Conyers to Bush: I'm Staying Here To Work On FISA
By Nicole Belle Thursday Feb 14, 2008 12:35pm
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. released the following statement to President Bush’s commitment to work on foreign surveillance legislation through the recess:
“The President’s efforts to cast blame on FISA, echoed by his allies in Congress, show an appalling disregard for the facts. He threatened to veto any extension of the Protect America Act and, following his lead, every single Republican in the House voted against the 21 day extension I sponsored in the House. The President and House Republicans cannot have it both ways, simultaneously arguing that the PAA is essential to national security and also engineering the defeat of an extension of it. The consequences for inaction are their responsibility.
“Unfortunately, it is the same old tired rhetoric of fear that the country overwhelmingly rejected in the 2006 elections.
“From what I have seen from the Justice Department documents so far, there is no need to provide amnesty to telecommunication companies who are protected under current law, as long as they and the government are acting accordingly. I have not seen anything that leads me to believe, as the President seems to believe, that providing amnesty to these companies is a more compelling public interest than our Constitutionally protected right to privacy.
Chairman Silvestre Reyes of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence also issued a statement challenging Bush to "put partisanship aside" on the FISA debate:
The proper course is now to conference the House bill with the Senate bill that was passed on Tuesday. There are significant differences between these two bills and a conference, in regular order, is the appropriate mechanism to resolve the differences between these two bills. I urge you, Mr. President, to put partisanship aside and allow Republicans in Congress to arrive at a compromise that will protect America and protect our Constitution.
I, for one, do not intend to back down - not to the terrorists and not to anyone, including a President, who wants Americans to cower in fear.
We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won.
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I'm Number One!!!!
"...we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won."
Ummm, you've already sent that message. Went out a long time ago. Would you like the tracking number?
The terrorists won the day the term "War on Terror" became our way of life.
I just listened to Bush's pathetic speech in trying to get his immunity bill passed. He referred to 'tools necessary to keep the American people safe' that we haven't been attacked since 9/11.
First, Nancy Pelosi said that he can continue what he was doing, nothing is expiring.
Second, just let him pick up the tools that Bill Clinton used to keep us from getting attacked for eight years [1993-2001], until Bush and Rice ignored warnings that were given to them.
Third, why does this clown think that what he thinks is worth more than what 65% of the country thinks? [35% are devoted sycophants of his].
Hey fellow Americans conyers is finally going to do his job....he sure wants to win in November doesn't he....AND HE IS MAKING SURE AMERICA knows he is there. Whoop de doo.
Something tells me the media will not portray what happened yesterday how it really happened, and call the Rethug hacks out for what they really are. I really like Conyers, even considering his impeachment grandstanding. Oh what a feeling it would be to watch Cheney thrown out of office, but perhaps energy could be better spent elsewhere. If nothing changes I'm seriously considering leaving the country by the end of 2009, but for the first time in 8 years, I feel confident about my future, and the country's future, and thats a feeling I think a lot of people are having right now. The lights pushing the the savages back to the tress.
Well, this is promising. I'm not getting my hopes up, but I will keep working the phones and e-mail. I'm pretty sick of our officials making choices that are immoral, bad politics and also against the will of the people.
As lafin gas pointed out last night. We actually have been attacked since 9/11. Someone attacked us and our representatives with Anthrax.
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Rep Conyers, don't tease me. Don't tease me bro. You better stick to your guns this time.
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Fourth, I would feel much safer with him 'where war criminals go'.
As I see it, holding AT&T and Verizon responsible for their acts, and exposing them to the consequences that ordinary citizens would be subjected to for breaking the law, is the first step in breaking the fascist hold on the country.
I would also urge everybody to stop using the services of these companies, if you are able.
It's breath-taking what the republicans have done to our country since the puppet government was put in place in 2000.
I'm still fed up with Conyers and his rhetoric. When he starts using his teeth instead of his growl, I'll not think of him as part of the problem.
How many times does it need to be said? If the telecoms were simply helping out and not doing anything illegal...WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
O'Reilly lambasted his minions last night about this issue, but conveniently 'forgot' to mention the retroactive immunity part.
Blimey! Clear, erudite and articulate statements from Conyers and Reyes.
I fully expect the majority of the MSM to simply characterize their arguments as being purely in opposition to Bush without actually quoting their reasoning or providing any explanation or context, thus preserving the currently ordained equivalencies of argument and counter-argument on imortant issues regardless of any supporting logic, facts or reason.
Dennis @ 2:
I'll echo that... except to say that "they" didn't need a call, they see the memo every day in our headlines. Bushco is so blind to the facts - he is playing right into their hands... maybe he's the one we ought to investigate for being a sleeper???
Goddammit, I am sick of this talk, talk, talk. The Dems have been in office over a year and nothing has been done. Investigation, hearings, investigations, hearings. Lies after lies from the Bushies and they just talk. Scream, shout, demand something.
they have beat the terror drum to death and i for one am tired of hearing it. terrorist are real, but scaring people in to flushing the Constitution down the toilet isn't going to stop them. Bush does'nt want checks and balances and these dickhead rethugs that walked out of their session yesterday don't either, but wait until a democrat is in the white house then they will wish the had not handed the exec branch unchecked power (even though i'm sure the new Pres would'nt use it). I can't wait.
Liberal Traitor @ 13:
Exactly. And their excuse as to why its okay to wiretap people: if you're not doing anything illegal, what's there to worry about? This question needs to be thrown back into their face.
Again, they can't have it both ways.
Dennis @ 2:
Ummm, because people like you, too dense to listen, who've give up on the Constitution, given up on democracy, and want a "leader" to tell you what to do and think. Just like when you had daddy tell you when to poop.
And really, he's not much of a leader. Bush had his secret warrentless wiretapping in place 6 months before 9/11. And it didn't do a damn thing to protect this country.
I'm willing to wager $20 that by midnight on Monday (since a weekend is coming up), some moonbat pundit or talk show host will accuse Conyers of using Nazi tactics and/or compare him to Hitler.
Blue Buddha and Liberal Traitor @ 13 are correct.
It needs to be repeated over and over again:
"WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
WHY DO THEY NEED FUCKING IMMUNITY? IMMUNITY FROM WWWHHHAAATTT!!!???
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I'm watching a tape made earlier today on c-span. Hoyer is speaking about this to the cameras. He sounds like his resolve is solid. Conyers and Reyes are there with him. I think this time they are going be firm. They resented the push that bush put on them for this.
Imagine if the House had passed it yesterday minus the amnesty, bush would have vetoed it today and be off to Africa tonight. We would have been exactly where we are now. I think the crux of this thing is more about some obligation bush has to the telecoms than it is about anything else. There is something big here that we don't know about yet.
we haven’t been attacked since 9/11.
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which was sourced to a US military base. and no prosecutions followed.
Maybe there is something the telecoms know that they are threatening to tell if bush doesn't give them this legal protection. Not state secrets, but something like who they were asked to tap or something like that.
A President who wants Americans to cower in fear.
The Bush Legacy
Well done,Representatives Conyers and Reyes.Alas,the spark of leadership burns by confronting the ominous purveyors of terror,the Bush administration and the Republicans and Democrats who fearfully cater to every Bush/Cheney swipe at Constitutional law,as they try to give away each American`s freedom to greedy corporate would-be slave masters.
Those that follow these two fine men are our friends,and those that do not, our enemies-- THE ONES WITHOUT TRUTH OR HONOR.
pissed off patricia @ 25:
Well you can't win with these guys. Most of these Telecoms are probably secret Bush supporters as long as money keeps flowing their way. If they get in trouble they will be saying to Bush, Save us big daddy. YOU OWE US.
If Bush doesn't do that they will turn right around and stab him or whoever right in the back.
There's no honor amongst thieves for the most part when the going gets truly tough.
There's more to the picture, than meets the eye...
..why Bush and the criminal Supreme Court had to suppress the whistle blowers.
But they are still talking and have been...
http://www.nswbc.org/Press%20Releases/PressRelease-March5-07.htm
Patriotic Americans will not cower to Bush fear.
Including U.S. Scientists...
Leading U.S. scientists called on Congress Thursday to make sure the next president does not do what they say the George W. Bush Administration has done: censor, suppress and falsify important environmental and health research.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/15/7085/
"We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won."
About F*&^*ING TIME someone said it!
FINALLY!!!!!
The Dems need to hammer this point home on an hourly basis.
They will send Bush the PAA in a second, but he will not sign it, simply to protect corporations from lawsuits. Bush will sacrifice our safety to protect corporations.
The film used in the Dem's Party X-Ray was very slow acting. Only now, over a year after it was taken are any of the Vertebrae starting to show up.
Conyers is only Cervical #1, we are looking for the complete backbone.
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If warrantless wiretapping is the "PATRIOTIC" thing to do, then why the immunity from the Fourth Amendment?
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Way to grow a backbone, now stick to it.
Marge @ 5:
Howdy Marge. can I call you marge?
It seems as though you seem to think that Mr Conyers is doing this for being re-elected again.
So what do you figure rePUGs do what they do on this bill, like walking out and all that. How do you feel about that action?
I am sure you have a good reason for your attitude about John Conyers, let us know why you feel this way!
Someone is finally saying 'No' to the spoiled, rich frat-boy?
and its only taken 5 decades ... (thanks a load Babs).
Liberal AND Proud @ 30:
No doubt. I can just see it, The First Annual Terrorist Image Awards. Brought to you by FOX, Al Jazeera, and GE. (We bring good things to life)
I think the argument for immunity is so the patriotic telcoms can avoid costly and frivolous lawsuits. It's bullshit, of course, but that's argument.
Fun Me:
They need immunity from having their asses sued up the ying for all those violations of privacy lawsuits we get to file, cause every court in the land that respects the Constitution will tell them all that they had no business wiretapping everyday American citizens in the name of National Security at the order of the President.
We saw what happened when Nixon tried that shyt - he resigned rather than get frog marched from the White House on national TV. And all Nixon did was break into the Democratic National Committee offices here in DC and try to find out who the party was going to run against him in the '72 elections.
Congress found the grounds (and their balls) to impeach him for abusing his power as President of the United States.
So what's the Current Congress' excuse for failing to bring impeachment charges against a President who not only violated his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, but has done everything possible to burn that sucker and throw it in the trash?
(((crickets chirping)))
pissed off patricia @ 10:
I get the feeling that this is an end run around impeachment and that the Demo side of the house has taken so much garbage from other folks that they are gonna stiff De Pres on some of the light weight stuff. Too bad the Senate couldn't do it right.
John CONyers is just stringing us along.
As we chat these Republican assholes are once again lying to the public on CSPAN.
Can't you just see boygeorge crying and stomping his feet, calling out for mommy! Go ahead georgie, hold your breath until you get your way. I dare you...
obama is inspiring and empowering even our spineless congress... DAYUM!
and that is why he has my support.
"42 Chip Says: As we chat these Republican assholes are once again lying to the public on CSPAN."
from the people i hear calling into C-Span on washington journal everyday i'd have to presume that they're a lost cause, regardless.
just sayin'
I think the Dems finally realized, 'Hey, if the Rethugs can listen in on the terrorist, they can listen in on us!' Oh, and as T.P.J@39 alluded to, that 'us' is not 'we the people', but 'us at the DNC'.
Whatever, as long as they fix this shit.
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Intel chair to Bush on FISA: I will not back down to you
RAW STORY
Published: Thursday February 14, 2008
Congressman Silvestre Reyes, Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, sent a letter to President Bush regarding the ongoing battle over warrantless wiretapping.
Text of the letter follows below.
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President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
The Preamble to our Constitution states that one of our highest duties as public officials is to "provide for the common defence." As an elected Member of Congress, a senior Member of the House Armed Services Committee, and Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, I work everyday to ensure that our defense and intelligence capabilities remain strong in the face of serious threats to our national security.
Because I care so deeply about protecting our country, I take strong offense to your suggestion in recent days that the country will be vulnerable to terrorist attack unless Congress immediately enacts legislation giving you broader powers to conduct warrantless surveillance of Americans' communications and provides legal immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the Administration's warrantless surveillance program.
Today, the National Security Agency (NSA) has authority to conduct surveillance in at least three different ways, all of which provide strong capability to monitor the communications of possible terrorists.
First, NSA can use its authority under Executive Order 12333 to conduct surveillance abroad of any known or suspected terrorist. There is no requirement for a warrant. There is no requirement for probable cause. Most of NSA's collection occurs under this authority.
Second, NSA can use its authority under the Protect America Act, enacted last August, to conduct surveillance here in the U.S of any foreign target. This authority does not "expire" on Saturday, as you have stated. Under the PAA, orders authorizing surveillance may last for one year – until at least August 2008. These orders may cover every terrorist group without limitation. If a new member of the group is identified, or if a new phone number or email address is identified, the NSA may add it to the existing orders, and surveillance can begin immediately. We will not "go dark."
Third, in the remote possibility that a new terrorist organization emerges that we have never previously identified, the NSA could use existing authority under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor those communications. Since its establishment nearly 30 years ago, the FISA Court has approved nearly every application for a warrant from the Department of Justice. In an emergency, NSA or the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) may begin surveillance immediately, and a FISA Court order does not have to be obtained for three days. The former head of FISA operations for the Department of Justice has testified publicly that emergency authorization may be granted in a matter of minutes.
As you know, the 1978 FISA law, which has been modernized and updated numerous times since 9/11, was instrumental in disrupting the terrorist plot in Germany last summer. Those who say that FISA is outdated do not understand the strength of this important tool.
If our nation is left vulnerable in the coming months, it will not be because we don't have enough domestic spying powers. It will be because your Administration has not done enough to defeat terrorist organizations – including al Qaeda -- that have gained strength since 9/11. We do not have nearly enough linguists to translate the reams of information we currently collect. We do not have enough intelligence officers who can penetrate the hardest targets, such as al Qaeda. We have surged so many intelligence resources into Iraq that we have taken our eye off the ball in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As a result, you have allowed al Qaeda to reconstitute itself on your watch.
You have also suggested that Congress must grant retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies. As someone who has been briefed on our most sensitive intelligence programs, I can see no argument why the future security of our country depends on whether past actions of telecommunications companies are immunized.
The issue of telecom liability should be carefully considered based on a full review of the documents that your Administration withheld from Congress for eight months. However, it is an insult to the intelligence of the American people to say that we will be vulnerable unless we grant immunity for actions that happened years ago.
Congress has not been sitting on its hands. Last November, the House passed responsible legislation to authorize the NSA to conduct surveillance of foreign terrorists and to provide clarity and legal protection to our private sector partners who assist in that surveillance.
The proper course is now to conference the House bill with the Senate bill that was passed on Tuesday. There are significant differences between these two bills and a conference, in regular order, is the appropriate mechanism to resolve the differences between these two bills. I urge you, Mr. President, to put partisanship aside and allow Republicans in Congress to arrive at a compromise that will protect America and protect our Constitution.
I, for one, do not intend to back down – not to the terrorists and not to anyone, including a President, who wants Americans to cower in fear.
We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won.
Sincerely,
Silvestre Reyes
Member of Congress
Chairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
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From what I understand, this bullshit Protect America Act will expire tomorrow if the two sides can't stop poking each other in the eye... I say let it... Much like 'clear sky initiatives' and 'leave no child behind' Orwellian phrase torture, this PAA does not protect our nation. Rather it subects... American citizens to tyranny and the constitution to abuse while letting off the hook institutions and figures in positions of power for criminal behaviors and acts... Fuck the PAA I say! I say send both sides back to the drawing board and get it right without giving the telcoms a pass retroactively for their criminal acts and without caving in to Bush's pedantic childish scare tactics and phonyass lying threats. I'm fed up with hearing about this shit! FIX IT dammit... And this time get it right! Noone wants a bad guy punking the nation out... Be it a terrorist, a telcom exec or a fuckup excuse for a president... And noone wants to trade the bill of rights for a facade of security....NOONE!!! JD
I feel the need to ask the obvious - how many of you are boycotting Verizon and AT&T over their illegal actions? We need to hit them in the pocket book and let them know that we are angry about being spied on and won't do business with unethical companies. Has anyone thought about this seriously? I'm not an organizer by any means but this seems to be a good way to send some serious hurt their way, I'm just sayin'.
Right frickin' on!!! No Mr. Conyers, stand behind your words... do not let this partisan pretend-president deter your courage. Stand firm. Do not waiver. Do what you were elected to do... serve the people of the United States of America. Oh yeah, and DO IT NOW!
Dan Lundgren, just like all other republic members of Congress, spewing an immense amount of manure!
Conyers "doesn't think"???? What the hell? He's leaving this open to debate by speaking as if this is an opinion. How about speaking with conviction and confidence? How about some stronger language John? Maybe you should use the recess to find your balls. The biggest danger to the country isn't the Congress, it's the incompetent and unconcerned administration. It's George, "I'm truly not that concerned about him [OBL]" Bush.
Steny Hoyer is spelling it out to the reichwing idiots!
if the telecom companies and the bush regime have ILLEGALLY spied on Americans for up to eight months prior to 9.11.2001, then they are guilty of violating FISA and other Constitutional Laws, and therefore must be prosecuted.
enough said!
Telecom immunity isn't about national security; it's all about protecting Bush
and those in his administration who broke the law, in a blatant and prima facia way.
If the telecoms had to defend themselves in court, they'd have to drag the White House into it as their only justification for knowingly breaking the law.
The lawsuits filed against the telecoms don't concern the administration because of potential financial damage to the companies themselves. It's because the suits will do what the Democratic Congress has failed to do: initiate discovery proceedings against the actions of the administration with regard to impeachable offenses.
Well played, Conyer. Your stock is rising again.
>The lawsuits filed against the telecoms don’t concern the administration because of potential financial damage to the companies themselves. It’s because the suits will do what the Democratic Congress has failed to do: initiate discovery proceedings against the actions of the administration with regard to impeachable offenses.
Thank you! I 've had the feeling that this is what was going on but have you have characterized it exactly so it can be understood by ...well ... all but 29% of Americans ...
haveWait a minute. Is that anything new here? Go back a year. Same language. It like taking a year to punish your child.
I'm betting that this "compromise" Conyers is talking about will include immunity for telecoms. Why is it that whenever a Democrat talks about a "compromise" it always means that Bush will get everything he wants while giving nothing up?
So the House Democrats talked tough for one day. Let's see if it's real or just more theater. We've had the football yanked away at the last minute so many times that I'm not all that ready to start celebrating yet.
I know one thing: Any Democrat (Nelson, Nelson, Webb, etc) who voted for this FISA bill with Immunity deserves to be defeated when they come up for re-election. And that includes Reid, who voted "Nay" but still is the most responsible for bringing this bill up in its present form in the first place. I've lost respect for Harry Reid.
Message to Repugs-
Here's a hypothetical. Lets say that you are living in an apartment (more accurately, your upper east side condo) and you come home to find out that your building manager let some guys in to search your home. They went through everything you own, your underwear drawer is on the floor, your refrigerator has been gone through, etc. Your building manager never asked to see the warrant, he doesn't even know if they had one. He says, "well they were wearing suits, they said they were from the government, what reason did I have to doubt them?"
You would want your building manager fired immediately. You would be livid that he didn't ask to see a warrant, to inquire in the least to protect your home from invasion.
Well, some of us want to see that AT&T never fails to ask to see a warrant again.
We're from the government and we're here to help.........How stupid can they be?
Dr. Acula @ 52:
Dan Lundgren is proof that California has just as retarded RePUGs as Texas.
We didn't expect him to get to Washington after we cut the string he keeps tied to his belt loop.
Just can't seem to find much info on CNN.com .... hmmmmm
but I did see these hardhitting frontpage editorials:
"* Cars that will impress women on first date"
"* Swimsuit '08: Cowboys cheerleader, 11 more"
bush is a terriorist
America to bush:
you are on trial and found guilty of crimes(disclosure is American privilege)
it's time to behead the king
Well ya'll...(so when does this expire, at midnite tonight or Sat??)...better stock up on supplies and get in yer shelter............cause the tear-ists are a coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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seriously. where does anyone think this is going to lead? c'mon. honestly.
I do not get the President at all.
Terrorists are not going to be fucking stupid and just use cell phones with 2 year contracts and communicate via e-mail. Is he that stupid???
Since the Senate betrayed the Constitution and the American People, couldn't have done it without the help of alleged "Democrats", it's up to the House to save the day. They have sufficient votes that they canforce the issue if only the Democrats behave as Democrats.
2008 is shaping as a year that needs to go down in history as a year that all the bumbs got thrown out.
Geno in Ptown Says: I do not get the President at all.
"Terrorists are not going to be fucking stupid and just use cell phones with 2 year contracts and communicate via e-mail. Is he that stupid???"
No, but he thinks we are. How's that jive wath ya?
I do not get the President at all.
Terrorists are not going to be fucking stupid and just use cell phones with 2 year contracts and communicate via e-mail. Is he that stupid???
No he isn't. But he does believe we the people are...
Are the Republicans dumb enough to run on issues that the majority of Americans are on the other side of? They are "picking fights", on torture, Guantanamo, and war. They know these are losing interests now. Do they also know that these will not be losing issues in November? If so, how?
"We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won."
Call anybody you like; the terrorists (BushCo) will hear you.
A post Valentine's day hug to Mr. Conyers!
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Q U E S T I O N:
If warrantless wiretapping is the patriotic thing to do, during a time of war, to keep America safe, so that we can fight them there, so as to not fight them here, then why the need for immunity?
The Fourth Amendment is clear… thus the need for immunity… NO?
So, is the Fourth Amendment incorrect?
Is the Fourth Amendment an Amendment that lacks in Patriotic cause?
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The Spies Who Love You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxKYG6KTK-M
Marge @ 5:
Conyers is beloved in his district, for all the obvious reasons. He is the longest serving Representative in Congress, which attests to his lack of need to worry about 'winning in November.'
Let's look at the 2006 election, shall we?
John Conyers Jr. 156,928 --- 85%
Challenger---------9,379 -----5%
So, Marge, you're lying. But you knew that.
Obama voted for immunity, didn't he?
Nicole Belle: No, he did not. McCain did. Hillary Clinton was not present to vote.
I agree with the good Congressman and I hope he stays with it. Bush and the Repunlicans have been playing around with the people of this country for far too long and we need all of our elected officials to stand up to them and prepair them for the inevadable victory that is coming to slap the shit out of them and put them in place, once and for all.
Paul in LA @ 77:
So Paul, Our Marge didn't respond back when I called her before about her little problem with Mr. Conyers. Be sure and Call her Marge, I think she likes that!
75 Max-1 Says: .
Q U E S T I O N:
If warrantless wiretapping is the patriotic thing to do, during a time of war, to
keep America safe, so that we can fight them there, so as to not fight them
here, then why the need for immunity?
The Fourth Amendment is clear… thus the need for immunity… NO?
So, is the Fourth Amendment incorrect?
Is the Fourth Amendment an Amendment that lacks in Patriotic cause?
Except for the tiny detail, from Feb 2001 - Sept 10 2001, We were NOT at war, thus under the then current 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveilance Act (FISA) law domestic warrantless wiretapping was ILLEGAL, and the telecom companies and the bush admin who demanded it BROKE THE LAW, get it now?!
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