical set. But not with me.
Wondermachine...
this is what a real feminist looks like...
Project much, Dick?
Josh@76 Agreed. Sorry folks, Hillary sucks. Not liking her because she has run an awful, arrogant, campaign doesn't make one a misogynist.
L.A. Confidential @ 79:
I don't view kids from that kind of hillbilly perspective. Kids will always rebel against their elders in one form or another.
I just find it interesting watching the Half Life, Tech Warrior, Doom, and Warcraft generation finally discovering a real world exists outside what is on their monitor. That can't be fixed with a delete key.
Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying. They're just rebelling at their elders.
Sadly, one look at the Iowa caucuses just BLOWS this line of argument to SMITHEREENS!
Like how Obama actually captured majorities in EVERYONE below 60 years of age.
So, I guess those feisty 50 year olds are rebelling against their wiser 60 year olds.
Seriously. Who let David Broder on these blogs?
Left&Left @ 82:
The catch 22 is if Obama is elected a lot of young people could end up with "boots on the ground" in Pakistan if Obama has to bomb the Western border.
So the idealism is fine, but there are other more sinister agendas lurking about and blindly following idealism is no better then blindly following dogma.
Wondermachine @ 61:
Wondermachine @ 61:
It's true that there have been many anti-O'Bama posts here and it's also true that many have (inaccurately) labeled the comments as based on race - or implied as much, just as you have - by connecting us to Morris.
It seems that there are those that see an anti-O'Bama sentiment as 'racist' just as the sick smear merchant Morris insisted Clintons comments about Soulja were racist and out of context. (Anyone at the time would have understood the context. Certainly Jackson's organization would have).
So how clean are your hands ... and John's hands? Criticizing smears with smears ... and you are better than ... who was it ... might it be ... no one?
Murphy loads his gun with Morris ammo, takes aim and fires ... splat ... nice shot.
A regular Edward R Murrow.
jim sullivan @ 68:
Come on leftys .....no response?
Wondermachine @ 83:
Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying. They're just rebelling at their elders.
Sadly, one look at the Iowa caucuses just BLOWS this line of argument to SMITHEREENS!
Like how Obama actually captured majorities in EVERYONE below 60 years of age.
So, I guess those feisty 50 year olds are rebelling against their wiser 60 year olds.
Seriously. Who let David Broder on these blogs?
No no no I understand there are older people interested in listening what Obama has to offer including myself.
The point I am trying to make is the Republicans will rally around whoever the candidate ends up being just to retain power, and the Democrats will split off and divide themselves with protest votes, tossing wrenches in the system, not bothering to vote, and stuff like that. And risk losing it or giving it away in the process.
jim sullivan @ 87:
I chuckled mildly to myself, that's the best I can do for you.
jim sullivan @ 87:
The dems refuse3 to debate with idiots on Fox news. Everybody loses. Fox is the spin channel. And no one is really interested in your twisted views,
Logan Murphy @ 89:
Not a fellow Irishmen ?????
jim sullivan @ 68:
Josh @ 76:
Kyl-Lieberman was a "minor" vote??? Go away. (Unless you meant to suggest that not voting is the same as voting in favor, which is both subtle and something I happen to agree with; in that case, please stay.)
Ron @ 90:
The dems are only interested in the softball questions from the left leaning media.
jim sullivan @ 87:
The lack of response is a deep sign that you have won. None of the "leftys" believe in welfare any more. You won the argument. They are all converted.
Hence, they don't feed trolls any more. Instead, they suggest that you get a job and feed yourself.
Dick who?
If Hillary goes after Obama using the race card - whether openly or subliminally - she'll be through. She'll not only piss off a great many undecided Dems and Indies but also many of her own supporters, especially the black supporters who have always backed her and Bill. This is the stupidest political move imaginable, if true (and coming from the mouth of Dick Morris, that's a really big "if").
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting pissed at Hill and Bill. At first I was hoping for a Clinton/Obama ticket, but now I'm wanting Obama/Edwards. Yeah, a black guy and a populist will drive the RW fuckwads insane. I can see them using the terms "Obama Hussein" and "socialist" until their faces turn blue, but they won't know what to do when the Dems keep pointing their fingers at GWB and how the Rethugs supported his disaster of a presidency. They can't run away from Bush, and if the MSM thinks that Iraq has gone away as a campaign issue, wait until things heat up again, as they most surely will. The economy is tanking, and people are not taking kindly to the amount of money thrown into the Iraq sinkhole with nothing to show for it but tragically lost lives and enormous deficits. The housing markets are just getting worse, as is the job market, and Bush just lives in his little dream world, as are the rest of the Rethugs.
But as to Hillary: when she said that she thought Obama was too "liberal", that's when I finally told myself that she and Bill can go fuck themselves. And I REALLY hate the way Bill goes around saying how buddy-buddy he is with that fucking criminal G.H.W.Bush. People constantly tell me how much better a president Clinton was compared to GWB. Well, the head of my dick is a great president compared to GWB, so quit using that fucking argument,. But I am really, really sick of these sellout, traitorous DLC Dems screaming about bipartisanship and how we should be building bridges to appease the Rethugs. FUCK THEM! I want to make those mother-fuckers squirm, and if we win the presidency and the Congress in November, and the Rethugs start using the filibuster again to thwart us, I say it's about time to end the filibuster. It has only given them an advantage, because most of the old, pussy Dems are afraid to use it (re:Alito, Roberts, etc.). Conservative Rethugs have shot their wad, and ruined our nation. Time to grind those SOBs into talcum powder. Is anybody with me?
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jim sullivan @ 94:
Again, no one is interested in your views. What left wing media are you referring to? The NY Times that just hired William the bloody Kristol?
Morris is such a bozo. I am sick of seeing his face. If he hates the Clintons so much, and if he in this segment is focusing on that "Sista Soulja" moment in 1992, then why in the world did he start advising Clinton a short time later and eventually get involved with running Clinton's reelection strategy? Shameless opportunist, this bastard is.
jim sullivan @ 87:
O.K., if you insist and are in need of a pacifier. "With people like O'Liely, Hannity, Brit
Hummmm, Barnes, and all the other Faux Noise "all stars", we lefties don't need any
more political pundit comedians...there are more than enough on the other media outlets.
Doggiebobo @ 101:
doggie doo doo must watch FOX on the regular.
Wondermachine @ 74:
TRANSLATION:
“These young fripperfrappers with all their damnable “excitement”! Harumph!!
Where did they come from!! How dare they get all excited about going to vote!!”
“If it weren’t for those meddlin’ kids we could win!”
"I wish they'd all go away so that us intelligent wise adults can make the important decisions."
What a winning strategery there Jenny.
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i have been a young 'fripper frapper' (as old as i am i have never heard the term fripper frapper) before so i know how fripper frappers think.
if your guy don't get the nod you might stay home and sleep late.
i know how the young feel because i used to be there.
not all young idealistic are fripper frappers some of them are serious and mature beyond their years...that phrase translated for you is that 'beyond their years' means that the majority of people 'of those years' are not as cooked as someone in their 30's, 40's and 50's.
and by the way i am now a fripper frapper in my 50's and find that i still have a lot to learn from the young and from those older and wiser than myself.
signed -- former 20 something fripper frapper who slept through some elections.
jim sullivan @ 87:
Jim it's because the Dems know that if they go on Fox, the minute they start to explain their positions with intelligence and poise some idiotic Fox Shill will start interrupting them and blast a barrage of talking points at them the second a Dem starts actually making sense about the issues we have to address in this country.
People are always saying Edwards campaign is lacking in enthusiasm because he doesnt have the "excitment" around becoming the first black or first woman president. Basically these folks are saying he is unelectble because of his "race" and gender (as well as his truly progressive agenda). Were is the outrage against this racism and bigotry directed at Edwards???
Since I have Cherokee blood, should I get to call myself A Native American and call anyone racist who disagrees with me?
The wool is being pulled over your eyes Obama supporters! Obama represents less change than Edwards does. While Edwards fights for progressive causes, Obama comprimises with right wingers and settles in a less changed middle.
Logan Murphy @ 89:
Come on leftys .....no response?
Oh please homeboy. How about for the same reason I don't back a loaf of bread in an easybake oven.
Fox News is not a news network. It's nothing but a front for the Republican party and you know it.
The brainchild and current head of it did media for Nixon, then Reagan, then Bush.
There is no balance dude.
It's a joke. It's slandered the Democratic party and so many of its candidates. It's peddled the lies of Republican operatives.
Move along Jimbo.
L.A. Confidential @ 104:
Its not that at all .....just fear of being exposed as phonies
jim sullivan @ 107:
Not it's not at all. If you idiots would learn how to shut up and actually listen for the first time in your life you might learn something.
jim sullivan @ 107:
Okay, you got your responses. Move along now. Your mothers calling you. Time to change your diaper and take your nap.
Josh @ 76:
Matters not. Look on C&L's latest Blog roundup and you'll see the fix is in, so you HillBots can relax. She won. It's over. But it all sounded good. I'll show you:
Barack Obama’s stirring victory in Iowa was also a good night for our democracy. The turnout broke records and young people - who were mobilized and organized - participated in unprecedented numbers. And now that Iowans have spoken - the first citizens in the nation to do so - here’s the Democratic delegate count for the top three candidates (2,025 delegates are needed to secure the nomination):
Clinton - 169
Obama - 66
Edwards - 47
“Huh?” you say. “vanden Heuvel, you made a MAJOR typo.”
In fact, those numbers are correct: the third-place finishing Sen. Hillary Clinton now has over twice as many delegates as Sen. Obama, and more than three times as many delegates as the second-place candidate, Sen. John Edwards. Why? Because the Democratic Party uses an antiquated and anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 “super-delegates” - un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination. Many have already announced the candidate they will support.
Shawnmeat @ 77:
You know what's worse than blowhards like Dick Morris preemptively accusing Hillary Clinton of playing the race card? The anti-Clinton fervor has reached such a pitch that even in threads like this supposed liberals are showing their true colours by defending FOX News and their pundits over Clinton herself. Worse yet, they're so blinded that they believe "Crooks & Liars" is defending Clinton "every single day," when most contributors here actually join in the smearing. I think the whole world has gone insane.
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who are these supposed liberals? i didn't have to show my liberal card to get in or make comments.
please read all the comments on all the articles and you'll see all kinds of people comment on this blog.
the site itself hardly ever screams "Shut Up!" or "Cut his mike." the site monitors can remove comments if they are really offensive but for the most part the commeters themselves will take on the blatant blarney.
JTM @ 26:
The above applies not only to hacks, but to everyone else. So, thanks, Jim, for making the progressive view more credible. Please continue to help us in this cause. In fact, please don't limit yourself to this site. Please post your pearls of wisdom as widely as possible. We'll still be here when you get back.
L.A. Confidential @ 47:
That is who Dems should be pissed at then. In my opinion. Anybody that blatantly stupid to not only vote for the moron once, but TWICE, needs a labotomy or something.
Mommy, I want more hate....!
jim sullivan @ 102:
Far from the truth...that is, as to being a "regular" Faux Noise viewer; however, I
do admit that I do, infrequently and occassionally, tune-in in order to be informed
as to what biased/slanted/misinformation is being presented by the "other side";
this way I am at least keeping informed regarding the propoganda/lies being
put before the 16 or 17 viewers who regularly watch Faux.
Sadly for the Hilbots (and not included on that blog roundup) the super delegates are getting squirmy and jumping of the Goodship Clinton.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1700705,00.html
"Clinton Machine Shaken by Setback"
The scope of Barack Obama's victory in Iowa has shaken the Clinton machine down to its bolts. Donors are panicking. The campaign has been making a round of calls to reassure notoriously fickle "superdelegates" — elected officials and party regulars who are awarded convention spots by virtue of their titles and positions — who might be reconsidering their decisions to back the candidate who formerly looked like a sure winner. And internally, a round of recriminations is being aimed at her chief strategist, Mark Penn, as the representative of everything about her pseudo-incumbent campaign that has been too cautious, too arrogant, too conventional and too clueless as to how much the political landscape has shifted since the last Clinton reign. One adviser summed up the biggest challenge that faces the campaign in two words: "Fresh thinking."
below_me @ 1:
Then what may I ask are you doing on a political blog site?
Translation: "He's black and reich-wingers hate minorities"
General Jack D. Ripper @ 100:
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he likes prostitutes because he can so identify.
also he's the usual right wing perv.
It's not out of bounds at all to think that race may enter this primary. Hillary has already used gender several times as an excuse for what has transpired at the debates. And when she talks about Obama's "electability" the only thing that makes him "unelectable" in a general election is his race. So it's pretty thinly-veiled and will probably continue.
Jenny'O @ 119:
This is the best line of the day. Gave me a good strong chuckle. So spot on!
Labor Nrrd wrote:
i am so glad somebody pointed this out. jackson didn't even run in 1992. clinton beat jerry brown in the 1992 NY primary. paul tsongas (a withdrawn candidate) finished 2nd. tsongas, since he was still on the ballot, was a place for people that couldn't stomach either bill or jerry to go.
dick morris is an idiot, but, it is hard to believe hannity and colmes have such little knowledge of history, that neither called morris out on his clueless statement about clinton beating jackson in NY in 1992.
Morris just laid out the Repub playbook on how they will attack Obama, just as I've been saying all along. The Repubs want two scalps this election. First they want to take Hillary down, then they want to destroy Obama. Repubs can't stand powerful women and any black man that tries to be a leader. The Repub party has a "White Men Only" sign on the door.
For a bunch of people who hate Fox News so much, you sure spend a large amount of time watching, talking, and crying about the station. You must be their most loyal viewers.
Dick is still mad that he lost out to Danny Devito for the roll of the Penguin in Batman 2.
I don't know if Morris is uglier on the outside or the inside anymore.
It surprising that this little weasel still manages to find his way on to tv at all... but after all it is FAUX News Network.
What an absolute scumbag. "Experience" now means "race"? Does that mean she's slamming John Edwards on racial lines as well?
Morris accuses Hillary Clinton of being a race-baiting phony, but doesn't just say she'll employ a racist strategy, she's such a phony she won't come out and say this. His evidence? That he despises her and thinks she's a phony. It's no secret that Morris hates her. It's especially putrid here considering the genuinely bigoted pandering from several conservative candidates.
Yet another example of how Fox News is mostly just a propaganda outlet.
zippy @ 124:
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just to point out a teeny tiny fact for you--this site is called "Crooks and Liars".
Fox has an enless supply.
why shop anywhere else:)
Or, he is just the latest surrogate that says something her campaign can't. Get's people thinking about it and then crawls back into his hole with his check fro Hillary's slush fund in his grubby little fingers.
The guy is basically "feeding the fox", and fox eats it up as it loves this knd of dirt. I don't believe she would do it. No wonder this clown is a former aid.
Sigh @ 128:
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hey, dick morris, your stategy is working.
i hate the toe sucker, but has anyone here been reading what the clitonistas have been writing here?? its exactly what the perv says
Dr. Matt @ 118:
Jettison the south and midwest and Obama could probably win in a landslide, especially after 8 years of Bush. Otherwise, it remains to be seen if Obama wins the generals if he gets the nomination. You know there is history in parts of this country to base this concern on. One little piece of Carter Wren's gems that comes to mind (Carter Wren an earlier version of Karl Rove) was the now infamous "White hands" campaign ad the Republicans used against African American Harvey Gantt in North Carolina in his unsuccessful bid to unseat racist segregationist and all around homophobe Jesse Helms in the US senate. Gantt was 5 or 6 points ahead of Helms in the closing weeks of the election then the Helms campaigned unleashed their secret weapon, this television ad ran non-stop day and night in the closing days to the election http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzk Helms ends up beating Gantt by 5 or 6 points.... a 10 point swing in just a couple of weeks.
Then there was the election before Gantt when Helm's opponent was Nick Galifianakis. The Helms campaign launched ads "Vote Helms, he's one of us" a direct swipe at Galifianakis's greek heritage and not being a "true white southerner" like Helms. Helms one that election too.
Yes this was a long time ago and Obama did win Iowa and looks to win New Hampshire but this is not the generals and I'm just saying has some parts of the country moved beyond this type of race baiting by the Republican Party? Hopefully so but it remains to be seen if Obama gets the nomination because the Republcian dirty tricks, smears, swiftboating and race baiting are sure to come.
Oh, and note the wedding band in the "White Hands" ad. Not only is the guy white, he's also straight and married! This ad killed two birds with one stone. Helms gay bashing running against "San Francisco values was used to win close elections as well. In his 5 or 6 terms Helms never won by more than approx 5% of the vote but many saw Helm's inevitable race and gay baiting in the closing days of the election was what always put him on top. We'll see if history repeats.
From Wikipedia:
"...he [Morris] had allowed a prostitute, Sherry Rowlands, to listen in on conversations with the President."
It doesn't get lower than this, with the exception of honoring this piece of crap as a mouthpiece on Fux News.
Yes, mistakes were made in his past...but some mistakes should never be forgotten.
Go away, Morris: No judgment on your part can be considered valid or even interesting.
election_2008 @ 122:
So that's two major errors in Morris' BS - Jackson wasn't in the race and Clinton criticized Sister Souljah for making a statement urging black people to kill whites, not for anything to do with the National Anthem.
In answer to the question by Jim Sullied Van - It's because reality is for people who can't handle FAUX News
jim sullivan @ 68:
Why would the Democrats give the reich-wing propaganda channel any legitimacy by appearing on faux? There is a reason why reich-wingers like you defend faux with such passion....because you kool-aide drinkers have no shame bowing to your reich-wing masters.
Given that the supposed topic is what Clinton might do next to make a comeback, I would hazard the following suggestion: fire whoever had the idea of saying (at the NH debate) that Obama said that Edwards wasn't electable. Or, if it was her own idea, hire somebody who has a better idea of who Edwards is. That ploy not only failed to hurt Obama, but it seemed to fire up Edwards. And, worse: if and when people fact-check Clinton's claim, they'll find that it's false. All in all, a rather dumb move.
Unfortunately, I doubt that the Clinton campaign will see this as a mistake and, also worse: I still think that Morris is correct that she'll go nastily negative very soon. I hope that she doesn't do too much damage to Democrats in general.
With Drudge, Huffingtonpost and the media bashing Hillary 24/7 why does this putz think his bs is even needed? Hillary-hate is already so thick I think I fully expect Vince Foster to be reanimated by force of it.
bubba @ 137:
Tsk tsk tsk.
Why would "Hillary hate" reanimate Vince Foster? Seems you're buying into the Republican lies about Vince Foster being an incriminating enemy of Hillary.
Shame on you Bubba.
For shame.
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Toe-sucker Morris looks like a mash-up between Mel Brooks, Howie Long and Mike Ditka. Where's his neck? And is his head inflating in that photograph?
But I ask, where was the 18-21 year old demographic when us “old people” they are now slamming and bashing and belittling were battling our asses off to put Gore over the top in 2000?
Nothing personal just think about it.
Uh. Yeah. It took me just a sec to think about it.
Those 18-21 year olds weren’t old enough to vote.
I have to say, this is so illogical.
You might want to read that again. The key word is *demographic*, meaning the folks who were in the 18-21 year old age group during the 2000 campaign. This has absolutely nothing to do with people who were not old enough to vote in that election or any other.
I wasnt accusing Hillary of killing vince foster, just an off-hand reference to the trailer-park republicans who believe that pap. It wouldnt shock me to see Ariania suddenly bring it up though.
I never thought I would see such an unholy alliance of liberal blogerati and gop talking points. Though some of it (Hill=Bush) reminds me of naderite rhetoric (Gore=Bush). Similar rhetoric and every bit as deranged.
Rejecting a candidate and forming a circular firing squad are two different things.
give me a break, jesus, dick morris has not successfully masturbated in 10 yrs.
As I recall, Morris is really good at sucking toes, or having them sucked.
Good qualifications for the job of pundit.
Only Fox would give airtime to a guy who was ostracized from the Clinton White House because he called Clinton on the phone while in bed with a whore, then put her in the phone w/Clinton to impress her. Dick Morris is a pig.
Did he have to take someone's toes out of his mouth to spit that comment out?
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Preacher Boob @ 16:
Thank you for saying this.
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With nothing else to do here comes the race card. After reading all the comments above only one thing was left out of his funny story.
Bill Clinton was the first black President now would Hillary will talking about her husband to.
Only smell minded idiots who are non educated and use races because they don't know any better would come up with this story. We have seen the great leaders and people of the United States who look as Americans as equal. I notice when people want to put down black people they seem to forget the Traffic lights, refrigerator, penicillin, White House and so many things we all take for granted were developed by Blacks. So when go to the refrigerator to get that cold beer smile it was a black man who allowed it to happen. When you stop at a traffic light and wait for the light to turn green smile you idiot if it weren't for a black man you fools would be hitting each other. Now you know why Americans a lowest in education compaired to other countries.
Wondermachine @ 138:
Clinton-Hatred is the only talent the man has beyond sucking toes.
That's why we see and hear a lot from him right NOW. Later - he'll be nothing again - even to FAUX. Morris is a two trick pony. Clinton hatred and toe-sucking.
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Perhaps tangential, but I just saw that Norman Hsu got sentenced to three years in prison. If Hilary gets the nomination there is a sort of race card that can be played against her too -- associating with those sneaky Asian crooks.
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