Face The Nation: Bob Schieffer on What Iowa Tells Us
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Read carefully between the lines of what Bob Schieffer expresses in his final comment on Face The Nation this past Sunday:
A couple of nice things happened in Iowa that should not be overlooked. An African-American won the Democratic caucuses in a state that is overwhelming white and race was not a factor. No matter who you wanted to win, it’s good to know that can happen. On the Republican side, it was nice to know that every once in a while, an election cannot be bought. Mitt Romney poured millions into Iowa but Mike Huckabee beat him with a smile and a shoeshine and not much more. Forget who won and lost. It’s good to know that money does not always guarantee victory.
Did you catch it? It's been a while so it's hard to recognize it when it does, but that was just a MSM pundit celebrating liberal values, like colorblindness, diversity and merit over entitlement and saying that we should all look upon them as a good thing.
Have a potato?
That was lovely. Aren't we way overdue for a "terror alert?"
Wellll, I'm not so sure. I'm getting a little sick of race getting mentioned every time Obama is discussed by these talking heads.
This guy is one of the best journalists around...not many like him left.
Bill: "I can't make Hillary younger, taller, male". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/new-hampshire/
Obama's wife can't make him older, shorter and white so what's your point Bill?
Making Hillary less shrill, less polarizing, less a triangulator and therefore more electable would not be beyond your scope of talents Bill?
OK, those are nice sentiments, but in case you want to be rich, you won't get there betting your money on the poor guy.
I saw the caucus in Iowa as the first step towards trying to end this seven year nightmare we have been living in. That alone was worth celebration..
I wish Bob had stayed on the news instead of Katy Couric. He did an excellent old school job when he was on nightly. Shame they traded him in for a cheerleader.
Why not, Bill? You've made her older, stouter, and bi-sexual.
Preacher Boob @ 6:
Not unless the poor guy will open more avenues to the have nots to get rich or at least have more opportunities...
Ruthless People @ 5:
Bill needs a timeout. If my husband said those things about me I would be so very very pissed. By saying he can't make her all those things he is basically saying my wife isn't the kind of person she needs to be. What a fu*king slam to her. No wonder she almost cried today.
Bob Schieffer old school and still a class act. He'll not be replaced in kind unfortunately
The problem is that all of the pundits keep on saying that Huckabee won't last because he doesn't have the funds. So check back after a few more states and see if he is still there. Also, I think its more so that Romney is in a much better position to win because he has money. It may not guarantee a win, but it certainly helps a lot.
Voters better hope Obama is bamboozling the corporate oligarchy and not them.
Seriously.. the MSM paid attention to 2 candidates for the D's, Clinton and Obama. Clinton is the worst excuse for a "front runner" that's ever existed.. Obama's race is not noteworthy here, the Iowan's rejection of the BS peddled by the MSM is what should be talked about... I mean seriously... Juilie Anne and Clinton were our "frontrunners" all summer. And Mitt the Mormon is not conservative, he is a product of perceived electability as a result of lots of money.. On the Repub side, evangelicals voted for the smooth talking JC name-dropper... Wow, in other news, not only did the sun rise in the east, it will be setting in the west.
Pissed off Patricia---
What's this about Hillary almost crying?...
Sounds right to me, is not a good thing?
Don't feel too bad for Hillary.. She has a great seat in the Senate from the state of New York!!! Meanwhile Barack Obama is rising in the polls. In the CNN poll out today he is up 10 points in N.H. In the USA Today Poll he has reached a 13 point lead. Our country is coming together to challenge the dynasties of the past and bring about change. Thank Goodness!! Let's hope the Military Industrial Complex/Oil Barons in power will go out peacefully.
oneporter @ 15:
So far people have been making decisions based on candidates sucking down corn soup in Iowa.
I think they are scarred of bloggers. Bob is a fairly decent guy, so he's smart enough to ride the wave.
Dead damned link. Please fix it.
Robert
Nicole Belle: I apologize, we're having some sort of internal (bios?) clock issue with one of the servers and the videos are not syncing properly when publishing. I've had to manually resend every video today to the editor to get it to publish. The videos for this post should work now, and we have the tech crew working on trying to get it fixed for future posts.
Orangutan. @ 18:
Okay, the "will go out peacefully option" for those guys is the scary part....
Schiffer occasionally says intelligent things, but let's not praise him too much.
On a PBS programme called Chicago Tonight years ago (just before the Iraq War started), he actually said "George W. Bush is a well read man", with a straight face, nonetheless.
Still haven't forgotten that whopper.
www.newsweek.com/id/85609
straight from the bullshit amplifier
they can't even say John Edwards
Preacher Boob @ 6:
This is the crybaby MSM bullshit they want you to believe!!! Thanks for doing their job...take your negative shit somewhere else.
Orangutan. @ 18:
These guys don't have to worry about Obama (or Hillary).
Ron Paul, they do.
Huck, they may.
Time to fly...
If anyone has any scoop about the Hillary crying thing please post will check later (what happened?)....
See you-all later-----
Oh yeah, like if Hilary was almost crying it won't be the lead story on Fox for the next three days...
Albatross @ 28:
Pissed off Patricia (#11) noted something about it...
But you are right...
Fox would go for the throat on that one...
Albatross @ 28:
I can just see it.
"Is this the kind of person you want for President. A sniveling woman?"
ticktock @ 16:
In a round table discussion today she choked up a little bit when talking about why she was running. Hell, I'll give her a big break on that because everyone of the candidates must be tired as hell. I know when I am stressed and tired, it's real easy to get a tear our of me too. Fatigue will do that to just about anyone.
Good point.
California Dave @ 25:
If you think reality is negative, you must be a republican.
ticktock @ 27:
Basically it she was getting a little watery eyed at one point when she spoke of her love for America.
The Neocon media of course is going to completely leave that part out and turn it into a sign of weakness.
She didn't actually start crying, she just choked up and her voice broke a little bit. She didn't go all john boehner or anything.
Barack is getting his confidence. He was just shown on CNN making fun of Bush's speaking and pronunciation of Nuclear. Too funny. :) I hope he keeps getting more and more confident. America needs some life energy right now.
ticktock @ 10:
For christ's sake, I was talking about how to take the odds on bets in general, not about any particular 'poor' guy, like Obama.
Don't forget if anyone finds a sane place to live on this planet please let us know.
Eric Almighty @ 2:
Yeah, WAY over-due. Then people won't care when the neo-cons start stealing elections again. They'll be too busy saving their asses from the figments of their own imagination.
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
I had a suggestion but then I noticed you said on this planet, so limiting it that way, I'm afraid I can't help you. ;)
I've never supported Hillary, but you guys are absolutely kidding if you think Obama is going to win the general election. You are all going to be in for a devastating loss come November 2008.Good Luck!
Orangutan. @ 36:
Yes we do. Another four years of Republicans and were going to end up a blubbery, debt-crushed, tattoo-etched, Jesus-haunted, multiply-addicted nation of TV zombies.
Sany @ 41:
If everyone takes your attitude, you are probably right. Happily not everyone is so negative and dire in their thinking.
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
Most of western Europe is ok. Stay out of Spain and the UK, though.
there are 2 hilarious videos on youtube that crooksandliars should try to get a hold of
first one is - frank luntz and fox news caught red handed
second one is - sean hannity flees from ron paul supporters
lolololololol
they are both freakin hilarious
Nicole Belle: Check the site. We have them.
Bob makes a good point, so far as that goes. But, given what our country has endured for the past 20 years---vis-a-vis---the Clinton/Bush regimes, isn't it time for us to look past skin color and the rest of the "electability" bullshit and put people like Barack and John in office to begin to fix the extremely divisive problems we face as Americans??? (Note: the whole world is watching and probably hoping that we regain our morale authority as a shining light for democracy!)
Nice to hear what Schieffer said, but I don't think it nor the analysis was 100% accurate. I'll play the devil's advocate because the internet is anonymous, and because I can make some good points.
First, Schieffer subtly implied that white people (at least Iowans) are, by their very whiteness, incapable of seeing the merits of a black man simply because he is black. He is saying that Iowans are racist. Whether or not this is true is irrelevent because the important point is that he considers Obama's endorsement "unexpected" simply because HE is black. Schieffer, inadvertantly, played into a racist's hand by making race an issue AT ALL. If liberal values were truly manifested here, race would have as important as what colour one's hair is, because in the liberal tradition, colour blindness is supposed to be blind to ALL PEOPLE, not just to the analyzers of racist people. Racism will end once it is ignored as an important issue worth mentioning, even the mentioning of the alleged improbability of white people voting for a black man. I am not surprised by the Iowans, especially when you look at the shitty competition. Hillary? Neo-Lib. Edwards? Neo-Lib. Obama is a Neo-Lib too, but he is the best of the worst.
Second, the analysis of Shieffer's comments stating that these points he made are allegedly liberal values is not right either. True liberal values tell us not that money should not "talk", or that Huckabee won even though Romney put lots of money "into" Iowa, but rather that liberal values tell us that RELIGION should be separated from state. The fact that Iowa voted for the most crazy "Christian" (he is not), and that Schieffer implied that Iowa does not "succumb" to heavily financed campaigning, instead wanting to have another phony crazy "Christian" (he is not) in the White House, shows the exact opposite of true liberal values.
You mean these supposed "liberal values" are shown when a journalist states that it is surprising when a deeply and crazily religious state votes in a fellow "Christian"? Uh uh, no sorry...liberal values would have been shown if Schieffer had stated that Iowa is helping to make this country a theocracy by voting based SOLELY on the Christian religion. Instead, Schieffer focuses on campaign spending (which all candidates are doing by the way), and states that the most profligate spender didn't win. Liberal? Hardly. More like a country falling further AWAY from liberal values and instead going straight down the toilet based on irrational fears of other religions. True liberal values were not shown in either Schieffer's video nor in the analysis.
ticktock @ 29:
I cried when Bush got a second term, what's the big deal?
dandy @ 46:
For the past seven years the whole world has been laughing (at the US). The next year is crucial. The whole world is now watching, hoping and praying that sanity will return to the White House.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2008/tst010608.htm
This is what liberal values are all about. After all, it's about YOUR money. Liberty is what we should be using to define what liberal means. The first liberals of this country were called as such because they believed in liberty.
Yes, this is a cheap plug, I am ashamed....but not really.
CheneyIsADick @ 49:
Bush and Cheney have done what Bin Laden and Al-Queda tried to do but failed. Bring America to it's knees.
Umm, "merit over entitlement" -- this was a liberal policy back in the early part of the 20th century but not anymore. Today, the left argues that "merit" is not a valid concept for distribution of wealth and policy should guarantee "entitlements" without regard to one's claim of merit or one's contribution to society.
And "colorblindness" is also something that the left disagrees (a) truly exists or (c) is a just attitude.
Your note about Schieffer's editorial being "liberal" is really an old-fashioned liberalism that you usually denigrate.
Sam @ 13:
I think the issue more is staff. If you have resistance from party regulars, working state primaries is very tough. Expensive and tough.
what happened to the post about the ron paul fans that was posted after this one? It was up and comments had been made, now it's totally gone. :(
Site Monitor: It's there for me. You might want to refresh your screen
Ruthless People @ 51:
Yes they have, but it's time to get on your feet again. Do whatever it takes to be proud, not ashamed of being an American.
Why did you pull the Paul suporters harassing Hannity? I was about to comment that it's too bad they didn't have some rooten tomatoes.
Site Monitor: It's not pulled. You might want to refresh your screen.
L.A. Confidential @ 30:
Unfortunately, John Edwards made a remark similar to that, as in "Don't by a crybaby." However, after Elizabeth Edwards offered a more compassionate perspective, John backtracked in his remarks and admitted that the campaign trail can be hard on the candidates, emotionally speaking.
AFAIC, if anyone wants to accuse Ms. Clinton of crocodile tears, there are plenty of pics on the Internet showing waterworks from members of the GOP that are as phony as a three-dollar bill.
As for Bob, he forgets to mention that the Huckster is lying through his teeth while smiling that folksy smile. Too bad those who voted for him are either ignorant of the facts of Huckster's record, or too cruel too care, as long as a "strong Christian" is their candidate.
Ruthless People @ 51:
I hate Bush and Cheney like the next guy, but this country was on a downward spiral much earlier than Bush/Cheney. I think the internet has simply shown what really goes on in US politics. What Bush and Cheney have done is really nothing new if you know your history (most people don't). It's just that this country and the world knows what is going on WHILE THE POLITICIANS ARE STILL IN OFFICE. That has not happened to the degree that has happened since the internet outpaced MSM. It's like modern civilization: Modern civilization has not created poverty, it has simply made us realize that it is not necessary. The blame is put on the wrong philisophical issue.
A few years ago people ridiculed the right by saying that "the right always tells us how bad government is, and then when they get elected they spend the next four years proving themselves right". Now that the cat is out of the bag and the dems are no better, what do these people say? Not that government should be reduced, but rather "it's just that the wrong people are getting elected...it CAN work, we just need to try harder".
I don't know what's sadder, the fact that these same people continue to think that centralized power centres make our lives better, or the fact that these people are contradicting themselves.
Eric Almighty @ 2:
Brilliant!!!! Thanks for the LoL!!!
*cough* "Don't be a crybaby."
I'm thinking Mitt is going to cry buckets, when he figures out
some "Ah Shucks" minister derailed his express train out of Iowa.
All the money, so little to show....
Site monitor, I left the site completely, came back and it was still gone. But it's back now so it's all good. :)
Thank You Mr. Shieffer.
fuck bob-the-shill. wait until he hosts another 'debate' so he can show his true colors: bush red.
Drew @ 58:
were you paid to type that?
thanks Nicole....that was good to point out..and you are right it was subtle....very....
CoIntelPro @ 65:
WHy of course. I get paid by blankout to go around and say bad things about blankout so that anonymous people can get convinces of my blankout.
My point was that this country has gotten worse long before Bushco. Bushco is simply the most recent manifestation of the inner rot of this country. The decline started in the early 20th century and has been slowly festering into a smelly wound since.
Your point?
When I hear diversity I hear screwing over one person because the other guy is "poor" or a minority, instead of whom ever is best, as it should be. Oh yea and merit?? There is a reason they have these programs, because they can get it on merit so they have to cheat! Let's all hug!!
Drew @ 47:
lol... you made some great points... sorry i edited for brevity but just wanted to correct the assessment from "MSM pundit celebrating liberal values" to "MSM pundit yearning for liberal values"... all fascistic reichtoids do this unconsciously and only occasionally do they let freudian slips like this one through...
California Dave @ 25:
'Take my negative sh*t somewhere else'!? Isn't this 'Crooks and Liars'? I was told this was a right-wing blog.
chris @ 68:
Think of life as a 100 yrd race. White folk start in the 80th yrd marker, where as most poor minorities have to start all the way back to the 1st yrd marker.
If you really cared about equality, you could a) return back to the 1st yrd marker or b) move the minorities over the 80th yrd marker.
Or if you want you can think of in terms of baseball. A lot of the people on top were born on 3rd base, and yet it is all these idiots who think they just hit a triple who bitch and moan because the minorities in the bullpen just want a chance to hit something in the game.
didnt one of his whitebread pundit guests at the end in say that obama was a guy who personified the notion that hey, it's OK, we can all jump in the pool together...... shiefer did look embarassed but its too bad guys like that are still the pool managers....and at the top of the rolodex
Bob should do this all the time. Make sundays worth watching
That's the only thing going for the NH primary and the Iowa caucuses: a candidate can try-out for the nomination without first having to have a bankroll the size of day's monetary losses in Iraq. Unfortunately, the current compressed schedule might well make it possible for the well-financed and/or well-known to easily push aside the smaller candidates who won't have too much time to capitalize on their early primary successes.
The Dude @ 71:
The Dude @ 71:
chris @ 75:
Congratulations, you are the biggest idiot on C&L, everyone in this country has the same chance to go to college, create a business, etc. its just a matter of how hard you a willing to work for it. How in the world did I get to the 80 year line, by been born white?? Furthermore I'm suppose to work twice as hard because I'm white?? Its their parents fault their poor anyway!
"Mike Huckabee beat him with a smile and a shoeshine and not much more." Good one, Bob! There really isn't much more with Huckabee.
chris @ 76:
And is it your parents' fault that you can't speak English?
Everyone in this country does not have the same chance to go to college or create a business; both ventures require capital. Unless everyone in this country has access to a mystical Money Tree, they certainly don't have equal opportunity in those areas.
T-Town OKIE @ 59:
Yes, Eye-ranian terrorists (probably from the fertile, yet very elusive Al-Quesadilla terrorist organization) were harassing Navy ships in the straight of Hormel today. They were sending threatening messages to the ships while dumping cases of Spam and Chili into the water while stating that the items were "indigestible American explosive devices"!
Feel the terror!
He's right the republicans are agree that they just didn't let the visible hand of the market decide. I bet they get the top people from Diebold on the case right away!
But you guys cut the punchline! A Hillary staffer saying 1992-1996 was "teh worst evah" under Bill? BWAAAHAHHAHAAA! Man, that's pretty damn funny.
The Clinton campaign is a giant rolling ball of feces. Gosh, who would have guessed from such a classy guy like Mark Penn.
MIKE HICKABEE THE BIG DUMB HICK FROM HOPE.
Has anyone here actually read Bob's book?
Bob has that bias toward fact based reporting. damn liberal bias in truth. Walter's last successor.
Bob Schieffer is a friend of Dick Cheney. Nuff said.
As a journalist who walks in both MSM and alternative camps, I just wish to add my 3-cents worth (that's worth more than 2 cents) -- Schieffer often says liberal things in his commentaries -- he's a solid journalist, who is brighter than most (and probably should have stayed as CBS anchor) /. . . Listen to his commentaries, and you'll realize that although he'll not be an Abbie Hoffman liberal, he's a solid writer who does write some good commentaries.
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