White men can jump -- to Obama
By Steve Benen Tuesday Feb 19, 2008 7:39amIt’s not just that Barack Obama keeps winning primaries and caucuses. And it’s not just the sizable margins of his victories. What’s really disconcerting for the Clinton campaign right now is how — and with whom — Obama is getting ahead.
Obama won the Wisconsin primary by stealing support from blue-collar workers, previously a key Clinton bloc.
If Clinton was to survive the string of February losses, it was going to be by holding on to what her chief strategist, Mark Penn, has called her “durable coalition.” White women, Latinos, and older voters would be unmoved by Obama’s flash. No group was more crucial to the Penn argument than blue-collar voters. Clinton aides argued that not only were bedrock Democratic voters for Clinton, but they had an aversion to Obama. “How can the Democratic nominee win without working people?” asked a top Clinton adviser recently.
In Wisconsin, according to exit polls, Obama placed ahead of Clinton among those who make less than $50,000 a year and among those with less than a college education. He has now won working-class white men in Wisconsin, Missouri, New Hampshire, California, Maryland, and Virginia. Obama also ate into Clinton’s usual margin with white women voters.
Any reasonable comeback scenario for Clinton includes a very strong showing among blue-collar voters. In fact, the same way Texas and Ohio are firewall states for Clinton, this is a firewall constituency for her. And yet, it looks like a firewall that is slowly starting to crumble.
Other items of interest from the exit polls:
He split white women, marking about a 10-point improvement since early February. He also won half of married women, and even won single women. Obama took six in ten white men, a demographic that has shifted between the two candidates throughout the race. His white male support also marked about a 10-point improvement since Super Tuesday.
Regionally, the news was no better for Clinton. Obama won a majority of suburban voters, something Clinton did on Super Tuesday. He split rural voters, whom Clinton had won by about 20 points two weeks ago. Clinton also had won a slight majority of urban voters then. Obama won Wisconsin city dwellers by about a two to one ratio. […]
Obama won independents by a two to one ratio, which amounted to one in four voters. Obama won every philosophical persuasion of Democrat. Those who identified as “very liberal” to “somewhat conservative” voted for the Illinois senator. Half the electorate were liberal and Obama won them by double digits. The largest share of voters, though, identified as moderates. And Obama won a clear majority of their support.
The lone bright spot for the New York senator? She won seniors, again, who have become her most reliable backers.
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This may sound heretical, but Barack (or Hillary) Should Just Say NO, To Public Financing!
Bring on Texas, Ohio, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaah, oh, wait a sec......
You just totally "plagiarized" MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell.
After viewing last night's speeches, it is becoming painfully obvious that Hillary Clinton must dredge up some grace and humility soon toward Senator Obama, or she will become the political equivalent of an ingrown toenail. I was looking forward to feeling pride for a woman candidate, but if she is this discourteous toward a fellow Democrat, how will her lack of diplomacy translate to rectifying American foreign policy?
Meanwhile, Senator Obama is looking more and more like the one who can unite the country and restore habeas corpus, end torture, and promote the rights of working families.
Clinton + Presidency = NAFTA
Blue Collar Jobs ÷ NAFTA= Obama Votes
Don Davis @ 1:
McCain is setting a trap if Obama accepts. There is no guarantee that Swift Boat adds, or outsider adds would be off limits or not, leaving Obama cash strapped for defend against swift boating.
Obamamania @ 2:
Yay, you got it!
But seriously, I don't see much movement for Clinton here in TX. The only thing I see going for her are her TV ads.
But that's of course among the young, college-aged crowd.
I'm sorry but NAFTA came back to bite her in the ass. Doesn't matter if it was her husband who pushed it through, either. It also doesn't matter if she was against NAFTA - in her "35 years of experience" she has shown she is the ultimate corporate lackey and if anyone would have been moved by her experience, it would have been people in Wisconsin.
I think Ohio gets stolen again...but Texas may be another story.
I don't care who gets nominated. I'll vote for either, gladly. On March 4th, I'll flip a coin. Whatever. My concern is for the Supreme Court and it should be a big concern for people, instead of this sports team mentality that I've seen on both sides of this race. I'm sick of the petulant breath-holding.
McCain knows he has to sell his image to non white, non wealthy voters who believe that further tax reductions for his white-wealthy constituents is the answer to all of our economic problems.
Senator,you might want to try an all you can eat buffet, because the people that you need are really truly hurting, and a free meal may be the only good thing to happen to a family living on the edge of despair and ruin.
kablooie @ 4:
Those are my thoughts exactly. I'm still split, but noticing her criticism as well. As well as Obama's "unity" factor.
Also what Kablooie said - she's being really ungracious and it's her own fault for thinking that she was entitled to the Presidency because her last name is Clinton.
How dare that uppity Negro get out of his place and actually make her have to fight for the nomination. /snark
She should have fired Mark Penn when he screwed her over in Iowa - but then again, this guy's connected to the DLC leadership; and they always find or create ways to lose campaigns they should be winning.
If Hillary doesn't do something fast, she is about to become the Democrats, Huckabee.
I think she has all her chips on the table for this next debate. Maybe she can find one more bunny to pull out of her hat, if she doesn't, it's time to bow out with grace and honor.
It would also be nice if when Obama wins a state, she would congratulate him in her speech. It seems it's the right thing to do.
McCain's speech last night was pitiful. As far as speakers go, he's just the opposite of Obama.
Karla @ 9:
Amen! Amen!
Weee! Just felt the sonic boom as the space shuttle returns to earth. One of the cheap thrills of living in Florida.
Texas is too macho for Hillary.
Men like women who are poised, objective and open to diaolog without sounding patronizing. . Sadly Hillary is not one of those women, she is smart and she knows her policies, but her code of conduct is shrilly. Refusing to give a concession speech to Obama for two straight nights of losses is considered verry unsportsman-like and it is a side of her character that is not liked. Playing dirty does not help her image.
Some people will get mad at my comment, but macho men are a reality and the Democrat ones are chosing Obama 2 to 1.
sorry...but I feel very strongly that the Dems will lose if Obama is the nominee....think many of these "white guys' voting for him are crossovers from the Repugs....same with the young people, while it's great to see them engaged have a very strong feeling when November comes around they will "have other things to do"....this very eerily reminds me of the massive anti-war vote that McGovern got in the nomination process but we lost heavily in the general........
I'm like everyone above said..it's NAFTA
but I will vote for whomever is the Dem nominee..........
Time to go, Hillary. You had your chance and you blew it with your targeted strategy and your feelings of "inevitability."
For the good of the party, step aside and let Obama run.
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning."
Maybe they should've called it " Hawaii 10-0," as Sen. Barack Obama now has ten straight wins after besting Sen. Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's Hawaii caucuses.
I love how she uses speeches to convince us that speeches don't matter. Won't anyone on her staff tell her that that's moronic.
At the debate, she's probably say "Thanks for having this debate, finally, Barack. Now I can say what I've wanted to say for weeks: Talk is cheap"
Her campaign people are idiots.
Let's go Texas and end this nonsense!
Hooray!
i wouldn't actually count hillary out until AFTER a cuple more large primaries like texas and ohio.
if she doesn't at least win them then ya shes toast
I think Hillary may have to start talking about "hope" in her speeches, because it is starting to look like that is all she has left.
After the Potomic Primary I said Clinton would be finished by March 4th. My prediction is becoming more evident. Obama is aleady even in Texas and I don't think she has ever beaten him in a race this close.
There isn't much Clinton can do now. She reinvented herself too many times to know what she stands for and she, and the Obamentum has snowballed all across the country.
My next prediction will be by next week Obama will be up 10 points in the national polls.
pissed off patricia @ 15:
What the heck? Lucky...
grochi harzep @ 22:
Don't worry, got it covered :)
White moderate/conservative men, in the north and south alike, voting for a black man? No big surprise there.
When Obama takes the White House, hopefully this will once and for all expose race-baiting party activists for the destructive, manipulative scumbags they truly are. And that goes for both sides of the aisle!
NAFTA won't go away, no matter who is the nominee, nobody will get rid of NAFTA.The biggest fairy tale on the campaign trail.
No Democrat, no Republican will get rid of NAFTA.
Tweety finally asked the question;What are his accomplishments? Exactly what bills that he authored,have passed.I know he introduced quite a few but which ones passed?Don't get me wrong,I like both candidates.And will be very happy with either one.But,We should be asking this question ..........Exactly,what are his accomplishments?
And I ask the very same question of HRC as well.
Fil @ 28:
Not even Ron Paul? LOLz.
grumpyoldvet @ 17:
I appreciate your point-of-view and experience, but I have to disagree. Hillary vs. McCain would be like Kerry vs. Bush in 2004. The key issue for our time is Iraq and Hillary is in the same difficult position Kerry was. Plus, can you imagine Obama vs. McCain in debates? Obama would eviscerate him!
In 2000 rightwingers voted for Bush because you would like to have a beer with him and Gore was to elitist.
In 2008 democrats want Obama to be the democratic nominee because he "inspires so much" and Hillary is uncool.
Different group of voters, but same mindset.
grumpyoldvet@17: Big differance from then and now. McGovern voters where the left end of the democratic party and we never had the middle of the party. Whats happening today is very differant. Obama is reaching all ends of the party and indepentants. Apples and oranges.
Obama is even converting mild Republicans into Obamicans. Something Hillary cannot do, she does the opposite, she pushes Reagan Democrats to McCain.
On this mornings Carpetbagger Report Steve cross posted the Amendment 4882 Vote story from Liberal Nation.
The vote was an issue of substance and offers contrast in the Candidates on many levels.
Background analysis of this story would be helpful.
grumpyoldvet @ 17:
yes your right! ive got an old korean war shipmate from arkansaw, hes an old die hard republican, we email some! and hes told me many repigs are voteing for obama in the primarys, but are going with mccsnain in the general, i dont see obama or mccsnoodle winning the national election , if its not diebold that screws us it will be voter registration fraud , and when that voters in the voteing booth even if he said he was for obama , he,ll be scared of what influence the blacks will have in this country, face it americas not that far from the days of black and whites drinking fountains at the grayhound bus station, and clintons just a corporate clone!
AshWilliams @ 26:
Atta boy AshWillims jump in with both feet!
sorry i meant clinton when i said mccsnoodel
AshWilliams @ 30:
A clear reference was made to "nominee."
Like Dennis "Department of Peace" Kucinich, Ron "The Isolationist" Paul has good intentions, but is way too quirky to ever get elected president, much less secure a party nomination.
mudshark @ 29:
A big Obama accomplishment is the commitment not to take money from lobbyists. How many have been willing to do that?
He is committed to lobbying and ethics reform, perhaps the biggest issue of all in Washington.
Honest Leadership and Open Government Act
The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act
The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act
The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act)
But I guess Tweety doesn't give much weight to that kind of work.
kablooie @ 4:
Gee, ya think? Where have you been. Hillary doesn't even inspire her own husband. Chelsea looked like the typical tourist in Hawaii yesterday. The same kind of "puritan" that came off the Mayflower and cleansed all the natives. Not gonna' work.
Obama's website claims they have just had their 500,000th YTD 2008 donation.
And I went to CNN's election site and tallied up the state-by-state vote counts - I would ask someone to verify my math unless I added it up wrong - but I came to a figure of over 10 million votes cast for Obama in the primaries to date.
10 million. Yes we can.
Surprise. The Democrats have found a way to throw another Presidential contest.
Run the Most Liberal Member of the Senate who has No Accomplishments, No Experience, and a Creey Cultic Appeal to Moonbat Leftists against an Establishment Moderate who has been a Media Darling for twenty years.
I thank you, and President McCain thanks you.
Fil @ 34:
Of course hindsight is always 20-20, but Hillary's high negatives (even before the first primary) foretold what is unfolding before us now.
The first 100 days
Universal Healthcare
Take the earnings cap off of Social Security
Exile all Republicans to Elba
Mike Meyer @ 32:
I don't think I'll ever understand the criticism of his message. Inspiration and hope are now something to be taken sparingly or with a grain of salt?
And as far as the "Hillary is uncool" thing goes, for me it's not so much as she's "uncool" as acting "uncool". Constant negative campaigning isn't winning my vote.
peaceful easy feeling @ 39:
Hehe, sorry didn't see that.
CalGeorge @ 40:
Thank you for that,but did they pass?.....
Cal Worthington?
Floridiot @ 45:
Can't happen soon enough.
It looks like Obama has the nomination wrapped up. It will be interesting to see how he handles the Republican attack machine, which will be a hundred times worse than anything Hillary has thrown at him. Of course, the so-called liberal media will begin to tear him apart with the same zeal they used to build him up. His trial by fire has yet to begin.
Republican Poster @ 43:
Yeah right. I wish...
charles @ 35:
This blog post is a good start. Basically Hillary is all for clusterbombing civilians. Wouldn't want to look soft on terror, now.
Republican Poster @ 43:
thanks for the last 8 years,you guys really know how to screw up a country.
Wow, Democrats are so stupid they think "not taking money from lobbyists" is a legislative accomplishment!
And Obama got $100 million from the tooth fairy!
For those who think a black man can't get enough votes because of racism. You are correct that there is a lot of racism but you forget that people are more than willing to overlook a general racism for a specific person who they think can help them or entertains them (think the devotion shown to certain sports figures). And I think enough people now think the country is in bad enough shape that Obama could get votes if people think he can really help.
Much to my amusement I read in Louis Armstrong's journals about how much he HATED white people who would come up to him and say things like "I don't generally like black people, but you're the best!"
So racist people could vote for Obama if they think he can turn the country around.
My advice to Obama: Start using a lot of sports metaphors.
What this shows is.....white men can't accept a woman as president. They are so wrapped up in the idea that MEN ARE THE MASTER RACE they can't show that a man CAN support a strong woman, or they weren't much of a man in the first place. PERIOD.
Ozymandias @ 31:
Obama's vote has been the same as Hillary....his non-vote when he was a State Senator does not count.....the pressure on everybody was huge and while I was disappointed with all Dems who voted for the AUMF, wonder what Obama would have done had he had a similiar decision.......My main disagreement with Obama is his Health Care proposal, I don't feel he is committed to Universal Health Care...also hsi "working together with the other side"....do anyone rweally believe that or is that code for "I'll give in"
Republican Poster @ 53:
Hot dang! The sun must've hit the cave just right this morning. You trollz are up early!
I'm white I jumped.
porkchop @ 42:
Whether it's Obama or Hillary on the ticket, keep in mind the mere historic nature of this election will bring people out in droves. Democratic Party operatives who are salivating over the specter of a low Republican turnout will have some surprises in store come November.
Marge @ 55:
Watch what happens when I rephrase your post to reflect people who don't vote for Obama:
What this shows is.....whites can't accept a black man as president. They are so wrapped up in the idea that WHITES ARE THE MASTER RACE they can't show that a white person CAN support a strong black man, or they weren't much of a white person in the first place. PERIOD.
Do you see how ugly that type of thinking is?
mudshark @ 52:
Lol its true, if a black man or a woman wins the presidency it'll be because a republican prez & congress screwed up so bad even klansmen are willing to vote dem.
please notice the troll up there and her technique. Insults,more and more insults.That's all they know, condescending insulting behavior. That's why they're gonna lose this Nov.People are tired of their behavior.
mudshark @ 47:
YES - Honest Leadership and Open Government Act - introduced by Reid
NO - Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act
NO - Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act
NO - Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act
Gee, I wonder why so few in Congress wants to join him in this effort?
Mudshark:
"thanks for the last 8 years,you guys really know how to screw up a country"
You guys know how to sit on the sidelines, whine and stamp your feet, and vote for whatever it is you're whining about.
Democrats hate accomplishment. Look how the Obama cult bashes the Clintons, because they failed to hand them their socialist dream. At least the Clintons know how to do something - win elections by any means possible. But you guys hate that. You hate accomplishment. It's too messy for your utopian visions. You'd rather pin your "hope" on beautiful losers.
After Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, you come up with a guy who cries "yes, we can?" No, you can't, and he hasn't, ever. Nobody even knows how many delegates Obama has. You can't even run a primary system that makes sense. You guys want to run the country?
Marge @ 55:
You'd be right if you were able to show that HRC is unarguably the better of the two candidates. Considering the number of women who have also voted for Obama I think you'd have hard time doing that.
What your post shows, by your logic is that You can't accept a black man as president. You are so wrapped up in the idea that WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE MASTER RACE you can't show that a white person CAN support a strong black man, or you weren't much of an open-minded person in the first place. PERIOD.
CalGeorge @ 63:
so he hasn't introduced a single bill that has passed?
Obama all the way!
Obama = the first progressive president.
Republican Poster @ 64:
Rush, is that you? Sean? Michael?
AshWilliams @ 46:
An inspirational President is great. But Inspiration is only an add-on. Most Obama voters are voting him almost solely because of his charisma.
And it is questionable of "acting uncool" is a major flaw in a president or if substance is more valuable.
I have nothing against Obama (because I do not know him and doubt anybody knows him). He might become a great president. But the Obama voters are bugging the hell out of me because of the reasons they vote for him.
The Democrats had plenty of great Hillary contenders: Edwards, Richardson, Biden, maybe (though not electable) even Kucinich. Every one of them would have been voted for because of his past actions or because of their platform. People are neither voting for Obama because of his platform or his past, but because of his shininess.
seele @ 68:
Uhm...FDR?
Republican Poster @ 64:
Nixon,Reagan,Bush and his nit wit son.you got some balls.
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Republican Poster @ 64:
You had tour chances, you messed thing up bad, now STFU.
I’m a Hillary supporter that will be voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination.
!!!!SORRY!!!
Republican Poster @ 43:
McCain is a Keating 5 crook who's been in DC forever, and has only enriched himself and his buddies.
If you send the same people back to Washington just to sit in different chairs, nothing will happen, as your better candidate once said correctly.
Senator Mccain will be crying in his soiled granny diapers, begging for a wipe, once this thing is all over.
Mudshark:
"you got some balls"
Revealing that you say that like it's a bad thing, isn't it?
Republican Poster @ 76:
it helps to be right.nevermind,I can see that went over your head.have a nice day.
The Great Unified Political Football Field
lopaloo102
"If you send the same people back to Washington just to sit in different chairs...."
No, there's only one chair. The one you guys so seldom seem interested in capturing.
Ron @ 74:
'06 ring a bell?
Mike Meyer @ 70:
Ah, gotchya. Yeah I tend to agree to a point.
And it's a shame Edwards isn't here still.
Republican Poster @ 64:
This election won't be decided by republicans or democrats.....
the independents will decide.
and no independent will vote for a man who's had his nose up bush's ass for 8 years, and has been squirrelling and squandering away money in DC for the last 30, barely avoiding getting booted out of the senate in the Keating 5 scandal.
Independents will flush this idiot.
Seems race has little to do with it after all. All those mindless pundits without a clue...
Speaking from an independent perspective, Obama will win over moderate republicans and independents and take those away from McCain whereas Hillary will have moderate democrats and repulicans and independents voting against her and not necessarily for McCain. I have no party loyalty (niether party speaks for me - they both have it wrong) and will vote for Obama over McCain but I will vote against Hillary.
Mike Meyer @ 32:
Not really, hillary represents the status quo for many of us but would be a major upgrade from our current President. With Obama not only will it HELP bridge a crevasse among our racial divide he will present a new, articulate, thoughtful image abroad.
Thsi is a chance in a lifetime.
Clinton's problem is she is pisses people off, she is too pointedly sharp. If she had taken notes from Bill she would swept this thing but she can't escape who she is.
I'd rather have Clinton as the nominee but I'm looking forward to seeing the Democratic candidacy resolved ASAP and it looks very much like Obama will be it. And if he gets to be President instead of Hillary it won't do any good for Clinton supporters such as myself to then start complaining about how , if Hillary had won, issue x or issue would have been handled "better" by her rather than Obama. The Oval Office can change a candidate and much also depends on the Congress. The sooner the Dem nomination is decided, the sooner we can turn our attention to the congressional races, reduce the Republicans and exchange the blue dogs for more progressive representatives and delver the next Demoncratic president with a House and Senate that has the strength in numbers, brains and commitment to pull this country out of the ditch it's in.
Well, its nice to see the trolls coming over here, trying to make us feel bad. They must not be feeling to well, considering they have a guy who will be running on, more war, more tax cuts for the rich, more corp tax breaks and more waterboarding. McBain will run on his senate record, and congress's poll ratings are lower then bushes. Wow! no wonder the trolls aren't feeling to well this morning. A wave is comming, and you don't want to be in front of it.
lopaloo102
"the independents will decide"
Yes, and independents will be treated to a man who has decades of legislative experience, sponored major bi-partisan legislation, and repeatedly bucked the party for the good of the party against....Yes, we can! Yes, we can!
And now, we are patching up our differences to stand behind our strongest candidate, while you are in a bitter fight that will end in your nominating the weakest.
Say it again: Yes, we can! We believe in hope! We are hope! Hope R Us!
diamondmc:
"They must not be feeling to well"
I'm having a grand time, thank you.
We'll return to Survivor Presidential Edition after word from Exxon Mobil.
Republican Poster @ 87:
LOL. Keep believing it sparky. They are going to sell McCain as a Bush third term and its going to be damn easy to do. McCain is going to be another Bob Dole.
Republican Poster @ 87:
"treated" like in the sentence: The populace was "treated" to a shit sandwich.
LOLz I like the part about the "patching up differences"... bwahahahaha
Republican Poster@8: I hope you like drowning.
Don Davis @ 1:
Why? Because Mr. "I'm going to be slaughtered in the campaign because my big corporate contributors are sitting this one out, because they know the GOP can't win, so the cost/benefit analysis says don't spend money in vain, let's use if for useful things like golf boondoggles and buying off Congress" McCain can't possible out raise him in campaign funding?
Is THAT why? Amazing how all of a sudden the GOP gets religion about campaign finance reform, limited spending and budgets when they're gonna get their heads handed to them.
Next week. Hillary and Obama eat live worms in the Fear Factor Test.
I learned all my racist words when I lived in Chicago in the late 70's. Still, I think of Chicago as the most racially polarized, most racist town I have ever lived in. After Jane Bern, the mayor was Harold Washington. I suggest you all listen to the A"this American Life" program about his tenure as Mayor. Yes, I would imagine that many of the whites in Chicago are still entirely comfortable calling Blacks the same word we all know but few of us use. And if asked today about Harold Washington, most of them would probably vote for him if they hadn't destroyed him 20 years ago. I think they would still use the N word to describe him but they'd vote for him. Remember, In the north I don't matter how high you get, just don't get too close. That is racism northern style. So, I am afraid you have to reconsider the people you have taken for Granted for the last 40 years Democrats. Obama knows this, the idiots in clinton's campaign are still using the losers strategy from Johnson's administration. When Johnson signed the voting rights act he said, I may have lost the south for the Democrats for the next 40 years. Times up.
Republican Poster @ 87:
Washington is broken and corrupt.
Decades of experience in a broken and corrupt system doesn't count for much to those who vote on issues rather than party affiliation. Character and integrity trump experience, especially the kind of experience that denigrates character and eviscerates integrity.
There is no bitter fight within the democratic party, the clinton run is done, and she'll realize that on march 4, and she'll concede.
I pray for you and your party members, and what grave harm they've done to this great country, to our great citizenry, in only 8 years.
May god have mercy on your souls.
I hope McCain continues with the public fund nonsense. Lets drag his sweetheart deal with that bank that essentially said that if he loses he'll take public financing but if he wins he's not obligated too. Lets see how Mr. Straight Talk explains that one.
L.A. Confidential @ 94:
O'Reilly and Kristol disappear the same day... coincidence?
Who will face the fearsome Duke McCain in the battle of the Century.
Stay tuned for coming attractions.
pissed off patricia @ 15:
You better check and make sure it wasn't just another missile aimed at that satellite...Hahahaha.....say, what happens when they miss? I mean, the whole world knows just how inaccurate these missiles really are, and yet, nobody asks that question.
Republican Poster @ 88:
So tell us the great accomplishments your party has given America these last 7 years besides tax breaks for the rich, Wars and a divided country?
I mean really how can anyone at this time in our short history support Republicans other than a drooling idiot?
L.A. Confidential @ 94:
I thought next week they were on American Idol........damn!! I so wanted to hear Paula Abdul try to talk while stoned again!!
Republican Poster @ 43:
Thanx to George Dumbya Booooosh, the GOP wont even SEE the Oval Office until your grandchildren's great-grandchildren have grandchildren.
bobswire @ 83:
I am not a US citizen and from abroad. If Obama is elected president I will think of the Obama voters as much as I thought of the Bush 2000 (not 2004) voters. Voting for Obama is playing russian roulette: You don't know him. Sure, he is obviously incredibly smarter than Bush. But he may have other flaws (maybe the way he will collaborate with the republicans and fails with that) that can ruin his presidency.
The Clinton campaign has it upside-down: it is not a problem that Obama has no experience, but it is a HUGE problem that the electorate has no experience with him.
I wish Hillary would be a man about it and concede. She got her clock cleaned fair and square.
It's time we moved to the real task...burying the GOP, humiliating John McCain, and riding GWBush out of Washington on a rail.
L.A. Confidential @ 99:
OH......they are booked for the upcoming American Gladiator with Hulk Hogan!!!
AshWilliams @ 98:
Bravo!
vrk
"They are going to sell McCain as a Bush third term and its going to be damn easy to do"
How so. Iraq? Billary and Pouty Boy won't say when they're getting out, but it's damn sure they aren't committed. Pit that against someone who has credibility and commitment. If you wanted to - finally - stand up on the "immediate withdrawal" idea, you might have a fight on your hands. But, instead it's going to be a debate between someone who wants to stay and is committed to American interests and someone who reluctantly wants to stay, and won't say for how long. Can you say: "Another Democratic candidate weak on national defense?"
Obama has nothing on McCain on campaign finance. Clinton - we won't even go there.
People aren't going to be real thrilled, once again, with socialized health care. It polls well, until you get to brass tacks. I would think you guys would learn that the seventh or eighth time around.
Taxes? Most people are pretty thrilled with their rebate checks. Tax breaks are always a winner. Most people don't have a class warfare mentality, and will accept their due gladly, without counting the pennies the other guy gets.
ConcernedCanuck @ 100:
They brought the Shuttle home early because knowing how accurate and competent we are we'd probably hit the Shuttle instead of that Spy Satellite loaded with Plutonium fuel.
Mike Meyer @ 104:
Hence, the "change" slogan. What he isn't is he does not represent the status quo of corporate lobby greed. He isn't entrenched in the media amid speculation of the latest investigation. I think that in a nutshell is why the popularity.
ConcernedCanuck @ 102:
Thats coming up. Hillary's going to perform You light up my life and Obama is going to perform Papa's got a brand new bag.
Chico @ 103:
Or in 4 years, whichever comes first. The electorate as a whole have a really short memory.
Republican Poster @ 43:
McCain's toast. Even if there is another attack right before the election, whether it's in England again, Spain or China, people will unite and vote for change with even greater passion and conviction (a conviction that McCain and Bush got EVERYTHING wrong whereas Obama is the positive candidate of optimistic tomorrow without wars, fear, anti-Americanism and terror... the Uniter of the United States).
Also, there will be McCain's mother talking bigoted, racist crap as was the case during a rare interview that both John and his Mom gave together. Let's have more of it please! How about a one-on-one between the wives? Let's here the arguments of a priviladged white woman from the south lecturing a black woman who's done a lot of darn good things in the unique country with plenty of flaws and injustices that historically has made everything harder for a black woman like that.
How about John McCain's f*****g dismissive smirk he demonstrates all the time during debates and speeches (when people like Ron Paul or Huckabee talk) as if he knew so much more about everything, particularly Islamo-nazi-communo-fascism and everyone else, including "his friends" knew absolutely nothing. All he has proven lately was his knowledge of how to f**k up an independent country with Bush and his gang to later promise that 100 years may not be enough to stay in former Persia and kill anything that moves and some.
Geez. It may appear that there will be two choices, but as I look at the sky, each and every star out there indicates that there will be only one, and rightly so.
ConcernedCanuck @ 102:
Hahaha. I think I like your Gladiator idea better though. I'd like to see both run the Eliminator.
Then we'll see who gets my vote.
jonathan @ 95:
I'm from Chicago too, I'm a witness to everything you said about northern racism in Chicago. Trust me, Obama's battle tested, he's ready.... just wait and watch.
Republican Poster @ 108:
If Repugnicants hate taxes so much, why didn't they get rid of ALL taxes when they held power in ALL THREE branches of gooberment for all those years ????
L.A. Confidential @ 109:
Yes, but the accuracy of the missiles, they better get that shuttle underground fast!!! I can see the headlines now...."Hawaii Gone As Missile Misses"
AshWilliams @ 114:
On the Left is Princess Hillary with the Truncheon and on the Right We Have Obama with the Crusher Stick.
Be there!
L.A. Confidential @ 111:
I thought Hill was going to sing Born To Be Prez........and Obama was going to sing Start Me Up!!...They keep changin' the damn schedule...How is Simon going to criticize????
ConcernedCanuck @ 117:
Yes, but the accuracy of the missiles, they better get that shuttle underground fast!!! I can see the headlines now...."Hawaii Gone As Missile Misses"
No doubt if they manage a direct hit the Pentagon will jack us up for another $70 Trillion. And the Dems will kind a sort approve it.
ConcernedCanuck @ 112:
Normally, that would be true. But these are unprecedented times. It all started after the 2004 stolen elections, America became FED UP. Then came the 2006 elections where we got a small taste of the coming tsunami. Look at the massive turnouts for the Democratic primaries recently. This will carry straight thru to November and well beyond.
George Bush, the greatest gift the Democratic Party has ever had.... AND, he just keeps on giving !
Mike Meyer @ 104:
Wikipedia
Start with this:Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he spent most of his childhood in Honolulu, Hawaii. From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. After an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003.
The following year, while still an Illinois state legislator, Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.[4] He was elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.[5] As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he co-sponsored bipartisan legislation for controlling conventional weapons and for promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.
Since announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama has emphasized ending the Iraq War while maintaining a strong defense abroad, increasing energy independence, and providing universal health care as major priorities.[6] He married in 1992 and has two daughters. He has written two bestselling books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics.[7]
In other words he represents the American Ideal and worked hard to become what he is today, quite apart from Bush who you compare him to.
Bush has proven to be a failure at any endeavor he has undertaken on his own.
Life's a gamble, no sure things. I'm betting on Obama.
ConcernedCanuck @ 119:
It's OK, he'll have plenty of opportunity with McCain's "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran"
Ok, guys. It's been fun.
Ya'll go out and vote yourself a big helping of that "change."
I have a job, and can't spend my time a-hoping and a-dreaming and a-prayiing for my Messiah to take the Presidency. My Messiah has come, and I don't make politics my religion, like you do.
MSNBC seems sort of hung up on the race breadkdown of the Democratic promaries in Wisconsin. It begs the question, "What is the race breakdown in the Republican races?" 99.99% white? How do Republicans spin 20,000 at Obabma's rally v. the 300 at McCain's?
L.A. Confidential @ 120:
No doubt if they manage a direct hit the Pentagon will jack us up for another $70 Trillion. And the Dems will kind a sort approve it.
If they miss and hit, oh I don't know, say the Pentagon, will they blame BinHidin again? Will there be another AlKeeeeeeeda tape accepting blame?
Chico @ 121:
I'd be a little weary of your predictions. Clinton kind of gave away Congress so it can happen again.
Chico @ 116:
'Cause then the oil companies would have actually had to pay for the war themselves.
Moral Compass @ 125:
That's easy. Obama had the biggest draw at the rally cuz illegal immigrants mistakenly thought he was one of their own, and McCant's supporters couldn't turn out because there was a Bingo game at the nursing home.
Marge @ 55:
Another ridiculous comment from Marge. Big surprise. I believe the fact that all gourps of voters EXCEPT white women support Obama or are moving toward Obama shows that he is the better candidate, and that white women are voting for Clinton simply because she is one of them. I really don't think many progressives give a shit about the gender of the president. I hope to see a female president in my lifetime, just as I hope to see a black president in my lifetime. Each would be an equal display of actual progress in this country. I support Obama because he is the better candidate plain and simple. I trust him more. I believe he is less likely to betray my liberal values. And I think he is a more principled candidate that can lead this country out of the political abyss we have been mired in for my entire 27 years on this planet.
Fil @ 28:
Enlighten me, why is that? In and of themselves, there's nothing wrong with trade agreements. The problems arise when they are seemingly designed–as in the case of NAFTA–to export certain types of jobs (blue collar, labor intensive primarily) out of the country. There's no reason, especially since the desire to do so is plainly obvious, that it cannot be altered to penalize companies that export jobs to foreign countries, support retraining, environmental standards, etc.
Let's keep in mind that the job loss and so forth that everyone seems to lay at the doorstep of 'globalization' is a misnomer in that job losses, home foreclosures, etc aren't accidents of the marketplace, but the result of deliberate designs by those in power to put our economy in a certain position.
If this is in any doubt notice how vociferously we defend things like intellectual property rights (which can, arguably, stifle innovation) and copyright laws overseas while doing relatively little to maintain and protect blue collar jobs.
Hehe, no one said goodbye to the troll.
I wish text could convey tone. I'd pull a Randy Marsh "Seee ya".
Marge @ 55:
Oh ya, that would be it. Has nothing to do with the crappy campaign she's run, has it? Has nothing to do with her Republican style negativity since the beginning of January, does it? Nope you are right. Men hates women, and apparently so do women because female voters outnumber male voters. Where they at? Why they not supportin' Hill?
Marge @ 55:
If you want to argue that the system is rigged against women...as it is against minorities (Obama not withstanding, although he hasn't won the election yet), you might actually get some support for your argument.
Screaming sexism, however, is so 1980s.
Republican Poster @ 124:
CC:
Dont compare what's happened in the past with what we are witnessing today.
No one has ever stood on line to vote in a PRIMARY .... until THIS year.
Something strange is going on in America, and the GOP is getting miiiighty nervous.
bobswire @ 122:
I am familiar with the information that is available of Barack Obama on the net. I read all C&L articles, watch US TV on youtube, etc and I did not compare BO with GWB, but I think the reasons people are voting for Obama are quite similar to the reasons people have voted for Bush 43 in 2000. OK, the main difference is that the main flaw with Bush (dumbness) was known before November 2000. But still, you are really, really scaring me. The problem with this gamble is that the US congress isn't really willing to impeach a sitting president because of desastrous performance (only because of partisanship - Clinton 42).
Mike Meyer @ 137:
They expect something for nothing.
AshWilliams @ 132:
Not a 'troll', just someone who has a different opinion, that's all.
Seriously, if any candidate other than Hillary Clinton had lost 10 straight contests by double-digits, then the entire world would be forcing them to concede.
I'll give Hillary the respect to campaign to March 4th, but if she can't put up one convincing win that day, then she should lexit the race to at least save her legacy. She will not be able to make up the delegate lead after March 4th if the race is close so her only hope will be superdelegates or Obama falling on his face. Superdelegates going for her will destroy the Democratic Party for the next 20 years. Obama falling on his face is unlikely as he's run one of the most competent and innovative campaigns in U.S. History.
Has Obama accomplish anything in the senate?......Anybody?.....
***CRICKET****CRICKET*****CRICKET***
Can you imagine coming into the Oval Office in 09 knowing that there are no capital reserves left, the nation is $20 trillion in debt, $53 trillion in worthless IOU's, all of the capital marketplaces are teetering, and the nation is bleeding red ink at the rate of $1.43 billion per day?
Yes We Can
Travis @ 60:
Ugly, yes, but can you not deny that there is a bit of realism there? I would have worded it differently perhaps, but one glance at our history affirms it.
Never mind the office of President. Many whites cannot accept people of color–especially those with the audacity to speak their minds and don't tow the line–as Senators or Congresspersons.
Tweety action
Texas State Senator Kirk Watson (D-TX) learned a lesson in preparedness Tuesday night when he was humiliated on MSNBC. Watson was on to talk about his support of Senator Obama alongside Representative Stephanie Tubbs (D-OH), who backs Senator Clinton. Watson has endorsed Obama and writes glowingly of all the things Obama will do for the country, if elected.
But he was unable to answer Chris Matthews most basic demand: "Name some of his legislative accomplishments... name any..." A fantastically awkward mix of dead air, stuttering, laughter and repetition ensued, as Watson could not name a single one. Matthews laid off part way through, it seems at the demand of his producers, but came back around to lay a final blow at the end.
L.A. Confidential @ 143:
Hahahaha........I saw that...what an idiot...Obama has introduced more legislation in his so far short political career, than Hillary by a huge margin...Dems must really be slappin' themselves in the forehead after allowing this dude on the media.
ConcernedCanuck @ 144:
Oh yeah Legislation.
I agree that there are many powerful forces in this country (and the lobbyists for another foreign country we all know) that will never allow Obama to win. Ever ever ever ever ever.The stakes are too high. Their supporters are all crapping in their pants because they see the support for this foreign country waning unless something is done about him, and they are ruthless.That's why we have a system which will take care of this: Diebold, the superdelegates are both systems that will eradicate this irritant to their schemes. They don't care if Obama is the better candidate --and he is-- but the safety of this other country is more important. They will also use intercepted phone calls to blackmail if necessary.
Mister Anderson @ 140:
Of course Obama is leading Clinton. But the 20 straight wins have been mostly in small states. It isn't the number of states someone has won, but the number of pledged delegates (i.e. mostly votes) what counts.
And in pledged delegates Obama isn't leading as much as "10 straight contests by double-digits" would suggest. If the lead would be so wide, you wouldn't call for a concession of HRC, as she would have already been marginalised.
The superdelegates were supposed to be there "in case something goes wrong". One could argue that something has gone wrong: republicans have been voting for Obama and it is unclear if those will vote for Obama instead of McCain. One could get rid of the superdelegates, but then it would also have to be made sure that only democrats are determining the democratic nominee.
Finnigan @ 130:
Not all white women. I think if you look at it closer you will see that older white women somewhere around 40+ are voting for her. Younger women, like my 33 year old wife, and younger voters are voting for Obama because they look at the candidate not at their race or gender. Hillary has too many negatives and Obama seems to be more positive in general that is why he is getting more votes.
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