She has to prove she's really not a man.

"Sheesh- why are so many of peons too stupid to know I'm your favorite? WHY?!'

I'm sorry this appears to be contrived.

Hmph. How do you suppose the corporate media would handle it if John Edwards got all teary like that? Think they'd be as nice as they're being to Hillary? I kind of doubt it.

Yeah, right, she was really upset, BECAUSE SHE'S GETTING HER ASS KICKED. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you DON'T LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!

I ain't buying that bullshit for a minute, not for a second. She's Carlyle Group, bought and paid for and if anything, they cut off her dividend, that's probably why she was upset.

She ain't gonna be president of the US. Maybe of HP (she reminds me eerily of Carly Fiorina) but not the US. She LIKES outsourcing. Fucking bitch, I'd like to see her chased by people who've lost their jobs like that pig Hannity was chased by the Paulites. Ron Paul is batshit insane and his followers probably are too, but I'm PROUD they had the stones to go after Hannity and send him running in fear.

Let's hope we see a lot more of that kind of stuff. It's about fucking time.

I've seen better acting on soap operas. This is totally contrived and fake.

Meanwhile, former Baptist Minister Mike Huckabee returned to his roots Sunday and delivered a sermon in Windham, New Hampshire on being "soldiers for Christ" in "God's Army."

For the details, see:
"Huckabee Delivers Sermon on "God's Army" in NH."

You are afraid that someone will play the Y chromosome card.

She is 60. 20 year old rock stars burn out on schedules like this.

Gutiar Bastard is a sexist pig:

ray @ 8:

Man, the cynicism runs so ridiculously deep on this woman....if she farts, its construed as some sort of master plan....Sweet Jesus, give her a break.

I remember that fart. She purposely ate that bean taco when pandering for the Hispanic vote.

(Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of? tee hee)

someone nominate her for a razzy. that was just pure awful

I would like to believe this is genuine, but I just don't, considering the Clintons (both of them, mind you) track record of calculation, triangulation, etc., etc.. It's impossible to tell if they're sincere or not. Hell, sometimes they probably don't even know.

She now knows how it feels to be a WalMart employee on payday....cry somewhere else....if this is so important why the hell do you keep funding the war....lying bitch....we won't get fooled again you corporate whore!!!!

I'm not going to read too much into this whole episode except even tho I'm not too keen on voting for Hillary it's still kind of sad because it's obvious the woman worked very hard to get where she is at right now...

Looks like it's not going to happen for her...

Wait till the real mudslinging begins later this year.

Hillary is last on my list of favored Democratic candidates, however, all of these candidates have had schedules that are inhuman and insane.

Yes, I agree with the previous poster:

If a republican man did this, the whole crowd would break out in tears, warm smiles, applause, and lots of flag-waving. Remember that clod who said, "Nobody loves their mother like I love my mother", and then got a pharma bill passed that effectively screwed all our mamas?

So Hillary's 'tearing up' is being spun as a good thing?

'Tired' is an excuse? Think how tired she's gonna be if elected, chasing her husband around the White House as he chases after interns. What if Monaco calls, asking for more foreign aid, right in the middle of a chase? Is she going to just start blubbering, and give it to them?

Ruthless People @ 28:

Ruthless People @ 22:

Bush senior bawls like a baby and gets applause http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJHCRVs4AY. whereas Hillary gets a little watery and gets ridiculed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJHCRVs4AY

Kind of makes you wonder about the sympathy factor for women in general, especially a woman who has some power...

I DONT CARE HOW SINCERE SHE IS

SHE IS STILL A CORPORATIST NOT A POPULIST

got it?

Real emotion, but not for the reasons she's giving.

Sorry, this seems a little too convenient from my perspective. Suddenly she's showing emotion? Okay.

Guitar Playing Bastard @ 9:

Yeah, right, she was really upset, BECAUSE SHE'S GETTING HER ASS KICKED. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you DON'T LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!

I ain't buying that bullshit for a minute, not for a second. She's Carlyle Group, bought and paid for and if anything, they cut off her dividend, that's probably why she was upset.

She ain't gonna be president of the US. Maybe of HP (she reminds me eerily of Carly Fiorina) but not the US. She LIKES outsourcing. Fucking bitch, I'd like to see her chased by people who've lost their jobs like that pig Hannity was chased by the Paulites. Ron Paul is batshit insane and his followers probably are too, but I'm PROUD they had the stones to go after Hannity and send him running in fear.

Let's hope we see a lot more of that kind of stuff. It's about fucking time.

Wow. Can you say anger issues?

Check out "Guitar Playing Bastard's" guitar.

Ease off on the caffeinated beverages.

Whew.

Crocodile tears. Bush lite (aka Hillary) will not get my vote.

I don't really care about the authenticity of it but it is interesting how such a small thing has the HRC-bashers flying out of the woodwork.

So is it wrong for anyone to show some kind of emotion?

What I see is that Hillary is held to yet another sexist sterotype and some here are falling for it.

A man expressing his passion like she did in the debate is seen as strong and forthright but a woman is "angry". Tearing up answering a question is seen as she can't take it but if a man does it he is pat on the back.

Lets get some persepctive here please..... stop falling for the crap the MSM/GOP throws out there.

Seele @ 16:

Hillary is human, despite 16 years of republican attempts to tell otherwise.

Thank you for reminding us. What was done to her during the White House years was completely criminal - and she - and her reputation - are still suffering because of it and that fact that the Dems let both the Clintons be ripped to shreds. And often even helped. That period told us a lot about the Dems in general. Barely one pair of balls in the lot.

I'm not a Hillary fan - but I'm also not cynical about this. I say, good for her - this does not hurt her in my eyes.
*

General_Rennenkampf @ 14:

What the Hell? This is misogyny at its finest! Why bother fretting about a woman's emotions, after all, society allows them to express them! Are we to penalize Hillary for following society's code?

And the question was bullshit.

Exactly.

On reading the set up to this thread, my thought was and remains, "BFD."

Doug @ 47:

So is it wrong for anyone to show some kind of emotion?

What I see is that Hillary is held to yet another sexist sterotype and some here are falling for it.

A man expressing his passion like she did in the debate is seen as strong and forthright but a woman is "angry". Tearing up answering a question is seen as she can't take it but if a man does it he is pat on the back.

Lets get some persepctive here please..... stop falling for the crap the MSM/GOP throws out there.

HOW TO AVOID PERPETUATING STEREOTYPES....
....YOU BREAK THEM.

She goes with whichever way the wind blows - separate yourself from the guys and wear bright blazers, now you're too cold get your daughter to campaign with you to push your mother qualities, you're still too cold so you need to cry, now your a sobbing woman.....

I don't believe she is weak, i don't believe she is cold, and i don't believe i know who the hell HRC really, REALLY, is.

I do believe she is viciously calculating

canadian visitor @ 48:

I am sorry to say but the hatred for this woman is over the top and downright destructive. No matter what she does, it seems it is always wrong. I guess the mighty USA doesn't know how to respect a woman candidate. First she is the inevitable so say the media, then they constantly tear her down, now the media say Obama is the rising star. WOW...he had Oprah talking for him...The media builds him up with no scrutiny whatsoever. He gets a pass on everything except how people are now so enthralled with a "black man even whites can vote for". This whole media circus is getting pitiful to watch. Why can't she have a moment where she shows some emotion? "You" in general, keep saying she is cold and calculating with no emotions. Now she will be castigated because she has emotions showing but then they must be phony or contrived for the moment. Where was everyone when Bush shed tears? Or is that alright because he's a "man" and already has the top job? A man can shed tears and be tender and feel touched, Clinton sheds tears and is coniving and phony or not up to the job. This double standard is pitiful or just the hatred for this woman is so strong and inbedded that no matter what she does she is hated or it. As for me, I would like to see less contrived reporting against Clinton and some sort of semblence of fairness. Obama may be okay but when are we going to hear his policies and his platform? With the mess the next President is going to be left after 8 years of Bush and Cheney, I would gladly see Clinton in the White House with her experience trying to fix it because you are going to need someone who can be ready from day one because I bet what you will find will be even worse than what you are expecting. And o let you know, I am a woman senior citizen who just gets a little ticked at the constant unfairness to any other than the "men" in the race.

Well said, (no matter who my candidate is).

Thank you. If she becomes the Dems candidate - I WIlLL vote for her.
*

Oh yeah - I'm not a supporter of Hillary. I've been a huge fan of Kucinich for a long time, but he has no chance so I've thrown my support (FWIW) to Obama as the man most likely to return the Constitution to the people of the United States.

That said - Whoever the Democratic nominee is will get my vote. I will not waste it looking for an ideological match to my Democratic Socialist ideas. I will NEVER vote for a Republican for ANY office.

if she is the nominee

i too would vote for her.

the primaries fuck with the candidates and that is the reason shit like this happens.

Bill: "I feel your pain" ... wins election.

Hillary: "I feel my own pain" ... we'll see.

(This is too much fun. Will my credit card be charged?)

canadian visitor @ 48:

I am sorry to say but the hatred for this woman is over the top and downright destructive. No matter what she does, it seems it is always wrong. I guess the mighty USA doesn't know how to respect a woman candidate. First she is the inevitable so say the media, then they constantly tear her down, now the media say Obama is the rising star. WOW...he had Oprah talking for him...The media builds him up with no scrutiny whatsoever. He gets a pass on everything except how people are now so enthralled with a "black man even whites can vote for". This whole media circus is getting pitiful to watch. Why can't she have a moment where she shows some emotion? "You" in general, keep saying she is cold and calculating with no emotions. Now she will be castigated because she has emotions showing but then they must be phony or contrived for the moment. Where was everyone when Bush shed tears? Or is that alright because he's a "man" and already has the top job? A man can shed tears and be tender and feel touched, Clinton sheds tears and is coniving and phony or not up to the job. This double standard is pitiful or just the hatred for this woman is so strong and inbedded that no matter what she does she is hated or it. As for me, I would like to see less contrived reporting against Clinton and some sort of semblence of fairness. Obama may be okay but when are we going to hear his policies and his platform? With the mess the next President is going to be left after 8 years of Bush and Cheney, I would gladly see Clinton in the White House with her experience trying to fix it because you are going to need someone who can be ready from day one because I bet what you will find will be even worse than what you are expecting. And o let you know, I am a woman senior citizen who just gets a little ticked at the constant unfairness to any other than the "men" in the race.

Nice take...For a Canadian.

You're right. Obama and his "policies" haven't been vetted by anyone yet.

It's all a feel-good-aren't-we-soooo-not-racist, Oprah moment...for now.

The bitch will stop at nothing.........

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Seele @ 16:

Hillary is human, despite 16 years of republican attempts to tell otherwise.

Don't bother debating this crowd. They love Obama because he's black, just like the fundies loved Bush because "he was a man of faith." We'll have the same result.

video courtesy of Taylor Marsh?

Well, that says it all for me? The country's leading vicious Hill-bot, who
is leading a one woman lie filled attack against Obama.

Staged, pure and simple. The was advised, at the right spot (probably a
staged question, the Clintons are like the Bush's in the regard) to
"go emotional" to humanize here.

She's crying, if at all, cause she's deservedly getting her ass kicked.

Now, if this was Bill tearing the paint off the walls of the NH headquarter,
and throatling that weasal-pimp Mark Penn, THAT would be real!

kaT @ 62:

No matter what Hillary does the liberal blogs and now the MSM twist it into something negative because she's a woman.

What a disappointment. 8 years of that moron and now we'll have self-absorbed pretty boy who's pandering to every possible interest group in the country. I watched the democratic debate. Obama had nothing of substance to say, just catch phrases and criticisms of Hillary.

Well, this time when the country goes to hell, the liberals will have to blame themselves (or maybe the baby boomers, they'll probably blame the baby boomers).

Wrong. Not A woman.....THIS woman.

I love Hillary bashing on the Left.

Tells me the Left has grown since the 1960s, when everything was about monolithic orthodoxy.

She said that she was doing an impression of John Boehner.

-GSD

kaT Says:

Seele @ 16:

Hillary is human, despite 16 years of republican attempts to tell otherwise.

Don’t bother debating this crowd. They love Obama because he’s black, just like the fundies loved Bush because “he was a man of faith.” We’ll have the same result.

Neither Hillary or Barak will ever hit a home run.

Ah, gee.

She's crying... For Herself.

She wasn't unhinged by the carnage, violence, and bloodshed that Gulf War 2 wrought?? The war she voted for??

She might cry for her loss... But that's nothing compared to the loss that hundreds of thousands have been made to endure ever since the invasion of Spring 2003...

MountainMan23 @ 37:

I DONT CARE HOW SINCERE SHE IS

SHE IS STILL A CORPORATIST NOT A POPULIST

got it?

And your point is...Barack Obama is a populist? Better consult Wikipedia.

" how will her emotional moment play out on the campaign trail " - CNN , (Contains No News ) Wolf Blitzer , 6:30 est .

ealier he asked Bradley what HE THOUGHT about " emotional moment " .

later again Blitzer asked Bennet and Donna Brasile , what they thought about " her emotional moment " and probably a couple dozen more times in between .

This media circus while wallowing in every trivial issue , pimping polls non stop , speculating , denies the american public vital information to mantain this fragile democracy . It's a shame , cNN is so shallow, so entertainment driven , so friendly and complicit to U.S. foreign policy .

CNN propaganda
" Armed Iranian boats " Vrs. U.S. ships . Interesting the Iranians boats are " ARMED" , why wouldn't they be ? Why are not the U.S. boats or ships descsribed as " ARMED ? - don't worry when it hits the fan , cnn propagandist will not , will not question the U.S. governments version of events . they'll parrot all details be cause they are complicit , with spreading misleading , and false stories and censoring the U.S. backed war on Somalia , they are completely censoring to Gaza civilians being killed by the dozens weekly , by Israeli forces . 10 in one day and they still won't even mention the fact .

Now watch the manuvering and promoting of mcCain and this BIZZARE idea of Cohen of the CFR , putting this " Independent movement " to sell Bloomberg .
I wish somebody digs into this . All of a sudden rightwing Republicans and Democrats claim there's not enough "UNITY" , sure the republican candidates that don't look so good have noting to do with it . I mean to suggest , a super rich jew from NY will be more uniting than Obama is a laughable .
My speculation having read many goals and ideas that the CFR admit to and the fact WILLIAM COHEN, CFR ADVISOR are all behing this and CNN is mentioning frequently even having , lead up story that is simliar to issue .
CFR has this new world order philisophy , that admits monetary soverignty should be done awat with . THIS is what they SAY ! One dollar for the world , or at least one for America, Canada and Mexico .

Update on William Cohen CFR , seems his business of representing war profiteers was able to get a contract for NOUR , in Iraq . Which sprung up over night , with the help of Ahmed Chalabi NEPHEW , to guard Iraqi Pipelines .
It's good to check the background on these stealth promotors of their private agendas . Cohen is also a REGULAR , so called "analyst " on CNN .

Kat says:

Bill Clinton was wonderful president, not perfect but wonderful. Most of you can’t even remember that because you were 7 or 8.

1. Bill isn't running.

2. It's not the 1990s any more.

Oh, and I was in my mid 40s when Clinton was President.

They have the same old hack DLC machine, the shot of Albright and the
rest of the tired relics showed just how done they are.

Oh, and, believe me, the Republicans are in shock, because with
Hillary off the ticket, they can't use her HUGE negatives to energise
the base.

They will LOSE more Senatorial and Congressional seats because no
Hillary to drive them to the polls.

Hillary needs to go back to the Senate, and Bill needs to remember,
you only get two terms, Big Dog!

I don't know what everyone is in a tizzy about. I'm a huge fan of Clinton as a person. She is one of my idols, and I am a man. However, I am an Obama fan, and the reason why is because Obama has what Clinton has been lacking every day of her campaign until today - passion.

Seeing her get emotional today, I could tell she in this for more than her good name. This is a woman with a huge heart and a gigantic brain, and it's time someone stood up and gave her credit for it.

kaT @ 76:

But so true. Liberals can't possibly favor Obama over Clinton because he's more progressive, he isn't. He's way more conservative, he doesn't even believe every American should have health care. Oh, maybe now liberals have decided that we should get rid of social services because that's what Barack Obama says.

Bill Clinton was wonderful president, not perfect but wonderful. Most of you can't even remember that because you were 7 or 8. The liberals will have to be educated the same way as conservatives, with a president who isn't up to the job.

When debating the differences between Obama and Clinton we are in "what part of a turd is more shiny" territory. They are both equally non-liberal. Obama is an Illinois conservative, which when compared with the virulent american neo-conservative reactionary movements of the past few decades makes it look as if a moderate conservative like Obama is indeed a liberal (but only under that context). And Hillary is a corporate shill of the highest magnitude. Either of them, when put under the correct context, fail to be remotely liberal of leftist for that matter. Center-Right is their appropriate place in the political spectrum.

BTW, if you analyze Clinton's presidency... you will find out that most of his policies were slightly to the right of Nixon's. So if by Liberal you meant "moderate conservative" then yes, Clinton was indeed a wonderful liberal president.

As long as people decide to label themselves as liberals, when they wouldn't know the political left if it hit them in the fanny, then yes... I agree it is going to take a lot of education to get all those liberals to get their head out of their collective arses.

When things get tough, the tough get going.

Hillary wanted to be crowned. She may still get the nomination, but it won't be as easy as she wanted.

I don't trust her in front of congress or in front of the world stage.

And it's not about "her." It's about who she is.

nativeokie @ 84:

I previously thought the most hateful party in our political system was the republicans.
Now after seeing democrat reactions to an very real moment from someone showing passion for their country I have determined Democrats are far worse.

I hope someone good runs 3rd party. I will not vote for Obama (Edwards has no chance). Obama has no experience to be president and will never win a general election. If my vote is going down the toilet I will give it to either McCain if he gets the nomination or 3rd party.

I still think Hillary will get the nomination. After all this is one caucus and one primary. Super Tuesday will decide. If she does not get it, I am done with this party.

Come on, that was quite the sloppy concern troll.

BTW, in order to be done with something you need to at least get started with it. LOL.

All of this REALLY started to get bad the day Clinton came into office. I've said this before, been laughed at and ridiculed, but I still believe it down to my bone marrow. The battles of the 1960s in this country, even 47 years later, have not been brought to a conclusion and a lot of that stuff was still boiling in 1992-93 and is still boiling today.

To an element in this country, Bill Clinton was the poster boy, I mean when they looked at him they saw this, and when they looked at a lot of the folks he brought in they saw this too, for all the long-haired, bearded, Grateful Dead listening, pot-blowing, LSD dropping, paisley shirt or tie-dye wearing, VW bus driving, free loving, un-washed, civil rights marching, egalitarian, war protesting, peace-sign wearing, Haight-Asbury pilgrimaging people who they thought then and still think now are leading this country on the road to perdition. And they were never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to accept his legitimacy as president for that reason, and were out to do him ill from the second he said "so help me God" after taking the oath.

The Dude @ 93:

nativeokie @ 84:

I previously thought the most hateful party in our political system was the republicans.
Now after seeing democrat reactions to an very real moment from someone showing passion for their country I have determined Democrats are far worse.

I hope someone good runs 3rd party. I will not vote for Obama (Edwards has no chance). Obama has no experience to be president and will never win a general election. If my vote is going down the toilet I will give it to either McCain if he gets the nomination or 3rd party.

I still think Hillary will get the nomination. After all this is one caucus and one primary. Super Tuesday will decide. If she does not get it, I am done with this party.

Come on, that was quite the sloppy concern troll.

BTW, in order to be done with something you need to at least get started with it. LOL.

Can you translate that into English please?

I have been very active in the Democratic party since I was 18. It is sad what it is becoming though, starting with that stupid nomination of John Kerry in 2004. Dean was a far better candidate and had Democrats rallied behind him as they should have he would have prevailed and likely won the election.

This is another case of our party destroying it's own chances by voting with their "heart" instead of their brains.

“I have so many ideas for this country and I just don’t want to see us fall backwards as a nation. This is very personal for me,”

This line is so condescending to the voting public. "I'm" the only one who can save this nation. Sounding a little Bushie to me.

Also, Hil! If you have so many ideas for this country why don't you present them on the Senate floor.

bubba @ 96:

Yep, the liberals have bought the conservative hillary-hatred. If she takes a shit, they think she's cut a deal with the Joker to poison the city's water supply. When she breathes, they accuse her of increasing CO2 emissions. WHen she....oh you get the idea.

Meanwhile they collect Obama poo and have it bronzed while cooing at it.

politicians are actors with too much power. do you reward the older actor simply due to how long they have been about, or do you reward the better actor. I can't list the reasons quick enough for why I support Obama, equally so for why I don't support Hillary. All i can say is that I believe the passionate ramblings and expression of Obama before Hillary's shrill attempts at expressing a genuinely passionate reason, aside from power, why she deserves this job. Obama does this...blah blah blah....Hillary does this blay blah.....I prefer Obama's blah to hers.

This is who some people who want as President? Someone who cries because she's behind in the polls. Can you imagine when she's faced with a difficult foreign affairs mess. "Iran wont (sniff sniff) listen to me (sniff, sniff). Bill what do I do?" This woman isn't fit to be the democratic candidate. Time for her to walk away. She should hang out with Boehner and they share tissues and recipes.

WashStateBlue @ 85:

Kat says:

Hillary needs to go back to the Senate, and Bill needs to remember,
you only get two terms, Big Dog!

Hear, hear!

Also, the Clintons and the Bushes need to give us a break. Their level of entitlement regarding the white house borders the monarchic. There are far more pressing issues regarding Hillary than whether or not those tears are genuine or not (who the f*ck cares?)

I say it is time for new blood to be let into the highest offices, the current generation of scum has managed to put us in the toilet. And sure as hell it ain't going to be a Clinton or a Bush who are going to take us out of the collective hole we find ourselves in.

For my money, Hillary, Obama, and any of the Seven GOP dwarfs are just more of the same shit different asshole.

Mr. Anon @ 64:

canadian visitor @ 48:

I am sorry to say but the hatred for this woman is over the top and downright destructive. No matter what she does, it seems it is always wrong. I guess the mighty USA doesn't know how to respect a woman candidate. First she is the inevitable so say the media, then they constantly tear her down, now the media say Obama is the rising star. WOW...he had Oprah talking for him...The media builds him up with no scrutiny whatsoever. He gets a pass on everything except how people are now so enthralled with a "black man even whites can vote for". This whole media circus is getting pitiful to watch. Why can't she have a moment where she shows some emotion? "You" in general, keep saying she is cold and calculating with no emotions. Now she will be castigated because she has emotions showing but then they must be phony or contrived for the moment. Where was everyone when Bush shed tears? Or is that alright because he's a "man" and already has the top job? A man can shed tears and be tender and feel touched, Clinton sheds tears and is coniving and phony or not up to the job. This double standard is pitiful or just the hatred for this woman is so strong and inbedded that no matter what she does she is hated or it. As for me, I would like to see less contrived reporting against Clinton and some sort of semblence of fairness. Obama may be okay but when are we going to hear his policies and his platform? With the mess the next President is going to be left after 8 years of Bush and Cheney, I would gladly see Clinton in the White House with her experience trying to fix it because you are going to need someone who can be ready from day one because I bet what you will find will be even worse than what you are expecting. And o let you know, I am a woman senior citizen who just gets a little ticked at the constant unfairness to any other than the "men" in the race.

Because everything she does appears calculated, scripted and planned out. She smells inauthentic so that is the lens with which people see her. Right or wrong she feels like a phony, a fake, someone whose lust for power supersedes everything. At least that is my impression of her.

Perhaps it is how some Americans look at her, but many of us nonAmericans don't see the qualities you deem so disgusting. But then many of us don't feel that 8 years of hatred toward Bill Clinton was justified and worthy of your fine country either. She has been one woman who has been investigated, shown disdain for by every republican breathing, challenged on her every movement, and action, and criticized more than any human I can think of, yet she still put herself up to facing this ordeal knowing what would surely come. I give her credit for that and don't feel she is unauthentic as you put it or her lust for power supercedes everything. And even if it did, it appears those qualities would be admired in a man yet scorned in this woman. Like I said, it appears the great old USA won't be happy without a man in that top office no matter what. Seems any excuse will do from her name is Clinton, she is not authentic, even her laughs gets coverage. Last time I looked I didn't hear any mention of the men candidates laughter ratings on a scale from fine to cackle? Just remember that Bush was going to "bring change" and "work in a bipartisan fashion" and he was likable enough everyone wanted to have a beer with him. So, isn't it time that all candidates got vetted equally-- That none should be deemed out of the race after what Lou Dobbs just stated that only a miniscule amount of people voted in Iowa in comparison to the rest of the population-- or that the men's personal characteristics be equally scutinized as much or as in depth as the female's has been. This is an important election to the rest of the world too you know! It would be nice to know that after all you have gone through, that your next President will be more than just a pick on likability and not much more. You already know where the last 8 years of likability have landed us all.

nativeokie @ 97:

Can you translate that into English please?

I have been very active in the Democratic party since I was 18. It is sad what it is becoming though, starting with that stupid nomination of John Kerry in 2004. Dean was a far better candidate and had Democrats rallied behind him as they should have he would have prevailed and likely won the election.

This is another case of our party destroying it's own chances by voting with their "heart" instead of their brains.

Yes, indeed... Edwards and Obama have no chance now, but in 2004 you considered Dean to be perfectly viable? At least be consistent. And now you throw a temper tantrum because Hillary may not get the nod, so you may even consider more viable a McCain or 3rd party ticket?

Hillary in 2008 will be the Kerry of 2004 both represent the establishment, DLC-like wing of the party. Both equally unable to bring more votes to the table, and both readily available to be used as a lighting rod to electrify the GOP base.

With brains like the ones you bring to the table, I guess the Dems will be better off w/o them. Seriously.

White Democrats put Harvey Gantt forward as their candidate to beat Jesse Helms for the US Senate and in the closing days of the election it looked as though Gantt would be successful having a 5% lead over Helms....Then the Republicans launched this ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzk that ran non-stop for the in last couple of weeks of the election. Helms ended up beating Gantt by 5% points, a 10% swing in a matter weeks which most attribute to this ad...and Gantt didn't even have a middle name that was the same as an Iraqi dictator and another name that rhymed with the terrorist mastermind of 911. With Barrack Hussein Obama the Republican attack ads write themselves. Has America...middle America of both parties which it takes to win in the generals...moved beyond being swayed by such race baiting and on a silly play on one's name? The middle white America necessary to win in the general election, not just Democratic primaries and caucus voters? Recent histories may suggest otherwise. As far as Hillary, she is so polarizing shell bring the Republicans out in drove, even many of the Democrats on this blog don't seem to hate her so what does that tell ya about her chances in the generals?

Edwards, for whatever reason, is the only candidate that polls to beat every Republican in the field in the generals. Nominate Hillary or Obama and polls reflect it will be an uphill battle right out of the gate.

I don't hate the woman, if she's the nominee I'll gladly vote for her. But the fact is she doesn't have that "thing" (charisma, presence, whatever you want to call it) that here husband and obama have. Everything with here just seems stage managed. Almost as bad as Romney. It may well not be, but like or not, people just don't naturally respond to her the way the do to her husband or obama.

I just wish we would have seen some emotion from GWB when he was sitting in that classroom when 9-11 occurred. Instead, we saw his shifty beady eyes going back and forth, figuring out how he was going to take advantage of the tragedy.

Ruthless People @ 111:

White Democrats put Harvey Gantt forward as their candidate to beat Jesse Helms for the US Senate and in the closing days of the election it looked as though Gantt would be successful having a 5% lead over Helms....Then the Republicans launched this ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyewCdXMzk that ran non-stop for the in last couple of weeks of the election. Helms ended up beating Gantt by 5% points, a 10% swing in a matter weeks which most attribute to this ad...and Gantt didn't even have a middle name that was the same as an Iraqi dictator and another name that rhymed with the terrorist mastermind of 911. With Barrack Hussein Obama the Republican attack ads write themselves. Has America...middle America of both parties which it takes to win in the generals...moved beyond being swayed by such race baiting and on a silly play on one's name? The middle white America necessary to win in the general election, not just Democratic primaries and caucus voters? Recent histories may suggest otherwise. As far as Hillary, she is so polarizing shell bring the Republicans out in drove, even many of the Democrats on this blog don't seem to hate her so what does that tell ya about her chances in the generals?

Edwards, for whatever reason, is the only candidate that polls to beat every Republican in the field in the generals. Nominate Hillary or Obama and polls reflect it will be an uphill battle right out of the gate.

...I meant "As far as Hillary, she is so polarizing shell bring the Republicans out in drove, even many of the Democrats on this blog DO seem to hate her so what does that tell ya about her chances in the generals"?

I think she's exhausted, frustrated and watching her staff split in two.

a non story???

was it a non story when muskie cried in new hampshire??

of course this is a story

and i dont care if my candidates cry...people cry...i cry

i do care when they cry as a political ploy

and i aint no fuckin mysoginist...i dont like hillary

but i hope that in 20 years chelsea runs

So Hillary can FEEL, just not ah, enough to dilute her hardbitten cynical drive for POWER. I had a boss up until 4 days ago who was all sympathy and softness when it came to HIMSELF, but just couldn't resist being an abusive prick to people like myself who, up until 4 days ago, had no choice but to suffer under it.
Yeah, and Hitler had a soft misty side for dogs and blond children.

Sorry, she's no friend of the hollowed-out society which was once the u.s.a., she wants to finish the job gwpinhead et al started.

You think Hillary gives a flying fuck about US? Think AGAIN, people.

If she has balls, she'll win the Dem nomination.

Only numbers count.

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35 years of changing her underwear IS NOT the "CHANGE" America seeks.

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Ruthless People @ 117:

...I meant "As far as Hillary, she is so polarizing shell bring the Republicans out in drove, even many of the Democrats on this blog DO seem to hate her so what does that tell ya about her chances in the generals"?

Such is the folly of the DLC: They ignore their base, by assuming they own those votes just because, and they do everything to appeal to a group, the GOP base, that would rather slit their wrist than vote for a Democrat. Basically the strategy is to alienate their base, in order to appeal to another base that will never vote for them... Genius!

Both Obama and Hillary represent this approach. Which was painfully illustrated by what seems to be the spiritual leader of the DLC now a days, the former senator Ford from Tennessee who got shit canned after trying to out conserve the GOP candidate, and who found that them GOPers were not at all that interested in GOP-lite when they can have GOP-full for the same price.

The sad part is that Hillary would fit perfectly in a GOP ticket, yet they hate her guts. Talk about abused spouse syndrome trying to croon her husband's approval back.

Did you say disingenuous?

Giving the false appearance of genuinness is talking about the need to appeal to rich Microcrap republicans and their stock options. I do not care what they think and I'm not chasing their vote. They're the ones who created this mess. I actively oppose them. I don't kiss their ass for a vote.

According to your logic then, the Dems should run Rush for president- the stupid republicans like HIM.

PS. If you want to fight the ultra-right Supreme Court, then impeach the ones who elected Bush in the first place, against the will of the American voter in 2000.

WashStateBlue @ 118:

I find the entire arguement from the Hillary supports to be totally
disengenious.

First, SHE wasn't the President, HE WAS!

So, given her credit for that era, where credit is due, is just
plain crap.

Secondly, he is one of the great retail politicians of the 20th century,
SHE, for what-ever reason, is one of the most polarizing Politicians
of the same time.

I can't explain it, it's probably NOT her fault.

But, it's true.

I have a LOT of rich Microsoft friends, some current, some retired.

Running in the age group from late 30s to mid 50s.

Most are either independents or Republicans, Rich folks, you know
how they are...

Most DETEST Bush, and would vote for ANY Democrate.

Except Hillary.

They would vote for Rudy, McCain, maybe even Mitt?

She would be Huckabee, but he's not going to be the nominee anyway.

I don't even know what it is about here, but it's real and it's visceral
and it WILL NOT CHANGE! She is one of the most established figures
in peoples minds, and wether she sheds a few tears isn't going to make
a difference.

There are TWO, maybe THREE seats coming up on the USSC.

Thomas and ALito will be there FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS!

Give them two more judges, just SLIGHTLY to the right of Kennedy,
and welcome to the pre-FDR America!

Edwards please....OBAMA, Absolutely.

Hell, I was pulling for Richardson, but he was never going to make it.

It's our year, but not if Hillary is on the ticket.

Just a question.

If Hillary loses in NH and SC, does she still win on February 5?

I thought she was getting crap for not being hard enough and in this post its saying she has to prove she isnt a hard chick!!
I think shes lost the game. She cant handle it and she's crying.
Imagine if she was president and something tough came up, would she cry again?

um... WHERE is the video of hillary getting emotional???

seems the accompanying video here is just pundit talk...

This sounds a lot like Edwards in the last debate saying he fights for the things that are very 'personal' to him.

A lot like how everyone is now using the word 'change.' It must have polled well.

If only Ms. Clinton had wept for the plight of those troops who are being blown up and maimed and crippled, disfigured and dismembered, for no justifiable reason whatsoever. Still she is opposed to removing those troops from that slaughterhouse as quickly and as rapidly as possible. With friends like her [and Obama], the troops who are stuck in that hellhole do not have to look very far to discover that the Democrats, as well as the Republicans, do not have their best interests at heart.

Tom the Patriot says:

Did you say disingenuous?

Giving the false appearance of genuinness is talking about the need to appeal to rich Microcrap republicans and their stock options. I do not care what they think and I’m not chasing their vote. They’re the ones who created this mess. I actively oppose them. I don’t kiss their ass for a vote.

According to your logic then, the Dems should run Rush for president- the stupid republicans like HIM..............................

See, that's the point, Tom.

Those people DETEST Rush Limbaugh, but they also detest Hillary?

Seems you don't get it or you just don't want to admit it?

We can't WIN with just the core base of the Democratic party, or we would
be just ending the second term of President Al Gore?

I'm sorry, I know how much People like Bill, but he ain't running.

We just can't risk anyone as polarizing as her, especially if by some
weird turn of events, the Republics get half a brain and nominate McCain.

Besides, it's a moot point.

Obama will win NH and SC by large margins, and Hillary will be
yesterday news.

You seem to miss that the Gore of 2000 is very different from the Gore of 2006. Also, by all means feel free to ignore that most of the critisim of the Democratic ticket was regarding the DLC appointed running mate: a guy named Lieberman from Connecticut.

Surely we must be wrong, as Lieberman turned to be such a liberal fighter in opposition of the GOP cabal. Eh?

What-the-fuck-ever indeed…

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Naderite horsehit rides again. Gore did have the same pro-environment views back in 2000 and ten years before that as well... It's just that the lunatic left was too busy flashing titties and dancing at globalization riots to pay much attention. He didnt suddenly get famous for dissing gloabaliation, his fame is based on his advocacy of something he was advocating back then as well. Back when he was "the same as Bush" according to the tinfoil hat brigade. You can pretend that Lieberman was the focus of the anti-gore bullshit but in my state we call that lying.

Hillary Is Leaking

How long did the people think Hillary Clinton could hold up without saying ouch? At every event,every word she says is calculated by the media to mean she is a monster. How would anybody hold up to being told you are something you are not?

You know, as a Black man, for years I have wished to see a person like Barack Obama in the process, and winning, of becoming our next president. I thought of such a moment being special and emotionally rewarding. It's not.

I like to call myself a realist. I don't buy the hype, when I find out it is hype, and try to see the truth. Right now, Hillary Clinton is being dogged at every corner and someone I truly dislike is doing it. MSNBC's Chris Matthews has done what he set out to do, and you can bet he is proud he has damaged Clinton as much as he has.

Matthews has started a wave, and have went from asking if Obama can beat Clinton to trashing her everyday to make sure it happens. The fact that many Democrats, who usually would be the first to question whether this is allowable, has said nothing and, in most instances, have repeated Matthews' sick right-wing comments.

I see the humanness in Clinton, just as I see it in anyone who is being treated unfairly. I also appreciate the fact that Obama seems to be silent about the matter. I don't expect for him to come to her aid. He is in a campaign for the US presidency. However, it would be nice to tell the media to stay out of the Democratic mix. Victory, as a result of Republican handy work, is not the same as going out there and fighting for it. It truly sadden me to hear Democrats repeating Matthews' right-wing talking points. Obama will need Clinton's support in the general election, so there is no need to "bite the hand that may have to feed him."

Joseph

Actors cry. she didn't cry, she choked up some. With all the criticism it's drawn, why woulkd she contrive such a thing? No adviser would advise it.

Coming to a partisan group and repeating all the talking points about why you support this Dem but not that Dem seems rather silly where minds are already made up.

The issue here was 'is this contrived' not 'does Hillary deserve to be the nominee?'

As a liberal, I can fight like hell against domestic enemies, but I can do it without microanalyzing what they ate after every fart.

The MSM can play that game, but I don't think it behooves any of us to mimic how stupid THEY can be.