Oops! He Did It Again: McCain Confuses Iran/al Qaeda Link In Speech Marking 5th Anniversary of Iraqi Invasion
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Mar 18, 2008 12:40pmSen. John McCain has done it again.
For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday.
This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:
"Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."
On Tuesday, the senator, appearing in Israel, made a nearly identical assertion that al-Qaeda was leaving Iraq to retool and regroup in Iran.
So what is it? Is Mr. "National Security Over Radical Extremists Trumps Everything" not smart enough to actually know what's going on or is it a series of senior moments? Either way, it doesn't reflect well on him. Max Bergmann doesn't think it's a gaffe:
Many in the media seem willing to dismiss McCain's statement that Iran is training Al Qaeda as a simple slip of the tongue. This is wrong. McCain did NOT misspeak. If he had simply made the statement once, he could perhaps expect to be given a pass.
But he didn't just say Iran was training Al Qaeda once. He said it in his initial statement (watch it here). He was then asked about it in a follow up question where he repeated it. It is not a simple slip of the tongue if when challenged on the "slip" you then REPEAT IT. [He also repeated it on Hugh Hewitt's radio show]
That is not a gaffe. That is called believing something that isn't true. It is called being confused. And being confused about the differences between Shia and Sunni when claiming that you should be elected president of the United States on your foreign policy knowledge and experience, is simply not okay.
Actually, Max, many in the media don't even think it's worth mentioning. Maybe because they're worried about losing an invitation to the next barbeque. Since Lieberman was able to help him tell Shi'a from Shinola (love that phrasing!) yesterday, Blue Texan wants to know if McCain will have Holy Joe next to him at 3am?
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Go ahead America, give this nutty fuck keys to the nuclear arsenal. I swear this old goof will make us miss Dubyah.
STOP LOSS!
Scary is Muslim black UCC church, I tho't - how do you expect us to keep track of which is scarier?
/Mcstain
Whah? You now need brains to get elected?
I thought that was Iraq/Al Qaeda connections?
Oh wait, that was disproven by the 9-11 Committee.
The old man is just itching to bomb Iran.
Since when has he or any other Republican been able to accurately distinguish between Iranians, Iraqis, Persians, Arabs, an insurgent, a nationalist rebel, a disgruntled Sunni or Shia, or Al Qaeda. Anyone that resists America's foreign policy is just "al Qaeda" now in their minds.
Wow...he's really senile...kinda sad, almost...but damn sure, he should remove himself from the campaign.
This is very funny Bush is officially off the deep end.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7305023.stm
Was this made during his taxpayer paid campaign swing through Iraq?
He IS like Reagan, only his dementia has started before instead of after his election. Please noooooo
McCain is pushing the propaganda. Question is why? Another war -- this time Iran?
Notice how Republicans always hide behind Foreign Policy.
He's just having a senior moment, at age 71 and he wants to be your President at ages 72-76
Gumby69 @ 8:
This is funny how, exactly? This is infuriating! Not funny!
I can't remember which cable channel it was this morning but the reporter was traveling with McCain and she said she asked him about his goof up. She said he became a little upset with her for asking him about it.
That's so typical of elderly people. If they make a mistake, they get all crabby when it's mentioned.
Of course Lieberman will be there with him at three in the morning. Aren't they connected at the hip?
Don't know about the rest of you, but killer ribs go a long way for me.
4 racks baby back ribs (get them from the butcher, not the shelf)
1 jar McCormick Rubbed Dalmatian Sage
4 tbsp salt
4 tbsp paprika
4 tbsp onion powder
4 tbsp garlic powder
4 tbsp black pepper
4 tbsp dried rosemary
Good olive oil
Light the fire
Soak some wood chips overnight--my favorite is mesquite, but hickory works well also
Charcoal grilling is the only way to go--light the briquette pyramid and wait until you have a lot more white than black
Spread the coals evenly across the bottom, moving the hotter ones out to the sides
Throw in the wood chips, close cover and check temperature--over 200 F is too hot
Make the ribs
Mix all dry ingredients to make the rub
Rub the ribs down with olive oil on both sides
Pack the rub on heavily on top, lightly on bottom
Put 'em on in the center of the rack and let 'em cook--4 hours minimum, 8 hours maximum
Serves 4-6
Saucing ribs like this is a crime, so I'm not going to help with that.
Can I haz Prezident now?
Red, Blue, Green, White, whatever.....it's ALL Al Qaeda.
We need to come to terms with this.
grandpa is really confused.
he's just got to get that IRAN boogey-man out there...
progagating and catapulting the progaganda...
BOO!
Well at least when McCain starts the war agaisnt Iran he can always just claim
A) he meant to send them to Iraq
B) was going after al-quaida
C) he meant to bomb Syria and he'll get to that as soon as somebody helps him find where it is
It was no mistake. He is intentianlly trying to draw the link in the public's mind now for his invasion later. Never mind that a fundamentalist Sunni group would kill a bunch of Shiites before bunking down and training with them. The only mistake here was Holy Joe trying to prove how smart he is and screwing up the propaganda pitch.
Come on folks, we need to pull together behind the eventual Dem nominee, whether your pick wins or not. Otherwise we get stuck with this batshit warmonger.
Remember, the brain dead and not-caring citizens in this country that support the lies and bullshit of the current monkey-in-power are going to give this old fart a pass for anything he says, whether it's a "slip of the tongue", a "senior moment", or in ingrained belief by this idiot. They WILL support him. He is their repug candidate, and that's got to be better than any "librul" that is going to ruin their make-believe country.
This guy is dangerous. The baboons that support him are just as dangerous. This is really a political war, and it's us against them. "Them" don't give a shit what happens to this country. They will support their "tax breaks" and corporate profits no matter what the cost. "Them" are going to support a repug/necon/Nazi no matter what, cause they don't want no stinkin' librul in there to ruin this perfectly happy mystical universe they live in.
We are a nation of idiots. Not all...but go figure 48%...that's scary enough for me.
So explain this (just out):
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!
I caught a tidbit from CNN while I was at the bank about an hour ago. Petraius (sp?) was saying that Al Qaida IS being trained in Iran. I hope C&L will track this part of the story.
So is his BFF LIEberman going to be around at all times to fill McBush in on the proper way to spin a story or is this bozo going to solo it?
Just humor him. It won't be long before he starts telling us about how when he was 12 and he and his friends were playing with a mule...
When Alzheimer's really kicks in, you can get some of the most interesting stories out of people from his generation.
America will be real lucky to survive till November let alone 5 minutes of a MC Cain admin.
Im sticking to my " no election" prediction. The NEOscum arent about to let go and be frogmarched off to the Hague for war crimes.Id like to see BushCo making a running and fighting retreat for nearest airport ( protected by Blackwater) to bug out to Paraquay with gun toting mobs on their heels. Does everyone know that Jeb Bushes wife is sister of COO of Blackwater ?
I know I shouldn't be shocked with republican constituents anymore, but I still can't believe people would even consider voting for a dolt like McConfoozled. The man has lost it.
Weaseldog @ 26:
That's because it's just like yesterday to them.
pissed off patricia @ 15:
I heard that on MSNBC. Then Mika called it something like a little oopsie. Yeah, real cute.
Either McCain is seriously incompetent, senile or deliberatly making shit up. But I guess its all three combined.
YourMom @ 23:
Polls are bullshit; Zogby is among the worst for accuracy.
YourMom @ 23:
Be nice. Its crunch time on American Idol. Nothing to see here.
When you're Elmer Fudd McCain, all your enemies look like kwazey wabbits.
who says he confusing? he is beating the phony enemy war drums that they always have. Sadly, it has worked and probably will continue to work for the press and his audience
goat hussein sage @ 25:
Yes LIEberman will always be with McShitStain, especially at 3 am! *snark off*
YourMom @ 23:
I don't trust polls that are that asinine. It's just impossible that they could be trailing that senile old coot. Impossible....
[creeping feeling of dread crawls up Bonkers' spine]
The Dow and Nasdaq down over 1% right now.
Time to cut those interest rates again.
Pretty soon the government will be sending out those 0% until you pay off your balance credit card notices.
Sigh @ 21:
QFT. This was not a "senior moment," folks, because we all know his speechwriters and talking-point writers aren't a deluded as we're being told he is.
This is FEARMONGERING and SABER RATTLING. Nothing less.
Chalking it up to "he doesn't know the difference" is tacit acceptance of what he's saying, no better than the mainstream media's stubborn refusal to acknowledge his mis-statements.
I think McCain is a terrible threat to our country and I think his spoken statements prove as much.
That said, the way the press release is stated I don't believe the mistake has been repeated in writing - "Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated" - here at least someone has made a distinction between Al Qaeda and Siha extremists rather than lumping them together as he did in his speeches.
Mc Cain as Elmer Fudd
" Be vewy vewy vewy qwiet. Wes is shooting brown peoples for Zionists."
Whether he's senile or just ignorant, that just makes him the perfect Republican candidate. Look back at the last few Republicans to hold the office. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I lean toward thinking that Republicans care far less about intelligence and education than they do about public image. Reagan is a testament to the power of image making as a figure who has taken on mythic qualities.
That being said, I can also see that McCain's words don't necessarily reflect his belief that Iran is supporting al Qaeda specifically. The intent of the words may have been that al Qaeda is present and a force to be reckoned with, as are the extremist factions, which are benefiting from Iran's support. In other words, though the grammatical construction of the words supports the interpretation that he believes Iran is supporting both groups, he may very well have intended the former meaning.
In truth I think this is more of the same Republican tactic that has played out for many years: If you say something enough--whether directly or indirectly--then the public will believe it, no matter how preposterous. And if you say it enough, you'll probably begin to believe it yourself.
It looks like McCain's going to need to have Lieberman pulling his strings for the rest of his run. Maybe he should just start sitting on his lap.
McCain has made several comments regarding Iran. His "gaffes" were NO MISTAKE. He is trying to muddy the waters and keep Iran in his cross hairs. That will leave the door open to his taking up the war cry from Bush and going after Iran.
This guy is extremely dangerous and it is up to the people to continually bombard (no pun intended) the MSM with information about McCain and what they are not including in their reports.
We must remind them that a BBQ is not a pass on the facts.
We must be relentless.
No gaffe, no confusion. McCain is making the case for attacking Iran and he knows the best way to do that is to equate it with al Qaedaland. Lieberman corrected him because he missed that day of disinformation school and didn't get the memo.
See The Big Picture @ 39:
Ok...I can dig it...still no way he's getting the WH...
Dr. Acula @ 32:
I agree, Zobgy's not very reliable.
Something to keep in mind; the election is still eight months away (lord, help us) and at the rate things are going there will be well over 4000 American soldiers dead in Iraq, $4 a gallon or more for gas, key interest rates will be slashed, foreclosures will escalate, consumer prices will rise more and Americans are going to reject the Republican brand no matter who is running against McBush.
Mc100yearwar is making herr dubyah look intelligent.
Gumby69 @ 8:
Same old playbook and nothings going to change with McCain.
McCain is more of the same of Bush...
Obama inflicts wounds on innocent people;
Geraldine Ferraro: Obama is successful because he's a black man, as I was successful because I'm a woman.
The "racist" part Obamabushies picked up on...well, here you go:
" In winning the Democratic Senate primary in Illinois, Obama drew as many as two white votes for every black one, showing nearly unprecedented crossover appeal for a black candidate in a statewide race.
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race.
If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
It's funny when confronted with hypocrisy, and the real deal on racial perceptions Obamabushies get all hot. But Obama's rehashing of reality to save his campaign, instead of 20 years ago when he had a chance, did exactly that: rehashed what all of us already know; where's the "unity" though? The solution? This is the equivalent of saying "hey, my pastor says bad things, but they don't rub off, so even though I'm tainted, I'm the only one who can be a uniter."
Say bye-bye to that "republicans" will vote for Obama.
"cigar chomping cracker"
HEY! I'm a stereotype!
Thanks Pastor WRight!
"...America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory"
Only Wiley Coyote can "stand on a precipice," and then only until he looks down.
Mc"WhatCountryAreWeInJoe?" is having problems with his McDemented mind. It's very hard to be McLogistical, when McSenility is setting in rapidly. In four years, win or lose, he will be sitting in his rocking chair, beating nursing home staff with his cane screaming "I AM the president dammit!" at every opportunity.
One final word for 2B or not:
McICan'tBelieveAmericansAreGoingToVoteForThisSorrySackOfMonkeyShitKnowingHeDoesn'tHaveControlOfHisFacultiesSinceVietnam!!!
I agree with Margaret and anyone else who is making the point that this is NO mistake, and NO gaffe. It is a scripted talking point, so perfectly similar to those used by Cheney/Bush et al during the run-up to the Iraqi invasion that it makes me wonder at the credulity of 'alternative journalists' who are supposed to be on the lookout for this kind of thing.
I think we are heading into the abyss. If this man gets elected were doomed. He surrounds himself with Lieberman and Graham (A terrifing thought!) Pray Americans, pray.
Three times is not a mistake, it's a strategy. He WANTS people to believe the lie, and if he says it enough, maybe they will.
Same as Bush, different liar.
DOW down 170 points!
Ray has it right: What we are seeing is the first results of Rove's influence on McCain's campaign. He is just applying the well-worn Rovian dogma that says repeating a lie often and loudly enough eventually gets a lot of people to believe it.
It has worked very well so far for Bush and Cheney.
P.D. @ 55:
There is no free market in this system. It’s all manipulated, pushed & pulled in all sorts of ways in order to achieve its objectives, which is to protect the investor class.
P.D. @ 55:
The rich American Elite seem to be taking "Take the money and run" seriously.
I see now, why Obama is willing to piss on Bill Clinton's, a fellow democrat's work, and throw "white people" who are leaders under the bus:
"3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.
Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.
11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
"...if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society."
Positive, sunny, and light...except when you read the last defining prism through which everything else is viewed...America is purely a racist competitive society, and you must never forget that...
This handicaps the church before it even begins. [Hey Josh....you're being off topic will win you no friends..you've been warned....Site Monitor]
Nice pic of McCain Nicole. Is he constipated, dodging bullets, or just so confused he doesn't know where he is?
I saw it with my own eyes last night. When this came up, the bimbo on CNN- possibly Campbell Brown- dismissed it as "not a major gaffe" or something like that. With a laugh.
Joe, Did you say Rove? That man is omnipresent. Where ever there is fear and loathing you can find Karl. That man is like a bad rash. I just wish he would do us a favor a disappear.
Josh @ 59:
Bill Clinton's work? uh, ok.........so what you are saying is that Bill Clinton is/was "blacker" than Obama? I don't follow your logic here.
Air Force One with the turn signal on for 4 years.
Why the Republicans will vote for McCain. They proved that they could with a lot of money get a retard voted in as president, now they want to prove for the second time that they can get a senile old man elected president.
the real reason to leave Iraq
This should be thrown in the face of all Republicans, that say they will follow us home. And here is the reason they fight us, and destroyed the twin towers. Here is a site for the Koran http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
4.90] who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
nick @ 64:
And a flashing sign for geese.........."Go Around"
So, Josh, why are you hijacking this thread? It's about McBush, not Obama. Take it elsewhere, maybe Free Republic, they might enjoy your ramblings quite a bit.
"But, but, but...what I meant to say was..." http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/19/mccain-modifies-his-al-qaeda-in-iran...
It might be best for McCain to just officially hand his nomination to Lieberman now and get it over with. Obviously Lieberman is the puppetmaster here (recall him whispering in McCain's ear the other day after three misstatements in a row?).
Now I'm beginning to see why the MSM keeps referring to McCain as the "presumptive" nominee...
I feel quite certain that at this very moment Republicans in high places are pondering how to undo this disaster in the making....
Out of three hundred million Americans this is the best we could drum up??
McConfused, Chillery and Rev. Wright Obama.
Five years of what seems an endless quagmire in Iraq and our economy in the toilet....
Suddenly a Jesse Ventura/Ron Paul run sounds very interesting....
There's three reasons for these statements
1) permanently confused
2) minor (and repeated) slip up
3) purposeful Al Qaeda/Iran misleading connection (since all bad guys work together).
I say McBane is on #3 at the moment.
The poor thing clearly has onset Alzheimer's. While I understand Republicans like having senile men lead them, for his own good he needs to be placed in a home immediately.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 58:
Time for the taxpayer to inject more funds, so the profit taking can continue.
comsympinko @ 16:
Nopers! With a rib recipe like that...maybe Sec. of Education...no sauce, NO WH for you! Come back, ONE year!
goat hussein sage @ 46:
Keep your eye on Diebold. That's the scariest part.
ConcernedHusseinCanuck @ 66:
LMMFAO!!!! Flying at 300mph in the 650mph zone...
You know how an argument (mostly in a courtroom, at least on TV) you make a ridiculous statement just to float it out there? Like you are appealing to something you know will resonate with certain people? It's almost like playing the race card, you know there is nothing to it but you know that it will create the kind of perspective most people want to avoid in making a rational decision based on the facts at hand. I don't think Grandpa Simpson McCain is really Grandpa Simpson. It's almost too good to be true. Unfortunately the only people who skewer him for this are the good people on this web site and others like it. The media will draw attention to it again where the objection will be sustained by the media (ughhh, are they really our judge?) but it will now be noted. He don't mind if he looks dumb, the base he is trying to work with at the present will consider it a possibility, even if Jasper Lieberman is right there to correct him.
Ron @ 74:
Well, Diebold is a scary part, for sure...IF there are elections.
Look at the sentence. It is carefully worded to let those who want to believe Al Queda works with Iran continue to beliveve that, but gives him a loophole of denial if he needs it.
this is the kinda lawyer trick these arses are always up to!
nick @ 64:
That's a classic! If I could, I would give you a whole box of candy to reward you for that comment.
Don't forget Herr Mitt is still floating around out there somewhere!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 75:
Maybe he'll just replace Air Force One with a Mercury Grand Marquis or a Buick Roadmaster.
nick @ 64:
BWAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Of course, the treasure was going directly to his buddies. Who cares about the blood?
YourMom @ 23:
Maybe it's a momentary glitch? There's time until the election. [I hope.]
If McCain is saying this on purpose or if he's confused, either way, it's frightening.
That sentence is carefully constructed so it sounds exactly like what McCain said yesterday, but is arguably correct because of the imprecise modifier (with support from external powers such as Iran) which could be said to only be describing "Shia extremists." In other words, like Patricia said, McCain is a cranky old bastard who will never admit he is wrong, and is writing this carefully so he can say that's what he meant all along.
He sounds exactly like my old man.
Old Billy Hussein @ 83:
So let me get this straight: We invaded Iraq to [reason #1,305,950] stop al Qaeda, which didn't exist in Iraq until after we invaded. But now we've got to invade Iran, because of al Qaeda, which doesn't exist in Iran either. And anyway, Iran is Shi'a and al Qaeda is Sunni. But the Saudis, who are Sunni, have been pouring lots of money into supporting al Qaeda, but the Saudis are our allies against Iran, who are our enemies. Even though we empowered Iran by invading Iraq.
Old Billy Hussein @ 81:
Oooo NICE! Or one of those Caddy Sevilles with that stupid lookin trunk...you remember those....
Leslie @ 87:
Leslie, why muddy the waters with facts?
McCain isn't confused, he is doing this on purpose, so that the one-tooth bubba redneck bigots that were Bush's base to start the war with will support the McCain/Hagee plan to invade Iran in order to see if Jeebuz comes boack to genocide everyone on earth that isn't a froot-loop like themselves, c'mon people, we are talking about a Texas Preacher here, and that says it all. Regardless, this shit worked before with the radical right wing zombie dittoheads, it'll work again, because if they think it'll make Jeebuz come back to kill everyone in the world, then, they have to support that because that's their religion.
Religion is a mental disease caused by a defective gene sequence that goes back at least two million years, neandrethal had religious tendancies as well as humans, this means that it has to go back at least to a common ancestor. It's only a matter of time before we isolate the defective gene sequence, and can finally cure the mental disease known as RELIGION! The DISEASE known as religion has killed billions, and wants to kill everyone on Earth (well, that's the Christian plan), finding a cure for this brain defect should be a National Security priority.
Leslie @ 87:
It's a religious war. The Oil Corporations Worship the Almighty Oil God.
EnderW @ 90:
Who looks at McCain and shouts, "God Wants It!"?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 88:
Ick. Yes. Hard to forget.
http://www.libertysoftware.be/cml/trivia/sevillehist/81sevil.jpg
Any American who casts a vote for McCain should have to immediately sign their child up for the armed forces.
Yesterday I explained McCain's error(s) to my 85.5 year old mom. I drew a picture of 5 of the identified groups participating on the ground in Iraq. I drew arrows from 'IRAN' to the two main groups that Iran is supplying. "Al-Quaida" was off to the side. My mom got it. Mom for president (after her hair appointments and soap operas).
Did it ever occur to you that McCain is doing it on purpose,just as Bush and his gang did hooking up Al Quaida,Saddam,aluminun tubes of mass destruction,mobile missile thingees,weapons of mass destruction,and on and on....He wants to go to war with Iran.He,like Bush will say anything to advance the cause.And if he keeps saying it enough,the press and 70% of FOX News audience will believe it .And all of a sudden we`re bombing Iran, and those of us who want peace will be slandered and ostracized,and we will have the answer to global warming--nuclear winter.
This is so painful that McCain still does not know who the enemy is in Iraq.....and media is not asking him how he could make such statements as a presidential candidate?
Old Billy Hussein @ 93:
GAAAH! My EYES!!!!
I live in a (very) red state and from what I hear around me, a majority WILL vote republican because of the same old issues (lies) - gun control, family values (= religion), taxes (democrats will raise them) and supporting the troops (= supporting the war). They will vote for whoever the Republican is - it's not about personality, honesty etc.
On specifics: They don't like HRC because 1) "she's a bitch" and 2) she's already had her 8 years in the white house. They don't trust Obama because "he's a muslim" or he is black (they don't use that word, either).
They do not know that George Bush lies. They do not know anything about Dick Cheney. Wives will vote the same way as their husbands, even if they think their husband is wrong.
Some of these people are not stupid, but they won't admit they were wrong to vote for Bush/Cheney. THAT would make them feel stupid. They hear selective information. They believe FOX News is "fair and balanced". Better to believe that their guy McCain or whoever will continue the same policy to a successful conclusion than to admit they were wrong in 2004. If he says Iran is a threat and FOX reports it, it must be true.
YourMom @ 23:
Are you an American too? Whats wrong with you?
Maybe this is not a gaffe or a misunderstanding but planting a falsehood in the public consciousness. Muddying the waters. If enough of the population hears this repeated, even as it's later retracted on the television and radio equivalent of page A29, they will repeat it to each other, and believe it, and vote for the One Man Brave Enough To Protect Us From This Imaginary Threat.
Remember Rice/Cheney repeating "mushroom cloud" just over five years ago?
Of course he's doing it on purpose.
http://www.nysun.com/article/46032
YourMom @ 99:
Same here. And when I express my thoughts on all that you mentioned, they look at me like I just come up from hell with my head on fire...any point of view differing from theirs is unpatriotic, godless, and evil...though there are a few that have come to see what BushCo is up to...not all who voted for Bush are idiots...
pissed off patricia @ 85:
Bush was 'confused' whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (who coined that term anyway? It's way too broad for my liking. Also it never seems to apply toward the United States, which has more weapons of mass destruction than anyone), at least after it was learned that they existed in the same way as Bush's military service.
Like many here have already said, this sounds like McCain flying a trial balloon. Expect to here it time and again, till that line that separates truth from fiction grows fuzzy and unclear.
Which is to be expected of people who, at their hearts, think so little of themselves and their abilities that they will dominate everyone and anyone in their quest of an all-compassing 'security'.
I'm thinkin' McCain is becoming more and more like Grandpa Fred. He's just phoning in his candidacy. I don't think he cares. He'll pander to anyone, say anything, no matter how contradictory or hypocritical it is. I just can't but feeling that at the Republican National Convention there will be a coup to replace McCain as the nominee with someone the neocons will spooge all over themselves for.
Would you be more or less likely to vote for someone who could not remember his name? They have fabricated so many spooks to scare us with they are lost without a scorecard--we get to tend the rabbits george--- holy mary mother of sod--help us
McCain should be looking to be McHamburger Server at McDonalds, instead of McPresident. What a McShit-for-Brains McDouche-bag.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR200704...
These two websites as well as the NYSun article provide evidence that Iran has been providing aid to our enemies in Iraq. I hardly think this is a ridiculous assertion or a gaffe by Senator McCain. Out of 103 comments only one person has mentioned that this charge has been leveled against Iran for over a year. He isn't having a "senior moment", he is stating the simple fact that Al-Qaeda is being assisted by some of our other enemies in the region.
These lying scumbags have told so many lies for their war for the profits of the military industrial complex, they have started believing the lies.
Dear Senator McCain,
Please stop saying that my country (Iran!) is training al Qaida terrorists and sending them back to Iraq. It is embarrassing to us, because al Qaida are one of our many mortal enemies, and your statements are confusing people. They ask me, "Mahmoud, is it true that we love al Qaida?" and then I must tell them, "No! They are Sunni! They are evil! We are Shiia! We must kill all Sunni infidel dogs!"
One would think they would know this by now, but people do tend to forget unless constantly reminded of whom they should hate.
Here is a list that, Allah willing, will help you.
We (Iranians) hate:
-Sunnis (including al Qaida!)
-Jews
-Homosexuals (not that we have any)
-Blacks
-Americans (Death to...well, you know)
-Jimmy Carter (ditto on the Death thing)
-Women who show their ankles
-George Bush (both)
-Saudis (but don't tell them!)
The list is longer, but I do not wish to burden you with more things to remember.
Sincerely,
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The "Little Big Man" of Iran (see, I make Hollywood joke!)
PS: As a little favor to me, could you send a few thousand American flags? We seem to have run out. -M.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/captured_documents_s...
here is the other website and you can find an additional perspective at hotair.com.
Paul @ 107:
John McCain is a great American who fought for The United States long before most of us were born. Show a little respect
the above picture of mclame is just right
he looks a lot like curley or joe of the three stooges!!!
McSame says: """“Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated.”"""
===>>They will never be defeated. On the run-- or elusive??? The "extremists" are a movement against America and it's "interests" (illegal intervention, etc., and for being ASSHOLES, in general), and knows no boundaries. It is across the Middle East (planet), but not "affiliated" with any one country. To view this conflict, contained by national borders, is SIMPLY WRONG. Those lines on the map (borders) mean naught. These "extremists" will always exist and be unbeatable, until America changes its foreign policy, becomes more conciliatory, and enters into real diplomacy. (Doesn't look good from where I stand, either.)
RadicallyModerate @ 111:
John McCain is a disgraced and corrupted senator. He's been taking bribes from lobbyists for years....ever hear of the Keating 5?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/28/amid_mccains_new_s...
I am very greatful and respectful of his service.
But I owe it to my country, the country he served, to call a corrupt politician when i see one....
McCain is dangerous to the country; he has betrayed everything that his service stood for.
May god have mercy on his adulterous soul...
Jimbo92107 & sigh says Great posts laughed so hard my bong came out my nose keep it up CEO
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 14:
I find joy in misery. "Satan laughing spreads his wings"
It's not a mistake. It's a talking point. My idiot right wing associates are already parroting "bomb Iran to defeat al Qaeda" lies.
McCain knows what he's doing. He is chanting "burn the witch" and the mob is responding. Excuse it as a "senior moment" at your peril.
wow
Did anyone see MSNBC's alleged Political Analyst (GOP) Joe Watkins this afternoon? He was on with Margie Omero, talking about McCain's senility (I mean minor mistake) about Al Qaeda and Iran. Besides being rude and obnoxious, and typically unwilling to let the other side finish a sentence (in true Morning Joe fashion), he referred to Joe Lieberman as McCain's Democratic ally. Apparently this moron hasn't found out yet that Lieberman left the Democratic party over 4 months ago.
comsympinko @ 16:
You've got my vote!
Leslie @ 87:
goat hussein sage @ 46:
ysbaddaden @ 5:
Ysbadden) What's even more ridiculous is that Sunni extremists like Bin Laden and his motley crew would have (BL's been dead probably for years now) hated Shi'ites' guts. Bin Laden, when alive, would have thought less of Shias than Jack Chick thinks of Roman Catholics....
Dr. Acula) I personally hope like hell this party gets itself together. McPapen's got until November to rebuild the cracks he's caused in the Republican party. The Democrats are gonna have a brokered convention for the first time in decades. Unfortunately, this is one first we don't need, not when the RW noise machine is already starting full-blast on Obama...
Old Billy Hussein) Not only empowered them, but handed to them regional hegemony. That, IMHO, is a good thing. Israel hasn't done that well of a job with it. Iran's empowerment upon Saddam's removal didn't take a genius to figure out, particularly since he was the only real counterbalance between the Jews and Persians.
He thinks it is funny he was FOURTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS CLASS. ARE WE READY FOR ANOTHER C STUDENT?
nick @ 64:
At 35 MPH.
¨No, John, listen to me AGAIN: It was Vietnam that held you as a POW, not IRAN. Remember?¨
Stupid McCain. Just you wait until Obama secures the nomination before he summons a lighting strike from the sky to fry your old ass.
Dear Senator McCain,
Dude. Please shut up. You are becoming an embarrassment. We've already had almost 8 years worth of that and our image really cannot take much more. Many of your countrymen are drinking heavily and having thoughts of suicide as a result of being governed by idiots. And these people aren't even Democrats - they are the moderate Republicans.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Sincerely,
The American People
Come on you can't hold the McDittles (as in dittling Vicki Iseman) responsible isn't McWARHERO a thousand years old now? How can he keep it all strait he is an old guy dittling young women all the time he isn't a super hero just an old rich white guy trying to have as many brown people killed as he can before he follows them to hell.
Can't have another totally BRAINLESS Reslug. president that doesn't know his ASS from a hole in the ground.
Limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 128:
this makes Clinton praise of this fools experience all the more wretched....
Obama's got a good point....if experience is all that matters, McCain has them both beat....
The next President of the United States. With Joe LIEberman at his side.
It could happen.
ohio progressive I appreciate the respectful way you stated your comments and the fact that you provided evidence to support your claim. However I would like to see more evidence than just a 20 year old scandal with which he had a minimal (while still inappropriate) level of involvement. I am not doubting your credibility but I am asking for more recent examples of corrupt behavior.
appears that mcNuts is as dumb as bush.....
Opps I did it again,
My foots in my mouth
I made a faux pas,
It's not a big deal
oh voter voters
look I got me a shill
his names Liebermann
whispers in my ear
believes I'm the real deal
but I'm not that intelligent.....
Apologies to (cough, gag sputter poo...) Britney.........heheh JD
Joe Assholeborough along with Mike Murphy (2 pathetic GOP tools and toads) were on David Gregory's shitty new MSNBC show , excusing McSenile's "one" slip up.
What a crock of shit and a joke ; and to make matters worse , Assholeborough then claimed it was because the senile old fuckwad hadn't slept in 48 hours.......Aren't there 72 hours in a 3-day period ?
RadicallyModerate @ 131:
Look into EADS and the air tanker deal. I'll try to find a link.
The Iran-Al Qaeda link makes no sense given the outright support Iran gives Al Maliki and Al Sadr. If Sunni insurgency groups are getting Iranian weapons, I'd bet they are buying them on the black market with Saudi dollars.
EADS link. There's more on this story, but that's a start.
With Lieberman at his right hand all the time, McCain is preparing to bomb Iran if Bush doesn't get it done, something Lieberman really wants to have happen. McCain, the straight talker, knows what he's saying. He intends to confuse issues.
Please forgive me if this has already been said ... but C&L seems to have gone a little too far again.
The quote attributed to McCain is "Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated." Another way to read this is - Shia extremists are getting support from Iran, Al Qaeda is getting support from external powers like Iran. Alternatively, the phrase "with support ... such as Iran" may only have been intended to apply to Shia extremists, rather than to Al Qaeda.
Either way, this is not a sufficiently clear example of doublespeak or lying to make it newsworthy. We're better off attacking GOP politicians for their unambiguous statements. Those are usually plenty bad enough ....
cando @ 137:
These two are dangerous. I'm serious.
McCain could hold a press conference and use the N-word fifty times, or pull a toddlers head off with his bare hands at that conference and he would still receive 48% of the vote. I no longer think Obama will win because I overestimated the fairness and thoughtfulness of Americans. If Obama loses, this outcome will destroy the Democratic party. There is so much at stake in November.
This should be huge! We are assuming McCain knows something about the Middle East or Central Asia. I far as I know he knows 'Nam and nothing else. If white male Gen Xers and super young baby boomers vote for McCain, we deserve what we get.
I did audio for an interview in 2003 with Peter Jennings and John McCain. I was sitting right there when Jennings asked McCain if he was going to run for President in 2008. McCain responded, "No, the American people deserve a President that is younger and has more energy."
Now, He does reserve the right to change his mind, but it's curious that this footage has not yet seen the light of day. I was right there and heard it with my own ears. ABC still has this I'm sure.
Sigh @ 21:
No doubt it was a cold calculation on McCain's part to reinforce the myths that Iran is is supporting Al Queda in Iraq, and that Al Queda and Iran are the root of all the problems in Iraq.
Nothing but lies from McCain on the order of Cheyney's about Al Queda being tied to Saddam Hussein and 9/11, WMD's, etc. There remain large percentages of Americans who still believe WMD's were found in Iraq and that Sadam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11. Heck, most Americans likely believe that we're actually fighting Al Queda in Iraq, as opposed to AL queda being such a very small percentageof the insurgency (2% -5%?). Cheyney, Bush and the Administrations' propaganda has proved very effective in snookering the sheeple - McCain learned from the best.
Bob Roberts @ 138:
McCain lied repeatedly the recent days about Iran - Al Qaeda and was even corrected publically. Still even with a full day to correct himself, knowing full well Al Qaeda and Iran is not connected, he still decided to give a very ambigous written statement again specifically mentioning Iran in connection with Al Qaeda.
Sure it can be read as Iran supporting Shia extremists and other powers supporting Al Qaida. But why mention Al Qaida at all and then immediately bring up Iran and in a written statement?
This was deliberate way of connecting Al Qaeda to Iran not with facts but through words and lies. Exactly like Bush did with Iraq 5 years ago.
Let's face it, McPain is suffering from senile dementia. He is too old to be president.
He may be a bit corn-fused about who is doing what to whom, but make no mistake for this bunch all roads lead to war with Iran
Dr. Acula @ 32:
Care to backup your claim with some factual evidence about Zogby?
I understand that there are no "operational ties" between Barack Obama and Hiliary Clinton either.
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