Corporate Elite Still Terrified Of John Edwards
By Logan Murphy Friday Jan 11, 2008 1:34pm
Via Reuters:
Ask corporate lobbyists which presidential contender is most feared by their clients and the answer is almost always the same -- Democrat John Edwards.
The former North Carolina senator's chosen profession alone raises the hackles of business people. Before entering politics, he made a fortune as a trial lawyer.
Open attacks on the business elite are seldom heard from mainstream White House candidates in America, despite skyrocketing CEO pay, rising income inequality, and a torrent of scandals in corporate boardrooms and on Wall Street. Read on...
Edwards' message and union support has resonated with a large segment of America, but unfortunately, as with other candidates, he's only getting a fraction of the press coverage of Obama and Clinton. Rudy Giuliani, who was little more than a side note in Iowa and New Hampshire, is going broke and suffering from plunging poll numbers, is still getting press as though he's a legitimate candidate -- while Edwards, who has faired well so far this primary season, often goes unmentioned.
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Yeah, John would have been good for the country. Bye John.
THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND MOVIE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QUiEd0IHaDs
He is the only answer and people will some day find that out. Unfortunately, it will be to late again. There are to many people that don't thnk before they vote, they go with the flo of who the press picks for them.
I can't understand why Edwards doesn't have a bigger following. I really like his platform for the fact that he is anti-corporatist. I definitely do not understand why the culinary workers didn't endorse him.
I actually would not mind him being our president. I don't care about his 400 Dollar haircuts or the kind of house he lives in. We need someone that can make sure our nation doesn't end up in the hands of corporation. Anything other than Slavery. Life is not only about Money. I wish Human can understand that. The world would be much further along if money would not play such an important role in our lives. May God Help us all.
Imagine if the corporate elite has to actually earn money by producing products and services that people would buy?
It takes virtually no ability to hire lobbyists to give these people what they want - virtual monopolies, government contracts, tax cuts, and other lucrative favors. In fact, these people are some of the least capable members of our society. They're not capable of making a sandwich.
But we have to vote for Obama or we're all racist bigots.
You can damned well bet the fix is in. Corporate media is giving us two choices for the next US CEO.
We have one "daddy figure".
We have one "mommy figure".
Now children, which parent do you want to live with for the next 4 years?
I've been consistently amazed at how the mainstream media ignores Edwards. After Iowa, 2nd place Edwards didn't get a fraction of the coverage of 3rd place Hillary.
As Edwards says, .5% of the country has spoken. The other 95.5% of us ought to at least have a chance to hear the messages of the candidates before they decide for us.
Listen, I like John Edwards. I truly admire his domestic populism. (His foreign policy and IWR vote, eh, not so much.) I do truly like him though.
But the idea that any CEO in America is afraid of him has to be intended as some kind of comedy sketch. NOBODY is afraid of a guy who has been campaigning for President for almost 7 years straight years and who is still unable to garner anything more than 13% in the national polls.
NOBODY is afraid of that.
He's the BEST candidate because he has the will to fight the corporate elite. Populism, its time has come.
John's the man.
Remember the last time someone became POTUS and pursued policies that antagonized corporations to the point that some of their leaders plotted a military coup and the installation of a fascist regime?
FDR. Cleaned up the depression. Won the war. Created the most equal, prosperous society the world has ever seen.
Now recession looms. War drags on year after year. Inequality grows apace while prosperity slips away for millions.
Time to reNew the Deal?
Nocore @ 10:
As vice president he did beat the imcumbent
kaT @ 7:
According to the SC media Hillary insulted black people. . . .
"She raised eyebrows in New Hampshire when she credited President Lyndon Baines Johnson, not the assassinated John F. Kennedy or King, for passing civil rights legislation." 1/12/08
Reference Check
President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the 1964 Civil Rights Act as Martin Luther King, Jr., others look on.
http://tinyurl.com/27cgwu
Well, I sent him some money yesterday, and it felt damn good!
kaT @ 7:
But won't that make us sexist because we voted against Hillary "Corporation is my middle name" Clinton?
Nocore @ 10:
Actually, what that tells me is that you've bought into the corporate media framing.
John Edwards has NOT been running for president for 7 years. He's been doing fantastic work at his foundation and with the Poverty Center. He's walked picket lines in support of unions. He's been walking the walk of populism that he espouses and you've been sold that all he's done is run for President.
John Edwards is a CFR member as well. So electing Obama, Clinton or Edwards would mean essentially the same thing. Same platforms (more or less) Status Quo maintained!
Democrat CFR Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
Republican CFR Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mike Huckabee is being advised by the Director of the CFR according to a recent statement made by him.
The main, root cause, issues of the 2008 that none of the candidates is talking about (except for Ron Paul) are the following:
1) the united states debt of $9.2 Trillion (FIAT EMPIRE Home Page)
2) the unfunded liabilities totaling $60 Trillion (U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO))
3) the monetization of debt (that is, making money out of thin air - Freedom Force International - Welcome)
Unless your candidate talks about these root-cause issues, they are just spouting empty rhetoric.
Please research these issues and the CFR, and how the CFR is selling the US out to the international bankers.
Don't let the media, backed by corporate America decide this election. Come on people, if you really want change, vote for John Edwards. You are not going to get Bill Clinton back, and nothing is going to change with any other candidate. Hillary is tight with corporate America and their lobbyists. Obama is a good man but he's backed by and will negotiate with the lobbyists, therefore nothing is going to change with either Clinton or Obama. Don't let the media, backed by corporate America decide this election. Use your head. Do your homework. Research the facts. If you do these things, you'll vote for John Edwards.
Nocore @ 10:
So if they don't fear Edwards, they must reeeeealllly fear Hilly and Bammy who freely take their corporate money? And when the fog of "Hope" lifts, will there be a message there? Yes. The message will be "Republicans Retain White House".
They should be.
Is this what happened to JFK?
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Da Spyda @ 11:
Bingo! His hopes for health care are the only ones aside from Kucinich that seems to actually get it. If I can't have Kucinich, Edwards is my man.
If you really want change, vote for Dennis Kucinich.
the only thing edwards is going to do is tax the corporations out of business, destroy the economy and give us a full fledge welfare states, COMRADE EDWARDS
h8bush @ 4:
That's because we don't get to pick our candidates. The Main Stream Media - aka corporate America - does this for us. They pick the front runners - they're duly annointed and we get to pick from THEIR choices.
If the media had given Edwards proper coverage, he would be THE front runner.
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Well, if corporations are terrified of him and his agenda, that certainly explains why he "goes unmentioned". His is the platform that would bring about the "change" the other two are touting. Hillary's "change" is a return to what she once knew, with the added character of being a warmonger herself who has positively supported Bush's unlawful and unConstitutional government. Obama's "change" is one of "hope", and though I love his charisma and hate his corporate handholding, I have to ask "where's the beef"? Edwards' plans are the most substantive of all the Democratic presidential candidates' platforms, and by focusing on the corporate tentacles in the current government, he identifies everything unlawful and unConstitutional in American politics today.
the reason Edward isn't getting as much exposure is the guys with the big cigars sitting on top of skyscrapers who call the shots are telling the people down in the media to quash his time on tv....."NO,No,no Johnny we don't like your message....you're going to be trouble......."
chris @ 24:
I think you put too much vinegar in your bowl of bullshit this morning.
Oh...the economy is already destroyed, comrade.
chris @ 24:
LOL.........is this it?..Is this all you could come up with?........my guess would be 68.what say all you folks out there.
chris @ 24:
Your talking point is lame and useless. You really believe corporate welfare is a wonderful thing while welfare for the truly needy is not? Apparently the "bend over" position you're embracing is making you happy.
Corporations fear Edwards because by forcing them to play by the rules they can't soak the people for money or escape accountability. He's not just fighting for populism, he's fighting against oligarchy and crony capitalism. He's been my choice for POTUS since the 2004 primaries, back then he was the only one championing the poor and middle-class and he's not given up on that cause over these last four years. Of course now we've got HRC & Obama glomming on the populism Edwards has always owned.
And don't forget, Edwards was the first one on the roster that told Fox News to go suck an egg, no way would he attend a debate on their network. He didn't make up some flimsy excuse like the others that 'it didn't fit in his schedule', he told them they are nothing but a propaganda arm of the GOP and no way would he give them the satisfaction of baiting Democrats with Karl Rove talking points.
He's my preference, but he's losing. But perhaps because the corporate news keep repeating like a mantra Hillary/Obama...Hillary/Obama...Hillary/Obama...
You get the idea.
hope @ 30:
Well......here's
a prime example of what Edwards does to the repugs.
I suppose it was just a matter of time.
Hey Chris......hows Ron Paul doin?....don't forget to donate to the KKK.
hope @ 30:
I never said I believed in corporate welfare but I don't believe in personal welfare either, edwards is a commie wanna be, in case you have not been around that shit does not work...
Lollimom @ 28:
Beaucoup vinegar?
ya never know,stranger things have happened.Edwards 08.
hope @ 30:
I love it when the barely literate whip out the commie thing on someone who has populist concerns. No Cartesian common sense there, hope. The Paulbots are useless, inflammatory and can't start their own website soon enough, where they can all hang upsidedown from the rafters, while chattering about the FM (fuckin' magic) of St Ron Paul-his ability to wipe out taxes AND balance the most out of whack budget evah. And just leave the adults on this site alone.
Maybe we could get a kiddies table set up for them somewhere-on the LaRouche website.
chris @ 34:
What a keen intellect you are "Chris". "...personal welfare..." ?? OMG. Stop typing before it gets worse...if that's possible.
Like Howard Dean before him, the M$M is doing everything that they can to deliberately ignore and tank Edwards. That's why non-news, such as his haircut, becomes 'breaking news!'. If he coughs too loudly or makes an honest late-night mis-statement, then that's worthy of headlines. Never mind his stance on the issues. The establishment is truly terrified of Edwards as they were of Dean, or any candidate for that matter, with the audacity to actually stand up to the corporate machinery. One can only hope that people will actually THINK before they cast their ballot for any of the other media-chosen darlings.
Edwards is really the best of the bunch.
chris @ 34:
The american right: Redefineing "communism" since 1945.
Guess Paul Krugman is commie as well? *roflmao*
miss_kitty @ 37:
well said miss kitty...but I have to honest with you...last nights LNMC....Iggy Pop show in 4in heels......DAMN.......you got my mind wonderin.damn......LOL
Without exception, EVERY physician I work with HATES John Edwards. It's like a reflex. But they love Bush, because he gave them tax cuts. It's the most selfish phenomenon I've ever witnessed. But hey, their retirements are funded, so fuck everyone else.
chris @ 34:
Gee, Chris. Jesus was a commie. Why do you think your philosophical ancestors nailed him to wood?
People have to remember... there are still over NINE MONTHS to go before the election.
A lot can still happen. Edwards has to hold on and keep telling America about the "Two Americas" and how the poor are getting stomped on by the rich. Even if he doesn't win, perhaps his message will gain traction instead of this meaningless message of "Change" (whatever that means).
We only need a candidate to promise three things:
1. Universal Healthcare
2. Bring the troops home from Iraq
3. Bring transparency back to government and remove the secrecy
created by the Bush Administration.
Che's Lounge @ 42:
Correct me if I'm wrong..but don't a lot of doctors get student loans plus more help from the Govt.when they start out?..
since around 1921 all, bar Goldwater and Reagan, the presidential nominations have been members of the CFR, Obama is, Edwards is, Clinton is.
Gore had the same problem in 2000. Remember the breathless coverage of the phenomenal amounts of campaign money Bush was raking in? ("Bush has broken all records for campaign contributions. Huh! Isn't that something, folks?!") Gore scared the shit out of corporate America with his "Earth in the Balance" environmentalism; there was no way they'd have him in office.
43 centavo
Jesus had wood?
mudshark @ 41:
I still have 'em, too :P
Someone tell me why corporations are good for us? They've done nothing but merge, conglomerate, raise prices on goods, put mom & pop businesses out, sent jobs overseas, whittled away at just about everything sacred for the common man. Who's winning here when you vote to save corporations? Not the common man.... Corporations!
I say Edwards in '08.
chris @ 24:
The economy has already been destroyed. The corporations have already had their chance with their republican corporate welfare and "trickle down economy" bunk.
What did corporate America do with those astronomical record profits? They trickled right down into the pockets of their fat CEO's, to China, India and other foreign countries to take advantage of cheap foreign slave labor at the expense of American jobs. Corporate America and republican rule are destroying this country and must be stopped. John Edwards is our best shot at taking our country back.
ysbaddaden @ 48:
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist that one.I wonder who was choking on the splinters?
Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary.
The Republicans don't have to do a damn thing but sit back and watch while the media helps the Dem party to destroy itself.
Nocore @ 10:
Uh. Yeah, they are. Or they wouldn't be working so hard to keep him out of the media outlets that they own.
Its a two-fer. Can't you see that?
Look, I know that this is an open forum, but if you have nothing constructive to offer, say, clear evidence of independent thought, an not simply a parroting of the GOP lines, then shut the hell up and see if you can at least learn something. Our country's future is at stake here, and shallow-thinkers like you are behaving as though we are just frivolously choosing the captain of the grade school soccer team. This is not a game. It's time to grow up!
chris @ 24:
I know a lot of you democrats are scrambling around trying to find someone in the democratic party who isn't a corporate puppet but Im afraid that doesn't exist, Im afraid that doesn;t exist on either side of the aisle, bar Ron Paul, wether you like him or not he;s not a corporate shill or warmonger, i mean look at the way fox news treats him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6UO731mEoc
Aww. The corporate elites are crying in their mohca latees. They are terrified if ANY Democrat gets in. Their avarice and greed destroyed the financial health of this country.
Perturbed @ 47:
The media's treatment of Gore in 2000 was absolutely appalling. They portrayed Bush as a loveable intellectual lightweight, while Gore was evil and lied about inventing everything (most of the time it was quotes they took out of context, by the way).
miss_kitty @ 37:
Very creative and well said. Also interesting you used "upsidedown" in referring to Paulbots. Saw some on a freeway overpass this morning checking to see if they did, indeed, have their signs right side up.
Of course, the corporate media will boycott him.
He has the best message of change, shutting down the legal bribery system of K Street.
But the media has pimped the Obama message of unity just like they did when w spewed he would unite this country.
Johnny2Bad @ 38:
IdiotShrub @ 54:
Chris's ship sailed a long time ago.....he just doesn't know it.He's still standing on the pier looking for it.
andy @ 55:
Warmonger? No...Corporate shill?...No. Nutbag Libertarian?...Oh, yeah.
chris @ 34:
Name a communist country. Just one, and I'll read every one of your posts from now on and agree with your message. Name just one.
I hope corporate buttkisser Chris is still around. The head of Countrywide Finance, whose stock plunged from $44 to $7? He's getting $114 million to get his ass out of town.
Chris, I hope you had a chunk of Countrywide in your retirement plan. With any luck, you had one of their mortgages, too.
Enjoy your swirl down the toilet, punk. Don't expect your beloved corporations to do anything but flush.
Ron Paul....LOL.
Please answer me this question??? Please??? Why are progressives falling for this Obama/Hillary Charade. Don't you get it people. I don't understand this. I thought we were smarter than this. Edwards is who they REALLY Fear. Wake up. You all say that you hate the MSM telling us who to vote for, and then you do it anyway. Turn off CNN/MSNBC and vote for Edwards. This is our LAST chance to make a stand. Please!!!!!
I'm reading "Edward's message" and I don't see anything about the trade deficits, offshoring and budget deficits. He calls for more spending, but where does the money come from? The trouble here is that the American public is unwilling to accept the bad news that we have mortgaged our futures with massive debt, and the bill is coming due. It is going to be paid by taxes, or the vicarious tax of inflation as the government prints more devaluing currency.
The Fed looks like it is being caught between a rock and a hard place. Lower interest rates to avoid a recession or raise interest rates to avoid a run on the dollar and devaluation/inflation. In the end, neither may be avoided.
I don't see any clear visibility out of this mess. Edward's plan (financed by printing more money?) may alleviate some symptoms for awhile, but doesn't address the core causes, namely personal debt, federal debt, and a trade deficit.
The real answer I think is for the US to stop spending half the world's expenditures on the military in order to be the world's policeman, change the drug laws to conform to those of England in order to curtail the $48B war on drugs, and balance the budget. And we have to get out of trade agreements that aren't benefiting this economy. Any national health care program needs to be single-payer, not a corporate welfare program in order to curtail costs there.
It is true.... The U.S. Capitalism is terrified of candidates that do not support corporations.
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NoBuddy @ 67:
Here ya go. Do I have to do all the research around here?
The US isnt going to make it another 10 years anyway.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7... here Chris....read this....
andy @ 46:
So what? The CFR is nonpartisan, most of the presidents in the past have been Freemasons too, so what?
ya have to remember, BC lost the first couple of primaries in 92 and in 2004 gov. Dean was way ahead before he imploded. As John says, only 5% of the country has spoken. It's still a longish road to the convention. I sent John money for the third time yesterday. I feel he's the only candidate that has identified the true enemies of our country -- the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and oil/gas lobbies. John has fought them in the past and he's the best man to fight them again. Hillary and Barack are too indebted to the very people they need to be fighting against.
Send John Edwards some money today and write a letter to the editor or op-ed piece. Make your voice heard.
A little under a month ago, Conde Nast's Portfolio.com had an article on John Edwards titled "The Phony Populist."
Interestingly enough, the purpose of the article was to say that although, yes, Edwards is more progressive on any business / labor related issues than Clinton & Obama, businesses should not freak out in the case of an Edwards' presidency.
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/washington/2007/12/17/Business-Sh...
It seems to me that the new business open hostility is more of a sign of a hostile attack upon candidates like Clinton and Obama who might be more vulnerable to business pressures.
They feel that Edwards' chances are receding, so, now's the time to put the most pressure on the less progressive candidates.
Nocore @ 10:
Well, my take on it is that they're *relatively* most afraid of him. Which is probably still not very much on the absolute scale.
Sany @ 66:
Not only do we have most of the MSM refusing to cover Edwards' candidacy but now we also have more liberal columnists like Lawrence O'Donnell claiming that Edwards will have to live out his life as the subject of much liberal condemnation because he stood in the way of a black man achieving the presidency. WTF? Why are we still pretending we're living in a democracy?
I will vote for Edwards over Clinton as my vote for the nomination goes. But I don't vote until 2/12/2008 the media and it's followers the sheeple will have it all sewn up by then. I will most certainly vote for Clinton over Obama so there you have it. Edwards or Clinton?! If it looks like the tide is already going in one way or the other the only vote I can cast is one for Clinton if Edwards doesn't do EXTREMELY well on February 5th and I have no say in that vote or how to get the MSM to be fair.
chris @ 34:
what you got against commies chris? every time you buy that shit from china your buying commie shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ysbaddaden @ 48:
So how's Junior High School working out for ya? Are ya gettin' good grades?
Edwards doesn't have a bigger following because the media has decided they don't want him as president. The media is fixated on Obama and the giant squid Clinton. John Edwards gets little to no coverage. I support him, and will vote for him in the primary. I wish him god's speed.
centavo @ 79:
Someone's cornflakes got pissed in this morning. My condolences on your loss of humour, centavo.
Hope, @76, I read that stuff by Lawrence Odonnel this morning on Oped News. That Lawrence Odonnel is part of the corporate elite incrowd of MSM. He's on Hardball a lot, and he's not a progressive ,working class man by any means.He's as bad as Mathews and a real corporate shill. He always praises the corporate elite and that's why they put on TV so much. I'm just so disappointed that progressives are falling for this MSM charade. I feel like we haven't made one bit of progress since GW Bush got election. And what's worse, is the corporate MSM is making fools of all of us all by portraying Obama and Hillary as the face of the progressive movement. It shames me. Even our so called progressive Talk shows aren't doing much to combat this. The only one who has really stayed on message about the MSM circus is Mike Malloy.
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Dems have not learned a damn thing about the MSM from the last two elections.
1) Yes, the corporate fascists do not like Edwards. But they don't think he has a chance. That's why he gets little media coverage.
2) If Obama is the agent of change, why does the corporate media give him a pass?
Answer- the fascist bastards do not fear him and would love you to make him the nominee.
3) If Hillary is so corporate intrenched, a status quo'er, then why is she continuosly attacked in the corporate media? Answer- the fascists bastards fear her.
MSM is owned by corporations who support politicians who favor "supply side econonmics". If they thought Hillary would continue the "status quo" they would be giving her the pass, not Obama.
chris @ 83:
STFU, would you?
Capitalism with no rules or restraints is FASCISM.
Damn trolls.
ChrisM70 @ 44:
YES. And he needs $$ to hang on those next NINE MONTHS.
Donate to John Edwards now.
You'll feel good about yourself and that you are committed to REAL CHANGE in America.
http://johnedwards.com/
Yeah, Canada's so horrible, where people don't have to worry about going bankrupt to pay hospital bills.
The mainstream media is supressing all coverage of John Edwards.
That's why WE must be the media.
Websites like Crooks and Liars are the perfect place to help spread JRE's message of fighting against corrupt big corporations, and the media they control.
I'd like to see at least one blog entry a day here about John Edwards-- preferably a mix of news, campaign event coverage, and clips of his televised commercials.
Thank you in advance. :)
If you don't think the fact that the media is owned by mega-corporations has everything to do with Edwards being invisible you're wrong. He is the only candidate that is willing to make them accountable. Obama and the Clinton entity have already made their oath of allegiance to the big bucks.
We have the worst of everything. Europeans have a higher standard of living than we do, the healthcare scare is just that.
NoBuddy @ 68:
here's a place for you... http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=21107
He is one of only a few candidates who answered the VoteSmart Political Courage questionnaire.
Obama did not.Clinton did not. Even Kucinich did not.
Edwards knew he'd get no press as he is anti-corporate and the news is run by the corporations. Wake up... we live in a corporatocracy.
The press may be ignoring John Edwards, but I'm not. He still has my vote come February 5th.
Mantix@89
I’d like to see at least one blog entry a day here about John Edwards– preferably a mix of news, campaign event coverage, and clips of his televised commercials
Agreed-I spend hours a day surfing for news about John, and, honestly, take great solace when I read comments and find that the majority are supportive of his candidacy. While I find a lot of comfort and HOPE (starting to hate the word) in the sense of shared purpose and community engendered by this sea of commentary, I would like to see us take some of our outrage and energy and use it against the MSM. If you feel moved to post a comment, why not post to the comments section of one of the MSM outlets? If enough arrows are slung, some of them are bound to penetrate the armour. There is strenghth in numbers--"they" hope we'll forget this rudimentary fact. Email the networks-ask them why they're refusing to cover Edwards. Post comments-make phone calls. CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
Another thing about numbers that we'd all do well to remember if our chosen candidate (whomever that might be) is not represented when it's time to vote: there's a space on ballots for WRITE-INs.
I'm experiencing a strange mix of exhilaration and terror as this campaign unfolds. I love that Edwards is forcing this depth and breadth of examination. I hope he honors his commitment to stay in the race until the convention. Shake the status quo, John! I'm with you all the way.
while i donated to kucinich and would mostly wish he were our next president i now think it wont happen, so ill back edwards , clintons a republican in democrat clothes, obamas the same , they both take take take , corporations and lobbiests money, and if you take thier money your owned by them, i will vote for kucinich or edwards , i will not vote for more of the last seven yrs , and both clinton and obama offer nothing but the same as weve had, yes i really dont care if by your voteing for these two looses the repigs still own this country, if you cant see that edwards offers the real and only chance to take back this country you can swim in your own crap for eight more yrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great to see some Edwards coverage on C&L despite it's usual pro-Huckabee slant (betcha you haven't been accused of that one yet :) )
Maybe we should all support the candidate our enemies fear the most.
Oh BULLSHIT!
No one is afraid of edwards, its the message.
His populist message is powerful but the messenger
is crap. If you are going to get out there like a Huey Long you've got to have the history, the actions, to back up your words or you get dismissed as a phony.
edwards spent 6 years in the senate and what was part of his DLC corporate-whore record? The Patriot Act (he wrote parts of it) the Iraqi War vote ("Oh I'm sorry", like that brings people back to life) and the Bankruptcy Act (you can't get more anti-populist than that). While he did make millions winning damages from corporations for people, back in 04 nobody could find a single case where he had ever worked pro bono for anyone. I won't say much about him belonging to a Hedge fund, other than they usually make their money screwing others that don't have as much money as their members.
I read something the other day, that sounded right, he had won 2 elections and lost 31. He won his senate seat and the 04 SC. primary but that's all.
Not a person to be afraid of.
Right now all edwards amounts to is a Spoiler. A Spoiler that can only hope that his message will be picked up by other candidates that might actually win. If its picked up by Queen hillary it'll amount to nothing if she gets elected. If Obama, who the hell knows.
The only ones afraid of edwards are his supporters, afraid he'll make them look like fools.
//end rant
I'm liking Edward more and more.
NYC Educator @ 9:
GE owns NBC, Disney owns ABC - big corporations own all of our media - and they all know which side their bread is buttered on. The corporate candidates have promised to play ball - Edwards has promised actual change. It IS amazing the audacity shown by the MSM in completely abandoning all pretense of fairness - even PBS. If Edwards gets any mention, it is about how much trouble he is in - or some other disparaging brush off. NONE of his policy positions have gotten the attention of a couple of haircuts - and that is no accident.
From the above quoted Reuters article:
"My sense is that Obama would govern as a reasonably pragmatic Democrat ... I think Hillary is approachable. She knows where a lot of her funding has come from, to be blunt," said Greg Valliere, chief political strategist at Stanford Group Co., a market and policy analysis group.
But Edwards, Valliere said, is seen as "an anti-business populist" and "a trade protectionist who is quite unabashed about raising taxes."
"I think his regulatory policies, as well as his tax policies, would be viewed as a threat to business," he said.
-snip-
So people wonder why corporate owned, sponsor supported media is doing it's best to ignore Edwards? Obvious.
Seems like a no brainer when a candidate gets little press coverage because he is pointing the finger at those that control America and all that is wrong with it. Perhaps one way to send a message to the corporate elite is as simple as not purchasing their garbage any longer. Hold off on buying that plasma t.v or another pair of sneakers. You can send a very clear message to corporate America by hurting them where it hurts them most. In their bottom line. When shareholders begin to see increasingly diminished returns, perhaps they will start investing in companies that put people first rather than their piggy banks.
Hillary is othing other than a Democrat in Republican clothing and at this stage given the ecoomic mess we're in I haven't heard any credibile economic platform out of Obama either. If the best that our elected officials can come up with is a band aid in the form of a $500 tax rebate, thanks but no thanks as all your doing is growing a deficit that is already out of control and increasing inflationay pressure while creating more dollars that buy less and less. As the economy continues to roll over on its way to a depression in 2010, whomever becomes the next president will only be a one term trick because people will no longer put up with spending away our countries future while tent cities start to spring up across the land just as they did in the 30's. History may not always repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.
GDLiberal @ 97
I'd rather look like a fool for supporting Edwards than look like a fool for quoting a conservative hit job piece of "journalism" (the article you quote is Larry O'Donnell's incendiary character assassination appeal to reverse discrimination> on a liberal blog.
chris @ 24:
This fits you to a tee: from http://buffalobeast.com
9. You
Charges: You believe in freedom of speech, until someone says something that offends you. You suddenly give a damn about border integrity, because the automated voice system at your pharmacy asked you to press 9 for Spanish. You cling to every scrap of bullshit you can find to support your ludicrous belief system, and reject all empirical evidence to the contrary. You know the difference between patriotism and nationalism -- it's nationalism when foreigners do it. You hate anyone who seems smarter than you. You care more about zygotes than actual people. You love to blame people for their misfortunes, even if it means screwing yourself over. You still think Republicans favor limited government. Your knowledge of politics and government are dwarfed by your concern for Britney Spears' children. You think buying Chinese goods stimulates our economy. You think you're going to get universal health care. You tolerate the phrase "enhanced interrogation techniques." You think the government is actually trying to improve education. You think watching CNN makes you smarter. You think two parties is enough. You can't spell. You think $9 trillion in debt is manageable. You believe in an afterlife for the sole reason that you don't want to die. You think lowering taxes raises revenue. You think the economy's doing well. You're an idiot.
Exhibit A: You couldn't get enough Anna Nicole Smith coverage.
Sentence: A gradual decline into abject poverty as you continue to vote against your own self-interest. Death by an easily treated disorder that your health insurance doesn't cover. You deserve it, chump.
GDliberal @ 97:
Well, it is my understanding that the work he did was pro bono if he did not win the case.
Check out his book "Four Trials
It seems he has been more than a little effective against corporate avarice and greed.
GDliberal @ 97:
And then Al From, the D.L.C. founder, said he was “very happy about the two candidates” Americans are considering. NY Times - D.L.C. Leaders Cut Edwards Out
The 2 candidates DLC espouse, in this article at least, are Clinton and Obama.
Michael M. @ 1:
More like till we meet again.
When John throws in with Barack they will crush the wicked which and save America.
Want to find out what really is going on in corporate America? Please listen to this interview with Edward Johnston!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17808622
I posted a link on the Reuters article earlier today and got no response. Glad to see people are finally waking up. I contributed to Edwards campaign because I think he has a better message and the media won't give him the coverage.
Idiotland,102
bravo!!
terse,succinct,apt,concise.
Then came the day at the bottom of the mine
When a timber cracked and men started cryin'
Miners were prayin' and hearts beat fast
And everybody thought that they'd breathed their last-'cept John
Idiotland,102
and true.
Just about everyone I talk to in Los Angeles supports Edwards (as I do).
Edwards seems to be much more knowledgeable and capable than Obama.
One thing I know: I'm voting for Edwards.
Idiotland @ 102:
Sorry guy, not me, I have to be careful what I say though, site monitor does not like pro capitalism remarks...
Mollie @ 3:
Broadcast media, TV, will choose the winner, not the press. The press is still broken up enough to prevent them from having such a large power. Now, if we can only get the FCC to work for the people and not the parties, we'd have such resilience and people power in our broadcast industry.
If it does come to pass that Obama gets the Demo candidacy, Obama must be very careful about who he picks as a VP when it comes to the Progressive vote. Since Obama gives mixed messages about his Progressive stance, he would greater reassure Progressives with Edwards as VP.
If, however, Obama picks a moderate empty suit to appease frightened "greedy white capitalists" (are you reading this chris @ 112?), then Obama runs the risk of alienating Progressives -- at least those of us that are not impressed with a cult of personalty.
chris @ 112:
My favorite are the "pro-capitalists" who still get paid by the hour. Suckers.
miss_kitty @ 82:
Heh. You beat me to it miss_kitty.
I think John Edwards would make a hell of a Secretary of Commerce.
I believe that Senator Edwards is a real problem with the elite establishments, as is Congressman Kuccinich and it's for the reasons, they will get in their face with the issues and problems that really concern American people, which is exactly why it is important they continue on with the recounting of the votes in the precincts, that have risen questions as they use these voting machines.
As long as they continue to use those machines, there are going to be questions as they move from State to State, because those of us that are very cynical about this process, will continue to be cynical.
I really think that Senator Edwards was also slighted in that process, because of their hatred for him and his stand against big business and I plan to continue to say this until they learn that American people want a fair voting process, using ballots that can and should be able to be recounted.
Every time there are questions about these elections, these machines are in play and there is no reason for this other then they are cheating. Why the hell do we continue to allow them to get away with this shit?
This is the reason we love candidates like Edwards and Kuccinich, because they stand up to these cheap tricksters that are just destroying this country and it would not set well if I did not bring up the fact that Senator's Reid and Obama, with the support of other Democratic officials, have tried to bring bills to the Senate floor to address these voting machines issues and they have all been shut down and not allowed by the Republicans, over and over.
That is why we have not seen anything pertaining to fixing this problem. What better time to get in the face of these cheap thugs, but while we are currently in the process of selecting our choice for the higest office in this land. We can do it with the whole world is watching? It does not get any better then this if we just stand up to the powers that be and demand real change it this corrupt process, they are beating the hell out of us on and screwing this country up for our kids.
We are not stupid and the majority of American people are not evil raciest, as they want to make out and I know this as we move on from State to State, white Americans are still lining up by the thousands to hear the message of Senator Obama, and if they were so raciest, why the hell would they waist their time standing in the cold with their kids in tow, only to go another route?.
You can try to ignore the massive support Senator Obama is generating all over the country if you want ( and i am speaking too both liberal and right wing folks), but it is not going away. It gets even bigger and the anger of how he, Senator Edwards and Kuccinich are being slighted by these people who are hell bent on doing what we all know they have been leading up to from the beginning of this campaign as we go back months ago, when they all but put Senator Clinton in the white house without our voices at all. They have a hell of a lot of money invested in this woman and they intend to cash in on it, any means necessary.
We have even more invested in our kids and we need to get in the face of these bastards at every turn. We may not get this opportunity again. The time to call them on their dirty deeds is NOW.
I also believe that Senator Edwards support is somehow being stolen from him using those machines, because of the hatred by these bigots in media, corporate American and this administration who simply hate what he stands for.
We need to demand they continue the re-count that the good Congressman Kuccinich is demanding so that we keep these people on notice that we are on to them and watching any and everything they do with this process. It is very much in our best interest that we do this.
They refuse to discuss this issue anymore, as they move right on to the next diaster of a selection and this shit stinks to the high heavens as they are now basing the Nev election on people gambling and betting on the winner, instead of these cheap pollsters. It aint going to work though as millions are already lined up to vote against this woman inspit of the media shoving her down our throats.
If we excuse this incident, in New Hampshire, they will do it again and again, until they get the desired Democratic and Republican candidate of their choice. That is exactly how we ended up with Bush and how we are all suffering for allowing it.
Say what ever you will but the majority of American people do not want a candidate that is entrenched in corporate money that can and will be called on for repayment and that is exactly the candidate they are after in both the Democratic and Republican candidates, they will choose.
Josh @ 18:
Why stop at the CFR when making this argument? Why not mention that all three are upright bipeds? All three drink, eat, piss, and shit. All three have had sexual intercourse.
I'm sure that there are other common attributes. Ergo, it must be the case that the three are identical. Thanks for saving me from having to read, listen, and think. I can close my eyes and pull any lever. Cheers
Josh @ 18:
Why stop at the CFR when making this argument? Why not mention that all three are upright bipeds? All three drink, eat, piss, and shit. All three have had sexual intercourse.
I'm sure that there are other common attributes. Ergo, it must be the case that the three are identical. Thanks for saving me from having to read, listen, and think. I can close my eyes and pull any lever. Cheers
bull shit I have not said all that needs to be said
go to hell
I've listened to Edwards and all his speeches tend to do is remind me that there are people who have it tough in this country, isn't that a shame, and shouldn't something be done about it? Thanks to John Edwards, I know there are injustices in America. But what he isn't communicating are nuts-and-bolts plans or ways to fix things. I have the same problem with Obama. Sorry to say Hillary is the only one I trust to actually know how to affect change and not just talk about it.
Kudos to Edwards for taking on the gilded age enablers
New Hampshire didn't vote for who the corporate media chose for them, Obama, so hopefully the country follows this trend and votes for a real man of the people like Edwards or Kucinich.
miss_kitty @ 82:
According to George Harrison in an interview, in England getting pissed meant getting drunk; ergo centavo must've poured beer over his Cheerios.
Obama and Clinton for pres & v.p., doesn't matter which since after the current administration we see it is a co-presidency; Edwards for Sec. of Commerce, Richardson for Secretary of State, and Kucinich and all the rest for some top-dawg positions, and maybe this country can get back on track! Habeus Corpus restored, jobs growth, and an end to pre-emptive war, hey what's not to like?
Sometimes you have to be a cock-eyed optimist to get through the day. Or 2008.
getalife @ 60:
Dubya did, in fact ,unite the country. Now, everybody hates him!
kablooie @ 127:
Don't get me started about the cock-eyed.
I always thought it odd that the ghost of Hamlet's dad appeared in his son's bedroom, and didn't disappear until the cock crowed.
Biggus Diggus @ 123:
WTF, they have to be in office before they can change anything. You have to remember that Edwards would be the VP if it wasn't for the crookedness of the establishment.
john doe @ 73:
15 of the 43 Presidents have been freemasons. This hardly "most"
"while Edwards, who has faired well so far this primary season, often goes unmentioned" (in press coverages)."
The WORST of the BUNCH (Presidential Candidates)are funded by highest bidder. Waged by BIG CORPORATE INTEREST. They have the MONEY but the people although does not have the "MONEY" in comparison to the corporate giants; HAS the VOTES. And since it is once again, a coming to an ELECTION SEASON.....it is also a profit generating season for the MEDIA GIANTS. MOney will be EXPLOITED to the max. And candidate who raised the most money get to be the first to be BILKED. Millions of Advertising money to be HAD by promoting from the candidate with the MOST MONEY..... ONCE the campaign fund has been EXHAUSTED,,,,and the candidate momentum has taken a plunge.....because of an ineffective campaign ads or through the candidates political blunder....THE MEDIA has already reap the financial benefits.....
The RACE will be determine who will SURVIVE near the final stages of the PRIMARY and who will survive close to NOVEMBER Election. The Primary is at the earliest stages Iowa & NH is only two.......and we still have 48 more state to go. The process of elimination has already took place.
I would advise Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, and Huckabee and Edwards conserve their campaign fund for campaign advertisement towards the END, where it counts.
Let the MEDIA HAWKS eat the the millions of dollars already raised by the establishment annoited CANDIDATES.......MEDIA is JUST salivating for those millions of dollars to be HAD. MSM business as usual.
Republican:
Guilliani is already going broke......
Democrat:
Richardson has already given up.....
Biden and Dodd are also out....
Where did the leftover campaign money go? DNC.
The very same DNC that is trying to stop Dennis Kucinich from the race; for NOT wanting to comply to the DNC request to promise to SUPPORT a candidate who wins the nomination....even if it goes against what KUCINICH beliefs.
That is the SAD delemma; ironically DNC asking to give up his RIGHTS for the DNC PARTY. Kucinich has proven that HE is a defender of our CONSTITUTION through the excercise of his civil rights and his ACTION as a CONGRESSMAN.
WE the people of a FREEWORLD should follow HIS exampleS
WE will NOT be bullied! WE will STAND Before HIM for KUCINICH IS STANDING for US.
Its a FAIR GAME......................
Howard Beale is My Muse @ 101
I believe I only gave the number of elections from what he wrote because as I said it sounds right. If you think that the number is wrong then check the number yourself. As to him being a conservative, he call himself "practical European socialist". That's not conservative.
I think you're just a "sensitive" edwards supporter
leslie @ 103
That's standard for most lawyers that take on such cases.
But don't pretend you're a great champion of the people when you get 33% or so of the winnings.
As to his book , no thanks, he's not worth the time to me
Thing Fish @ 104
When he was in the senate he was a DLC corporate-whore. if you want to believe he's done a 180, that's fine. I want some proof, and his record doesn't back it up.
As to the "D.L.C. Leaders Cut Edwards Out" if you read it, al from is talking about the primary race.
Biggus Diggus @ 123:
I don't hear a heck of a lot of detail in any candidate's stump speech. If you're truly interested in knowing his plans, go to Edwards' website. That has detailed coverage of his plans.
Check out Lawrence O'Donnell's post on Huffington Post. Scary. It's an aggressive anti-Edwards rant, basically complaining that Edwards has no business seeking the Democratic nomination because he is neither black nor a woman.
tyree @ 94:
Don't write Kucinich off just yet. I think this throwing his backing behind Obama was to put Hillary in third place as opposed to second place if he backed Edwards. I do remember that he said it was for Iowa only. Edwards has substance and Dennis knows John can take care of himself.
The real problem for any anti corporatist lies with the President of the Nation Chamber of Commerce who has committed over 60 million dollars into derailing ANY anti-corporatist candidate. His interview made the MSM in the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-chamber8jan08,0,4301350.story...
Former Republican @ 136:
I Agree Tyree....don't back down yet. It is too early in the game. Backing down to what we believe means giving up to the ESTABLISHMENTS. If you truly believe in Kucinich and desire him to be your leader............then follow HIS lead. There is a "STRATEGY" to win this race. Don't let the MSM take control of YOU......!
If YOU give-in and give-up.....THEN you lose......WE lose.....Our Nation lose......Our Power as PEOPLE are LOST.
chris @ 24:
Since the lobbyist are working and being paid by large corporations and the politicians are in bed with the lobbyist to get elected or reelected and after the politician (hillary and obama) are elected they do what the corporations dictate leaving the average joe taxpayer nothing. There truly isn't a democracy in the US because of Lobbying and Edwards hit the nail on the head with his banning of lobbyist. The US has very little freedoms now, comrade.
Proud American @ 137:
The FACIST strategy #1 is to DEMORALIZE........
Once you have succeeded then #2 is to CONTROL.......
then they can EXPLOIT you......
centavo @ 80:
Nah, I just ripped it off from an episode of the Simpsons, kinda like where Family Guy gets all their "jokes" from.
139 Proud America
The FACIST strategy #1 is to DEMORALIZE……..
Once you have succeeded then #2 is to CONTROL…….
then they can continue to EXPLOIT you……
No.4, the reason the media and the one percent of the rich do not support Edwards is because they want to war with other countries to create one world economy. In addition, they would like to keep the majority of the Americans in poverty and slums and that meant you have created criminals and idiots in the nation. Edwards is a hindrance to their goal.
America has become a warmongering nation. Under republican admin., we almost vanquished the civilians of Iraq. What a victory in the oil business! Heck, I am being sarcastic!
Under Edwards, he may reconstruct America's glory. Wow, I sound like his election advisor. LOL He should reinforce this message by radio, tv, C&L and other networks.
Biggus Diggus @ 123:
What bullshit. Do you mean to say that Mr. Edwards hasn't knocked on your door to explain to your face his plans?
Dear, he's published a booklet that outlines his policies and his plans, all the nuts and bolts you so crave.
Do your research before posting nonsense like this.
Who would make the best president? Clinton? Obama? Edwards? Check it out:
http://skirsch.com/politics/president/comparison.htm
Ron @ 141:
correction:
Once they (FACIST) have suceeded in demoralizing the public (and they give-in), then #2 is to control.
Edward is a good alternative; but he has yet to prove that he will defend the CONSTITUTION. Each candidate would have to agree and understand that if they become PRESIDENT and abuse that power; that it IS necessary that they be remove from office.
They have to support the fundamental duty of the Congress and Senate to excercise the process of IMPEACHMENT when they are obligated to do so.
This MOST important ISSUE is being SUPPRESSED from the political dialog and debates. And YET the CONGRESS has NOT acted to defend our Constitution from the violators. It is long overdue for Congress to begin an IMPEACHMENT hearing. IMPEACHMENT will reverse and undue the done by the lawless Bush Regime and restore CHECKS and BALANCE to a co-equal government. Not doing it NOW would mean that the expanded power IS open to the NEXT PRESIDENT.........which means NOT and EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
He's not my first choice, but since the MSWhoreM is marginalizing Kucinich, I will vote for Edwards.
Message to those Dems who want me to be a DittoHead and vote for whomever the MSWM and elites nominate (Obama, Clinton), it's Edwards or I write in Kucinich. If the Dems want to play that game, they cannot count on me voting for their DLC stooge.
I never could see what anyone sees in Clinton, and that goes the same for Obama.
Biggus Diggus
Lollimom's right. In fact, Edwards is the ONLY candidate who's put his platform in writing, and it is comprehensive and detailed, intended for voters to read, understand, and question. You can't get much more transparent than that about what you intend to do. Here it is. You'll need to download it, a very readable PDF file.
No other candidate has gone to this kind of trouble for the American people, NOR is willing to put his/her agenda on paper. It indicates a willingness to stand up for what one says, not "triangulate" or win votes with rah-rah rallies.
I received my absentee ballot today and I will be voting for John Edwards in the Presidential Primary election.
It's funny how Edwards has formed this persona of having fought greedy corporations on behalf of the people. He was a trial lawyer who made millions suing these large companies for as huge a settlement as he could possibly get. He's not Robin Hood.
Gee, I just made and post and it didn't show up!
Anyway, this is the heart of what it was:
Here's John Edwards' Platform, a PDF file.
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