Chuck Todd admits media gave McCain a pass over Iran/al-Qaeda gaffe and would have attacked the Dems
By John Amato Saturday Mar 22, 2008 2:00pm
On Meet the Press this morning, NBC's Chuck Todd got honest and told us what we already know, but what the media rarely likes to confess. McCain has a lot in the bank with the media and they will help him out of his problems. You're all aware of McCain's linking al-Qaeda to Iran all last week---which is not happening because of the Sunni/Shia difference. He had to get bailed out by his Lieberman posse and his FOX friend Britt Hume, but the real story given to us by Chuck Todd is that the media would have attacked either of the two Democratic nominees for days on end over the same gaffe.
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Todd: He's got enough of that in the bank, at least with the media, that he can get away with it. I mean, the irony to this is had either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama misspoke like that, it'd have been on a running loop, and it would become a, a big problem for a couple of days for them.
He's got enough in the bank so he can get away with it, but the Dems need to have fear of the media's running loop. Here you have it folks. When McCain makes a HUGE blunder on the one issue he tells America he's qualified to run on: foreign policy, the media shrugs it off, but if a Democratic candidate had made the same mistake it would have been headlines for days. You could assume that Lieberman would then have been booked on teevee 24/7 ---yelling into the cameras that they are incompetents on the very serious issue of foreign policy instead of whispering sweet answers in McCain's ear to correct him. Get used to this treatment from the media. It's sickening...
MR. RUSSERT: And then, then Lindsey Graham, who he was with, and then Joe Lieberman both tried to say to him, al-Qaeda is Sunni, not trained by the Shiite Iranian government. Does that kind of stumble hurt a McCain candidacy?
MR. TODD: Well, what's odd about the, the stumble is that it--is it a stumble or was it, or was it that this talking point that he'd been, that he'd been using for actually a couple weeks or over a week, where he was talking about sort of almost blurring that the, the enemy of al-Qaeda and the enemy of the, the Shia-trained Iranians and sort of blurring them as one enemy. And the, the question is, did he just sort of--he truncated it to the point where he ended up misspeaking. The, the problem, of course, McCain has is that he can't, you know, he doesn't want to make it so that he, he forgot it for a minute. You know, he's--because of the age issue, he can't ever look like he's having a senior moment. So instead, he's better off going ahead and saying, you know, OK, so he misspoke. Even if he gets dinged on the experience stuff, "Oh, he says he's Mr. Experience. Doesn't he know the difference between this stuff?" He's got enough of that in the bank, at least with the media, that he can get away with it. I mean, the irony to this is had either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama misspoke like that, it'd have been on a running loop, and it would become a, a big problem for a couple of days for them.
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Hell, this latest free-pass from the MSM for McCain is nothing compared to enabling him to resurrect his primary campaign from the dead. How appropriate for Easter!
Anyone have anything on Russert's reaction, body language, etc., to this gaffe? (Gaffe in the sense of unintentional truth-telling.)
i wonder if the media would feel comfortable if mccain had a senior moment if there was another cuban missle type of crisis?
Over the past two days, the fawning American media has provided rave reviews of John McCain's visit to France. While the New York Times lauded "McCain's soothing tones," Time gushed about "McCain's Paris romance" and the transformation of Franco-American relations made possible by his warm embrace of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. But lost in these accounts is John McCain's vitriolic France-bashing in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Back in 2003, John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with the Paris-hating purveyors of "freedom fries" and "old Europe."
For the details, see:
"Fawning Media Ignore McCain's Past France-Bashing."
This is how the MSM runs us now? Openly admitting the Repub bias that gives our beloved country, & is so willing to give in the future, the worthless, horseshit federal governance we have right now?
Aux barricades, mes amis...
So now can we expect the media going to give Hillary a free pass to this?! Outrageous!
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Hillary_s_Campaign_Ending_Sniper_Fire_...
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BBQ anyone?
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I'm so sick of this darned librul media.
Arrow @ 6:
I registered with digg just to vote for that. Its obscene what Hillary is getting away with here on that story. As awful as McCain's gaffe was, compared to Hillary's lie here, its nothing. Such a whopper would have ended Obama's campaign, but I guess people are fine with Hillary "padding her resume" with outright lies?
Does Obama have to play in the muck and yell about this to get any coverage on it at all?
oopsie....senior moment.... did i say "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb IRAN???" i meant... IRAQ...
hey... is it too late to call the bombers back.... i mean... do they have a short wave radio or something....
can we get a DO_OVER out here.... somebody call them MUSLIMs and tell them to duck...
Of course, the corporate media want a third term for Mcbushie and here is a glimpse of the future from Bartcop.
"I would eat this up like cake."
-- GOP hatchetman Rick Wilson, who did the 2002 Cleland-Osama morph ads,
talking about what the GOP will do with Obama-Wright connection.
"It’s harder for people to say it’s taken out of context because these are Wright’s own words.
You let people draw their own conclusions. You don’t have to say that he’s unpatriotic; you don’t
question his patriotism. Because I guaran-damn-tee you that, with that footage, you don’t have to."
-- Chris LaCivita, GOP hatchetman who helped craft the Swift Boat commercials against Kerry
Yes, they're going to make Obama "the most radical Muslim" to ever step foot in America,
but there's no need to worry because the voters are smart - right?"
Um, Americans elected w twice and they will never elect Obama's 20 year relationship with his God damn America spiritual kook.
I'm trying to figure out why McCain is on a World Victory Tour like he is already Prez. Who does that in the middle of a campaign? Very weird.
But then Todd gave McCain a pass on his fabrication, and the media a pass on ingoring the fabrication, and threw in a new excuse for McCain to use:
TODD: "Well what’s odd about that stumble. Is it a stumble or was it this talking point that he’d been using for actually a couple weeks or over a week where he was talking about almost blurring the enemy of Al Qaeda and the enemy of the Shia trained Iranians and sort of blurring them as one enemy. The question is – he truncated it to the point where he ended up misspeaking.
McCain wasn't "blurring" anything--he categorically stated THREE times that Iran was training AQI people in Ran and then sending them back to Iraq! UTTER FABRICATION!
And then Dodd invents an excuse--McCain's gotten so used to saying something that he accidentally left out some words!
DODD is part of the problem.
Chuck Todd is at least honest - he admits that the media is in the bag for McCain.
It is an Imperial war, it is Imperial media. It is government of, by, and for the corporations.
The challenge is to inform the vast majority of people wherein lies their interests.
To the extent that they succeed, the Democrats take the election.
The interests of the vast majority are not with the Republicans and not with any Democrat willing to endorse one on TV.
Obama is the real deal, and never mind what he looks like.
Can you imagine how Dems would have been attacked making the same "gaffe" over & over & over again? They'd be crucified.
Instead, McCain's gaffes are laughed out, downplayed and written of jokingly as a "senior moment" by his media lackeys. What's scary is it probably is a "senior moment" and that’s not something they should be laughing at.
It should terrify them.
Thanks for looking at it honestly, Chuck.
I am not sure i have a problem with Obama's appearance. Has he grown horns?
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 17:
I'll be happy to have a president who doesn't sound like he's drooling when he speaks.
thejoshuablog @ 16:
again, you think so huh? apparently not if its Hillary, who repeated multiple times last week the story about her being under sniper fire in Bosnia
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Hillary_s_Campaign_Ending_Sniper_Fire_...
the story and video proving she lied is about to become the very top digged story after only hitting the popular list hours ago.
At this rate we are going to have one MEDIA owned by one guy under one company.
BIG BROTHER
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
Fed a daily diet of crap, spin, lies, and meaningless nonsense delivered by Lacquer headed SUITS and Blonde Bimbos.
The media gave Barak apass for months so I'm not getting bent about this..
According to the polls blah blah blah blah.
You know, this is why I don't listen to the mainstream media. If I do turn on a television news channel I usually leave the volume down or totally off. I simply do not care what those pundits have to say about any issue. I learned that valuable lesson real quick when I used to listen to economic pundits. I learned years ago that if I want to know something about a particular issue I am going to have to find out about it on my own because the media will tell me exactly what they want me to know and skew it towards their particular view or agenda. In a way, the media is no different than a stock pump and dump except they do it with politicians.
Ive said for years that the mainstream media is anti Democratic Party.
Don't take my word for it, just observe for yourselves and compare republican coverage with right wing representation and pundits with Democratic coverage with left wing representation.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
That about sums it up.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 17:
Be sure that you have no problem.
If you watch much of the Corporate Media (my television has been unplugged in the corner for years) you may think he has grown horns. They mean for you to think it.
chris @ 22:
And the pass was???
To be fair to Chuck...or Todd...or...whatever. He never has been secretive about being one sided. it's almost as if he didn't like it...but they paid him enough money to sell out his morals...but he still has a conscience...that gets bought off with each paycheck.
everybody knows money trumps honor! (in most cases)
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 17:
No typical god fearing wing nut fear mongering fox news types "reaction-logic" figures since Obama didn't draw a pistol and shoot his pastor dead, he must agree with what the pastor said.
motorfingaz @ 28:
Never questioned his background or policies the way they are now, well they are still not questioning his policies.....
And Yet... @ 5:
*Dick Cheney* "SO?"
"get used to it"? - done. What mystifies me is that having said that, that Mccain gets a pass and the Dems would get hammered - tomorrow that big fat living pharmacy Rush Limbaugh will go on the air again and start talking about the "liberal, 'drive by'" media. I'm not mystified by the fact that the Pillsbury Doughboy will still talk about it, i'm mystified because people will still take that living-tumor seriously.
I can see it all now in the McInsane Whitehouse.
The Alarm goes off on McIsanes bedside clock at three AM for his morning pee.
He here's the ringing and thinks RED PHONE
then he pushes the button and the "nuculurs" start flying.
But we shouldn't get excited, "it's just a senior moment."
Joe O. @ 26:
By the way, you forgot to mention the media's continuous use of bright and blinking lights along with a wide array of graphics, charts and the like to feed their crap to the masses. Just think "shiney things, stupid people like shiney things so we have to put up a lot of lights!" because that is the way the media thinks about us.
The time is ripe for alternative media, such as blogs, social networking, etc., etc. to be a bold challenge to the techno fascist agenda of the corporate media giants. The discrediting phase has passed now things will get nasty as bastards start to notice the dings in their market share. Huzzah! Crooks and Liars, Huzzah! Firedoglake Huzzah Daily Kos! Huzzah to the countless others out there who are fighting this Orwellian nightmare how real Americans should!
L.A. Confidential,
I've read a bit about semiotics. The Nazis were masters of it. Art used for evil.
I would like to see all the networks, when they are discussing an issue of any of the candidates, show in split screen each of the candidates records on the views being expressed. It would be a simple, yet fair way of doing it, provided the network is vetting their statements.
chris @ 31:
Yea, just like no one cares to talk about McCain's economic policies either. Thats good, because he really doesn't have any economic policies (other than simple rhetoric) and has no idea about economics in general. We also won't hear to much about his positions on social issues and for good reason. His social policies really piss off the Christian right.
That damn liberal media bias is giving the senile old man a free pass.
Joe O. @ 35:
Yup. And don't forget media's continuous bombardment of boobs, babes, sex, and the encouragement of the most out of control, inconsiderate and mindless behavior no one in their right mind would engage in.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 34:
sorry, that should read "hears" not here's
it's the booze talking
This should be used as an attack twofer by Obama. He should point out that McCain is either clueless or deliberately misleading, and then cite Todd's admission and accuse the media of a double standard. The "endless loop" quote is perfect, because it calls them on the whole Wright drumbeat. What's wrong with attacking the giant Wurlitzer?
It is clear the mainstream media is only too happy to give BOTH Barack Obama and John McCain any and every pass they can summon up at a given moment.
The only people who have NEVER gotten a pass and won't this time either are "the Clintons".
Even on this same program, the pundits spent 15 minutes blasting Bill Clinton for saying he looks forward to a general election where two people who love their country can debate the issues without getting sidetracked by all this extraneous junk.
Clinton was, according to the Clinton-bashing pundits, most certainly taking the low road again to suggest that Barack Obama doesn't love his country. Really? There was no evidence that he wasn't talking about any two of the candidates in the running now....as he as done countless times before in this campaign.
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What is this "Bank" they talk about?
Is it the same one that bush had his Political Capital in?
sharkcellar @ 37:
If you look closely at this administration and its minions the only rational conclusion you can come to is that they studied Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and George Orwell very, very carefully.
Max-Hussein-1 @ 7:
now thats reality !feed the god damned news whores!!!!!!!!!!!!
weazl @ 45:
well said, this is two days in the row C&L have called out other news organizations for their reporting, but they are too scared to report on the Bosnia Hillary story...
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 46:
Yes, propped up by the media the way Bear Sterns was propped up by the Fed.
Hillary releases her daily logs from her time as first lady and the MSM shows the video of Bill hugging Monica wearing that stupid-ass beret. I've seen that footage almost as many times as the planes slamming into the buidlings which GWB failed to prevent.
Give the old dude some slack, he was allegorizing.
It’s Me Says...blah blah blah...extraneous junk.
Extraneous junk like...
Obama isn't a Muslim as far as I know
Plagiarism
McCain and Clinton are experienced and Obama has a speech from 02
States that don't vote for Hillary don't count
Lots of media speculation when Bill C watched the superbowl with Richardson which turns out Richardsons support for Obama is no big deal except HRC's camp calls him Judas
Lying about her support of NAFTA
Lying about Bosnia
The list goes on. Are these the distractions Bill was talking about?
Arrow @ 6:
chris @ 22:
THe worst part about it is she defamed Sinbad.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_takes_the_high_road...
When did this pass expire? Oh yeah, right after he started winning and showed someone could actually beat Hillary>
Yeah the American corporate media is a problem that isn't going away.
Janet Hussein @ 53:
An even bigger distraction might be in the answer to the question that won't get answered: "How does a couple go from being $2 million in debt when they left the White house in 2001 to an estimated net worth of $50 million in only seven years?"
Bill Young @ 56:
And i suppose all these statements never led to a change in him? You are suggesting he wrote a book about disliking, distrusting and hating white people on his way to running for President and never came to the conclusion that his early feelings changed?
Bill Young @ 56:
What is it exactly that you take away from these quotes?
Rico @ 57:
Well, we can start with speaker fees. Ex Presidents make a lot of money just talking.
Senators make damned good money.
Obama in the first debate said he would call the president of canada. Canada has no president. They have been under parliamentary system for 140 years. Was that a senior moment?
Obama said 10,000 people died in a tornado in kansas last year. Was that a senior moment?
Hillary remembers running for cover and how there was no greeting at the airport. Instead she was greeted at the airport by a 8 year old girl. Was that a senior moment?
Hillary said Musharraf was on the ballot after the bhutto assasination? Was that a senior moment?
When you talk about media bias McCain was on no sleep for over a week. Last week he kept flying back and forth to vote, fundraisers, events, flying around the midlle east.
Obama said he was tired when he slipped up on the 10,000 deaths in the tornado. McCain was tired. This happened 5 days ago and yet it was disscussed on every morning show today.
No Hillary videos on the morning shows of her lies or senior moment about the bosnia trip.
Hillary is allowed to lie that she was never for the war. When she is on tape on March 5, 2003 to anti war activists saying she is for the invasion and never talking about inspectors. She was for the war for years after that.
If she can't remember doesn't that make it a senior moment.
Hillary Rodham Clinton would be the oldest democratic president in the last 150 years. She is well past her prime. If we are going to get on McCain about age studies show she isn't as sharp as she was twenty years ago either. Until recently they made pilots retire at her age.
AMEN!
Hillary has a laundry list of CRIMES that have not been exposed. Who is Peter Paul? What did she know about Mena?
And scandals: What is here relationship with Huma Abedin?
And you think that a couple of quotes in past tense during a man's formative years is going to sink him?
Get real.
Stop trying to pretend that this black menace is going to take over the country and slit everyone's throat. The overtones of your post really are quite disgusting.
Bill Young @ 56:
ConcernedCanuck @ 12:
He wants to get one more 'around the world' before he kicks, but his staff is chaperoning all the blond milf lobbyisthookers in case he lives til December.
Hi xoites, et al!
;-}
She should have retired after she lost Texas. No argument there. Bill Richardson and Nancy Pelosi are STILL asking her to retire. Somehow she just doesn't get it.
Jason @ 61:
Bill Young @ 56:
If anything I see healthy introspection, real-life experience, as well as hints of growth and mental maturity. Compare that to the arrogant sense of "entitlement" with which Hillary began her campaign, and the frat-boy mentality currently pervasive in the White House and Republican party. It's clear to me now who's the grown-up in the room.
Hi 2b. :)
pinkobait @ 59:
Is a white man married to an asian woman, I see the worst of the racism from whites. I will never understand what it means to be a person of color, but I can see how it affects my wife. If you think your white and not a racist, when is the last time you looked some in the eye without seeing their skin?
McMainstreamMediaLovesThemSomeMcCrazy
Further proof that the media are self-serving ASSHOLES.
I've stopped watching network news. Have you?
Just more proof that the US has a liberal media! It's notable that these days Americans just accept such blatant pro-right-wing bias without caring. Reminder: It hasn't always been this way, only since the Reagan era, and particularly after the rescinding of the Fairness Act in 1987.
What McSame has " in the bank" is what the infotainers have GIVEN him , by parroting the same echo chamber narrative , " the maverick" .." the straight shooter " and ignoring or downplaying his connection to Haggee , caving in on bush's torture policy ; either his "gaffe" or an out right attempt to deceive people about Iran's alleged involvement in Iraq and what great foreign policy expertise does he have , because he knew Iraqis have NEVER rolled over and excepted an occupation NEVER in their history , from the Mongols to the British brutal occupation to Bush's invasion and occupation he has fully supported and for saying he might stay in Iraq for " a hundred years " is an insult to Iraqis and will cost us trillions and a lot of blood .
We don't need McSame's foreign policy " expertise " .
P.S. Somebody needs to research his connection to Rothschild in London and why would the most powerful banking family in Europe , would be supporting this inarticulate war monger . WHAT do they want from HIM and what will he doing in exchange for the vile family that publicly BRAGS , we don't care who rules a country , if we control their money , we control the country .
Obama in the first debate said he would call the president of canada. Canada has no president. They have been under parliamentary system for 140 years. Was that a senior moment?
Obama said 10,000 people died in a tornado in kansas last year. Was that a senior moment?
Hillary remembers running for cover and how there was no greeting at the airport. Instead she was greeted at the airport by a 8 year old girl. Was that a senior moment?
Hillary said Musharraf was on the ballot after the bhutto assasination? Was that a senior moment?
When you talk about media bias McCain was on no sleep for over a week. Last week he kept flying back and forth to vote, fundraisers, events, flying around the midlle east.
Obama said he was tired when he slipped up on the 10,000 deaths in the tornado. McCain was tired. This happened 5 days ago and yet it was disscussed on every morning show today.
No Hillary videos on the morning shows of her lies or senior moment about the bosnia trip.
Hillary is allowed to lie that she was never for the war. When she is on tape on March 5, 2003 to anti war activists saying she is for the invasion and never talking about inspectors. She was for the war for years after that.
If she can’t remember doesn’t that make it a senior moment.
Hillary Rodham Clinton would be the oldest democratic president in the last 150 years. She is well past her prime. If we are going to get on McCain about age studies show she isn’t as sharp as she was twenty years ago either. Until recently they made pilots retire at her age.
You want to talk about bias. The media loves the Clintons. No mention of the photo of Hillary seated next to Wright at the prayer breakfast. No video on the morning shows of her lie or senior moment about the trip to Bosnia.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 68:
Who's that?
The media has already gotten into line behind McCain. Once again, they will take their cue from Rove to Drudge to Fox to CNN to ABCCBSNBC.
The Fourth Estate is a steno pool.
Jason @ 74:
Are YOU having a senior moment Jason? You already posted this same blather above.
Dr Acula @ 70:
LOL!
Hi Dr.Ac
;-}
Hey Proud2b - what's going on?
Hey, P2bH,
Glad you showed up. Did you catch the Brit Hume thread where we ripped the troll "Ted" a new one?
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 52:
Or could he be..................SATAN?!!!
lol, hi BB
;-}
woodguy @ 80:
Not yet...just cruisin' through sayin hi to friends ;-}
McCain is not on some world tour.
McCain has been to Iraq 8 times.
McCain was going to go to the Nato security conference this past february but had to cancel it after Huckabee did better than expected on super tuesday in georgia, tennessee, and alabama.
McCain has gone to Davos almost every year for their annual conference. McCain has gone to the annual Nato security conference every year for the last 20 years.
McCain is the ranking member of the senate armed services committee. The top military leadership is going to testify about Iraq on April 11. It is McCain's obligation to go over before the hearing.
McCain went as part of a congressional delegation from the senate armed services committee. He took no campaign aides with
him. During the trip he wouldn't comment what he would do as president. He would say I am here as a member of congress not as a candidate when asked for his plan for middle east peace.
He even told the french president that our relations will improve no matter who is president. McCain tried his hardest to make it non political.
There are reports that Obama might be making an overseas trip to asia. He was definately going to do this if he had won ohio and texas and his advisors are split now whether to take the trip before Pennsylvania.
Will the same people jumping on McCain for this trip jump on Obama when he goes on his trip.
Dr Acula @ 79:
The ongoing thing, haha ;-}
Jason appears to be having a senior moment because she keeps posting the same rant over and over and over.
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Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 84:
Bahdumbum!
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Cause ya can't eat just one, msmotherfuckers!!
McCain has talked about numerous times in senate hearings how JAM is being trained in Iran.
McCain has gone into details how the different shiite factions are competing for turf in southern Iraq.
McCain has gone over to Iraq 8 times. He has been breifed on all his visits.
McCain's son just came back from serving in Iraq.
Iran does train sunni fighters though. The Telegraph reported they have trained taliban fighters to cause us harm in Afghanistan. They have equipped and trained hamas and islamic jihad fighters who are both sunni groups.
There has also been reporting of Iran letting bin laden's son go free, al saad a top bin laden operative was let go also. Iranian groups have also trained al quida in iraq fighters in Iran.
Iran views the Israel and the U.S as the their ultimate enemies. So they view it as an enemy of my major enemies can be useful.
Dr Acula @ 87:
Hey, I'm a volume shooter. I have to go through a lotta takes to get the 'money shot', and it gets messy sometimes, lol.
;-}
Janet Hussein @ 53:
Yes. Almost ALL of which was junk stoked by the mainstream media in ways designed to reflect poorly on the Clintons.
How many different ways did Hillary Clinton have to answer Steve Croft's question about Obama being a Muslim IN THE NEGATIVE before he finally got her to wonder if he was setting her up for fall because of some new detail he was about to spring on her?
I'd love to see the specific contradictory evidence and quotes from Hillary Clinton that has convinced you to side with the Clinton-bashing mainstream media's vague intimation that she lied about NAFTA and Bosnia.
Jason @ 89:
With all these briefings you'd think he'd be able to get things straight. Apparently the "senior moment" is indeed a reality. Thanks for proving that to us.
tyree @ 48:
tyreeeeee!!!!!!!!
Hi buddy! How's that for feedin' 'em?!!
;-}
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 92:
Dr. Matt! Hi!
Most of my favorite people here, how nice for me ;-}
McHe'salwaysbeenastupidmotherfuckerjustmorepeoplenoticingnow
Most of me is here, but I've been told I'm not all there, so maybe the part of me that's not there is here.
Eh?
It's Me @ 91:
Oh. She or her campaign said these things but the media was supposed to use them to slam Obama and not point out the flaws. Got it.
woodguy @ 95:
LOL!
And on that note, I'm gone. Check with ya'll later...I've got a chicken to choke.
...please leave a massage ;-}
“Last word, freak.” - Melvin Udall
out
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 93:
The McBBQ!!!
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Oops, forgot to mention on the McBBQ:
Reporters don't talk when their mouths are full...
Who knew you could buy the entire MSM with one barbecue of dry rub ribs? I think I could make a counter offer. The McRib is back for a limited time only.
Screw the Big Badass corporate media. They can- and should- be figuratively ripped to shreds at the drop of a hat by any democrat possessing an ounce of self respect. I've made this point for years over at Digby's place. But until they're called out by elected democrats, reflexively and point blank, the abuse will continue. It's up to elected democrats, and certainly not bloggers, to take a (figurative) shotgun to those fat fish in a barrel. Instead, what has happened year-in-and-year-out for the past 28 years? Democrats truckle, and mealy mouth, and apologize their way through interview after interview with those half-witted corporate lickspittles. And on the blue moon occasion when they do challenge those blowhards, the blowhards fold. Because they're arrogant bullies. But you wouldn't know that to watch democrats answer their all too often impertinent questions. And if you think that's an exagerration, explain to me why that Most Holy Roller Reverend Hagee and John McCain aren't joined at the hip in the minds of the American people. A party with a shred of horse sense would have dropped the names of those two every time the Obama-Wright BS was mentioned in their presence during the past few weeks. Instead, at best, they've hemmed and hawed as though Obama has had something to be ashamed of. Until they and they alone wise up, nothing will change.
Janet Hussein @ 96:
So, in fact, you don't have anything other than the spin you've been spoon fed by the Clinton-bashing mainstream media. Got it.
Welcome to America folks, home of the pro-war "liberal" media. It's not McSame they love, it's the fact that McInsane will take us into Iran sooner rather than later and it's more war profits that they love.
"McCain has a lot in the bank with the media"
That about says it all in describing how corrupt our information system has become.
Another reason to migrate away from the MSM if you want real news or commentary.
It's Me @ 102:
Your response is such bs - the Bosnia video speaks for itself and has not been touched by the media today despite spreading through the web like wildfire. go to youtube yourself watch that video and explain to me how it can be taken as anything but a lie.
Perhaps Obama can answer in his own words: From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".
From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"
From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.
From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."
What is it exactly that you take away from these quotes?
I take away that Obama posesses an honesty and realism that is sorely missing in today's public discourse. In confronting his own weaknesses and predjudices, he is identifying what needs to be healed in us all. Do you think a Harvard law graduate did not know what he was writing, and that he did not think these words would be available for review when he eventually sought high office? It is long past time for us all to cut the crap and join reality.
orangutan @ 107:
What is it exactly that you take away from these quotes?
I take away that Obama posesses an honesty and realism that is sorely missing in today's public discourse. In confronting his own weaknesses and predjudices, he is identifying what needs to be healed in us all. Do you think a Harvard law graduate did not know what he was writing, and that he did not think these words would be available for review when he eventually sought high office? It is long past time for us all to cut the crap and join reality.
so did you actually read his book, or did you let someone like Taylor Marsh take them out of context for you?
deang @ 72:
Now that’s ironic. Speaking of irony. Remember how ironic it was when Bush was talking about how romantic it must be to fight in the front lines of the Afghan war? And remember the irony of McCain’s welcome in France while he puts the screws to Boeing and awards Airbus with a US military contract? In honor of these events I would like to kill two birds with one stone. Here’s to romance and the French:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuPBgt5PxWM
Basically it's fuck America and the people that live in it. Whatever he has in the bank I hope it's work covering up for a senile old man who doesn't care or realize he is incompetent and could in following 8 years of stupidity might just spell the end
weazl @ 63:
Oh please, will you get off the conspiracy theory train regarding Senator Clinton? Smear, smear, smear. Innuendo, innuendo, innuendo. That's all you Senator Obama supporters are good for.
Liberal media, no, Corporate Media. They are in business to sell you a product.
The product is not information per se, rather the appearance of information.
More Bill Moyers (beware high audio level)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ6RCwPgH58&feature=user
We are a cultural dedicated to consumerism.
Consumer bots.
motorfingaz @ 28:
Well, they have been giviing McInsane one for years, and it looks like they are doing everything they can, not to have us look at the man behind the curtain.
Hey middle class, forget that your being screwed sideways by the repuke elites, look over here at Obama's preacher. And for those of you down south..................
Phoenix Justice @ 111:
How is the Bosnia thing a smear? She said one thing, and the video shows another thing entirely. And if you look at her tour schedule in her records:
http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/Documents/HRC%20Years/HRC%201996.pdf - check pages 468 - 471
she had absolutely no delays deboarding anywhere, no reports of sniper fire, it records greeting a grade 7 class and the 8 year old bosnian girl, has full smoking gun contradiction to her story, shows that the Gen. who defended her also has to be lying about the account.
its amazing. caught red handed. And her own records damn her. Hardly rushing to her cars after landing, she deboarded and spent around 20 minutes with the greeters before leaving the airport. She lied. Its all there, black and white.
you know.. you can say what you want about MSM... but chucky t. he is straight down the middle. i trust chuck todd. that may piss some people off... but. so be it.
But I thought Hillary said McCain was more qualified than Obama? Maybe the Democrats should stop crying about it and make a big deal about it themselves.
Phoenix Justice @ 111:
A Hillary supporter accusing someone of smearing? Aaahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Left&Left @ 117:
Now, now. Hillary doesn't smear people. As far as we know...
Interesting....Those same media shills who are willing to give McCain that pass. Are they going to feel more comfortable with the old geezer running our foreign policy and the same old same old? Or, is it a matter of the press liking the access McCain has granted over the years? If it is the latter, enjoy it now while you can, because if McCain becomes president and it all hits the fan, he will go into the same isolation balloon that the present administration has used so well. In other words, he will only be appearing at John Hagee's Church, West Point and military bases with no q & a afterwards.
I have seen these same people (Todd whatsisface), Russert, Tweety and all the rest, week after week after week spewing the endless stream of vitriolic flagwaving mumboJumboGumbo until you want to barf! Just remember, the Republicans were out in the "wilderness" for decades, and then along came Ronnie Raygun to bring them back...and ever since, this country has just been sliding down, down, down. The EXACT time to remember is when your hand is on the button to cast your vote! Anyone who can hold their nose" for yet another election cycle and vote Republican is just as guilty as Bush/Cheney. Period.
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Don't you guys get it do you. Democrat: Al queda= gaffe . For radical republicans, Al Queda= Emmanuel Goldstein, no mistake.
It's Me
You must not have seen the films. She did lie. No greeting ceremony because they were told to run to their cars? Sure looks like a planned greeting ceremony to me. Or did those people just happen to be there?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c
looks like the told the truth in her book, but decided to lie this week!
Hillary in her book "Living History"
anneyhussein @ 123:
I saw it. Twice.
What I saw was NOT a "ceremonial greeting ceremony". They were surrounded by combat-ready troops as they deplaned. Was that the "ceremonial greeting party" they left in place because it was so safe?
I assure you, if the ONLY thing Hillary Clinton did during the Clinton years had been to pat Bill on the back every now and then and say, "atta boy", then her years in the White House produced more positive results for America than anything Condi Rice has done as Secretary of State or George W. Bush as president for the last eight years.
And the record shows she did a damn sight more than that.
Alzheimerman whispers into the ear of torture broken, addle-brained McFudd and tells him what he said wrong, only Alzheimerman speaks with a memory loss, worm tounge as well. Is this the best red America has? Jeezus!
It's Me @ 125:
The First Lady records show that it was a greeting ceremony, her own book says it was a greeting party, and that they had to cut the ceremony short - she got the year wrong in the book saying it was 95 and not 96.
If it was so dangerous what was a grade 7 school class doing there, why was an 8 year old girl reading her a poem?
facts are facts - she didnt run to her cars from sniper fire, the Hillary Files which i linked to earlier in the thread clearly shows she spent nearly half an hour at that airport before leaving.
if it was so dangerous, what the hell was Chelsea doing on the trip?
http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/Documents/HRC%20Years/HRC%201996.pdf - there again, p. 468 - 471 - its all there black and white. greeting party, with names. she quickly deboarded, left the plane, greeted people, heard a little girls poem, had a meeting, left, took a copter to another base, and then another - and then she left for Italy.
she has made it clear that the incidents happened during the initial plane visit in, so she cant be mixing it up with the copter, unless she's really that daft.
Is this a 'senior moment' then? Seems like as blatant a lie as you can find.
Vonda, you're all over the road now.
She DIDN'T say she ran to the cars to avoid sniper fire. She said she was told she'd have to do that if there was sniper fire.
A "greeting party" is not the same as a CEREMONY that you now seem able to agree had to be cut short, scrapped, dumped, whatever, because of the threat of sniper fire.
Have you watched the video enough times now to be convinced that there, indeed, was not a ceremony?
Since you're such a stickler about details, truth and justice, why didn't you balk when the original posters of the youtube link failed to mention that the video had been carefully edited to remove the confirmation of Clinton's assessment of the situation by Fmr. Sec. of the Army, Togo West, which followed immediately after Hillary answered the question?
It's Me @ 129:
I am not all over the road at all
THESE ARE HER WORDS, VERBATIM AT GWU:
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.
did she run with her heads down or not?
her intinerary explicitly states that she met with the classes/teachers/ambassador/little girl
her book explicitly statest that she had a shortened greeting ceremony
whether or not you think its a 'ceremony' is subjective to you and you alone. unless you dont accept ceremony as anything less than red carpets, fanfare and balloons...
it doesnt matter what Togo West said, she explicitly stated at GWU that she ran for the cars, and she did not. the end. period.
...and if you are saying "oh, thats just what they were TOLD" - uh uh. that was her response to a question after the speech
THIS IS WHAT WAS IN HER SPEECH, AND IS STILL ON HER WEBSITE:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553
...and if that doesnt convince you... I'm afraid nothing will
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Vonda
I just saw that HRC had taken her elaborated account of the Bosnia visit off her website.
anneyhussein @ 134:
well the speech she gave March 17 is still there.
Phoenix Justice @ 111:
It isn't necessary to generalize about anybody's supporters, except Mc Insane's who are delusional. Don't become the thing you supposedly despise.
And, praytell, Master Todd, who is it that would put it on a running loop?
Could it be: NBC News?
You have brought hypocrisy to a new level.
bush/mccain...95 years of more wars...
Bill Maher On "Warrior" John McCain
3 min - Mar 23, 2008
Bill takes on John mccain in this week's "New Rules."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-YbyhCTy9M
the highest viewed Snipergate video is now over a quarter of a mllion views on youtube...
..the media remains silent.
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Admitting the media's biased gaffe is just sticking a toe in the water. It will take real courage to correct it. Do they have it? Or do ratings and make work get in the way of truth?
It's no big mystery that the media coddles McCain, as they do with most Republicans. They've given the Bush/Cheney cabal a free pass since day one. Can you imagine if we'd had a Democrat in the White House the last 7 years with all the incompetence and corruption?
Thanks for your honesty, Mr. Todd. It was truly a rare moment in the MSM.
There are NO videos of her getting into a car at all, slowly, quickly or indifferently. How do you know she wasn't rushed to her car when the time came?
Well, duh. Anyone who's watched the media created Wright controversy can see the double standard. Republican evangelical with the president's ear calls for the assassination of a foreign head of state? yawn.
Y'all remember when a reporter tried to play a game of "gotcha" with Hillary by asking who the new leader of Russia is?
It didn't work, she knew it was Dmitri Medvedev.
Good thing they didn't try it on Obama, or he would've called a press-conference to announce we need to heal the world's relationships.
Come to think of it, after Iraq, we may need to.
The media still brings up Bill Clinton saying he opposed the Iraq war from the beginning as another "Clintonian" lie.
In fact, he DID oppose it from the beginning and said so in an interview at a NY speech a couple of weeks before the invasion. He said at that time that he would not invade and would instead allow the inspectors to finish their job.
But you'll never hear a media retraction on that point from the likes of Chris Matthews or Tim Russert. Instead, you'll hear them repeat their own inaccurate reporting of it.
The media discovered years ago that there are no politicians, not even Eliot Spitzer, who have sold more newspapers or attracted more viewers than "the Clintons" when they are being trashed by lies from their opposition. Consequently, it is always in the media interest to promote the lies and report the trashing of them.
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chris @ 22:
The reason they gave him a Obama a pass, because there were nothing to report, Now the MSM is attacking him on guilt by association, which they still let McCain get away with that, look a McCain and Hagee, look at McCain and Pat Robinson the man who called for the assination of another country President, Look at McCain and Bob Jones University, so McCain have a host of guilt by association, but the MSM don't go after him.
The Democrat Party had this Presidentcy in the bag, but only the Democrat Party can find away to destroy themselves, now the party is fighting with each other than looking at the real issue, we can not afford to let Bush have another term, we can not let another Republican to continue to taint our Supreme Court, and if the Democrats don't fine away to come together, then this country would be on its final doom, John McCain will continue Bush plans to finish this country off for the military industrial complex, I was thinking about changing back to Democrat from Independent, but even if I don't switch, I understand the importants of electing a Democrat no matter who the choice is, that is the most important thing that matter to me, is to elect a DEMOCRAT if its Barack or Hillary.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 47:
Well, that isn't at all far fetched given gramps Prescott and his ties with Nazi-ism and ties with others who were also tied into funding them.
Master Race isn't too far away from new world order is it?
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