Carl Bernstein: Hillary Clinton and NAFTA
By John Amato Wednesday Jan 30, 2008 11:01am
While discussing who John Edwards supporters would vote for on CNN, Carl Bernstein made an interesting statement about Hillary's take on NAFTA.
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Bernstein: Hillary Clinton's economics, the ones she preached to her husband in the White House are much closer to John Edwards then you would think. She argued with Bill Clinton when she was First Lady, her husband, she said 'Bill, you are doing Republican economics when you are doing NAFTA.' She was against NAFTA. And if she would somehow come out and tell the real story of what she fought for in the White House and failed in a big argument with her husband she would end up moving much closer to those Edwards followers.
Bob Somerby had some choice words for Bernstein over his Clinton book so I'm not taking this as fact or anything close to it, but I never heard it before so it made me curious.
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And where are the facts?
Can't Hillary speak for herself on this particular issue?
Has she?
How about letting Edwards supporters decide where they want to take their vote, rather than paid political pundits?
No it is true. On two scores. One she did argue against the politics of compromise. Second, the country is much different that in 1994. The Democratic Party is more to the left as is the country. There is a shift going on. Hillary might be more liberal than it appears at first glance.
But gawrsh, Hillary=Bush!!!1!1!!! So all the Paulians and Naderites say. How could it not be 100,000,000% true?
I did not know she was against NAFTA.
I think she should run ads on McInsane's answer to a question about the economy last night.
He totally blew that question.
Lollimom @ 2:
Traditionally, its more polite to ask the husband about these things.
Uh-huh. And this story about being closer to Edwards' view comes out a day after he drops out. Hmm.
and you're all scared of Nader?
Why hasn't she come out against NAFTA?
Because she's bought and sold!
I can't wait for Bloomberg and Nader to shake this race up (and make all of you cry).
For what it is worth, Sally Bedell Smith relate the same story:
"Sally Bedell Smith: There are countless examples throughout the book. Although she held no official position of executive leadership, Hillary had a role in crucial domestic and foreign policy decisions. To name just a few: in 1993 she talked her husband out of getting involved in the war in Bosnia because she thought it would be like Vietnam and would harm the chances for her health care plan. Two years later, after being secretly tutored by a State Department official, she became an advocate for the use of force in Bosnia because she feared Bill's inaction was harming him politically. In the summer of 1993 she tried to scuttle NAFTA and had to be dissuaded by Mickey Kantor, the trade representative and a longtime Clinton friend, who told her that Bill needed a bipartisan political victory.
WaPo
That clip actually makes me feel better towards Hillary now that Edwards is out of the race. Now if she or Obama would come out with a strong stand on diplomacy with Iran and a more fair and balanced stance on the Israeli Palestinian conflict...one of of them might win this 55 year old soccer mom over. I am not holding my breath
Justin RAimando's latest on treason
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12276.
come on !shes said nafta was allright and all nafta needed was just a little tweeking, WTFS that mean? nafta under clinton or obamas going on as planned , jobs and companys heading for china and next stop tibet ! thiers no honor among thieves!
Bullshit. It's also insulting to Edwards supporters to assume that one unsubstantiated rumor spread by a has been will sway them.
No, I'm not an Edwards Supporter™
Did Hubby Bill force her to vote to authorize war in Iraq?
Mike @ 9:
Ooohh...the ultimate corporatist Bloomberg & 'former consumer advocate - GOP funded' Nader...
Sorry, the Republicans will already have a ticket....the only people that will cry if they run are the people making less than 250,000/yr
Okay, so she was against NAFTA and only got behind it when she saw the damage it did to the point only weeks ago she was talking it up?
This from a woman who was silent about unions while on the Wal Mart board. She talks about 35 years of change. What kind of change? Union busting?
And now today a story broke in the New York Times about her husband having shady dealings with a Canadian businessman
And just this week she spit in the face of all democrats by going to FL and playing a beauty contest there
This site is so pro Hillary it is just plain wrong. DailyKos is much more fair.
anon @ 1:
Facts? You mean CNN deals with facts?
Haven't seen Clinton trying to repeal NAFTA, so she's apparently fine with "Republican economics." And maybe NAFTA's not so very Republican, after all, if most or all of Congress is ignoring it.
Kathleen @ 11:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1
Hillary was silent while Wal Mart busted unions. And check out the NY Times today for a story about yet another scandal with her husband.
Mike @ 9:
Oh, pul-leeze...I live in NY, and I like Mike Bloomberg, but I think his presidential candidacy would be, to paraphrase the late Norman Mailer, "one collective dead ass"...
I can't really look at Bernstein...he seems to have morphed into a terrier-like young frankenstein, scary Desi Arnaz monster....he should be limited to radio only.
John @ 14:
No, she was fooled by George Bush into voting for it.
All hail to The Queen !...c'mon C & L , stop pimping for Billary (or at least officially endorse her).
Nader/Edwards 08!
Hillary will definitely come out strongly against NAFTA ...
... just as soon as the focus groups say it's safe to.
And that, coincidentally, is when we'll find out she's always been opposed to NAFTA.
Hmmm, well if she was against it, is she still against it? And if she is against it why wouldn't she say she is against it and always was against it. It seems to me that she could use issues like this to separate herself from her husband's administration...and it also seems that pulling back from the "forward to the past" campaign might help her. So is she just "standing by her man"? Or what?
She was for the war before she was against it.
She was against NAFTA before she was for it.
My head is going to explode!!!
If she really wants the Floridians vote to count she should request another Caucass at a later date that can be counted... have a fair fight with Obama.
If you want to see an example of how NAFTA works, rent Bordertown, based on a true story. If free trade causes this kind of misery it needs to be removed from our system. Free trade is not fair trade. These people working in these factories are slaves.
Number 1: She lost the argument (presuming there was an argument) with a man who should have known this was not good for the country.
Number 2: She has leaned as hard as anyone to the right ONCE IN OFFICE.
You wanna believe words or actions?
There's no argument that anyone can make that will turn most Edwards supporters to Hillary supporters.
Only Obama can screw up the support Edwards voters will bring mostly his way. Woo us, baby. Don't screw us.
Uncle Jack @ 19:
I live in NYC, and I don't like Mike Bloomberg. But he'll open this race up and give voice to angry people on both sides.
I know how much C&L hates that.
At last . I fanally heard someone from msnbc mention something about the bill clinton library and who its donators are. And this is the biggest reason of all that I cant vote for Hillary. They are in the back pockets of too many of wrong people. And the republicans know that, and they are hoping and praying she will be the nominee. please keep asking these questions, or as democrats we are all going to be sorry for choosing her in the long run.
I've heard that before. But the part that gets left out is that Hillary was later convinced that, on balance, NAFTA would be good. But her first instincts were against NAFTA. However, she did KNOW that welfare reform was horrible, but caved in order to win re-election. The Clintons are bonafide progressives. This gets forgotten because of the rough political terrain in the 90's. Their first instincts are populist ones.
p.s: I'm supporting Obama, mostly because I cannot abide their tactics.
I am against NAFTA and always have been. Foreign trade, indeed.
BTW in one of Bill Clintons speaches while campaigning for Hillary, he said "NAFTA was a mistake". He should have listened to her. After all, she didn't fall off a turnip truck last week. Hillary has plenty of smarts and she won't back down. I kinda like her. Tough broad.
And once again, the slam Hillary bandwagon strips a once-respected journalist of their own credibility. Hillary is a powerful and effective political player. She may not always have the best position on an issue, but she isn't even half as sleazy as the multitude of media whores who love to try and take her down.
Bernstein knows no more about Hillary than anyone else in the mainstream press corps. He just sees this as a means of promoting his own irrelevant self. It's easy to bash Hillary because the right have trotted out the same old lies time and time again, creating a very strong narrative, facts be damned. All you need to do is repeat it with some nuance here and there, despite evidence and testimony to the contrary, and it will be believed and sold for great profit.
Bernstein is just another so-called journalist who rose to prominence when journalism was a profession, but decided to pimp his legacy in today's journalism which is strictly about entertainment and nothing more.
You should learn a little from your old colleague Woodward, Carl, rather than compete strictly for profit's sake.
budda @ 16:
Please stop with the pro Hillary or pro Obama stuff.
Mike @ 9:
Yup - bring Nader in to give the election to the Republicans, again. Just what we need.
Clinton and Obama are corporate shills...but they're our corporate shills.
If Hillary Clinton would cancel NAFTA (and she can without any need for congressional or senate authorization - Dennis Kucinich has proven this with George Bush's cancelling of the Kyoto Treaty all by himself) then I MIGHT (and I said MIGHT) consider voting for her.
berstein is, obvisouly, in the journalist hall-of-fame, but this sounds a bit wishy washy for him to report. it sounds like that is how hillary recounted the episode recently, in the current nafta-sucks atmosphere.
so, until i see proof positive that she refutes neoliberalism, i am going to assume that this is yet more political posturing, after the fact, by hillary.
and, *ahem*, what about this:
"In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers....
"An ABC News analysis of the videotapes of at least four stockholder meetings where Clinton appeared shows she never once rose to defend the role of American labor unions....
"The tapes show Clinton in the role of a loyal company woman. "I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else," she said at a June 1990 stockholders meeting."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1
wal mart, the small town killer, the destroyer of main street, defended by hillary, "I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else"... is she still really proud?
ABC News: Hillary Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions - (ABC News)
Plus she might even get Dennis Kucinich's endorsement...
35 living-abomination:
you need to check your facts, your recounting of history... why? b/c you seemed a bit confused.
anon @ 1:
Exactly.
Samson- @ 38:
Oh, God get off it. Look at the label of the garment you are wearing right now. Tell what country it was made in...Then just STFU. We are all guilty.
Slightly off-topic, but in Al Franken's "Big, Fat Idiot", he recounts how when he was being interviewed by Bob Woodward about John Belushi for Woodward's "Wired" biography, Woodward asked him if he had ever seen Belushi do cocaine. Al told him "Just once-with Carl Bernstein".
Top advisors in the Obama camp
Former energy and transportation secretary Federico Peña, was United States Secretary of Transportation from 1993 to 1997 and United States Secretary of Energy from 1997 to 1998, during the presidency of Bill Clinton. William Daley served as U.S. Secretary of Commerce, foreign policy gurus Anthony Lake foreign policy advisor to many Democratic U.S. presidents served as National Security Advisor under U.S. President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997 and Susan Rice, from 1993-1995, she was Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping at the National Security Council. Between 1995 and 1997, she served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the NSC. After that, she served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs from 1997 until 2001, former Navy secretary Richard Danzig attended the Bronx High School of Science, received a B.A. degree from Reed College, a J.D. degree from Yale Law School, and Bachelor of Philosophy and Doctor of Philosophy degrees from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar. Upon his graduation from law school, Danzig served as a law clerk to United States Supreme Court Justice Byron White, and women's advocate Betsy Myers former director of the U.S. Small Business Administration's Office of Women's Business Ownership, as Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Women's Initiatives. Since September, 1993, Myers has served as SBA's Assistant Administrator for the Office of Women's Business Ownership. In that post, Myers responsibilities included: coordinating federal efforts on behalf of nearly 7.8 million women entrepreneurs; speaking on behalf of women business owners throughout the country; increasing access to capital and technical assistance for women entrepreneurs; overseeing a nationwide mentor program, which brings together experienced women CEOs with women business owners ready to expand their business; and negotiating prime and sub-contracting goals for women-owned businesses with federal agencies. Before joining the SBA, Myers was the owner of Myers Insurance and Financial Services of Los Angeles, California -- specializing in women-owned businesses, providing insurance, employee benefits, as well as retirement planning and investments. Myers earned a Bachelor of Business Administration from the University of San Diego. Deval Patrick, Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and a former top civil-rights enforcer in the Clinton administration, Patrick graduated from Milton Academy in 1974 and from Harvard College (with a concentration in English and American literature) in 1978. He then spent a year working with the United Nations in Africa. In 1979, Patrick returned to the United States and enrolled at Harvard Law School. While in law school, Patrick was elected president of the Legal Aid Bureau, where he first worked defending poor families in Middlesex County, Massachusetts. Karen Kornbluh is an American economist, former United States Treasury Department official, and expert on communications policy, international trade and issues affecting working families. She is currently policy director for Barack Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/who-is-obamas-brain_b_80200....
Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation, Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign and is known as a centristHis educational degrees are: B.A. summa cum laude (economics), Yale University, 1991; M.A. (economics), Yale University, 1991; Ph.D. (economics), Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1995. He was an Alfred Sloan Fellow (2000-02) and Fulbright scholar (2006-07)
Last, for those of you cncerned about the war in Iraq. This was is not a product of George HW Bush it is a product of the 2 presidents before him. Bush sr. didn’t finish the job in Iraq and on October 31, 1998 US President Bill Clinton signed a bill into law called the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. This bills stated purposeis “a United States Congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq.” Hillary won’t get us out because the Clintons got us there in the first place. Bill Clinton directly instituted the policy of regime change in Iraq.
Johnny2Bad @ 43:
Of course most of us are guilty, but that doesn't mean we should elect leaders who fail to move us in a new direction. The ABC News story is important.
While wingnuts are busy roasting St. John because he's not conservative enough the left is applying it's own litmus test about who is the real progressive.
The problem with both sides is that no candidate meets all the purity requirements but it's fun to put their feet to the fire and see who'll pander most (besides Willard Romney, of course.)
Orangutan. @ 46:
I agree...So now that all of the Progressives are gone...who gets the nod? Hillary is a shill and the "Hope and Change" guy is no better.
"On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious:
that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn’t see him as a “player.” The lobbyist added: “What’s the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?” -Harpers 10/06
Lollimom @ 2:
She hasn't, but many close to the Clintons have repeated this story. Take it with a grain of salt, of course, but take it into consideration nonetheless. I suspect that she hasn't spoken out publicly against the assumption that she supported NAFTA because she would have to publicly stand against her husband in order to do so. Ah, politics.
Al Hidalgo @ 40:
That wouldn't surprise me. There really are a lot of misconceptions regarding Hillary Clinton, mostly because U.S. society is influenced more by catchy buzzphrases than several sentences-long pieces of empirical fact.
John @ 14:
He was the President at the time, so no, the First Lady couldn't simply run roughshod over the nation - nor is it polite to publicly contradict and humiliate your spouse. Go figure. So can we cut it with the crass, sexist comments?
Meat @ 50:
Hey, stop using such big words.
Randy @ 21:
I would never vote for anybody that could be fooled by Bush
Meat @ 51:
Yeah. I agree. Can't we all just give the bitch a break?
43 Johnny2Bad Says:
Oh, God get off it. Look at the label of the garment you are wearing right now. Tell what country it was made in…Then just STFU. We are all guilty.
STFU? seriously? I post a news article and, in channeling the spirit of BOR, you tell me to STFU?
get off it?
get off what? caring that a leading dem candidate worked for, defended and supported wal mart? you might not care, but check you ego, others do.
just say you are a hillary shill and then move on to your grazing in the pasture.
we are not all guilty. unlike you, there are those of us who work against the likes of wal mart, and who reject any neoliberal candidate. yet, we are not on company boards, we do not serve in the congress, we are not in the ruler's decision making loop and thus our voices are NOT heard. so blame yourself all you want. some of us practice what we preach and do not shop at wal mart.
and johnny, we live in a country where we are supposed to care about these issues, and not just roll over and play dead. you might not care, but don't tell people to "STFU" when they do.
Clinton Supporter Arrested in N.J. Corruption Sting
By Patrick Healy
Update: Blake Zeff, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, just e-mailed to say that Mayor Rivera stepped down from Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council today.
Among the 11 public officials arrested in an F.B.I. corruption sting in New Jersey today was a leading Democratic supporter of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign in that state, Mayor Samuel Rivera of Passaic.
It was the latest legal embarrassment involving an ally of the Clinton campaign, coming only one day after a wealthy Clinton donor, Norman Hsu, missed his court date in a California fraud case and apparently disappeared.
Clinton advisers this spring and summer have been aggressively touting their long list of endorsements from elected officials and prominent Democratic donors, to indicate the breadth of establishment support that Mrs. Clinton enjoys. Yet, in the case of Mr. Hsu and now Mayor Rivera, the criminal allegations indicate a cost that can come with quickly rounding up political support from far and wide.
The Clinton campaign has severed ties with Mr. Hsu; as for Mayor Rivera, he remains a member of Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council as of this afternoon, but a campaign spokesman said that the charges were “serious” and will be monitored closely.
According to the criminal complaint filed in Federal District Court, Mayor Rivera allegedly promised to deliver a majority of votes on the Passaic City Council to steer city insurance brokerage business to a dummy company set up by the F.B.I.
Federal agents posing as company executives offered a $50,000 payment to Mr. Rivera in return for the business, according to the complaint; Mr. Rivera allegedly accepted an initial installment of $5,000.
Mr. Rivera, according to a transcript of secretly recorded conversations laid out in the complaint, boasted profanely of essentially controlling the seven-member city council. He said that securing a four-vote majority would be “easy, easy, easy,” and, at another point, said the deal was as good as done.
“I make the [expletive] decision. And the council. And believe me, I’ve got the four [expletive] votes on the Council. So let’s stop [expletive], and let’s get this thing rolling,” Mr. Rivera said, according to the complaint.
Mr. Rivera is one of about 100 members of Mrs. Clinton’s Mayors Council, which, according to a campaign press release in July, “will advise the campaign on policy and outreach.”
When Mr. Zeff was asked this afternoon about Mr. Rivera’s status with the campaign he replied, “These are serious charges and as the process moves forward we will be monitoring them closely.”
The 11 officials, who also included two Democratic state assemblymen, are scheduled to appear in Federal District Court in Trenton this afternoon.
Hillary Clinton voted against CAFTA. I know because her office returned my telephone call and told me.
Any of you could have easily looked that up - but you didn't.
Big John @ 53:
Assuming that he'd obey the standards set forth in the bill is something I can't necessarily fault her for. George W. Bush had authorization to invade Iraq assuming that (a) there were weapons of mass destruction present (which the intelligence confirmed at the time), and (b) the U.N. Security Council backed said invasion. Of course, neither of these provisions were met, which is why the President should have been impeached. But that's neither here nor there.
Big John @ 53:
That's pretty good company....85% of the country: "Americans overwhelmingly believed Hussein did have weapons of mass destruction: 85% said so, even though the inspectors hadn't uncovered those weapons yet."
Another rumor that Hillary might be a liberal. If this keeps up, Big Business going to want about $100 million of its money back.
Hilary has always been a fan of Bill Hicks. Doesn't that count for something? She was one of his early supporters, not a Johnny-Come-Lately like many others.
Wall mart allows working people to buy things at lower prices that is good for "blue collar workers" The same is true of Nafta. What do you think would happen to the price and quality of cars if Toyota was competing against GM and Ford? Yes some workings may temporarily displaced but over all the economy and most if not all Americans are better off with free trade. Most if not all economist support this view. I am a democrat and pro union and the support of Nafta and pro union are not inconsistent.
Samson- @ 55:
I care about it... I'm just not disposed to reading sanctimonious drivel about the dreaded Hillary/Walmart conspiracy from a willing participant in the very thing they're railing against. Its not just Hillary's mess...its not a f*cking dictatorship. You, my friend, are as much to blame as she...I would bet you dollars to turds that you are....Right now...wearing foreign made clothing, drive a foreign made car and have, this winter, eaten summer produce grown in South America. Its a huge problem that's oh so easy to simplify to Hillary's folly. But, I'm not buying it. You may want to rethink your holier-than-thou, Hillary the real evil meme. As an Edwards supporter I can say this much...Now, its the lesser of all the evils. Guess it always has been.
58 Meat Says:
"(which the intelligence confirmed at the time)"
incorrect.... there was a lot of debate inside the intel world. maybe it was presented to the public (those that cared not to look into the faulty claims) that way, but any elected official owed it to the country to not buy the lies. hillary did.
"Department of Energy
On September 20, 2002, The United Press International reported that the there were:
... doubts about the quality of some of the evidence that the United States is using to make its case that Iraq is trying to build a nuclear bomb emerged Thursday. While National Security Adviser Condi Rice stated on September 8 that imported aluminum tubes 'are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs' a growing number of experts say that the administration has not presented convincing evidence that the tubes were intended for use in uranium enrichment rather than for artillery rocket tubes or other uses. Former U.N. weapons inspector David Albright said he found significant disagreement among scientists within the Department of Energy and other agencies about the certainty of the evidence."
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/may2006/aluminum_tubes.html
"March 1, 2002
The State Department's intelligence bureau, INR, publishes an assessment entitled, "Niger: Sale of Uranium to Iraq Is Unlikely." According to the 2004 Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report, the INR analyst who drafted the document said it was produced at the behest of the Vice President's office."
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/archives/2002/03/march_1_20...
politicalobserver1 @ 62:
on wich planet !
tyree @ 65:
politicalobserver1 @ 62:
Planet Troll.
Bernstein has a really bad case of "Clinton Derangement Syndrome".
What Bernstein is suggesting is a bit too late. She is tied to her husbands proposals as part of her 25 year record and she would look like a flip flopper. And if you say you want change then Edwards supporters wouldn't vote for someone who has 35 years of experience in government and has consistently been on the wrong side of the issue with regard to important votes, ie the war authorization, the bankruptcy bill and the Iran vote. She is the true establishment candidate. I don't care if you like her or disagree with her. The only change candidate in either party is really Obama and Edwards should endorse now and not play this out in a political way.
If Edwards waits until Tuesday to endorse then this proves what Feingold suggested, that he's changed his positions once he got out of the senate for political expediency. It suggests Edwards is a politician first. He should endorse someone. I respect Edwards but let me say this, I didn't like his votes on some of the key issues because those votes undermine his core message. He wants to end poverty but he voted for that bankruptcy bill and he voted to authorize the war. it seems by endorsing he can "kind of" set the record straight on who he thinks the changes that are necessary will come from.
Obama's claim that Clinton flip-flopped on NAFTA is half-true. She did change her position, but she did so long before she began running for president.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/103203
politicalobserver1 @ 62:
Your statements are inconsistent. We have decimated our manufacturing base in this country. Essentially, we are outsourcing slave labor. Our unions, and non-union workers paid a fair, living, wage cannot possibly compete with countries like China and India which pay pennies on the dollar. It is now spreading to white collar work, accounting, paralegal services, medical transcription services, etc. I would gladly pay higher prices to keep good paying jobs here in America. We had substantial tarriffs on imported goods from low-wage countries until Reagan. NAFTA put globalization, which is shorthand for "shut up and take what we give you or will ship your job to (fill in the blank)", on steroids.
cv @ 8:
She's against the corporations now too, har har, wants to deprive her biggest donors like that creep at Goldman Sachs of getting their big bonuses and golden umbrellas. *She's been a closet John Edwards all along.* What a crock of shit about her support of NAFTA. In NY she has shipped American jobs over to India and brought Indians over here on work permit visas. BTW, Carl Bernstein, the latest Rassmussen poll in California shows that now that Edwards has dropped out, there is only a 3 pt. difference between Clinton and Obama. Obama's donations for January ($32 Mill.) alone top his last high which was over a three month period. It appears that the Edwards supporters are going over to Obama.
Clinton's views on NAFTA have shifted, but they shifted prior to her official run for the White House. Back in 1998, in a keynote speech given at the Davos Economic Summit, Clinton praised business leaders for mounting "a very effective business effort in the US on behalf of NAFTA," adding later that "it is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun." But by 2005 she was expressing reservations about free trade agreements, voting that year against the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). And she told Bloomberg News in March 2007 that, while she still believes in free trade, she supports a freeze on new trade agreements--something she calls "a little time-out."
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary_Clinton_Free_Trade.htm
charles @ 69:
It depends upon when you consider that she started running for president.
White mill workers who supported Edwards would rather see an establishment candidate like Hillary Clinton fighting their cause? 35 years. NAFTA. On the issue of poverty she voted for the bankruptcy bill that strapped millions of Americans? That can affect white males, black males, poor males, poor females, poor children and mill workers. I like Hillary but I rarely see how she really helps rally poor people given her votes and her support on those issues. It seems to me that on key votes and ideas she really took herself off the radar. Obama seems to have used those core issues to his advantage by being on the right side of people's concerns. That's rather impressive and presidential.
One thing you all should keep in mind is that by and large you are all likely college-educated, bright and relatively affluent people who make informed decisions. As an Edwards supporter, I'll note the following:
John Edwards suspended his campaign; he did not ended. Read the text. Does that mean he will re-enter it? Probably not but it is still in the realm of possibility.
McCain-Huckabee is the GOP ticket. I'd advise you factor that into your decision-making.
I'm voting for Edwards on Tuesday in California because I've never been able to vote for my first choice for President EVER and I'm 47 years old.
Having said that, post Tuesday I am going for Clinton because I think she mostly matches up with Edwards on the four issues that matter most to me: The Economy, Poverty, Health Care and Energy.
I will also say that I don't like the negative tenor of the campaign on both side. Much of the blame has been placed on Bill Clinton. Heard from him since South Carolina? The Clinton campaign has changed its tactics. Obama yesterday in Phoenix and Denver launched into a tirade against the Clintons probably trying to bait the former President. The Bridge to the Twentieth Century was uncalled for.
As I began my post, you are well-to-do well-spoken informed people so in some regard you are preaching to the converted. Clinton's supporters by and large don't surf blogs like C&L or Daily Kos or TPM. How many Hispanics are on here? How many working class people holding down two or three jobs are reading this? Not very many if any.
Many Edwards supporters fall into a category of working class white males or single female heads of household. Where do you think they are heading now?
The Democratic Party is now bitterly dividing and while the GOP too has divisions, they are beginning to heal theirs. Apart from far-right conservatives, the rest of the GOP is coming together around McCain-Huckabee. Bill Bradley noted as much today. The longer the body blows continue between Clinton and Obama the bloodier each will be no matter who wins the nomination.
My other worry is that while we know Clinton's negatives, I am not sure if we know Obama's. The Trinity Church worries me, Rezko less so but it is still out there. Obama is a great orator no doubt and he can bring in younger voters and independents. But a lot of independents also like McCain. McCain's weakness is the economy which is Hillary's strength and in the role of commander in chief both McCain and Clinton are pretty mcuh even keel slight edge to McCain perhaps among the security conservatives. Obama can do well versus McCain on the economy but on the commander in chief and foreign policy he is mincemeat. His gaffe on meeting without preconditions with Iran, North Korea and Venezuela will be held against him even if most of you don't think that it is such a big deal. Obama's biggest strength is the generational change. I think that important but I do not know yet if it will be decisive enough.
The GOP will have a nominee come the end of February. The Democrats will be lucky to have one in April. The longer the Democratic race goes on the greater the risk come the Fall. Many Obama supporters won't support Clinton. I doubt that I can support Obama because I think him naive and inexperienced, but I am not sure yet. I might go Green Party but I still need to know more.
Thanks for planting another Clinton BS line into the discussion I am sure someone in the campaign staff is very happy you took the bait.
Johnny2Bad @ 59:
Yes, 85% of this country are too stupid to see through bullshit. I wouldn't vote any of them in, which is why I'm not voting for Hillary. (well, one of the reasons.) There were still millions of people, both in this country and around the world, who did see through the bullshit. If she wasn't bright enough to be one of them, or if she did and went against her gut feeling because it would have been extremely unpopular to do so at the time, then she should now reap the consequences of that by not getting our votes. Period.
What I can't understand is the way some people will agree with a statement that is taken out of context - creates of whole new meaning - spin! Listen to the words! Don't muddy the water by throwing in your meaning.
I call bull****.
Hillary will also be against the strike on Iran when she becomes president, as she orders US Air Force to bomb Tehran.
This is just really bad propaganda.
The Billary Spin continues
Well if true, that is some solace if she gets the nomination. I'm struggling with the notion of supporting the Entity.
Meat @ 50:
Honestly, this is what scares me about the Clintons...they are totally willing to sell out their own beliefs in order to get elected. We do not need people like this as leaders. We need people who will do what is right, not politically expedient.
Clinton might, in the depths of her soul, be liberal, but her willingness to forego her better judgment in order to support free trade (she did vote against CAFTA, but only CAFTA), the "PATRIOT" Act, IWR (she had a whole hell of lot more access than 85% of the country and failed to ask critical questions), Kyl-Lieberman, flag burning laws, railing against video game violence....come on! Give me a break!
Even if it's true, it doesn't change the fact that she's a war pig.
Obama's campaign's second biggest songle source of financing is from Exelon corporation - a nuclear energy company. Clinto vted nay on a version of the 2005 energy bill that gave huge subsidies to the nuclear industry and extended their taxpayer backed accident insurance policy, while Obama voted for it. Nuclear energy only exacerbates the problem of global warming, and it produces waste that lasts forever. Exelon has polluted many communities aquifers in illinois already. Obama has never voted against war funding, and he admitted that he might have voted to authorise had he been in the senate at the time. I am an Edwards supporter who is firmly part of the Clinton camp now, because she is clearly the more progressive choice.
The Experience for Change.
Hillary has the THE EXPERIENCE THAT KNOWS HOW & WHAT TO CHANGE. Over 35 years of experience.
Think about real change with someone that can get the job done. Someone extremely intelligent... She will bring our troops out of Iraq, she will change the face of Healthcare and Education, and take us out of this recession.
Obama...If not's about a race thing, then tell me what great thing Obama has accomplished. Try to convince me. I don't think it's time to experiment right now. Our Country is at war, our economy is a complete mess, we need help. We need a candidate with experience.
not someone who wants to learn on the job. I say we should observe Obama over the next few years, and see what he does before we even consider electing him as President. I mean this is not a game we are playing, this is serious life, our lives.We still do not know exactly what
he did that was so amazing as Senator for people to believe in his WORDS, and that's exactly what they are WORDS! If you listen to his speech pattern, this guy obviously studied MLK.
Now we have Ted Kennedy, an alcoholic, murderer, and male chauvinist endorsing him, and we follow him like sheep. Come on People this guy is an opportunist, and does not have the best interest of this country at heart. Then there's Carolyn Kennedy, who after all these years
appears like a mouse out of its hole, and we believe she can pick our president. To actually proclaim that Obama is like her father, is an insult of a great man, JFK is a war hero. It seems as though Caroline has never read "Profiles In Courage"...
and Obama, well... how has he proven that he loves America? What has he done to come close to even being compared to JFK?
Check out this site where he does not even salute the flag: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html
The reason why people gravitated towards JFK was because he did things in his life and he believed in and gave up his life for this country, he was not all talk.
People used to believe in substance at one time, now it seems that it just needs to be shiny. Shame on these Kennedys!
And shame on any women that are not supporting Hillary! You should get your head examined. Here we have a woman who worked really hard to get where she's at, and she's a viable, experienced candidate, which can finally bring women up to the same respect that men have
always had, in regards to jobs, salaries, opportunities, etc, and then we choose an inexperienced guy over her, that we know nothing about, and that just came out of nowhere. These women belong back in the kitchen, barefoot & pregnant.
So shine your ALL Clad, make your 30 minute meals, and listen to what Oprah tells you to do. This just proves that you do not really want Change. It's the same old thing, just another guy, with another skin color.
Let's talk about viable black candidates. Obviously MLK and even Colin Powell would have been guys to hang your hat on, but not Obama.
Most of all, these are folks that really proved they loved America. The black people that are voting for Obama, because of the color of his skin, shame on you too!
Do you really want to take a chance on a guy with no experience, and a shady background. The stakes are way too high, to have the first black president fail. Black people have worked way too hard, and have come way too far, to have someone like Obama, represent
what you stand for. Come on let's get real here.
If we think about it, there is another person that was able to deliver great speeches, and inspire many to believe in him....Hitler. BAHHHHH, BAHHHHHH
If she was so cognizant of NAFTA's effects, then what the hell was she doing responding like this at the debate? Watch David Sirota's day-after YouTube on her response, then read what was previously posted here on C&L:
The video.
C&L's previous coverage: David Sirota on Hillary’s Response To NAFTA At The Democratic Debate
Uncle Jack @ 19:
According to Huffintonpost, Nader does not want Mike Bloomberg to run, he wants to be the spoiler. So, there is Nader, your savior. Give me a effing break!
"This site is so pro Hillary it is just plain wrong."
Say what?Are you tripping?
I don't know if Hillary minds Bill's take on economic matters when it means large sums for her (i.e. the Bill and Kazakhstan story out today).
This is definitely NOT Edwards' way of raising campaign funds!
I'm sick of the media and some fellow "liberals" when they allow and perpetuate this:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
Liars lie. Lies get repeated. Hillary is all about touting her husbands record, and that has many downs. They pushed NAFTA. They failed to get anything through on heathcare. They lost control of congress... They drastically reduced human itelligence capabilities...the list goes on and on. It is pretty disturbing that she gets to cherry pick her support of things looking back on a record.
Can you imagine... if you could Cherry pick what you supported for 8 years? Of course she opposed every conrtoversial pardon... of course she oppossed NAFTA, of course ..... of course...
Give me a friggin break. The truth is that Hillary lies so much, we will never really know what her record was when Bill was in office... but I am sure, the stated record will be very much in line with what is good politically, today. Remember, she is going to get us out of Iraq... she is the candidate of change...... she "puts herself out there"... Obama refused to shake her hand... Obama opposes choice... Obama can only win because he is black... Kennedy abondoned women..... WILL THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON PLEASE STAND UP???!!!
Yes isn't that her problem always?????She gets fulled about everything she does wrong.It's always somebody elses fault
pinkobait @ 89:
haha...another person with their filter set on "hate hillary".
PTC @ 92:
Exactly...lies get said so much they become true, like Obama's race baiting in the media blamed on Clinton:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
What.Ever!!!!!
wisconsin @ 85:
Welcome to the camp...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
cardboardurinal @ 83:
I do not believe that Obama is a race monger, but um:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
and
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_8120...
demonstrate that he'll do anything to be elected. Hillary was his mentor!! His voting record is identical to hers!
The difference...is that he wrote his memoirs at age thirty-three in preparation for attacks about his drug use, etc to head off any criticisms.
Is that calculating or what?
Hillary has always been a bigger supporter of the unions than Bill. She has never been for open ended trade agreements, she wanted tariffs to level the playing field. The Republicans wanted no part of tariffs, it would have cost the big corporations in this country that were planing their moves for cheaper labor.
I will vote for Hillary because I believe she will revisit those agreements and make the changes necessary for American workers to compete. If this is not done we are in our last days as a super power or a nation of the first order.
joan @ 86:
joan @ 86:
THANK YOU! After reading all of these comments, I don't even have to write one of my own...I totally agree with you!
I won't be waiting my the phone for Hillary to come forth with any position that might jeopardize her good standing with Corporate AmeriKa, unless of course Barack gets good press with something like that and she thinks she needs to counter it to get a few votes. Hillary is so deep in the corporate pocket it's too late to save her.
I've been concerned about the bush crowd and it's fascist/authoritarian leanings. Hillary eases my concern not at all.
budda @ 16:
Now that's funny.
wisconsin @ 85:
I agree. I took my son to see Edwards Monday night at a local union hall and was, as always, energized by him. After his announcement, I started doing my homework. Obama's short record agrees with Hillary most of the time, but her record is longer so I have more to compare too. Still, I want to believe in the inspirational and charasmatic message Obama has used to cast a spell. Then, I go to blogs like these and see how ugly his supporters are, and that they really don't offer anything more than Clinton is a pig, Obama is change. Change for the sake of change is not always the best course of action. I sent a donation to Hillary today, and will cast my vote for her on Tuesday. If she wins, good, if she doesn't I will support Obama and hope he surrounds himself with a brain trust- Look what voting on Charisma and likability did for the Republicans.
LillieBelle @ 98:
This nation's days as the lone superpower in the world are over. Economically and militarily, there's a new world order. I hope one of the dem candidates realizes this and that we can not and should not be fighting 2 illogical wars and have our military spread all over the globe.
The dollar is in the toilet. Economic growth is negligible. The Chinese & Saudis own us. There is abolutely NO SANE REASON that this country, under Busholini, should spend more on its military than the rest of the world combined!
Buddha...DKos posted an inflammatory article called "Hispanics will vote for blacks" and then proceeded to smear hillary with more crap.
Is THIS fair?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
Should I believe ANYthing the media is telling me?
Go ahead buddha answer the question...
DY @ 103:
should have saved your money ,youll need it!
Funny how the "media" doesn't report on THIS (unless you live in Chicago):
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/27/look-before-you-leap-obamas-mobb...
Giannoulias was running when I lived in Chicago back in 2006.
Giannoulias, and Rezko...Obama sure can pick them.
Instead of talking about LOW-paying jobs for Americans, I would like to see the focus shift to HIGH paying jobs for Americans—jobs where Americans can afford nice homes and college educations for their kids. Let the teen-agers have the minimum wage jobs. Train Americans for stem cell research, medical technology, computer engineering, green technology etc. I've had my fill of watching families live from pay check to pay check. This is one of the richest nations in the world, and with some Democratic leadership, intelligence, strategizing, and political maneuvering, I'd like to see EVERYONE prosper!!
I was solidly behind ANY Democrat candidate...
And I know that politics has been dirty stretching way back to the first primaries, but I cannot believe that race would be stirred up in such in the US in 2008.
I cannot believe that the media is playing it as the Clinton's started it; I cannot believe a person of mixed race is using that to their advantage.
It is utterly disgusting and I will not vote for Obama; there are some things that just cross all boundaries and playing the perceived victim over lies about racism is wayyyy on the other side of "politics."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
Ashley C. @ 108:
You mean...like during the 8 years under Bill Clinton? Who else but George Warpig Bush could have absconded with the positive direction this country was heading before he was (s)elected?
What is up with all the candidate bashing by you folks?
Hillary or Obama will make for a good president.
They both have weaknesses and strengths, so why don't all of us progressives come together and support the candidate of our choice in a positive manner and reserve the spears and knives for the GOP's nominee?
I have not decided who I'll vote for the nomination yet. But whoever wins the nomination, I will support him/her 100% against the republicans.
We have become like the rabid righties by our condescending comments about our candidates. It is time to step back and take a deep breath and clear our heads and see reality.
Also, the word "corporatist" is constantly being thrown out there. I am sorry, but reality dictates that corporations are a fact of life and many of us own mutual funds, stocks, etc. that are comprised of these corporations. So what if a corporation supports a candidate? Both Obama and Clinton do receive support from corporations (yes, and Nader too). So it is time to stop labelling our own candidates in such terms and moving on with a positive note.
Just my two cents.
joan @ 86:
So with her "35 years of experience" what has SHE done (not her husband)? I can't think of one damn thing. You accuse Barack Obama of being shady... Do you honestly think he is less shady than Hillary? Really?
Listen, at least we dems have two good candidates to choose from. Either one of them in the WH come 1/20/09 will be light years better than McCrazy or Mittens.
CBC's The Current did an interview with him and it was pretty good. I think you might be able to still listen to it. Check www.cbc.ca/thecurrent
Here is the link to the show when he was on:
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200801/20080130.html
who cares what she was for or against then. She was The First Lady. a meaningless position. it's PR. the perfect trophy wife. "just say no" "The beautification of America" its nonsense. And if people ARE saying she had power as first lady then you're crossing lines against the Constitutional Amendment that limits terms you can serve in the executive branch.
When Clinton was in the board of directors for Walmart, she advocated environmental policies as well as increasal of women's participation in Walmart. When Obama was working for Rezko, the results are too dark to be seen by the naked eyes.
While Clinton has been campaigning with facts and policies, i have yet seem Obama supporting his policies with facts other than the message of 'hope' and 'change'.
So far Clinton has a better position on healthcare, equal rights. the environment, and the economy than all the other candidates in this election. And she supported them with factual policies. So what are the changes that Obama plan to do with his message then?
Ashley C. @ 108:
Let teenagers have the minimum wages jobs? What, have them all drop out of school to work some shit job? Do you honestly think there are enough teenagers to take up all the minimum wage jobs? Are you fucking kidding?
David @ 57:
Political corruption in New Jersey?
I am shocked! SHOCKED, I tell you!!!
old hack @ 116:
Wow. You read my mind.
Dr. Acula @ 110:
You can blame El Dubya for alot of things, but you CANNOT give Clinton credit for a fake economic boom. It was an electronic fake economy that ended up crashing, cuz, well...it was FAKE! All done with fancy overstating finances, assets, blah, blah, blah......THAT is why it tanked. Not Shrub boy. America's corporations sucked the cashola out of everyone by blatantly lying about their financial records with fraudulent accounting, and people look back now, and sigh how great the 'good old days' were. Please. Spare me. The crooks that did it, once again got away with it.
NUMRER ONE ISSUE = ECONOMY = jobs = NAFTA = china, india mexico = trade in balance
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WITH SLAVE LABOR and NO Regulations on pollution for import communist comapnies..........
WE CANT
AMERICANS JOBS LOOSE....................
budda @ 16:
Sorry, I just don't agree with your assessment. I don't like corporate Hillary at all, but C & L is by far my favorite site.
bernie is just shilling for hillary.
CNN wants her to be the nominee so they can demonize her and support mccain.
nothing to see here! move along now...
it's amazing that on one thread the pro-obama accusations fly. then on the next, the pro-shillary barbs get thrown.
I think that means C&L is doing a good job because every thread has detractors and trolls, people who just can't stand objectivity.
You ask what Hillary has done....
Hiillary has been active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children after law school ---often worked for FREE and was the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991. Hillary advised the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge and joined the impeachment inquiry staff advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives.
President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corporation She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund.
Organizations:
Co-Founder, Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
Board Member, Arkansas Children's Hospital
Board Member, Children's Defense Fund
Awards
-Humanitarian Award, Elie Wiesel Foundation
-Women Who Make A Difference Lifetime Achievement Award, Family Circle
-President's Award, League of United Latin American Citizens
-International Women's Philanthropy Award, Lion of Judah Conference of Combined Jewish Philanthropies
-Distinguished Bridge Builder Award, Leon H. Sullivan Foundation
-Recognition, Military Order of the Purple Heart
-Distinguished Service Award, National Association of Elementary School Principals
-Bully Pulpit Award, National Council for Adoption
-Black Women of Courage Award, National Federation of Black Women Business Owners
-Martin Luther King Jr. Award, Progressive National Baptist Convention
- Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
-Woman of Steel - Role Model of the Year, United Steel Workers of America
-Arkansas Woman of the Year-1983
-Arkansas Mother of the Year-1984
Hillary won many admirers for her staunch support for women around the world and her commitment to children's issues.
Is that all Obama supporters can say is"Go Obama 08", with nothing to back it up. Is this why they are voting for him? and all based on some ridiculous slogans that he paid somebody else to write. Do you people even care about what happens to this country?
We are asking people to choose someone to run our country and not picking an actor for the next Tyler Perry movie. Wake the heck up! HIllary will help us more than Obama ever will. If you want to find out where Obama got his money from, read up on Tom Rezko, his friend for the last 17 years. Rezko the slumlord...Who do you think he hurt? The poor people and they were mostly blacks and hispanics. Rezko caused these poor people to live without electricity or heat in the cold. Now you think rich Obama really cares about you?
You want to see a person, look at who they're in bed with !!!
ConcernedCanuck @ 121:
1)The economy is a reflection of not only corporate well-being, but has a symbiotic relationship with how well the federal government is doing. The federal goverment was managed well, and had economic goals...A balanced budget is not mandated by law, but Bill Clinton achieved it nonetheless.
2)The internet/dotcom boom WAS valuable, it was just overpriced...which accounted for the mini-bubble burst. It was NOTHING like "mortgage backed equities".
I did not her any objections coming from Hillary when the
Chinese were overnighting in the Lincoln bedroom for campaign
contributions and leaving in the morning with American jobs.
Man, I'm growing so friggi'n weary of telling you guys about the right-Wing agenda. I said before, "if you guys would just listen to the right-wing A-holes on the radio to what they are saying against Clinton and how they are all supporting Obama, then use you common friggin sense the good lord gave you....does it not smell fishy?"
Why would the RW'ers tell the public who they think is better?
The reason? Because they feel they have a better chance against an inexperienced black man versus a female "CLINTON"!
I was completely convinced today when the one and only NY Post "threw their support" to Obama. Here's a rag that has never had a kind word to offer towards the Dems in the last 7 yeats. The Podhoretz family is so entrenched in Rebublican history........swell fuck it, I'm only a Canadian...what do I know.
I do know, if McCain/Guilani/Lieberman ticket wins, I'm moving further north, away from this border to avoid any catastrophe that could happen by any of many "threatened " countries who decide a good offence is better than a poor defence.
You might want to consider, it's better to have the best opponent going against McCain and not necessarily the better person.
joan @ 127:
Go Obama!
By the way, for those who know how much 6 figures represent, Hilary Clinton had 840,000 votes in the SC primary. Votes are friggin votes and 840k people took the time to vote for her. Incidently, that was about 150k more that the winning GOP rep.
Is that significant? I think so but you don't hear about it on the radio and has Hannity or O'Relly offered any kudos? Not a peep from these mice.
Is there a reason for this silence, where they made so much noice each time Obama won?
Shit...there I go again.
joan @ 127:
Yes, we do. By not supporting Hillary we can get the country behind one person.
How exactly? In her "35 years of experience" What changes has she brought about? Does she inspire? Is she a leader? The only thing she could possibly unite is the republicans against her. I don't understand how you can't see this. She brings no value other than the all too important "First woman president" item to the table.
You're going to try to attack Obama over shady dealings when you are for Hillary Clinton? Wow! Oh and here is former Hillary supporter explaining why she switched to Obama.
Oh, and here is a video from a former president of NOW who talks about Hillary lying to disparage Barack Obama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs
Mr. Anon @ 133:
WOW, what a bunch of idiots you people are. Here you are..."Team Dem" or is it "Team Obama"? You're printing incriminating stuff for potential (ever hear of independents?) Dem voters to see and switch of the Dem ticket. Hey...maybe they like Hilary because she has nicer teeth....be happy that you have 2 candidates who if either one was running tomorrow against McCain, you'd vote for. You peckerheads sound like it's your vote for Obama or no vote at all come election time.
Get a grasp on what you're doing boneheads. Think party first and if you got some useful energy and a average level of intelligance...then use it against the GOP.
Holy Fuck!
razant @ 134:
No way would I ever vote for Hillary. Sorry she is no better than McCain. I'd vote 3rd party. She is so fake and evil I couldn't do it. I'm not a Republican and won't follow lock step with the party line.
Hillary has been active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children after law school ---often worked for FREE and was the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991. Hillary advised the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge and joined the impeachment inquiry staff advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives.
President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corporation She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund.
Organizations:
Co-Founder, Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
Board Member, Arkansas Children's Hospital
Board Member, Children's Defense Fund
Awards
-Humanitarian Award, Elie Wiesel Foundation
-Women Who Make A Difference Lifetime Achievement Award, Family Circle
-President's Award, League of United Latin American Citizens
-International Women's Philanthropy Award, Lion of Judah Conference of Combined Jewish Philanthropies
-Distinguished Bridge Builder Award, Leon H. Sullivan Foundation
-Recognition, Military Order of the Purple Heart
-Distinguished Service Award, National Association of Elementary School Principals
-Bully Pulpit Award, National Council for Adoption
-Black Women of Courage Award, National Federation of Black Women Business Owners
-Martin Luther King Jr. Award, Progressive National Baptist Convention
- Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
-Woman of Steel - Role Model of the Year, United Steel Workers of America
-Arkansas Woman of the Year-1983
-Arkansas Mother of the Year-1984
Hillary won many admirers for her staunch support for women around the world and her commitment to children's issues.
Mr. Anon @ 135:
You're just coming off 7 of the most embarassing years in US history. Everyone says this Admin. reeked of the influences of Cheney and Rove and from this lesson, I take away the importance of who will make up the next Administration. I'm more afraid of who Obama will have in there. I'm not a big Colin Powell fan and he's looking in that direction.
Think deeper. Oh by the way...why not offer some due diligence you might've learned of that really will have an impact to what you just said. Your statement is amateurishly vague!
People asked why Hillary hasn't come out against or otherwise criticized NAFTA before now. She has.
See this post at Salon's Table Talk for more.
Big John @ 54:
Well, It seems that so many were"fooled" by GWBush, you may never need to vote again.
Because Obama didn't vote for it (he was not in the Senate at the time), doesn't mean he wouldn't have (if he had been in the senate at the time).
Because, although he denies it now, he actually did say that he and bush weren't
that far apart" after the invasion had begun.
BTW: for another look at Obama: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/13/6347/
Big John @ 54:
Well I guess that takes care of the entire Senate & Congress because they've given him anything he wanted, everytime and the last time i looked, it was a Dem Senate.
Make that a Dum Senate!
have the clinton's become too rich and powerful to relate to the people who would, in the past, vote for them?
write all this BULLSHIT you wrote in resume/CV/job application format: name/tupe/how funded organization; from - to dates, position/title, duties/responsibilities, name/title of the supervisor, reason to join, reason to leave.
You'll wet your pants how to plug all the holes. NONE of this qualifies her to be a US president. Mediocre/NOT sufficient for any executive position in any sector, incl NGOs.
joan @ 136:
Why does C&L go for this fodder ??!
As an early Edwards supporter till he quit, I am nervous abt Obama, but after this debate (Jan 31) I know I cannot stand any more of crooked Clintons, anywhere. She is stuck in her lies forever, NAFTA included. She has NO experience of any merit. She did ZIPPO for NY - used us (am in NYC) as a trampoline for this road show disaster we're watching now.
And, READ THIS below, follow the link - could you stand any more of this non-presidential white trailer trash, now gone international embarrassing us as a nation, whoring/turning tricks for a fee, whoever pays more ??!
I've been to Kazakhstan, a fmr Soviet republic, working w/CARs transformation programs, (non-Russian) am fluent in Russian ie. can communicate w/locals first hand, w/out 'interpreting' by assorted translators, etc. Totalitarian, very primitive, corrupt thru the core state, outrageous human rights abuses, political dissent non-existing destroyed by nepotic imbecyllic rulers, who live in garrish/cheap Vegas opulence abusing poor natives.. Clintons' buddies ..
Clinton slime keeps dripping .. Philanthropy certainly has a new, disgusting meaning - tattered and slimy as all they ever touched.
Huge Kazakh deal follows financier’s trip with Clinton, precedes donation
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?sq=Canadian%2...
After Mining Deal, [Canadian] Financier Donated to Clinton
By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them. ...
(CONT) ..
..."" the former president’s statement amounted to an endorsement of Kazakhstan’s readiness to lead the group[OSC], a position .... called “patently absurd.”
Philanthropy may have become his passion, but Mr. Giustra, now 50, was still hunting for ways to make money.
Within 48 hours of Mr. Clinton’s departure from Almaty on Sept. 7, Mr. Giustra got his deal... The company became a “major uranium producer when it didn’t even exist before.”
...Mr. Giustra, a director and major shareholder in UrAsia, would be paid $7.05 per share for a company that just two years earlier was trading at 10 cents per share.
.... same month, Mr. Dzhakishev, the Kazatomprom chief, said he traveled to Chappaqua, N.Y., to meet with Mr. Clinton at his home. Mr. Dzhakishev said Mr. Giustra arranged the three-hour meeting. Mr. Dzhakishev said he wanted to discuss Kazakhstan’s intention — not publicly known at the time — to buy a 10 percent stake in Westinghouse, a United States supplier of nuclear technology.
....
Mr. Clinton “said this was very important for America,” said Mr. Dzhakishev, who added that Mr. Giustra was present at Mr. Clinton’s home. ...... Both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Giustra at first denied that any such meeting occurred.
..Today, Mr. Giustra told our office that in February 2007, he brought Mr. Dzhakishev from Kazatomprom to meet with President Clinton to discuss the future of nuclear energy.”
...Mr. Dzhakishev said he had a vivid memory of his Chappaqua visit, and a souvenir to prove it: a photograph of himself with the former president.
Bob Somerby is such a Hillary fan/supporter he often doesn't think straight. He will not allow anyone to criticize her. How is that fair and balanced reporting? Get a grip, Bob.
So now after our manufacturing base has been decimated by NAFTA she's been against this all along. Paa - leeese!!!!
Shillary = Alice in Wonderland, with loooong nails
NAFTA screws the Mexicans as well:
updated 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Mexican farmers protest NAFTA
* Farmers want the government to renegotiate the 1994 free trade agreement
* Farmers: Mexican products are undermined by subsidized U.S., Canadian grains
* Pleas have fallen on deaf ears in the Mexican government, farmers say
* Mexican officials: Grain prices have been stable in January
Randy @ 22:
Fool me once- shame on ...uh.... can't be fooled again!
Randy @ 22:
well then she's an idiot. i was correctly able to discern that the PNAC/Rove arguments were dishonest, that Iraq posed no threat the the US, and that invading Iraq would be a disaster for all involved (lots of people were, from all sorts of ideological backgrounds).
and i don't have staffers, or decades of experience in politics, or an elite college education, or all day to spend trying to decide what the government ought to do.
Johnny2Bad @ 60:
And your point is what, that you think expecting a presidential candidate to reason better than 85% of the public is too demanding?
Johnny2Bad @ 64:
There are very few people who deserve as much blame for NAFTA as Hilary. She had tremendous influence over him, and ultimately he had the power to decide whether it lived or died. Hilary could have guaranteed Bill didn't sign NAFTA ("If you sign NAFTA I'm divorcing you.") I had no such recourse.
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