"Bring Them Home"

During Petraeus' testimony today he got a little interruption when a protester started yelling "bring them home":

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It's nice to still get this message out there, especially to the deaf ears of D.C.



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Bush will get right on top of that request, no worries.

awesome!!

Will patreus surrneder to the War Crimes Tribunal after the 2008 Election or will he exile himself in Paragauy?

How does he feel about being a tool, a very blunt tool, of the military industrial congressional mediatainment complex?

Crimes Against Humanity

Don't taze me bro.

A true Patriot in their midst! How refreshing!

Thank you C&L for capturing the moment and sharing!!

I wish others had gotten up right after he was ejected. That man deserves a medal!

That poor man, he's probably part of a human pyramid down in Gitmo already.

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R E M E M B E R:
They ran on bringing them home in 2006...
And so they kept them there so as to run on brining them home in 2008.

2010 anyone?

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Yet another nail in the GOP coffin.

if this could actually turn into some kind of movement, it would be great. but Americans are like complacent fattened cats...nobody wants the troops over there, but there is no real mobilization to bring them back either. shame, shame, shame...

Now, wouldn't it be nice if Obama complimented that demonstrator and started saying that same phrase?

themediamyth @ 10:

if this could actually turn into some kind of movement, it would be great. but Americans are like complacent fattened cats...nobody wants the troops over there, but there is no real mobilization to bring them back either. shame, shame, shame...

Interesting story here on what the troops want:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=4244798&page=1

What?! No tazers? That movie seriously sucks!!

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
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Bravo to the man who spoke out! Watching this makes me realize that nobody has the balls to end this thing. The Democrats are afraid to be labeled soft and the Repugs are just delusional.

Mr. Wicker says that there is no question that Iraq is much better now because of the surge.

And he asks if we should increase the surge...

Victory = Infinite Surging.

In NewSpeak a surge is a permanent rise in level.

Screw EVERY one of the Repugs on this questioning committee. NONE of them have
asked a pertinent question of Gen. P. or Crocker; but instead all they do is make
speeches about how well everything is going. What world do these assholes live
in. How about spending some time asking question and not making political speeches.
Pricks...vote them all out of office.

MountainMan23 @ 14:

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
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...and on the day it becomes self-aware, er...how DID that go again???

Ah, "democracy" in action - dissent, and get your ass kicked.

MountainMan23 @ 14:

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
...

Or $380 Billion using non-governmental inflation figures...

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

general patreus is a scumbag and i have no respect for him

thank you protester for yelling to deaf ears

what has our majority done on this issue, but cave time and time again?

And how are they going to man this increased surge? Are the robot soldiers coming online?

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

They aren't hurting either.

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why do you hate democracy?

I have a feeling its going to be a long, hot summer. Shades of 1968, anyone?

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Our government doesn't give an excretion about the anti-war movement.

The ruling parties own the vote and vette the candidates. They don't need us, or our opinions.

98% of the American people could be against the war and nothing would change.

Talk about preplanned, scripted questions and answers. Did you note that when
Sen. Warner asked Gen. P. concerning the "increased security and safety" of the
U.S. by remaining in Iraq, that Gen. P. was reading his answer from a prompted script.
This is a dog and pony show with certain members(Mostly Repugs and LIEberman) posing
questions(tho few actually ask) that had been discussed ahead of time so that the
answers would ALL be in favor of remaining in Iraq and that "the surge is working and should continue". Fun and games...with just BS being slung around for the consumption
of the public.

Someone ask the ribbon suit if Betrayus is his real name or did the administration
just playing more tomfoolery.

After they removed the man from the hearing room, McCain said thank you Mr. Chairman, I've had some experience with that. Then he did his eerie McCain snicker.

He didn't say if his "experience" was from being interrupted by a protester or being thrown out of a hearing room.

MountainMan23 @ 14:

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
...

Isn't this how the events Matrix and the Terminator films got started?

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

It's a frickin' dog and pony show! Someone needs to call them out on it. Our elected legislators are not going to do it and neither is the MSM.

How dare the people be heard when there's the work for the people being done!

Is CNN going to report that the Senator first started heckling Petraus with those questions?

Mrs McCaskill is an idiot.

1. She thinks we're going to abandon our permanent military bases.
2. She believes that an occupied nation should pay for their occupation.
3. She believes that the Iraqi people should pay for things that they did not ask for and did not want.

If I built a concrete monstrosity in her back yard, and she didn't want it, do I have the right to demand that she pay for it? She says I do.

Perhaps she believes that we should charge the Iraqis for the munitions we used to slaughter them with?

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

fuck that noise any body who dont interupt this fucking circus is a flucking traitor to america, where have all the bastards with guts in this country gone to, oh thats right out the stinking door with the gestapo dragging them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crocker, "uh, uh, uh, it's an interesting point, we'll need to take that aboard...blah, blah, blah."

Endless imperial colonial occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq by us, the US of A. A "hundred-year" McCane occupation? A thousand-year Bush-reich? You decide.

goat hussein sage @ 32:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

It's a frickin' dog and pony show! Someone needs to call them out on it. Our elected legislators are not going to do it and neither is the MSM.

Yes, we need to use more harsh language!!

Why, oh why, didn't the Chairman of this Committe read a scripted acknowledgement
of the wonderful job Gen. P. and Crocker have done? This way, the two of them would
know that ALL Committee members honor and appreciate the jobs they have done and
then each of the Committee members would not have to spend
4 or so minutes of their allocated 6 minutes telling them how GREAT they are? I thought
the purpose of this hearing was to make inquires of these two individuals; but when
majority of time is spent making laudatory comments, it leaves little time for indepth
pertinent questioning. This, as I said earlier, is just a dog and pony show.

Weaseldog @ 35:

Mrs McCaskill is an idiot.

1. She thinks we're going to abandon our permanent military bases.
2. She believes that an occupied nation should pay for their occupation.
3. She believes that the Iraqi people should pay for things that they did not ask for and did not want.

If I built a concrete monstrosity in her back yard, and she didn't want it, do I have the right to demand that she pay for it? She says I do.

Perhaps she believes that we should charge the Iraqis for the munitions we used to slaughter them with?

Makes sense... doesn't the Chinese government often bill the families of the people it executes for the bullets?

Liberal AND Proud @ 39:

goat hussein sage @ 32:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

It's a frickin' dog and pony show! Someone needs to call them out on it. Our elected legislators are not going to do it and neither is the MSM.

Yes, we need to use more harsh language!!

Or sign more petitions! Yeah, that'll do the trick.

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Maybe another petition is in order?

Time now to rub it in their faces at every opportunity.

AQI? Is that NewSpeak? I don't have the new Tenth Edition.

Interesting that it is lost on SO many Americans how many generals Bush had to fire to get this lacky.

Once again...the General has chosen to Betraeus.

Scy @ 45:

Interesting that it is lost on SO many Americans how many generals Bush had to fire to get this lacky.

Shit. He's two steps BELOW lackey.

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

May be if there were more people with brass BALLS like him this will sooner come to an end. There's a fellow by us,Al Landis, spending his second one month for protesting the second time in the gallery after spending a month and $500 fine for speaking out .Oh he's about 70+ something so unless your way works better shut the hell up !

AQI= Al Quesadilla in Iraq

Repuglican lazy-speak

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

But Dave, what else can we do-both republican and democrats keep funding this war.

JohnW @ 50:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

But Dave, what else can we do-both republican and democrats keep funding this war.

Go shopping! As we did after 9/11. Keep America strong! Support the troops! Drive more!!

please send a thank you to all the war mongers and liars...

and dont forget JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN...

it's not for lack of trying that he hasn't gotten more people killed... he just needs the chance

After martial law is declared, General Betraeus' picture will be promoted to death camp overlord.

Ooops...I meant that after martial law is declared, General Betraeus will be promoted to death camp overlord.

i have learned mush from crocker, ive learned that useing the word uhhhh will go a long way with a dipshit like him uhhh uhhh you fricking moron!

goat hussein sage @ 49:

AQI= Al Quesadilla in Iraq

Repuglican lazy-speak

Ala' Quesadilla in Iraq?

tyree @ 55:

i have learned mush from crocker, ive learned that useing the word uhhhh will go a long way with a dipshit like him uhhh uhhh you fricking moron!

tyree- "uhh" is neo-con speak for "give me a second while I come up with a lie"

Gen. Betrayus to Congress:
1. The surge is working
2. Any violence is due to Iran
3. We need to maintain escalation troop levels for another 6 months.

Weaseldog @ 56:

goat hussein sage @ 49:

AQI= Al Quesadilla in Iraq

Repuglican lazy-speak

Ala' Quesadilla in Iraq?

with salsa

God bless you, whoever you are.

BRING THEM HOME

Scy @ 45:

Interesting that it is lost on SO many Americans how many generals Bush had to fire to get this lacky.

If General Betrayus isn't the "decider" guy, who is?

Leslie @ 58:

Gen. Betrayus to Congress:
1. The surge is working
2. Any violence is due to Iran
3. We need to maintain escalation troop levels for another 6 months.

Have to keep that list short. George can't memorize more than 3 talking points.

Leslie @ 58:

Gen. Betrayus to Congress:
1. The surge is working
2. Any violence is due to Iran
3. We need to maintain escalation troop levels for another 6 months.

4. Please, please pick me for your running mate Senator McBush!

goat hussein sage @ 57:

tyree @ 55:

i have learned mush from crocker, ive learned that useing the word uhhhh will go a long way with a dipshit like him uhhh uhhh you fricking moron!

tyree- "uhh" is neo-con speak for "give me a second while I come up with a lie"

yes i was sure it was but my ability to listen to such moronic shits at its end, support our troops as they scoop up the gore they have made out of children and innocent civillians , send them a snow shovel its big enough to handle a five yr old with ease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!fuck bush cheny betrayus the congress the senate and ever repig thats ever wasted fresh air! no bodys going to get us out of iraq nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brave man. Who was he?

And Petraeus had a microsecond of guilt on his face before it disappeared, just like Olly North when he lied for Reagan about the Iran/Contra affair.

Leslie @ 61:

Scy @ 45:

Interesting that it is lost on SO many Americans how many generals Bush had to fire to get this lacky.

If General Betrayus isn't the "decider" guy, who is?

To elaborate...I mean: Bush says he'll do whatever General Betrayus recommends. But Betrayus doesn't have responsibility for Iraq policy. Adm. Fallon, who did, left.

So who's in charge?

C Quil @ 65:

Brave man. Who was he?

And Petraeus had a microsecond of guilt on his face before it disappeared, just like Olly North when he lied for Reagan about the Iran/Contra affair.

Olly North never felt a single shred of guilt. Another criminal rewarded with a tv show.

Leslie @ 66:

Leslie @ 61:

Scy @ 45:

Interesting that it is lost on SO many Americans how many generals Bush had to fire to get this lacky.

If General Betrayus isn't the "decider" guy, who is?

To elaborate...I mean: Bush says he'll do whatever General Betrayus recommends. But Betrayus doesn't have responsibility for Iraq policy. Adm. Fallon, who did, left.

So who's in charge?

No one. It's the perfect dodge.

I heard Jesse Ventura say " A just war is one where you would send your own child " .

Me , I think wars should be fought by old men with rusty swords on c-span ! .

Backbone America , now more than ever remember who voted for what , neoCons ( dems & repubs ) vote them out , vote America FIRST and place no other country above ours .

Durning Viet Namn we used to say " wars will cease when men ( and women ) refuse to fight " .

Living past this shame will take a very long time .

Osama says Iraqi is the central front in the war on terror.

So our Generals believe it is wise to fight this war as OBL decrees.

Osama says, "Fight in Iraq!"
Petreaus snaps to attention and says, "Yes Sir!"

Liberal AND Proud @ 68:

Leslie @ 66:

Leslie @ 61:

Scy @ 45:

If General Betrayus isn't the "decider" guy, who is?

To elaborate...I mean: Bush says he'll do whatever General Betrayus recommends. But Betrayus doesn't have responsibility for Iraq policy. Adm. Fallon, who did, left.

So who's in charge?

No one. It's the perfect dodge.

Right. But I just read in the papers today that we had to pull embassy staff out of Yemen due to stepped up al Qaeda attacks. The Taliban is gaining in Afghanistan. While Muqtada al-Sadr is threatening to increase attacks in Iraq.

Iraq the gift that keeps on giving to al Qaeda.

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Note: Not implying al-Sadr has anything to do with al Qaeda. Meant the ongoing chaos and violence in Iraq is boosting al Qaeda recruitment.

Also, didn't Zawahiri just release a statement saying al Qaeda will attack Iran for supporting Maliki and the Badr Brigade. Lovely.

Liberal AND Proud @ 25:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why do you hate democracy?

i am totally for democracy. it's there right. i'm not saiyng they can't do it, i just think that it would be better for the anti-war effort it they didn't, because fox news and the neocons are going to try and exploit that and portray people who are against the war as being annoying hippie weirdos. I never said they are not allowed to do it or should not be allowed to do it.

Leslie @ 73:

Note: Not implying al-Sadr has anything to do with al Qaeda. Meant the ongoing chaos and violence in Iraq is boosting al Qaeda recruitment.

Also, didn't Zawahiri just release a statement saying al Qaeda will attack Iran for supporting Maliki and the Badr Brigade. Lovely.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

dave @ 74:

Liberal AND Proud @ 25:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why do you hate democracy?

i am totally for democracy. it's there right. i'm not saiyng they can't do it, i just think that it would be better for the anti-war effort it they didn't, because fox news and the neocons are going to try and exploit that and portray people who are against the war as being annoying hippie weirdos. I never said they are not allowed to do it or should not be allowed to do it.

Let them call us unpatriotic, hippie weirdos.

It's time we settled that bullshit...once and for all.

Liberal AND Proud @ 75:

Leslie @ 73:

Note: Not implying al-Sadr has anything to do with al Qaeda. Meant the ongoing chaos and violence in Iraq is boosting al Qaeda recruitment.

Also, didn't Zawahiri just release a statement saying al Qaeda will attack Iran for supporting Maliki and the Badr Brigade. Lovely.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Yeah, well, everything Bush is doing in the Middle East is helping al Qaeda. It's almost as if he's working for them?

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

This guy should get 25 to life in Gitmo!

I wonder what would happen if someone went to one of those hearings and started chanting "nuke them all! nuke them all!!"

Would they pin a medal on them?

and a couple people interrupting a hearing is going to change anything?

emphasa @ 80:

I wonder what would happen if someone went to one of those hearings and started chanting "nuke them all! nuke them all!!"

Would they pin a medal on them?

They would just tell rash limpballs the buffet's closed.

MountainMan23 @ 14:

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
...

Uhhh....yeah. Let's turn war into a glorified video game, complete with "cyber-warriors" at their keyboards, so Americans don't have to deal with the realities of war. No more American casualties, only "damned dirty brown people". Sponsored by Kraft and GM. Tune in next week to see how we'll make auto accidents a thing of the past.

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

Yes, we should all sit quietly in our chairs while the grownups speak. For they have the wisdom and understanding we mere children could not possibly comprehend. Besides, you know they are going to march back to their mahogany paneled offices and read our petitions and weep for the poor Iraqi children.

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

That's the way its always been, dave. Nothing will change there - the best thing to do is fight back at every chance - including congressional hearings...

dave @ 81:

and a couple people interrupting a hearing is going to change anything?

It's at least a pin-prick in the bunker mentality.

Liberal AND Proud @ 76:

dave @ 74:

Liberal AND Proud @ 25:

dave @ 21:

Why do you hate democracy?

i am totally for democracy. it's there right. i'm not saiyng they can't do it, i just think that it would be better for the anti-war effort it they didn't, because fox news and the neocons are going to try and exploit that and portray people who are against the war as being annoying hippie weirdos. I never said they are not allowed to do it or should not be allowed to do it.

Let them call us unpatriotic, hippie weirdos.

It's time we settled that bullshit...once and for all.

I would be proud if someone called me an unpatriotic, hippie weirdo. The funny thing is, no neo-con has had the balls to do it yet.

If we had proper debates in this country, not stage managed joint press conferences, and free-speech zones, there be no need to interrupt these hearings.l

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

I understand your point and it's reasonable. Interrupting a Congressional hearing is rude behavior.

Speaking of speaking out against the war, Cokie Roberts was interviewing the Nation's Katrina Vander Heuvel recently. Katrina mentioned the democratic candidate's Iraq withdrawal plans. To which Cokie responded something like, the American people want to win in Iraq. Implying that no one would take the Democratic candidates withdrawal plans seriously and totally ignoring all the polls showing a clear majority of Americans want the troops brought home asap. [Glenn Greenwald at Salon wrote an essay about the Cokie/Katrina exchange.]

My point, however, is that it doesn't matter. We aren't being listened to or taken seriously anyway--in any venue. Even though most of the country agrees with us. So what difference does it make? If you're not going to be listened to anyway, may as well say what you want, when you want, right?

Bud @ 85:

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

That's the way its always been, dave. Nothing will change there - the best thing to do is fight back at every chance - including congressional hearings...

maybe your right. maybe protesting in the streets won't do anything, but when has interrupting a congressional hearing changed anything? Atleast when thousands of Americans have protested in the streets its caused a buzz. Some lady with weird make out on saying bring the troops home at a congressional hearing doesn't do shit.

Leslie @ 77:

Liberal AND Proud @ 75:

Leslie @ 73:

Note: Not implying al-Sadr has anything to do with al Qaeda. Meant the ongoing chaos and violence in Iraq is boosting al Qaeda recruitment.

Also, didn't Zawahiri just release a statement saying al Qaeda will attack Iran for supporting Maliki and the Badr Brigade. Lovely.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Yeah, well, everything Bush is doing in the Middle East is helping al Qaeda. It's almost as if he's working for them?

don't forget iran. iran should erect a statue in prez cheney's honor, as our misaction, crimes and flubs have been a HUGE boon to iran.

and, now that we have decided to take sides in the shi'ia civil war, it is evident that we are willing to play the puppet.

Dave's not home man.

Don't you think protesting in the streets could get Iraq back on cable news? What gets more press: lady interrupts congressional hearing.... or 50,000 people march through Washington?

dave @ 93:

Don't you think protesting in the streets could get Iraq back on cable news? What gets more press: lady interrupts congressional hearing.... or 50,000 people march through Washington?

50,000 Americans still want us to be safe so they will not be in the streets..

dave @ 93:

Don't you think protesting in the streets could get Iraq back on cable news? What gets more press: lady interrupts congressional hearing.... or 50,000 people march through Washington?

Dave, there was a march just yesterday in Washington by veterans against the occupation. Did you see that on the news last night or was the lead story Princess Diana's death?

dave @ 93:

Don't you think protesting in the streets could get Iraq back on cable news? What gets more press: lady interrupts congressional hearing.... or 50,000 people march through Washington?

Depends on what Brittany or Paris are doing that day.

We've had major protests, for us, in Dallas for various reasons, but what's on TV is a water-skiing squirrel.

dave @ 93:

Don't you think protesting in the streets could get Iraq back on cable news? What gets more press: lady interrupts congressional hearing.... or 50,000 people march through Washington?

Hmm...it's a toss-up. Because I've been in some of those marches in NYC, and they always receive a minimum of attention, and it's usually portrayed as those non-serious anti-war folks out in the streets again, sigh. While this lone guy at the Betrayus hearing actually got 5 minutes of MSM attention. Woohoo!

dave @ 90:

Bud @ 85:

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

That's the way its always been, dave. Nothing will change there - the best thing to do is fight back at every chance - including congressional hearings...

maybe your right. maybe protesting in the streets won't do anything, but when has interrupting a congressional hearing changed anything? Atleast when thousands of Americans have protested in the streets its caused a buzz. Some lady with weird make out on saying bring the troops home at a congressional hearing doesn't do shit.

that is debatable.

i would argue it does do something.

of course, this is the same type of logic that poo-poos protests. the 'meh, it won't change anything' mindset.

consider this though: instead of just that one person acting patriotically, imagine the entire room in an uproar, acting patriotically.

ysbaddaden -

A water-skiing squirrel? Really? Oooh, where can I watch THAT?

Samson- @ 98:

consider this though: instead of just that one person acting patriotically, imagine the entire room in an uproar, acting patriotically.

You reminded me, what are our congress critters doing today in the hearing?

how many people were there?

dave @ 74:

Liberal AND Proud @ 25:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why do you hate democracy?

i am totally for democracy. it's there right. i'm not saiyng they can't do it, i just think that it would be better for the anti-war effort it they didn't, because fox news and the neocons are going to try and exploit that and portray people who are against the war as being annoying hippie weirdos. I never said they are not allowed to do it or should not be allowed to do it.

Otherwise, they'd wouldn't be portrayed at all. They would be considered, nonexistent.

And I agree, war loving bigots might think unkindly of those that they oppose.

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

Oh well, you don't want the people that already hate you, to think unkindly of you.

Then again, those that feel alone in this may hear that protester and think, "It isn't just me!"

Leslie @ 100:

Samson- @ 98:

consider this though: instead of just that one person acting patriotically, imagine the entire room in an uproar, acting patriotically.

You reminded me, what are our congress critters doing today in the hearing?

Speaking of water-skiing squirrels...

Weaseldog @ 27:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Our government doesn't give an excretion about the anti-war movement.

The ruling parties own the vote and vette the candidates. They don't need us, or our opinions.

98% of the American people could be against the war and nothing would change.

Because we will not organize, unite, or refuse to cooperate with the system. Our passivity = our consent.

JohnW @ 50:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

But Dave, what else can we do-both republican and democrats keep funding this war.

Very well said. The Democrats, the alleged anti-war party, reneged on their promise to end the occupation. Cowards, the whole lot of them, who do not have the moral fortitude of a Martin Luther King or a Daniel Berrigan or a Howard Zinn. Each day this occupation continues is one more day the Democrats should hang their heads in shame and disgrace.

Skreddy @ 105:

Weaseldog @ 27:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Our government doesn't give an excretion about the anti-war movement.

The ruling parties own the vote and vette the candidates. They don't need us, or our opinions.

98% of the American people could be against the war and nothing would change.

Because we will not organize, unite, or refuse to cooperate with the system. Our passivity = our consent.

That's not quite true. We have organized and you're reading one of the results of that organization. The GOP is going to get hammered at the polls too, another manifestation of our organization.

Frank Dufek @ 60:

God bless you, whoever you are.

BRING THEM HOME

Ditto.

Leslie @ 107:

Skreddy @ 105:

Weaseldog @ 27:

dave @ 21:

Our government doesn't give an excretion about the anti-war movement.

The ruling parties own the vote and vette the candidates. They don't need us, or our opinions.

98% of the American people could be against the war and nothing would change.

Because we will not organize, unite, or refuse to cooperate with the system. Our passivity = our consent.

That's not quite true. We have organized and you're reading one of the results of that organization. The GOP is going to get hammered at the polls too, another manifestation of our organization.

So long as Diebold is listening...

Weaseldog @ 109:

Leslie @ 107:

Skreddy @ 105:

Weaseldog @ 27:

Because we will not organize, unite, or refuse to cooperate with the system. Our passivity = our consent.

That's not quite true. We have organized and you're reading one of the results of that organization. The GOP is going to get hammered at the polls too, another manifestation of our organization.

So long as Diebold is listening...

Diebold and ES&S. Always mention both Urosevich brothers.

Bud @ 85:

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

That's the way its always been, dave. Nothing will change there - the best thing to do is fight back at every chance - including congressional hearings...

Well said. Very well said.

When asked by Evan Bayh why we have five times as many troops and resources dedicated to Iraq vs Afghanistan when intelligence shows that Afghanistan is the most likely source of a terrorist attack, Petraeus said that he was only interested in Iraq and not so much the global war on terror. Has he forgotten his oath of enlistment?

http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . ."

Not just enemies in Iraq, "all enemies". He quickly added that he only has four stars. Well, the oath applies the moment you enlist. It's not like it only applies to five star generals. It's nice to know that Petraeus puts his political objectives before his own oath of enlistment.

seriously, screw what FOX or the Neocons or the Regressives say of us. And not in the nihilistic, anarchistic sense. But in the let's stop defining ourselves by their terms sense. It's not that I don't care what they think, it's that how I think of myself is not based on what they think of me and my convictions.
I wish all of us had the balls to be "rude" to these murderers.

Leslie @ 77:

Liberal AND Proud @ 75:

Leslie @ 73:

Note: Not implying al-Sadr has anything to do with al Qaeda. Meant the ongoing chaos and violence in Iraq is boosting al Qaeda recruitment.

Also, didn't Zawahiri just release a statement saying al Qaeda will attack Iran for supporting Maliki and the Badr Brigade. Lovely.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Yeah, well, everything Bush is doing in the Middle East is helping al Qaeda. It's almost as if he's working for them?

OBL voted for Busholini in '04.

[Deleted. Do NOT advocate violence on this site-Sitemonitor]

reyvn @ 113:

seriously, screw what FOX or the Neocons or the Regressives say of us. And not in the nihilistic, anarchistic sense. But in the let's stop defining ourselves by their terms sense. It's not that I don't care what they think, it's that how I think of myself is not based on what they think of me and my convictions.
I wish all of us had the balls to be "rude" to these murderers.

This dirty hippie agrees!

goat hussein sage @ 99:

ysbaddaden -

A water-skiing squirrel? Really? Oooh, where can I watch THAT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncg5iHVVKwM&feature=related

Betrayus is an insult to the Army, agreeing to bypass his superiors. He is an insult to the soldiers in Iraq, as he spills their blood in exchange for personal political gain. And he betrays the American people by his slick endorsement of a failed strategy.

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why? Just because you wouldn't have the balls to do the same thing?
We have a hard enough time getting the sheeple media to even mention
large anti war protests or rallies so it is EXTREMELY important that
this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME. We can't expect change
when we hold yearly, anniversary rallies or protests, we have to keep
the heat on every single second of every single day. The main reason
the war continues and our elected representatives don't act on our
wishes is because people like you want people like this protester to
just sit down and shut up. If you are 'strongly' against the war as you
say, then and ACT LIKE IT.

I don't think Dave deserves to be attacked for his opinion,which in a certain light makes perfect sense.I still think that the right "target" needs to be "hit" to get the point across.No one has done more to keep this despicable war rolling than the American media.Digby has pointed this out a number of times.I'd like to see a huge rally picketing Fox or ABC for example-right at the hub of their operations.Signs proclaiming:"Stop the Lies!" "Tell Us the Truth!" "Whats Your Agenda Fox news???"

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

Baby listen to the main stream press ,this comment is all over the news all afternoon.
And at #48 I left out the word PRISON for Al Landis speaking out. Time to speak up is before Iran and you'll notice the other side is reading from the same script about how dangerous Iran is.

Dana @ 119:

dave @ 21:

I'm strongly against the war, but these protesters that decide to interupt hearings on the war are not helping.

Why? Just because you wouldn't have the balls to do the same thing?
We have a hard enough time getting the sheeple media to even mention
large anti war protests or rallies so it is EXTREMELY important that
this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME. We can't expect change
when we hold yearly, anniversary rallies or protests, we have to keep
the heat on every single second of every single day. The main reason
the war continues and our elected representatives don't act on our
wishes is because people like you want people like this protester to
just sit down and shut up. If you are 'strongly' against the war as you
say, then and ACT LIKE IT.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

Well Put!

Erroll @ 111:

Bud @ 85:

dave @ 78:

protest out in the streets. bring signs if you want to the petraues thing or say stuff at the end, but interrupting the proceedings won't make lawmakers change their mind. it definitely won't help with popular opinion (even though most people are against the war). I doubt that anyone's gonna watch people interrupt the hearing and say, "i was for the war, but now i'm against it cause 1 person decided to be loud". On the other hand conservatives will think and be able to say, "say those annoying war protesters. Look at those liberal loons".

That's the way its always been, dave. Nothing will change there - the best thing to do is fight back at every chance - including congressional hearings...

Well said. Very well said.

who gives a fluck what repigs think? fuck them if they dont like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pinkobait @ 120:

I don't think Dave deserves to be attacked for his opinion,which in a certain light makes perfect sense.I still think that the right "target" needs to be "hit" to get the point across.No one has done more to keep this despicable war rolling than the American media.Digby has pointed this out a number of times.I'd like to see a huge rally picketing Fox or ABC for example-right at the hub of their operations.Signs proclaiming:"Stop the Lies!" "Tell Us the Truth!" "Whats Your Agenda Fox news???"

if that's the same media that has barbecue with mcAin't, the same media that enjoys the comfort of the DC bubble, then this is certainly the best place to stage any form of protest - the green zone of WashDC.

Petraeus for President (Brent Budowsky) @ 3:05 pm

Let’s make it official. The purported president of the United States, who like John McCain has trouble getting his Sunnis and Shiites exactly right, the former before we began this war, the latter while he would continue it indefinitely, have gotten America into a war without end.

Our matinee idol general of the day, whatever his virtues and vices, is now the commander in chief of the war without end, which the new Congress, elected to end it, continues.

We now have a president who dresses up like a soldier, in costume, and a general who now assumes the role of president, and a Congress that now looks like the character in the movie “Zelig,” popping up as a bit player during great events.

Here are a few truths that have not been told in the hours of today’s hearing that I was capable of watching, before I could take no more.

1. The strategy of Bush and Petraeus is simple: Stall the game out to drop on the desk of the next president, and force the next president to either continue the war indefinitely or accept the blame of their failures.

2. We will either keep paying the 60,000 Iraqis who formerly killed Americans and now take our money on long-term retainers, or, if our money stops flowing to them, they will resume killing either our people or other Iraqis. In a war without end, we are paying hush money without end.

3. The big winner, as always, as was inevitable from the beginning of this misbegotten war without end, is Iran. This is a matter of history, geography and religion. It was inevitable before Lieberman and neocons started hungering for this war in the 1990s. It was inevitable when it began. It is inevitable today. It will be inevitable in perpetuity because Iran is Shiite and adjacent to Iraq, and we are not.

4. The only rational outcome would include a diplomatic initiative that is regional and includes Iran with a political initiative that is credible and pressures Iraqis, yet President Bush will not do this, and Gen. Petraeus lacks the moral stature of Adm. Fallon, and goes along.

5. “Our man in Iraq,” the hapless Maliki, a good friend of Iran, and a not-so-good friend of ours, ignores our advice, attacks in Basra, journeys to the battle scene like Napoleon, and leaves with his tail between his legs when a thousand Petraeus-trained Iraqi “troops” run for the hills.

The question is not whether Gen. Petraeus should run for president. The problem is, in this war without end, he already is, and the sad truth is, he is the Congress, too.

So someone thinks one unruly voice in the halls of Congress is not good. We should all be ground into the earth by this killing machine without so much as a whimper.

TOO FUCKING BAD! THERE SHOULD BE MORE OF THE SAME IN MORE VENUES WHERE THES PASSIVE/AGRESSIVE MURDERS DO THEIR BUSINESS

MountainMan23 @ 14:

STOP THE MADNESS

MSNBC (Wash Post) U.S. weapons upgrade faces big hurdles

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army is in the early stages of developing the most expensive weapons program in its history, but the project could already be in jeopardy because it largely depends on three separate military programs that have been plagued by cost overruns, immature technologies and timetable delays.

At stake is what the Army calls its most ambitious modernization since World War II -- Future Combat Systems, a new generation of weapons, combat vehicles, robots and sensors connected to a wireless network. Imagine, for instance, a battlefield on which soldiers use remote-control devices to position hovering drones over an enemy encampment, then send those coordinates to a box of rockets that can launch and strike a moving target.

It's a costly vision: In the complicated math of the military, the Army said the program will cost $124 billion, or $162 billion including inflation. Independent estimates from the office of the Secretary of Defense price the project at $203 billion to $234 billion.
...

It isn't about the weapons. It's about the weapons contracts. i.e., IT'S ALWAYS ONLY BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY

126 CoIntelPro - against Divisive Democrats Says: [CORRECTION]

too fucking bad! There Should be more of the same in more venues where these PASSIVE/AGRESSIVE MURDerERS do their business.

It’s nice to still get this message out there, especially to the deaf ears of D.C.

If you want them to hear, then the next time you hear of a march on Washington instead of sitting home and bitching about this war, get off your ass and come to DC.

There is no reason why 80,000 - 100,000 people only show up to these....You imagine if over 1,000,000 or maybe those 80% of Americans that say their against the war showed up and took their country back?

Gees people, if your against this war...then do something..get off your ass, away from your computer and lets start a fucking revolution!!!!

Don't wait till the next election, by then more and more of my fellow troops will die for what some of these politicans call a "mistake".

Let's Go!!!

Joe Biden is starting of with a bang; Crocker back on his heels.

Wouldn't it be funny if we brought the troops home for them to find they've been foreclosed?

Where is the opposition voice in Congress to end this madness. Do Americans see that we are being led on by a political group that has no intention of changing course. I WILL not vote for any Congressperson now in office as they have all been derelict in their duties to provide oversight of Bush and his messes.

Oh, and by the way, what happened to duty and responsibility. None of the three senators running for the presidency has relinquished their senate seat. Having their cake and eating it too. None has enough belief in self, nor self-respect to do the honorable thing and resign their cushy day job, which they are doing at about .05%

I'd like to point out that the protester -- who actually speaks for the majority of Americans -- received applause from the audience. Meanwhile, the federal government's hearing -- distraction from the bloody reality of their policies went on...

It's not "good" when morons interrupt congressional hearings chanting slogans. It's rude, it's distracting, it wastes precious time that we actually get to grill the people in charge, and it reinforces the idea that anti-war activists are nutjobs.

We may disagree with Gen. Petraeus' strategy in Iraq -- which is actually Bush's strategy, which Petraeus is not in a position to disobey -- but he is a distinguished military serviceman and he deserves to be treated with decorum and respect. Calling him names, shouting at him, it's counterproductive. Shame on C&L for encouraging it.

Brendan @ 133:

It's not "good" when morons interrupt congressional hearings chanting slogans. It's rude, it's distracting, it wastes precious time that we actually get to grill the people in charge, and it reinforces the idea that anti-war activists are nutjobs.

We may disagree with Gen. Petraeus' strategy in Iraq -- which is actually Bush's strategy, which Petraeus is not in a position to disobey -- but he is a distinguished military serviceman and he deserves to be treated with decorum and respect. Calling him names, shouting at him, it's counterproductive. Shame on C&L for encouraging it.

oh i think gen betrayus has enough of these dickheads scarfing on his johnson!

Carl Levin , who is really for the war was trying to cover the Dems asses once again. These hearings are just the usual song and dance routine. Less troops, more troops - the fact is Bush AND the Dems want to continue this war indefinitely no matter how high the casualties or the cost. Go Nader '08.

Gen. Petraeus says he is "only a four star general" but Lindsay Graham said he would promote him to five star if he could. Oh, Dave Petraeus has ambitions for sure. Five stars and then POTUS.

Adm. William Fallon claimed Petraeus tried to ingratiate himself with superiors and Fallon told Petraeus he thought him to be "an ass-kissing little chickensh*t" and added , "I hate people like that."

I'd like to know how badlyhe was beaten afterwards and how much jail time he'll get.

Feingold ate Patraeus' lunch in a diplomatic, professional way. Coleman looked like the fool he is, playing Little League in the Majors.

Can't take any more of Crocker. Where did this man take his "public speaking" courses? He is a terrible drone. What a disgrace to the U.S.

Notice how many times Petraeus has said IRAN, IRAN, IRAN?

BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
BRING. THEM. HOME.
...

So basically nothing has been accomplished in the last six months of the Iraq occupation.

Stay the course.

Uncle Chimpy wants YOU to go die for his lies!

Would that the rest of us be as vocal.

Why doesn't Gen. Patreus-Maximus/Minimus know that there is no military solution in Iraq? Those demonstrators may have been smarter than he was. Sad how when people tell the truth about the gov't they get supressed and incarcerated!

jimijazz @ 136:

Carl Levin , who is really for the war was trying to cover the Dems asses once again. These hearings are just the usual song and dance routine. Less troops, more troops - the fact is Bush AND the Dems want to continue this war indefinitely no matter how high the casualties or the cost. Go Nader '08.

Bravo. The only candidate calling for the immediate and total withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, thus ensuring that no more American soldiers will be returning to this country in coffins and that no more of them will end up in VA hospitals across the country severely burned, blinded, brain damaged, paralyzed, missing arms and legs, suffering from PTSD. The other three candidates are bought and paid for by the big corporations.

Rosellini @ 144:

Why doesn't Gen. Patreus-Maximus/Minimus know that there is no military solution in Iraq? Those demonstrators may have been smarter than he was. Sad how when people tell the truth about the gov't they get supressed and incarcerated!

A most telling observation. This country needs more people like this demonstrator who are attempting to duplicate the title of Howard Zinn's book "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress."

MAN, I truely LOVE everyone that blogs on C&L. We are the few with backbones and voices. Imagine this; all the generals have to do is say "NO SIR! Not another American life!" In that instant, the revolution has started and won. To take the power away from this MONARCH would mean that we would finally be free. How do we get this message out to the public without being silenced! How do we kick off our revolution against a power, this brewing revolution that you can feel in the air and see all around you. How do we awaken those whlo blindly obey power and submit.

A brave and true patriot!

Andy Fig @ 147:

MAN, I truely LOVE everyone that blogs on C&L. We are the few with backbones and voices. Imagine this; all the generals have to do is say "NO SIR! Not another American life!" In that instant, the revolution has started and won. To take the power away from this MONARCH would mean that we would finally be free. How do we get this message out to the public without being silenced! How do we kick off our revolution against a power, this brewing revolution that you can feel in the air and see all around you. How do we awaken those whlo blindly obey power and submit.

Andy

Your comment is reminiscent of the powerful documentary Sir! No Sir!, which focused on the GI movement that took place during the Vietnam War. If more soldiers today were able to see this film, they could then emulate what they were doing back then and the demonstrator did today in order to bring this most unnecessary occupation to an end.

Can anyone tell me what would happen if EVERY soldier and officer refused to fight another day and demanded to come home? I know you'd get punished, but could they punish everyone?

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