Tammy Baldwin (WI-02) Joins Wexler In Calling For Hearings
By Nicole Belle Monday Jan 21, 2008 3:45pmOn Dec. 14, I joined with my colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee, Reps. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) and Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), in urging Chairman Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) to conduct hearings on a resolution of impeachment now pending consideration in that committee.
Among my constituents, there are those who say I have gone too far in calling for Congress to examine possible impeachable offenses by the Bush administration. There are also those who argue I have not gone far enough. In letters, emails, phone calls, personal conversations and listening sessions, I have heard passionate arguments from those who think we are losing our democracy and that I should do more to hold the Bush administration accountable for its actions.
The call to impeach is one I did not take lightly. But as we said in our letter to Chairman Conyers, the issues are too serious to ignore. We simply cannot discount or overlook numerous, credible allegations of abuse of power by the Bush administration that, if proven, may well constitute high crimes and misdemeanors under our Constitution. To prove this, we must follow the form of the signers of our own Declaration of Independence who wrote, "let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
As I said before, I think the framing that Wexler and company are opting for is the absolute right one and one that is difficult with which to argue: call for hearings. Let's not put the cart before the horse and determine the outcome (impeachment) and scare off nervous politicos. Instead, we charge Congress to do their constitutionally mandated job of oversight and simply hold hearing into possible wrongdoing. Do not forget that the Republican-controlled Congress was adamantly against impeachment of Richard Nixon until what was revealed in the investigations made it untenable for them to support Nixon any longer.
If you have not signed the petition at WexlerWantsHearings.com, please do so. My insider sources are telling me that the House leadership is getting very nervous at this growing snowball that is heading towards them. Let's make it an avalanche.
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A Democrat with spine... and here I thought the species was all but extinct.
Thank you, Congressmember Baldwin.
Impeachers just hate freedom.
A year is not much time, but each time a congress person comes on board it sends a signal to the Bush administration that they are not above the law.
Someone tell Pelosi "the Watergate tapes weren't even thought about UNTILL The hearing started?"
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why HEARINGS are going to
hurt Hillary or anyone else's chances at the WH?
START THE HEARINGS, FLOOD THESE CROOKS WITH SUBPOENAS!
AlphaFactor @ 1:
One thing's for certain - the spine that Reid and Pelosi share isn't strong enough to get impeachment back on the table.
Fight FTW!
Accountability? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Naw
I mean, I wish, but ...... naw
Congress is full of Boneless chickens. I've been signing petitions and writing Congress for three friggin years, at least it's good to know they didn't end up in the round file.
I'm scared to sign the petition, I think Cheney is the monster that lives under my bed
He scares the Dick-ens outta me.
" I think the framing that Wexler and company are opting for is the absolute right one and one that is difficult with which to argue: call for hearings."
The evidence is abundant and already in evidence. Calling for hearings at this point is a waste of time we don't have.
For the Cheney impeachment to go forward, there are two requirements, VOTING OUT the bill to the floor, and then getting another 30 or so votes for the passage of the bill -- and somehow restraining the impeachment to Cheney (not Bush).
If the House could be convinced that the impeachment of Cheney will not be followed by the filing of impeachment of Bush, it would have support and pass. If the Bush matter comes forward at the same time (or if the fear is that the Cheney impeachment is just a start), both will fail.
A cleverly-fashioned impeachment of Cheney with some sort of reassurance that there won't be a direct move against the "actual President" ten minutes later would remove the primary objection to the Cheney process moving to the Senate.
“let Facts be submitted to a candid world.”
Wow. Those words are like sunlight and garlic to the vampires of Bushworld.
Blue Lensman @ 5:
Pelosi probably would support impeachment of Cheney if the process were somehow confined to him and enough R showed themselves willing to vote it forward so it isn't only Democrats.
Who cares what Reid thinks?
I'm still writing my congressmen, the Bush/Cheney lapdog Eric Cantor.
I am still demanding impeachment. Yes -- I am discouraged, but that's
what They want, isn't it? So keep writing, calling, e-mailing -- hang out
your signs, stick on your bumper stickers. While I'm not exactly going down
fighting, at least I've got my middle finger up.
all you people that want bush impeached so bad have hillary and bill to thank for bush getting away with all this shit
it is hillary and bill clinton that let the independent counsel office die because it was "wasting" money investigating their numerous illegal dealings including bill pressuring for an illegal 300,000 loan to Susan McDougal while gov and oh what about hillary saying she never knew of files the FBI wanted and they end up found with her fingerprints
wow, so anyone on this site that is for impeachment of bush damn well better be supporter Obama or you show yourself just playing political games - willing to put up with a sleazy corrupt criminal that shares some views with you but damn to hell the one that doesn't
Prediction: Pelosi loses reelection bid.
Cheney was at the controls of NORAD on 9-11 and according to Mineta ,who was next to him ,Cheney didn"t order an intercept of the incoming. By what God Damn Standard Is This incompetent fool allowed to have anything to do with our government. Thanks for nothing Nancy, another out of touch bastard who HATES THE CONSTITUTION and WHAT IT USED TO STAND FOR.
Thank you for speaking out, Congresswoman Baldwin. Let us hope that others will join you.
Let us hope that the wave continues to build.
I hope it crests about November 7.
We must start talking freely now of the Impeachable and Treasonous Offenses that these Criminals have committed. Our country is worth it. If we can talk freely about Britney Spears vagina and Paris Hilton's sex life, I think we can handle the atrocities that are occurring in the wake of the 9/11 Shock and Awe and Anthrax Investigation. Certainly we were Shock & Awed after 9/11. We all were. But that must be wearing off a bit after all we've seen since then. And thank to Rep. Baldwin. I hope she takes her responsibilities very seriously in these matters.
Let's kick 'em while they're down!
Impeaches and Herb!
Paul in LA @ 9:
you made points (point which I substantiably agreed with) earlier in time about the fear of impeachment because it would, with the current composition of the Senate, be tantamount to giving the current administration an opportunity to make their actions legal and unactionable.
Do you still think that the case? or has something changed?
Or was that not you?
if not I stand mistaken. maybe it was LA Confidential.
Orangutan. @ 18:
It's time to start calling them what they are, traitors, pure and simple. Those found guilty of treason are deserving of nothing more than a last cigarette and a blindfold.
budda @ 13:
great rant! That kind of reasoning is exactly why I won't vote for clinton or obama.
tjb @ 15:
"Incompetence" is only one possibility.
Paul in LA @ 11:
Absolutely. Chris Dodd didn't care when he stood up to filibuster the FISA bill. Reid is probably still taking nitro glycerine for fear that the telecoms won't love him anymore. If he doesn't want to be an effective leader, stand down and let the true patriots with courage and conviction straighten the crooked road of our political system.
ysbaddaden @ 20:
after all the Blood, Sweat and Tears!
phayce @ 24:
It can't be called incompetence when you look at the growth in Dick's pockets.
cmon
this is too late, why bother now
they waited to long to start this
a year from now we will start with another asshole in the white
house. probably a democrat, but we can be sure he or she will be an asshole
I don't understand why Wexler needs my signature to do his job. But I've signed the petition and I hope everyone else has too.
Johnny2Bad @ 14:
Pelosi's district: 1/3 Jewish, 1/3 business, 1/3 everyone else.
Pelosi is one of the most consistent workers for GLBT rights in the history of the Congress. That's a solid chunk of that other 1/3.
GSM Sheehan will run a lackluster campaign because she does NOT want to be a Representative. How many house-to-house hours is she putting in? ZERO. It's media heavy, low impact campaigning, ala Fred Thompson. It doesn't stand a chance in November, especially because having the Speaker in your district is the catbird seat, and C. Sheehan would be just seat number 435 instead.
OMG, now if the rest of congress would follow suit. Spineless jackasses.
jim @ 28:
impeachment - the idea - will keep an important issue in front of the american as the election rolls around. it just might be the Dems greatest campaign strategy.
Orangutan. @ 29:
To help convince others (R) to do theirs.
bmw 528 @ 25:
Reid, a milquetoast, is in that position because the Dem caucus in the Senate is split 50-50 (25-25). Until Americans elect different Senators, that split will prevent progress, and it isn't correct to pretend that Reid is the problem -- he's representative of the problem, but the problem is at the STATE level.
My bitch woke me up the other night with a new squeaky toy. She found it herself and it was alive, for awhile. What could I say but, "good girl". That's the way I day dream of impeachment hearings going.
Note; she didn't torment the poor pest, she just put it down humanely.
budda @ 13:
That is utterly unhistorical.
You may recall a guy named Gingrich. He's a co-conspirator, and was back then as well. Removing that DEMOCRATIC law was key to avoiding prosecution for the upcoming crimes. To blame the Clintons is so ripe you can smell it over at the next blog.
We have less than a year of this Administration. It's not their money they're wasting. I would prefer we make them use our resources to fight against the hearings, than say wasting them concocting new ways to mess our Country up any further. A lot can happen in a year, and the axe can swing both ways.
Not just the clear cutting way BushCo. has been using it.
Anyway, what kind of example are we leaving for our children? They should not stand up when wronged, that our leaders are always right even when they are stealing our souls.
think of the children....put their asses on the block, in courtrooms and lets squeeze the juice out of them as an example of what you can't do....
Orangutan. @ 29:
My question also. There have been petitions circulated for the last year plus, with
as many as 1,000,000 signtures, and this one now has apprx. 212,000, so what
difference is my signature on this going to make when I've signed so many others?
CoIntelPro @ 27:
That part's called "coincidence."
It is absolutely not too late to impeach. Tammy's my Representative, and I'm so proud to have her and Russ Feingold representing me.
I agree, how many damned online impeachment petitions is it going to take? It seems there is a new one every week.
We are being played for fools.
dumbstruck @ 41:
Or are they building a database of names??
212,000 + and growing like a runaway snowball.
Doggiebobo @ 37:
This is the first one being circulated by a member of the House of Representatives. He's working on getting this introduced in a manner that will make it difficult, if not impossible, for the "off the table" impeachment people to fight him. That is why this is NOT about impeachment (and I direct this to Paul in LA @9), but about simply opening an investigation. Let the chips fall where they may.
Again, my sources are telling me that certain members of the House leadership on both sides of the aisle are VERY nervous about this because this tactic is more or less bulletproof unless they want to openly admit that they are nothing more than rubber stampers.
I've been in communication with Wexler's office weekly. This is a man on our side and truly stunned by the ferocity of feeling out in the netroots. I keep talking about the Beltway bubble, but I don't know that you guys are getting it. They are very insulated from what's happening in DC. We're working to pierce through that bubble.
Thank God for Congressmember Baldwin.
Nicole Belle @ 43:
Thanks Nichole for explanation; but still needing answering is why does my one signature
or that of 200K others really make a difference in moving forward w/an investigation?
Does Wexler's office need a specific number of signatures in order to proceed? Just
seems to me that regardless if he receives 100K or 1Million or whatever number, HE
and other members of Congress are the only one's who can make this work if HE can
obtain enough votes in the U.S. Congress; and not the number of us who support such
action.
"The call to impeach is one I did not take lightly."
So, what was your tipping point - starting wars for fun and profit, torturing prisoners, or wiping his ass with the Constitution?
If anyone doesn't think we need Hearings ASAP please check out a few of the documentaries on Google Video's "Most Viewed" List.
House "leadership". Pretty funny.
Right frickin' on!! Where are the rest of those Dems who want to support their constituents and join this group by speaking from a position of personal integrity?? Impeach the White House thieves and their aides.
Thank you Tammy Baldwin.
We cannot let all of these crimes become an acceptable precedent.
AMERICA = Good.
THE PEOPLE = Good.
BUSH = Bad, Criminal
CHENEY = Bad, Criminal
the Bush Administration has really given the Internet a work out.
Bush and Cheney will end up being the most investigated administration for many years to come...
http://thekomisarscoop.com/2007/05/27/politicizing-the-justice-departmen...
212,142.
We're going to make it to 250K!
CalGeorge @ 51:
So?
Nice looking chick.
Again, my sources are telling me that certain members of the House leadership on both sides of the aisle are VERY nervous about this because this tactic is more or less bulletproof unless they want to openly admit that they are nothing more than rubber stampers.
Thanks Nicole.
What I would like to know is WHO are the democrats who are blocking this?
And WHAT is their reasoning? I hear this "distraction" from the election, and this will rally the Republics, but, they are in total disarray, and the battle is for the independents anyway?
There is not ONE Democrat in the field that doesn't benefit from the dirt this brings out...
My only guess would be, there are some skeletons buried in the Democrats closest, some of the "inside folks" who signed off on wiretapping, torture, etc, and what those bodies buried deep....
The nine Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee who favor impeachment hearings:
Robert Wexler, Fla.
Luis Gutierrez, Ill.
Anthony Weiner, N.Y.
Tammy Baldwin, Wisc.
Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas
Steve Cohen, Tenn.
Keith Ellison, Minn.
Maxine Waters, Calif.
Hank Johnson, Ga.
Check out this list.
List of Members of House Judiciary Committee
Maybe YOUR CongressCritter needs an e-mail of encouragement to support HR 799 impeachment hearings against Vice-President Dick Cheney.
This is an excerpt from Arthur Silbers blog "Once Upon a Time......"
(t)he Democrats are not going to impeach any of these criminals, barring events entirely unforeseeable at present. And they will not for one overwhelmingly significant and determinative reason: always with regard to the underlying principles, and frequently with regard to the specifics, the Democrats are implicated in every single crime with which they would charge the members of the administration. The Republicans' crimes are their crimes.
...
Try to grasp this finally, before it is too late: the Democrats may differ from the Republicans on matters of detail, or emphasis, or style. But with regard to the fundamental political principles involved, everything that has happened over the last six years -- just as is the case with everything that has happened over the last one hundred years -- is what the Democrats want, too.
This should not be a difficult point to understand. The historical record is compelling in its clarity, and overpowering in its length and volume. A corporatist, authoritarian state is what the ruling elites want, and it is precisely what serves their interests, Republican and Democrat alike. They know it; they count on your inability or refusal to see it.
Study history closely and you'll see that what he says is true. There will be NO impeachment and Corporate America will continue.
After this Padilla judgement, impeachment is a necessity.
Dave @ 55:
What a mountain of crap. What Arthur here calls "underlying principles" is otherwise known as reality. Joining the R in the reality of power politics is not complicity in Bushco crimes.
What Bushco has done it has done illegally, with threats and violence, as a coup. If Arthur can't figure that out, or is too busy scoring disaffiliated leftist points, then he is not a good reference.
The impeachment is not going forward because activists have failed to achieve any significant support on the R side.
Without a R call for impeachment, it is a partisan act (or will be spun that way). Even with that, I think the Cheney impeachment can go forward with a sufficient push even only on the D side.
Arthur's approach achieves nothing but further scapegoating for crimes which our democracy is not designed to manage in the absence of a functioning legal system, or a truth-telling mass-market press.
Although I totally support these hearings the comment "Do not forget that the Republican-controlled Congress was adamantly against impeachment of Richard Nixon until what was revealed in the investigations made it untenable for them to support Nixon any longer" is not correct. The Democrats controlled (very heavily) the House and the Senate during those years. The impeachment hearings were conducted by Peter Rodino (Democrat) and the final impeachment votes in July of 1974 (I actually attended the Watergate Hearings the year before) had quite a few Republicans voting with the Democrats on the first three articles of impeachment. That will not happen this time...the Republicans are too polarized and care more about what their base thinks than what is good for the Constitution and the country.
MountainMan23 @ 55:
I find it hard to believe that Nadler is not on that list.
You also leave off this Conyers guy, who I think would also happily vote for such.
Regarding Comment #4: The Nixon tapes were discovered during the Senate Select Committee chaired by Sam Ervin (D-NC). The testimony by Alexander Butterfield was the source of the existence of the White House taping system. It was not until the Supreme Court (9-0 vote) required Nixon to release the June 21st 1972 tape where it showed that he was an active participant in the Watergate cover-up. This "smoking gun" tape is why Barry Goldwater and other senior Republicans went to Nixon and told him that his political support in Congress was all but gone.
WashStateBlue @ 54:
No, nonsense. Nothing like that would come out anyhow (not that there is any significant such).
It's mainly because it will be partisan, along party lines, and that is not good process in such a weighty issue. It's crap, but the real deal is the total failure of the DoJ or the courts to function as a check on the coup, and the total complicity of the major media. Those two FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT FACTORS are plenty, without recourse to this backhanded slap at the D.
robert @ 61:
And he resigned four days later.
Why would anyone want to impeach Cheney? Did he get a hummer or something?
Doggiebobo @ 52:
Hold your question mark high, doggie. We never have enough people arguing for doing nothing about anything. Where have you been all our lives?
212222 signed up
and counting...
http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/
Nicole Belle @ 43:
I see your point, in light of the suggestion of only nine votes in the committee (which is far worse than I presumed).
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 41:
They are, and I for one am very proud to be near the top (chronologically) of the list with my big-ole John Hancock.
Death to tyrants.
If you really want to debate an issue here it is. Let's suppose that on the last day and last hour of the Bush administration "W" gets a list of 100 names on it and exercising his Presidential Pardon authority gives a complete and unlimited pardon to everyone on the list for anything they did from 2001 to Jan 2009. The last name on the list is George W. Bush.
Can a President of the United States pardon himself? Does that authority rest with him? If the Supreme Court agrees then the President is truly above the law. Why? Because if Congress cannot or will not do the political remedy (Impeachment) then the only way to bring him and Cheney to justice is thru statutory prosecution (Obstruction of justice and Violation of FISA to begin with.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!
Paul in LA @ 65:
See my #45 and perhaps you'll better understand where I'm coming from...
Bush Scrapped White House Email Archiving System, Violating Court Orders
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2...
sent by emf since 6 hours 37 minutes, published about 2 hours 11 minutes
Bush's White House early on scrapped a custom email archiving system that the Clinton administration had adopted under a federal court order. From 2001 to 2003, the Bush White House also recorded over computer backup tapes that provided a last line of defense for preserving emails, even though a similar practice landed the Clinton administration in legal trouble. Court orders and statutes require the preservation of email records.
tags: bush, email, accountability
http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=37658
I say we have the Federal Investigators Check the RNC email records!
First, thank you , Nicole. You and Avedon Carol have been some of the few large audience bloggers who have kept impeachment on the blogo-table. Ad as you correctly observe, the Washington bubble is made of some super tough ignore-the-people-and-your-sworn-duty plastic material that requires a lot of sharp jabbing to poke a hole big enough to let in the truth… so, every petition counts, every phone call, every email, every body camped out on their local office doorsteps, every threat of primary challenge, every g-d post on every g-d blog counts until we get these criminals and their lies exposed to every person in America.
And thank you, Ms Baldwin for doing your duty. I hope all those reading this post will look at those dems who have not yet cast off the chains of Pelosi-ism (Lofgren, Nadler, Berman, Conyers ) or Careerism ( Wasserman-Shultz, Watt, Davis) or defeatocratism (Delahunt, Sherman, Wiener, Sutton ) and renew their efforts to convince these reps that they must do their sworn duty and hold impeachment hearings. (and never forget the indefatigable Mike Meyers, who has daily made his voice heard for impeachment.)
robert @ 69:
More to the point, can a President who is guilty of such massive crimes pardon co-conspirators. The Court would have to rule on that, and his pardons might well be canceled.
Doggiebobo @ 70:
Public action is needed at every step of the way.
This is a good step, minus the scapegoating.
Events are going to overtake these efforts, for the better. Bushco is teetering on a catastrophic collapse of their remaining 'credibilty.'
OUR push is needed to help that happen--many midwives, less backbiting about the kid's name.
Three down, 300 to go. Impeachment will happen the same time we get whacked by Haley-Bopp.
moondancer @ 75:
Six months ago, my Representative, Diane Watson, said that impeachment was 30 votes shy in the House. That's not an insurmountable number in that body.
Scandals are not going away. They are going to rain down like fiery rocks on the heads of the scoundrels, even if the cynics have to suck sugar candy through their scented handkerchiefs.
Thank you Tammy for standing up and really representing the American people as you swore you would do.
The Kabuki Whores of the Vichy Congress will continue to ignore the will of the citizens here. They will continue to obstruct, stall, and lie, to prevent impeachment hearings from ever being opened. They don't want to overturn the constitutional revolution achieved by the junta, they want to take over the hellish government apparatus that CheneyCo erected INTACT. Which they can hardly do if they impeach Darth and his little ape for creating it. I refuse to buy into the "They're being blackmailed by the junta" theory, considering the almost daily "financial" and sexual scandals racked up by the repthugs. The Dems who are key in blocking immediate impeachment, from 2006 on, are, at the very least, morally complicit in every crime, every atrocity, every financial scam the junta has committed. Why would they change now? They will continue to pretend they maybe sometime will consider discussing it. And the Kabuki continues....
I LOVE Rep. Tammy Baldwin, and posted about this in December. She is definitely someone to watch, and deserves all our support!
BAC
Grandma Jefferson @ 79:
Based on your theory, everyone in Chicago was guilty of Capone's crimes.
But I'm curious why you cut off your complicity rant at 2006? Why not 2005?
Geee, what a novel idea.
I still scratch my head when I think these bat crazy repugs went after Bill for getting a blow job and denying it. Holy shit, are we an upside down, crazy nation.
This fool and his darth vader co-hort have managed to ruin the reputation, kill thousands upon thousands of military and innocent civilians in Iraq, mame hundreds of thousands more, create thousands more radical Muslim fundamentalist terrorists, drained our treasury to fund this ass-crazy war of aggression; and we are debating whether or not they might be worthy of impeachment hearings??? Erased documents, outting CIA agents for revenge, illegal wire tapping, etc, etc.
We are one bat crazy nation of fools.
IMPEACH THE SONS OF BITCHES!!!
Blue Lensman @ 5:
reid and pelosi do not have backbones because they are Flowing in their own in watergates ,Nancy for instance as a daughter that was in bedded with lil bush thru the 2000 campaign ,and she owns Vinyards in California that are skirting laws concerning People trying to make a dollar from across the border .the fact that Dodo bush's husband also owns Vinyards and is the brother in law of lil bush is getting prferential treatment regarding aliens ,illegal and legal... Reid is under investigationfor some kind of land deal.. anyone who takes up our cause should be commended ,we have to bring them down for accountability ,The Japanese Government (parliament is trying to reopen 911 investigation and find a legal way to arrest lil bush
It's sort of an interesting side note that the Watergate era Supreme Court voted 9 to 0 to force Nixon to give up the tapes (or some variation on that theme). I can't even *imagine* our current set of supremes doing anything remotely like that.
That makes me sad.
giantpeach @ 8:
I signed the petition, but have to admit that I was a little nervous, because Cheney scares the Dick-ens out of me, too. I thought more people would sign up and I'm guessing that our lack of Constitutional Rights is a factor. It's just what they want us to do...cower. Let's stand up and show our numbers and thus our strength! Speaking of action, Naomi Wolf's book End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot is very inspiring. (ISBN: 978-1-933392-79-0 ; buy it from your local bookstore, they don't turn over their data to marketers or Big Brother) She lists the 10 steps to dictatorship as:
1. Invoke an internal and external threat
2. Establish Secret Prisons
3. Develop a Paramilitary Force
4. Surveil Ordinary Citizens
5. Infiltrate Citizens' Groups
6. Arbitrarily Detain and Release Citizens
7. Target Key Individuals
8. Restrict the Press
9. Cast Criticsim as "Espionage" and Dissent as "Treason"
10. Subvert the Rule of Law
Take heart though, here is a quote from the end of her "letter":
"Bullies are cowards. Time and again, when people have awakened to danger and risen together to confront those who have sought to oppress them, citizens in their thousands have crumbled walls and broken open massive prisons. In our own nation, in times of eclipse, patriots have become rebels again and said:'No; the nation is not going down, not on my watch.'
When this happens, there is no power that can hold these patriots back.
I hope this emboldens you."
It did me.
They all should have been impeached yesterday.
Bring the troops home now!
Go, Tammy! Thank you so much for this decision, and your action.
I think I even sent a check to your campaign -- glad I did.
Tammy Baldwin, today's Best Person In The Wooorld"
Thank You Rep. Baldwin for your support and calling the Judiciary Committee to fulfill their duty in accordance to the U.S. Constitution.
I pledge to support you when it is time for your re-election.
Your courage will not go un-noticed.
Ozguy @ 10:
thats a top notch comment if ever i heard one, thanks :)
joseph p bell @ 83:
You could at least organize your slanders, joseph.
Speaker Pelosi's daughter's film on Bush--so what? She was working for NBC during the 2000 run, and carried a small videocamera along -- and then made a documentary out of it, and got six Emmy nominations (won one). It's not very good, and it isn't pointed, it's a film about what a bonehead-but-charismatic bumbler Bush is. Your snark about being 'bedded' is sexist and incorrect. She did a political documentary -- oh my.
As for the vineyards, they sold those plots so they could become vineyards, taking advantage of the Napa boom, which is how they made their abundant wealth. Unless you think people should not make money buying and selling real estate, you have absolutely nothing to sniff at in those sales, which hurt no one.
If you are looking for enemies, I can point several out. Nancy Pelosi is not one of them, but look how desperate you are to find something more to hate her for.
Different Anonymous @ 84:
Take into account that Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy all violated their oaths in 2000 when they ruled for their candidate. They can be impeached for that, if we ever have the political power for it.
By the by, John Kerry would make an excellent replacement for any of those three.
I would suggest everyone contact Tammy Baldwins office and voice their thanks and give support.
Make sure everyone signs the petition at www.impeachbush.org-we have 990,960 signatures-It would be great to get this to the million mark.
Let's keep the pressure on and rid OUR White House of this wicked infestation!
For those who visit Wexlers web site - ,
If you watch the video, I am proud to say I am one of those 189,000 signatures
THE LOGIC OF MADAM SPEAKER-OF-THE-HOUSE NANCY PELOSI
Dear Madam Speaker:
In spite of evidence presented to you even by constitutional scholars that George W. Bush has violated his oath of office as president of the United States, you refuse to put the Impeachment of George W. Bush “on the table” as you phrase it. You say it is more important than for us to “heal the nation’s wounds” than to undergo the turmoil which would accompany another impeachment.
I would like to present to you a hypothetical situation—that being the prospect of my being an Iraqi grandfather, with the same type of loving family as that which you proudly introduced to the American people when you assumed the office as Madame Speaker.
Let us assume that Mr. Bush were not the president of the United State, but that he was still under the influence of drugs and alcohol as he was for many years, and that as a drunk driver, he ran a red light and killed one of your children and two of your beloved grand-children. Would you say to the public that punishment of Mr. Bush to the full extent of the law is “off the table” because it is more important for us to “heal the nation’s wounds” than to undergo the turmoil of punishing Mr. Bush (the scion of a very prominent American family) for his failure of responsibility.
One of your President Bush’s bombs just did just kill one of my sons and two of my beloved grandchildren. (Try if you can to picture me parading them on American TV as you did yours.) And there are thousands of Iraqi citizens who have suffered similar fates since 2003, when Mr. Bush violated international law (making him a war criminal) and invaded our country. Nazi war criminals were hanged for the same crimes.
What is it about your son and beloved grand-children that makes them more valuable to you than you seem to think my son and grand-children are to me?
What is it that makes your family more valuable than that of THOUSANDS of Iraqi children?
What is it about your thought process which allows you to tolerate illegal and immoral, irresponsible and criminal acts against my children by your president (while he violates your constitution) when you would not tolerate such acts against your children for a moment.
What is it about your thought process, which allows you to think that American political turmoil is more offensive than the destruction of thousands of families like yours and mine, and the entire infrastructure of our country?
I know not whether to call this racism, selective application of moral principles, blindness, political cowardice, or base ignorance, or several or all of the above.
Perhaps, Madam Speaker, you can clarify this for me.
Signed:
two7five7one
Iraq
"Impeachment is off the table" _Nancy Pelosi
How clear does Pelosi have to make it? Democrats who continue to beat that dead horse are completely divorced form reality. If the Republicans retain the White House in 2008, it will be precisely because of the lunacy on the far left.
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CONGRESS SITS ON THEIR HANDS
... TO HIDE THE BLOOD STAINS.
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CONGRESS CAN NOT DEFINE HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS
... WITHOUT ADMITTING THEIR COMPLICIT GUILT TO THE FACTS!
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Just HOW is Congress supporting and defending OUR constitution of the U.S.A. when they consistently allow it’s usurpation and wanton and willful violation. Forget the fact that Congress doesn’t care they’ve been supplanted by the Administration, for they deserve what they tolerate, but to NOT support and defend THE PEOPLE’S RIGHTS… IS A BETRAYAL OF THE HIGHEST.
T R E A S O N!
Thank you Congresswoman Baldwin,
For standing on the side of principles.
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this country needs more backbone ,
Throw your fucking TVEEE's out , read some real news ( while you still can ) on the net and do something to save our country .
nancy P. you are a POS ! .
Paul in LA Says: Grandma Jefferson @ 79:
key in blocking immediate impeachment, from 2006 on, are, at the very least, morally complicit in every crime, every atrocity, every financial scam the junta has committed. Why would they change now?
Based on your theory, everyone in Chicago was guilty of Capone’s crimes.
But I’m curious why you cut off your complicity rant at 2006? Why not 2005?
---That would be when they "obtained majorities" however slim, in both houses of Congress, of course, and continued to roll over on command of the repthugs.
Your attack is entirely twisted and off point but that's your style, Paul.
I hold the Democrats responsible for ignoring the will of the people who voted them into office. Unlike the citizens of Chicago who were in no position to stop
Capone, Congress is entirely empowered to stop BuschCo. and has not only refused, but worked hard at enabling them, with few exceptions. I realize you live to defend these people, but you might pick a less corrupt and more worthy group for your efforts. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, you probably need it now to keep going.
How quickly some people seem to forget that Bush/Cheney, like any other citizen of the United States, are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law (or in the case of impeachment, the United States Congress). Denying them this right, while in the same breath excoriating them for not upholding the Constitution, is highly inconsistent thinking at its core. I'm a strong advocate for impeachment, if for no other reason than to bring a sense of legal closure to these unsettled question, especially in light of the extreme partisan/ideological divisions in this country, which seems to dominate some people's entire existence. In traversing the blogosphere, it's incredible how many people derive their own sense goodness from the badness of Bush/Cheney. I wonder what would happen to some people if there was an impeachment and Bush and/or Cheney were found innocent.
"Gone too far" ?!? These criminals should have been impeached, tried for their crimes and imprisoned long ago.
Too far? Give us a friggin' break.
The only way America can possibly start redeeming itself is to ensure Bush & Cheney do not leave office on their own. We, as a country, MUSt repudiate and reject their illegal and immoral actions and we can best demonstrate that by impeaching.
There has *never* been a time more suited for bringing impeachment hearings. the offenses are flagrant and numerous. We cannot regain our honour or integrity unless we march down this patha nd clean our own house.
budda @ 13:
Kucinich Starts New Impeachment Drive
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
January 23, 2008, 12:57 pm
Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio may get excluded from Democratic presidential debates, as he has been recently, but no one can deny him the floor in the House.
And today Mr. Kucinich took to the floor to fire off his latest salvo at the Bush administration: his plans to introduce Articles of Impeachment against President Bush on Jan. 28 — the day of Mr. Bush’s State of the Union speech.
Accusing the administration of lying about the need for the war in Iraq, Mr. Kucinich said he did not need to hear the president’s
assessment. “We know the State of the Union,” he declared. “It’s a lie.”
He also fired a volley at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California
who has maintained that impeaching Mr. Bush is not on the table for Congressional Democrats. “If impeachment is off the table,” Mr. Kucinich said, “truth is off the table. If truth is off the table then this body is living a lie.”
Mr. Kucinich introduced Articles of Impeachment against Vice
President Dick Cheney last April and in November, with the surprise help of Republicans seeking to embarrass the Democrats, he nearly succeeded in securing an hour of debate on the House floor. House Democratic leaders blocked that, however, by referring the impeachment effort back to the Judiciary Committee.
Anti-Bush groups have been urging Mr. Kucinich to undertake an effort to impeach the president.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/kucinich-starts-new-impeac...
Dennis delivers Smackdown on Duhbya Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZuqbQcCJQ
A Goverment of Liars Must Be Brought Down
by Dave Lindorff
January 23, 2008
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dave_lin_080123_a_goverment_of_l...
Rep. Wexler Wants Cheney Impeachment Hearings
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQDLyKGX268
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3VRRtTA41hg
Hey, she's my representative!!! All you have to do is drive around downtown madison to see that there is a lot of support for this here. Impeach signs are all over the place.
GET SOME BALLS
impeach
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