<I>Meet The Press</i>: Lady McCheney Says It's Not About Bush
By Nicole Belle Sunday Feb 03, 2008 8:38amWell, what do you expect her to say?
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When asked for her take on Hillary Clinton's big laugh at the Democratic debate that it took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush presidency and it may well take another Clinton to clean up after this one (good line, but in reality, I think we'll be cleaning up after Bush for a very, very long time.) Republican hack...er, apologist, hmm...strategist Mary Matalin starts whining that every thinking Democrat knows it's not about Bush:
MATALIN: You know, this…even Democrats—thinking Democrats—this is not going to be a race about Bush. They have united, this party’s been united under one organizing principle for eight years: it’s anti-Bush. People are over it.
RUSSERT: But in a Democratic primary?
MATALIN: Even Democrats are over it. What are you going to do? What are you going to…and always, elections are about the future. They’re not about the past. She’s just…it’s just a…it’s cute, it was clever, but in the end, it was sophistry.
Sorry, Mary. As I look at the tatters of the Constitution whose bright promise brought my grandparents here many years ago; as I look over pictures of the horrors and brutality done in our name in the Middle East and places like Guantanamo; as I read over the decisions made by the Roberts Supreme Court that value corporations over citizens and read that in a time of war Exxon has posted record breaking earnings yet again; as I realize that most Americans are just one tragic circumstance from being homeless and bankrupt from medical bills, I must tell you that we are most assuredly NOT over Bush.
The candidate who can convince me that they can undo this damage is the one who will get my vote. YOUR opinion, Mrs. Iraq Study Group--given your enabling of all that I've listed above--disqualifies you from saying what is sophistry or not.
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Don't you just love how Republican strategists are always defining words and advising Democrats - like they really know their ass from their elbow.
Has Simon & Schuster discontinued her crappy imprint yet?
She's starting to look more and more like Carville in drag...
Two words: plastic surgery
maybe william the bloody was right about white women.....
Just like Nicole, I'm not over Bush.
But I am so-o-o-o-o Over Mary McCheney!! Talk about irrelevant - why are these folks still on TV?
Bush and Cheney must BOTH be impeached and tried.
Sound like I'm over it, Matalin?
BWAHAHAHAHA! STOP, STOP YER KILLIN ME! BWAHAHAHAHA! Wow! She really is proof that with enough money and enough plastic surgery you can ALMOST look human! Can you IMAGINE what the progeny of THOSE two is gonna look like?
The marriage between Mary and Carville is a classic example of Beauty & the Beast.
who's beauty who's beast
Can anyone tell me how Obama's rally with 20,000 at the Target Center doesn't warrant a blip on C&L? He sold out the Target Center in 2 days! I suggested the story, sent an e-mail and links. Seems like kind of a big deal.
People may get over Bush the man, but it is his policies that have done the damage and they will linger long into the future. Every American is well aware of that fact.
Keep her in the spotliglht.....she makes voters into Democrats.
I just love it. Suddenly, people are supposed to forget who's been president for the last 7 years, and who's still president. A president, moreover, whose mess will certainly have to be cleaned up by whoever is elected. But, according to Mary, he doesn't exist, so the Democrats can't run against him. Lovely. Absolutely lovely. And the thing is, the media will help her in making people forget he's president.
Is the Bush presidency the worst ever? No brainer here, folks. HELL YES.
I haven't forgot that Bush is responsible for the mess, and I'm certainly NOT over it.
HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
Fortunately I'm not a "thinking Democrat" so I feel very strongly that this election is about Bush and our nations needed enema from the awful bile that is the neocon agenda.
She kept trying to not talk about the past and even at one point said we shouldn't look backward. Then a few minutes later she used history to justify some silly shit she had just said.
Her saying we are "over bush" is sort of like telling someone they are over the death of their child. Just saying it doesn't make it true. You can't tell someone how to feel or what to feel. Even Mary of a thousand stacks of bullshit can't get away with that one.
No matter who the next president is or how good his or her intentions may be, it's going to take them a long time to undo the god awful mess this administration has created and will leave behind.
While I agree with the author and most of the comments, what I think she meant to be her point is important...
Focus on the future... first let's get a Democrat in the Oval Office, and then let's drop the hammer on the Bushies.
I had no idea i did not hate Bush. Thanks for clearing that up.
In related news, the results of Election 2000 had nothing to do with Clinton-haters exerting unconstitutional brute force to take what they so badly wanted. Because by 2000, neocons were SO OVER Bill Clinton. It's why Limbaugh & Fox News, ESPECIALLY Sean Hannity, neeeeeever bring his name up in conversations on or off the air, even to this day.
xoites defends Constitution @ 20:
Xoites,
No, you misunderstood her. You still hate Bush because you're not a "thinking Democrat."
I lost all respect for Carville. Anyone who can shack up with this creature should be in psychoanalysis. Quick-someone get an 11 foot pole.
What is with that outfit, did she just fly in on Battlestar Galactica?
That comment just shows how scared they are of trying to run with Bush's record hanging around their necks. I think it's going to take a long, long time for the Repubicans to shake him off, and it will be a mortal mistake for Democrats to let them try to keep him in the closet now.
I understand what this idiot is saying about looking forward in this election.
But even after a fire rips through a home...the people who would rebuild are looking to the future but they have to deal with the damage the fire has caused first and that's what the next president has to deal with before we can start building a future, that I'm sure all Republicans will try to shit on.
I will never understand how anyone could support the Republican party. it's like saying "I hate American and I don't care who knows it!" - and then in the next breath will tell us that we are not patriotic.
Bottom line is Mary sees clearly just what we see, but she wants her party to be separated from the bush administration. Can you blame her? She wants the bush administration not to be talked about in this election, but instead to talk about what the next republican can do for the country. Nice try and all, but it's not gonna work. Bush is a republican and a lot of republicans supported his every move. None of us can forget about that and we don't want to either.
Nicole Belle, this is some of your finest writing. True, to the 'quick', and well written. Cheers.
If a dog takes a crap in your bed, even when you have thrown the dog out you are not "over it" because you still have the stinking pile in your bed to clean up. And when there is also a lineup of dogs waiting for the chance to hop on your bed and do the same, I doubt you would be "over it".
Sorry Mary. That retard in the White House, with help from his Texas Mafia, destroyed my country. I'm not about to "get over it".
Doc @ 24:
Don't you mean, "Battlescar Gallactica?"
Funny, I haven't heard any Dem candidates suggesting we double the size of Bush's Cuban concentration camp or reaffirm his reckless, regressive tax policy.
Maybe it's the Repukes who need to get over Bush.
Nicole Belle, right on, you hit it out of the ball park!
abob @ 9:
I would have said it's more like Alien VS Predator. Carville's no great shakes either.
My mind wanders from time to time, but am I wrong that she was not part of the Iraq Study Group? She was part of the ultra-evil White House Iraq Group, WHIG. Long may she rot...
I vividly recall when just a few short years ago Miss Mary bragged during an interview about the Republicans being the party of ideas, that they and ONLY they had bright and innovative ideas to move our country forward, privatizing Social Security being one of them. Yes, the Democrats were useless, stale, had nothing to offer Americans. I was shocked she didn't drag out those old talking points yesterday. What happened? Oh, that's right - that's the past and she must be over it.
I have listened to republicans define what is or is not Democrat for eight years. Now this stupid ugly bitch has the temerity to us what we should be thinking. These boring, fake superior, arrogant fucks desperately need their asses kicked in November. And abob@9 You mean the Beast & the Beast. I think Carville looks better than this mutt.
They honestly believe they can whitewash everything BUsh & Co have done. Sorry Mary, we smarter than you think. What is it with these women and plastic surgery. I don't know if she had any work done. But notice how plastic these women look?
The Republicans are still running against George McGovern and Jimmy Carter.
Norwood Woman @ 35:
The repugs have always been the party of ideas. Of course they were some of the greatest ideas of the 9th century.
I can "get over" the Bush easily enough. He's a cypher.
What I will never get over is the army of pundits and hacks, (Matalin and Lieberman, to name just two) who have enabled him in the demolition of this country.
Perhaps she meant Spohistry as in ancient Greece, the wise ones.
I'm still laughing at Matlin's remark. Good try, Matlin! It'll be about Bush for years, no, decades, no, centuries! As long as I'm alive, the name "Matlin" will also be synonymous with Bush and Cheney!
Of course it is about the future, which is why the GOP has been been talking non-stop about a man who has been brain dead for over a decade.
-GSD
That's like saying to the Republicans, "It's not about Clinton anymore". Right.
I thought all non-thinking Democrats were called Republicans.
Yeah Mary, we Democrats just want bush gone. We don't really care about the destruction he has done to the Economy, The decency we have lost under his rule, The shredding of the Constitution, Our ignoring of the rule of the Geneva Convention, the bush administrations torturing of people who were whisked off streets to off shore bases so they could be tortured with impunity, No, we don't care about any of that ................. We don't care about the way your party has divided the country.
Your Decider is actually the Divider, the idiot president.
We watched proudly (NOT!) as FOX noise showed the bush special proclaiming him to be like Lincoln.
You people just don't get it do you. We Americans want our country back, you've had it for seven long years and have ruined EVERY aspect of it, Economy, Military, Rule of Law and the Constitution.
Didn't she play one of the aliens in Galaxy Quest?
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How can ANYONE take these ghouls seriously? Turn off your T.V.
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xoites defends Constitution @ 30:
I thought it was Cattlecar Gallactica or was it Battlestar Galaxative?
OK Mary. So you never get to say "Bill Clinton did it" again, ever.
Shut yer sleazy Carville fluffing piehole.
-GSD
Mary, don't forget the Santayana quote that hung in the Jonestown cult temple where 900 were mass suicided and murdered:
"Those who do not remember that past are condemned to repeat it."
All of the
RepugnantRepublicans candidates are pushing Bush policies. In effect the presidential election will be whether or not we want 4 more years of Bush. So it's not just history.I'm not over it, and never will be. I used to consider the republican side in elections, listen to what they say, but not anymore. I've written them off.
The reichwing are so desperate to pretend shrub just didn't happen. They'd be so happy if they could come up with a slogan or a talking point that would make people forget the worthless chimp. Their message for the election seems to be "Don't think about shrub! Just hold your nose and vote republican!!!!"
She'd probably have more luck if she came out dressed like the Great Carsoni and waved a pocket watch at the crowd while reciting her ridiculous mantra.
Sure the masses are stupid but lady they'd have to be completely flat lined in the IQ area in order to swallow the pile of stink you're offering.
I think she should hang for treason with the rest of them.
One M i l l i o n dead in Iraq ...
thats a lot of karma to 'get over'
TV ghouls is right.
she wishes that we were over it....I don't know what planet she's on......but back here on earth.....we here in America(and the whole world for that fact) are most definitly not over boosh...nope......I for one will never let the repugs forget their boy blunder.
As the Dixie Chicks said, "We're not ready to make nice"
We have all been Dixie Chick-ed for seven years, we aren't going to forget it overnight.
The only ones that consider these idiots as strategists is the media. If your inside the beltway, you had to have had a lobotomy. Her money would have been better spent if she would have had a major face lift.
who is this lady and why should i care what she has to say?
mo_dems @ 59:
That ain't no lady and you shouldn't.
Ron @ 60:
thanks for clearing that up!
Google "Snape" and you'll get a photo of Alan Rickman. Put it alongside that Matlin image. Separated-at-birth?
Petruk?
GSD @ 50:
And for an added bonus, Newt Gingrich is the teacher.
If this is true, I must then wonder why it is that the candidates are afraid to utter Bush's name or be seem with him. The fact that they run from the guy seems to indicate the exact opposite of what she is claiming. If it is truly not about Bush, they should have no problem being seen with Bush.
This is the same old Dems can't think straight talk they have been using for 8 years.
What too bad for her we DO remember these things.
Mel @ 4:
Funny, I was watching this and I wondered if she had botox injections. (She never smiled.)
It very much reminds me of the corporate media's reaction to the Downing Street memos. I heard several times that the reason it didn't get much play is because it was an old story and everyone already is over the fact that there were "mistakes" in the lead up to the war. Well I am not over it, not over the lies, the torture, the constitution, the signing statements, the continued destruction of the middle class and the support in lock step from the Republicans.
"elections are about the future"
Damn straight! And we want these elections to elect people who will put bush and his accomplises in prison where our LAWS say they belong!!! We will NEVER forget!
"Sophistry" means to elevate a lesser issue or fact over a more important one, e.g., "We caught Saddam Hussein, so the lives lost in Iraq aren't that significant." Or, "We had more first downs, so who cares if we lost the football game?"
Hillary Clinton's wisecrack wasn't sophistry in any sense. Mary Matalin doesn't know what she's talking about, but Tim Russert isn't bright enough to realize it.
Mel @ 4:
Plastic is made from oil. Trying to fix her face is the reason oil is 100 dollars a barrel.
sorry to be off topic but is there anything on spector & spygate vs. domestic spying? Spyper Bull?
Nice try, Mary. If you just wish and wish and WISH and WISH that Bush not be part of the conversation, maybe that will work. But wishin' don't make it so, as the reality based community knows. Bush is going to be front and center for a long, long time, and may word of his endless misdeeds and crimes fall upon his supporters ears in scalding, corrosive drops.
Nicole, it is about Bush. Even the German "Der Spiegel" has a Bush backwards counter on its website. I am living in Europe and not an American citzen, but would know what to do. Reading this excerpt from Obama's book this morning in "The Independent" would have made my mind up. What a difference to Bush. And McCain. And Romney. And, sadly for us women, Hillary Clinton
In a very narrow sense, it isn't about Bush -- rather, it's about his Corporatist puppetmasters. In a broader sense, it's that any GOP candidate for president is going to have the same wealthy groups controlling him, to the detriment of the other 99.9% of us.
I hope the Republican elite (read Bush) back Mitt, so the Demos can remind the voters that this election is about -gettting the Republicans out.
On the other hand if Obama is in there, he can be the unifier- bringing in the indys and left republicans.
Indeed, John! The candidate who most convincingly presents the gravitas to "undo the vulgar and horrendous damage" done by Bush will get the majority of votes in this election. Now if only we can fix our glaringly treasonous tampering with our votes via the hacked voting machines everywhere, we, The People, might even have a chance of righting this sinking ship called the USS Constitution.
'Sophistry"? She whines about 'sophistry'? How about the sophistry of breaking long held and mutually beneficial treaties? How about the sophistry of a 'unitary executive' divorced from Constitutionally mandated checks and balances?? The sophistry of nullifying the Geneva Conventions as if there would be no international backlash?
Sophistry? This (figuratively and literally) bloody Administration has been guilty of that for near 8 years. These people are masters of it.
abob @ 9:
I don't get it. Which is which?
These Ratpublican Bastards are always telling us that we just need to "get over it" every time one of their own fucks up. When these thugs have finally been tried, sentanced and hanging naked in the middle of Washington D.C. will I ever be "over it".
Repubs are jumping like rats from the proverbial ship, but do we really think that Sen. Clinton will reverse the precidents that Reagan, the Bushes and her husband set with executive orders and signing statements?
Are we not men?
We are Devo.
C'mon now....we shouldn't attack her for her looks.........she can't help it if she's butt ugly.and that's just her insides.
Oh yea that woman.
The one who wrote a letter in support of indicted Traitor Libby.
A closer look at the neo con criminals she runs with...
Cheney
former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger
former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
former World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz
former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and Plans Douglas Feith
former CIA director James Woolsey
Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Peter Pace
former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers
former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Nancy Dorn
Garry Schmitt of the American Enterprise Institute and former director of PNAC
former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Larry Thompson
former Pentagon official Abram Shulsky
undersecretary of Defense for Policy and former Ambassador to Turkey Eric Edelman
former World Bank President James Wolfensohn
Kenneth Weinstein, CEO of the Hudson Institute
Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Robert Joseph
former director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman
former NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe
Cheney's National Security Adviser John Hannah
Christopher DeMuth, Presient of the American Enterprise Institute
former Voice of America director Richard Carlson [father of MSNBC's Tucker Carlson]
former Pentagon Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle
and former Nixon counsel Leonard Garment
--> All who should be banned from serving in any public office.
Hillary Clinton cries in Connecticut: Clinton's eyes filled with tears, which she wiped out of her left eye...
BREAKING ON DRUDGE
but it WAS sophistry
interesting that of all the outrageously dumb things Matalin said, the comment that gets coverage here is the one pertaining to Hillary...hmmmm
WHAT A DUMB THING TO SAY!!!
Great article on Obama/Cinton by Justin Raimondo. Well-researched. Raimondo is a staunch Ron Paul supporter, which makes his article all the more interesting.
This is a must-read article by a former Wellesley College dorm mate and former supporter of Hillary's who details the lethal legacy the Clinton's left us through their health and agricultural policies.
From the excellent and perspicacious Al Giordano: "It’s Clinton, not Obama, that Is Running Out of Time (and Money)" Who knew.
If her husband was on his game (or had any stones) he'd have asked her if it was also sophistry when the Republicans invoked Ronald Reagan ad nauseum in their debate a few weeks ago. Talk about the past.
Or, for that matter, about her prediction about Fred Thompson taking second in New Hampshire and first in South Carolina.
Apart from her unfortunate associations, the woman is an embarassment as a political commentator.
Excellent comment at the end of the post. Thank you Ms. Belle.
SALLY @ 84:
The only thing drudge can break is wind
And he needs help with that.
just think:if we could find out what kind of drug she's on....we could patent it....and make a fortune.I'm sure the GOP is going through withdrawls now.
ysbaddaden @ 90:
The Drudge story is linked from an actual reliable source. Hil is going to the sexism well once more
SALLY @ 84:
Is this true? [I wont give Drudge a hit.]
If that's the case, perhaps she's read the latest political all-the-rage reporter Al Giordano who wrote this yesterday:
[...] Unfortunately for Clinton, there has been no breakthrough moment (like the emotions expressed on the eve of the New Hampshire primary that provoked a backlash against a male-dominated media’s literal manhandling of the moment). And the debate on Thursday night was at best for her a draw. There has been no really memorable or positive breathrough moment for Clinton since New Hampshire. [...]
Maybe we should all just go shopping.
yeah....we're over boosh...........lol...........ludicrous.After all the dimwit has done......she should be scorned for the rest of her life for contributing to this debacle called an administration.
Mary Matalin is "concern trolling" and obfuscating. Baby Bush ran against President Clinton. He didn't give one campaign speech where he wasn't ridiculing President Clinton or maligning his accomplishments.
Carville summed up the right's hatred of McCain very simply. Mary choked on her coffee and couldn't even respond. It was like he was letting out a dirty family secret:
"Befoah - it was the evangelicals, the supply-sidahs and right-wing radio that called the shots. McCain's not beholden to any of them and they know they're losing all influence if he's the nominee!"
o'really @ 27:
I agree.
Your next to last paragraph says it all - ALL! This country actually may not recover from Mr. Dry Drunk for decades...
hareli @ 87:
Here is the correct link for the above, just scroll down.
MATALIN: You know, this…even Democrats—thinking Democrats—this is not going to be a race about Bush. They have united, this party’s been united under one organizing principle for eight years: it’s anti-Bush. People are over it.
She's right. There is no difference between the two parties; even the congress is under one party system. We have republicans in the democratic senate and congress. Just check their voting records.
Even Bush has made the policies of the Saudi Arabia our own. We are all united under one banner.
look....she's wearing purple...........naw....say it ain't so.......too late beeotch.We will never forget what you've done.She might as well just move to some hard core "Red" state,where she'll be with like minded people........Wyoming comes to mind(no offense to all the good people in Wyoming,but that's where Cheney will return too.
Marys comment that we 'got over' bush, reminds me of the the reporter that said to Mary Lincoln: "Other than that, how was the play?"
reThuglicans would LOVE for Bush not to be an issue but he's an albatross that could be hung around the necks of everyone who supported him. Hell, even Hillary isn't fairing well for even voting for things he supported.
Face it reThugs, your oaths to that oaf called Bush is your downfall...should have thought about America first not worship of a man.
The Smiths - Expose the Corrupt @ 83:
Just call them The Usual Suspects
Mark @ 99:
Correct. At a bare minimum, will be spending the first term seriously mopping up, which pisses me off.
Funny how the Repugs want to "move on" from a presidency that hasn't finished yet, while at the same time they are still obsessed with Clinton who hasn't been in office for 8 years.
So much for the party of "personal presidency."
Fuck the lot of them, and fuck Carville for marrying this hag.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 69:
Good on you for catching that. I have noticed that pundits of the Matalin ilk (and there are many) throw out polysyllabics incorrectly--with abandon. Futhermore, their written works abound with grammatical errors. In short, they are rarely as erudite as they'd have us believe.
More importantly, these cretins have co-opted standard debate techniques (a la Rove) to make assertions that are patently absurd, deliberately deceitful, or completely obfuscating. Thanks to these media lapdogs, we now use 'talking point' to describe almost every argument or assertion, and we seldom fact check anything. If one of our fave pundits says it, it must be true! WOW, who can be the first to repeat it at the water fountain?!?
Too late for me to appreciate the old adage, "ignorance is bliss"...
mudshark @ 101:
NO, NOOOOO!! Please don't send her here!!!
We have high hopes that Darth will be heading to Dubai!
Matalin needs to join Bush in the bubble. It's easy for the Repugs to forget. They have no gag reflex.
Meet The Press: Lady McCheney Says It’s Not About Bush
Well, what do you expect her to say?
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
neverbeenfooled @ 109:
AHA!! That explains why they believe waterboarding is not torture!
[Jane, you really have no idea where the sentiments of the blog lie. Please quit acting as if you do-Sitemonitor]
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
She SO FUNNY!!! :lol:
it is sophistry to even think matalin is any more female than coultergist
and we all know that they share potable eatables below each other's waist.
jane @ 112:
I have seen it go both ways here. If you don't like it Try the list of blogs on the left of the page. Please don't let the doorknob hit you. And thanks for playing.
CoIntelPro @ 115:
Have you, really ?
Tyler Durden @ 106:
And
fuck Carville for telling Gore not to appeal the SCOTUS ruling
and
Fuck Carville for sabotaging ned lamont
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fuck carville for attacking howard dean after the 2006 landslide in favor of the democrats
and
fuck carville on general principle. he's a piece of shit.
Ok, so according to this overpaid bitch, I'm supposed to just forget 8 years of a stolen, nightmarish, miserable excuse of a presidency so right-wing conservatives don't have to feel responsible for the degenerate policies they pushed through that dipshit in the WH.
Go to Hell!
I watched that gabfest last night on rerun... About the only thing I can say about it, is her and her freakish husband look like some kind of evil zombie couple from a Carpenter movie... As for their analysis.. Just the same ol same ol bullshit drama queening. Wringing hands and wistful thinking.. Frankly her and Carville as a married couple from supposedly opposite sides of the political fence has always seemed like the strangest of strange brews to me.....They'd never be able to write that shit in Hollywood and make it sellable... Naw, ya need D.C. for that kind of third rate sci-fi junk.. JD
Her face is drawn so tight from the last plastic surgery, how can she even open her mouth? And then, on top of that, whine?
Don't forget Matalin was in the "Iraq Group" that Bush/Cheney formed inside the white house to "Sell the Iraq war" to the American people, or what is known as a con job. This is relevant because of a study released last week which noted over nine hundered lies told by the white house during the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.
May she be tried with Bush/ Cheney/ Wolfowitz and all the others who lied us into this war that has so far has cost the Iraqis one million men, women and children. This is a war crime.... make no mistake about it.
Blue Lensman @ 108:
they have a nice little facility in Cuba.....just waiting for them.Finally it could be put to good use........they even have a swim class and aerobics there.
Is she *trying* to look like a science fiction villain?
See You Next Tuesday
Cat Atomic @ 123:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-uJTnbLXEWY&feature=related
jane @ 116:
Yes I have. Go back to last week's Obama threads and read the Hillary defender say the opposite of what was bein said in these entries (pertaining to bias on C&L). Really.
If you want to see an inside duplicity, see the Hillary supporting radio station in NYC, AirAmericaRadio. All the Kennedys support Obama except Bobby, Jr., who works for AAR which is owned by former progressive, now corporatist, mark green. mark gets trotted out whenever the msm wants a hillary supporter on, so look for him to make an appearance very soon, even on fux.
The only thing I am "so over" is Carville and Matlin. In fact, they are becomming the main reason I'm swinging my vote to Obama. I blame the Clintons for bringing these two clowns into the public domain (and let's not forget about Dick Morris also). Unless John McCain ends up in the White House, Matlin will be "so wrong" once again. If Hillary or Barack end up in the White House it will say as much if not more about Bush's failed policies, than anything to do with the future. It certainly will be a jarring sharp "left" turn to the future. Hail progress!
mudshark @ 125:
:lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H81jN5ZiKq0&feature=related ....actually....this woman looks better.
Everytime I see this broad on TV, I thank God I am gay. I bet you anything she eats with her snatch.
CoIntelPro @ 126:
While i don't know if this sight is truely biased towards Hillary, I've always thought it was a progressive forum and nothing else. It would be a great irony for them to outright endorse her. Glass of Whitewater anyone.
John didn't seem to favor either on KO's show.
rekroc @ 3:
DAMN! You took the words right off my computer. Look at those cheek bones, just like her crypt keeper husband.
CoIntelPro @ 126:
CoIntelPro @ 126:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Kathleen Kennedy and Kerry Kennedy also support HRC. Google it.
no mary, it's about bush, 8 years of bush by the end of it. 8 crummy, rotten, scummy, drop dead eat crap years of bush.
and we blame the gop for it too. people like you mary.
Matalin's head is so far up Cheney's ass, she thinks it's nightime all the time.
Like all the rest of the neocon, loser repugs......lies are golden. "It's not about the past, it's about the future". Huh?? Why is it we hear ronnie's name some 30-70 times at every debate they throw? All they have is myths about this man responsible for screwing up the middle class family more than any other person, past, present or future.
They can say anything, cause they do. No matter how totally absurd their statements are, nobody calls them on it because it is a total waste of time.
The party of illusions, smoke and mirrors. This bitch is just one of the shills that shovel this crap on a daily basis to their sheep.
Bush turns a country into a slaughterhouse and calls it freedom.
I remember when Watergate hit the fan, all the Republican's said that it was merely because the Democrats hated Nixon. Not that Nixon broke laws, just that the Dems hated him.
Sorry Mary, it is about Bush. This is Bush's war, Bush's economy, Bush's Katrina (remember Katrina, Mary?), Bush's rape of the Constitution, Bush's waterboarding, Bush's torture. Bush's Attorney General Gonzalez, etc, etc, etc.
You backed the wrong horse, honey, and he's running last.
137 Tupharsin Says: Bush turns a country into a slaughterhouse and calls it freedom.
He ain't educated enough to call it an abattoir.
Besides it sounds too French, call it Liberty House.
He'd claim democracy is like sausages, if you enjoy them don't watch it being made.
I also blame the senior Bush for this debacle. As anyone with children knows, he had to know that Junior wasn't up to this job. He failed at business after business, had to be bailed out by family friends over and over. You know, friends like James Baker, who went down to Florida and made sure the 2000 election was good and stolen.
Bush 2's lack of brains and totally smug attitude is there for all the world to see. I guess Dad and Mom thought this would be Dad's turn to run the country a second time when Junior figured out he was in over his head. They knew him best and should have realized what a thickhead he is. And the country has paid the price for this debacle.
rekroc @ 3:
Actually it seems he's not getting any from Carville. Who would be? looking so much the hag that all repuklean woman are known for.
"....about the future, not about the past." What does she think has shaped the future for many many years to come. So, many of us will make our decisions based upon the terrible situation GWB and his Republican cohorts (oops....and Lieberman) have placed us in. Will someone PLEASE tell this creepy woman that she's either stupid, transparent, or just plain looney!
she fucking hopes. otherwise goodbye elephant see ya in about 24 years.
Great, since elections are about the future not the past, can we not hear the name Ronald Reagan anymore for this election?
But the hair and outfit says "it" is about bush, not that there's anything wrong with that - I like a little bush myself now and then (mostly then, sadly). Besides, she has a five and a half foot live dildo at home she's not using.
Yeah, it's all about Ray Gun.
"Last word freaks!"
piece, I'm out.
Is she Skeletors daughter?
Jack Jet @130...you just had to go there didn't you?Thanks a lot ...............for the mental imagery...............damn thing probably has teeth..........
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