John McCain loses to Tiger Woods, bigtime.

what a dumb way to insult somebody....compare him to the best golfer in the world....the richest most successful sports star in the world.....

it'll be fun to watch all the righty thugs argue this wasnt racist.....

i guess republicans prefer angry, incompetent, adulterous and corrupt white men to everything else...i suppose that's why they are republicans

That's substance baiting. Tiger Woods is an entertainer in effect, so if you follow the association...

Sgt. Bellavia sounds like a real master baiter.

ohio progressive (typical non-typical white person) @ 4:

what a dumb way to insult somebody....compare him to the best golfer in the world....the richest most successful sports star in the world.....

it'll be fun to watch all the righty thugs argue this wasnt racist.....

i guess republicans prefer angry, incompetent, adulterous and corrupt white men to everything else...i suppose that's why they are republicans

Sounds like father issues.

Hmm... Maybe he was trying to censor himself? He was about to say "negro" but then realized he was being recorded and thought of the first "negro" he could think of... or something?

On the bright side: at least he didn't say "Islamofascist"

I (Obama supporter) try to give everyone benefit of the doubt but Bellavia is simply racist, ignorant, and stupid. And the people clapping after his comment? The same... racist, ignorant, and stupid. And McCain? As long as he has the guy's support -- he don't care...

Remains to be seen if McCain will condemn Bellavia's comments as he did Bill Cunningham's.

sad bastard.

i think what he meant was:

you can have your 'the best in the world by a million miles at his sport' guy and we'll take our 'his big claim to fame is being shot down' guy.

*Shrug*

coming from a mostly white country, it seems silly to me, then again, the most favorable interpretation would be he is referring to Tiger Woods as a charming showman if you will, but not a "working" guy if you will.

For the record, Tiger Woods is cute, and I am a heterosexual white guy.

Maybe he actually thinks Tiger Woods is the likely Democratic nominee. They all look alike, after all.

Just look at the crowd behind this guy and McCain, is that representitive of the America you live and work in? I saw maybe one person of color and 2 women.

This clown makes zero sense. He says he wants his boys to emulate McCain...okay...but what is so wrong with Tiger Woods? He's a winner, he gives to charities, he's a good citizen and one of the best Golfers the world has ever seen.

Unless there was something else (the guy hates golf?) why would he say something like that unless he's A) Uninformed or B) Racist?

I dunno...a weird statement for sure. If I was McCain, I would have openly said something but he didn't (what an assclown).

Perhaps he meant to say, "You can have your Tiger Woods, we've got Bob Hope".
(sorry Bob, RIP).

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

no mattah how good tiger is, no mattah how much money he's made at THEIR game, he's still just another black in their eyes. And that would be called: ta-ta, RACISM. Follow this closely and you will see how it lurked beneath the surface all along, there was a pretense that all was getting better, they were allowed to ride the bus and drink in any fountain they chose. hell, some of them even inter racially married. how liberal can this nation be? but the monster was just waiting as the phoenix to rear its ugly head at the opportune time. During Bush's administration, they felt they were in friendly confines and they felt safe enough to roll out the snake handlers and the race baiting, now, they feel threatened that one of THEM might actually lead this country. now they will bring out all of their racist ammo to fire against this black man who would be prez.

Norse @ 20:

*Shrug*

coming from a mostly white country, it seems silly to me, then again, the most favorable interpretation would be he is referring to Tiger Woods as a charming showman if you will, but not a "working" guy if you will.

For the record, Tiger Woods is cute, and I am a heterosexual white guy.

They were making a veiled reference to the all talk and no action I guess. The thing is that Tiger is the toughest guy out there, physically and mentally. He works harder than everyone else and it shows. To compare anyone to Tiger is to compare them to a winner, but somehow in that guy's head it is a put down? So what makes the comparison a put down for this guy and crowd?

Here's something to chew on. McCain goes up and speaks to a black crowd about his love of MLK. Says he was wrong, says he made a mistake not voting for MLK's b-day as a national holiday. Okay, fine.

When Cunningham put down Obama, McCain went up there and questioned the guy in public. Where was his outrage with this fellow? Is it because this guy served in Iraq and McCain was afraid to question him? How can you speak to the black population that MLK was great, blah blah blah and NOT hold that Tiger Woods comment out as wrong? If I was McCain I'd have at least openly said that Woods is a great man and there is nothing wrong with him as a role model.

Further proof that McCain doesn't get it and I hope to the powers that be he is NOT the next prez.

You can have your Tiger Woods, we’ve got Sen. McCain.

Isn't this sort of like saying, "You can have your Superman, we’ve got Mr. Magoo"?

Norse @ 20:

For the record, Tiger Woods is cute, and I am a mostly heterosexual white guy.

There. Fixed it for you. ;)

i think he's going for the fuzzy zoeller crowd with that one. Next he'll be advising obama not to have fried chicken at his inauguration dinner.

continue to call em out on these racist (no matter how clumsy they might be) remarks by mKKKain's supporters. i wanna watch him squirm trying to distance himself from the comments of hagee, falwell, etc.

He's basically saying that Tiger Woods and Barrack Obama are loved first for being black and second for their accomplishments. He's basically playing the brave soul who's willing to point out that if there was no political correctness you'd naturally vote republican. We wouldn't want to talk about the substance of character now would we?

P.D. @ 43:

There were a lot of young men in that crowd. Are any of them in the military? Have they sacrificed anything for this war? Then, by all means dudes, join the military! McCain will take care of you!

actually, i think most there were ex-military

AndrewK @ 42:

He's basically saying that Tiger Woods and Barrack Obama are loved first for being black and second for their accomplishments. He's basically playing the brave soul who's willing to point out that if there was no political correctness you'd naturally vote republican. We wouldn't want to talk about the substance of character now would we?

huh?

is this sarcasm?

Samson, Your right. I just went on their web-site. I stand corrected.

You have Tiger Woods,we have General Buck Turgidson.

Don Davis @ 45:

Forget Tiger Woods, Experts Compare John McCain to John Daly

Now wait a minute. Daly IS my favorite golfer. The John Kruk of golf...

BLACK PEOPLE, you know what that comment was. i'm chicano and the comment made me cringe remembering all the vague references in the past that were directed my way. But maybe we need to make some lemonade here. With that comment out there, there is no sitting on the fence. Just as the ultra conservative self avowed homosexual Andrew, can't remember the last name, had to get off the fence when all of the negativity and hypocrisy of this admin surfaced with regard to homosexuals, now African Americans cannot pretend that this admin welcomes them and wants them to join their party for anything but their vote. If Condoleeza does accept the VP nomination if offered, I can only hope that WE all can see beyond voting for her because of color or gender. She has shown her true colors over the past 8 years.

If he is a SSgt, how did he treat other service members? The comment was way out of line. A person of Authority is one to be trusted, not to use incendiary remarks.

The comment is blatantly racist, there's no way around it. McCain can't separate himself from the commenter because he hugged him within minutes of the speech.

This was a dog-whistle if I've ever heard one.

Why is this a racist statement? The surroundings:

1. Bellavia's voice and demeanor showed a gain of anxiety as he rose to the "stinger" of his speech, the Tiger dig. Watch overt racists speak and it's a strikingly similar phenomenon. They seem to pride themselves in their bravery to "say what needs to be said" in language that in polite company would be reviled.

2. The crowd's reaction. It was a white version of "Oh girl, no you di-int!" If it wasn't a racist comment, they would have soberly clapped and that would have been it. But it reeked of sensationalism and a mixed sense of awe, surprise, and approval.

3. Why Tiger? Because he's mixed? Because he's black but "acts white?" If you want my opinion, it's because Tiger Woods is the only black person in America that you can be sure every white person is aware of. And even though Tiger is a "safe" black man that won't rape your white momma or steal your car, he is still seen in the eyes of racist white America as a threat. Obama is the nonviolent black threat to the white holders of American power like Tiger is the nonviolent black threat to 100 years of white Masters winners.

The fact that McCain smiled, laughed, HUGGED, and generally approved of all this tells you all the story you need to know.

Racism blows. So do Republicans.

nonbeliever @ 58:

The comment is blatantly racist, there's no way around it. McCain can't separate himself from the commenter because he hugged him within minutes of the speech.

I don't know about "blatant".
Maybe "insidious".It is racist in the way O'Reilly couldn't get over the well mannered eating habits of Blacks folks.

They didn't screw up the insult. It is duly noted: one one non-white guy is the same as the next and we don't care who they are as individuals because we're bigots who revel in our bigotry! Give us the white guy!! Woo hoo!!

And, please bear in mind that this is coming from a guy who recently served active duty military. If anyone thinks for one moment that the bigotry of individual military personnel doesn't become combined to affect the whole is seriously deluding themselves.

Tiger Woods aint black.

"I am Cabalasian" - tiger woods

this is the extent of the country club GOP's learning from george 'grand wizard' allen's macaca moment: when trying to disparage non-white people; when you are desperate to point out that they are not white; when you are trying to cause division, compare the person you are trying to discriminate against with someone 'safe'

but, really, this isn't very dif from the macaca moment.

that way, when your subtle racism is called out, you can claim that it was, actually, a compliment. perfect game plan there mccain.

today's GOP: subtle racism is to be expected

Zack @ 65:

If I were a racist redneck fuck, here's how I'd interpret it: "Naggers have just one worthwhile representative of their race they can be proud of, and it's Tiger Woods. Hardworking honest white folk like me can be most proud of John McCain." Then I'd celebrate by heading out to drink some moonshine and shine a few deer.

For some reason the quote that came to my mind after reading this was, "you shore got a purty mouth."

Well, thats fine. If the SSGT wants to make that comparison then I guess I could introduce John McCain as resembling uncle Fester.

ysbaddaden @ 69:

pinkobait @ 62:

nonbeliever @ 58:

The comment is blatantly racist, there's no way around it. McCain can't separate himself from the commenter because he hugged him within minutes of the speech.

I don't know about "blatant".
Maybe "insidious".It is racist in the way O'Reilly couldn't get over the well mannered eating habits of Blacks folks.

Yeah, where's my m****r f*****g iced tea!

Beat me to it! I love that line.

What's the bad thing Tiger Woods did in their eyes? Married a beautiful white woman. Drives pigs like Bellavia crazy.

There's an "Obama isn't Tiger Woods" thing going around, apparently

He’s basically saying that Tiger Woods and Barrack Obama are loved first for being black and second for their accomplishments.

So if Woods were white, he'd be a lousy golfer? He only makes putts because the greens give him a break?

I wouldn't waste too much time trying to figure out if it was baiting or not. The guy that said it is republican. Trying to figure them out is a waste of time. Even if you figure them out, then what? Shit stinks, republicans blurt, it's all the same ain't it?

abob @ 66:

Tiger Woods aint black.

"I am Cabalasian" - tiger woods

Poor Tiger. The Caucasian part of his heritage is incredibly small, but he put that first in his self-description because everyone wants to be more White than Black or Asian... at least in his American golf world affected opinion.

I don't think it was a racist comment... I think that Bellavia (sp?) was trying to say that his young sons won't emulate Tiger Woods, but rather men like John McCain as a role model.

Bellavia (sp?) just chose the wrong role model (list Tiger's accomplishments on the golf course and off... and that he married a European model, geez who would hate that?) and be more like "men like McCain."

It would have been better if Bellavia (sp?) had chosen John Daly, if he still wanted a golfer.

I think it's just (A) poor choice of example and (B) being a general idiot and simply insensitive. I like how slow the audience responded to Bellavia's comment.

It had to be a racial crack that backfired. It's true; reichwingers are so stupid they even fuck up insults. But let's think about this whole Obama/McInsane thing shall we? Let's see, we've got a young African American man who is at the top of his political game being compared to one of the greatest golfers to ever play the game (and he also happens to be a young, African American) while the GOP has a semi-senile 72 year old white guy who can't even keep his mouth or temper in check being compared to -uh - what?? An Alzheimer's inflicted Ronald Reagan???

Chris @ 83:

katie @ 60:

This was a dog-whistle if I've ever heard one.

Obama is the nonviolent black threat to the white holders of American power like Tiger is the nonviolent black threat to 100 years of white Masters winners.

Racism blows. So do Republicans.

So does ignorance:

The Masters have existed for 74 years, not 100. And previous winners include the non-violent black Asian Vijay Singh, unless you know something about Vijay's propensity for violence you want to share with the rest of us.

I believe what the poster was trying to convey is that Black males are often seen as potentially-violent regardless of the situation, and those that are not are the exception and not the rule.

Isnt Tiger Woods the best thing to happen to golf in decades? And comparing Barak Obama to him is supposed to be DISPARAGING? Im confused...

Is he getting Obama's bowling score confused with his own golf score?

sagra @ 78:

There's an "Obama isn't Tiger Woods" thing going around, apparently

Hoffa's comment helps make my point about "insidious"racism.

"Unfortunately for the Obama team, who might've been able to make some hay of McCain's intro, Teamsters prez James Hoffa mentioned Woods today on a call with reporters. When asked if PA voters -- translation PA's white working class voters -- were concerned about Obama's race, he said: "With regard to his race, he's African American. I know he's of mixed race, but, you know, he's like a Tiger Woods. He's just a great person that's really excited a lot of people. We're not detecting a lot of discussion about his religion or his race here."

Just as BillO thought he was saying something "enlightened" about race,Hoffa to falls into the trap.Its this kind of thinking that is hardest to eradicate.
That said,there could also be another level to this thing.(given its repetition)
Having thought things through some more,I can see how the comparison might draw "political blood".I think there is a certain amount of resentment out there that a Black man is utterly dominating the world of golf,a game heretofore thought of as predominately white.Its not hard to see how this resentment could be manipulated.
The GOP do excel at this kind of thing.

Obviously this mushbrain isn't aware that Tiger's father, Earl Woods, was a Vietnam vet and former Green Beret. I would think McCain did, however. Surprising. Someone should play Tiger the quote and see what he thinks.

pinkobait @ 73:

ysbaddaden @ 69:

pinkobait @ 62:

nonbeliever @ 58:

I don't know about "blatant".
Maybe "insidious".It is racist in the way O'Reilly couldn't get over the well mannered eating habits of Blacks folks.

Yeah, where's my m****r f*****g iced tea!

bingo.

I disagree. By likening Obama to Woods, Bellavia's intent was quite clear.

Chris @ 83:

katie @ 60:

This was a dog-whistle if I've ever heard one.

Obama is the nonviolent black threat to the white holders of American power like Tiger is the nonviolent black threat to 100 years of white Masters winners.

Racism blows. So do Republicans.

So does ignorance:

The Masters have existed for 74 years, not 100. And previous winners include the non-violent black Asian Vijay Singh, unless you know something about Vijay's propensity for violence you want to share with the rest of us.

Oh whatever, you ninny. I'm sorry I haven't researched the Masters to your satisfaction, but "ignorance" is a little strong. 100 is a round number and white America is not nearly as scared of darker Asians as they are of any shade of Black. Thanks for your concern.

Thanks IH for getting and reiterating my point.

Left&Left @ 59:

AndrewK @ 42:

He's basically saying that Tiger Woods and Barrack Obama are loved first for being black and second for their accomplishments. He's basically playing the brave soul who's willing to point out that if there was no political correctness you'd naturally vote republican. We wouldn't want to talk about the substance of character now would we?

Yeah right. There was nothing complimentary in that racist goof's statement. Brave soul? You must be out of your fucking mind! That fool was simply an idiotic race carder throwing red meat to Johnny's like minded followers.

Or I am being sarcastic.

Chris @ 83:

katie @ 60:

This was a dog-whistle if I've ever heard one.

Obama is the nonviolent black threat to the white holders of American power like Tiger is the nonviolent black threat to 100 years of white Masters winners.

Racism blows. So do Republicans.

So does ignorance:

The Masters have existed for 74 years, not 100. And previous winners include the non-violent black Asian Vijay Singh, unless you know something about Vijay's propensity for violence you want to share with the rest of us.

By the way, Vijay is from Fiji. And, though his complexion is dark I have never heard of ethnic Indians or Asians describe themselves as 'black'. Black denotes African ancestry, not color, and they don't do that.

Right-wingers are still pissed off about Tiger Woods.

I think he was just saying that Obama is like Tiger Woods in that we all expect him to totally beat McCain by about 20 strokes in November.

Jay @ 104:

Oh please...
Point being, 1) lets not look for racism when there is none...it just makes you look foolish...

Actually feigning blindness to racism doesn't make it go away.

Ronald Reagan's made up Black welfare queen is a notable example of how pretending racism isn't there when it is just makes one look absolutely ridiculous and in the instance of politics that affect the entire country it is bad for all of us.

Maybe it's me, but that just doesn't seem like that big a bad ol insult...Given who this supposed slight is directed against and the comparison itself... Comparing a presidential candidate to a champion golfer of the same general ethnic makeup...
i.e. mixed race.... Kind of like someone trying to insult me by comparing me to some other white dude who happens to be good at some sport. Maybe Brett Favre or something like that.. Maybe they're a little unclear on that whole insult concept thing or something...Overall, pretty vapid crap.... The only reason I'm commenting at all, is it just strikes me as funny in a goofy sort of way... I guess anything is better for the RNC types then focussing on their self created lameass clusterfuck or the moron they hitched their wagons too seven plus years ago....JD

Oh he wants a piece of our Redneck comparisons does he: How about this you jerkoff:

-It's kinda like saying "Well the Liberal Left has Hollywood and we have.. Jeff Gannon, Ted Haggard, Bill O'Reilly, Trent Lott, David Drier, Larry Craig, David Vitter, Tom Foley..etcetera.. oh... and this jewel, Arthur Finkelstein. A particularly powerful and nasty GOP operative who after he was revealed to be gay, married his partner in Massachusetts was driven out and now manages dirty elections in Romania.

Yer in over yer head, ....son!

Jay @ 116:

Isome Hussein @ 111:

Jay @ 104:

Oh please...
Point being, 1) lets not look for racism when there is none...it just makes you look foolish...

Actually feigning blindness to racism doesn't make it go away.

Ronald Reagan's made up Black welfare queen is a notable example of how pretending racism isn't there when it is just makes one look absolutely ridiculous and in the instance of politics that affect the entire country it is bad for all of us.

Yes, but repeating an opinion over and over again does not make it fact. I''m sure most on the progressive side of things believe everyone who would vote for McCain is an overt racist, but it just isnt true. I understand your and others reasons for thinking it. Its nice to feel you are morally superior to those you disagree with politically. Makes your point of view infallible in your eyes. problem is, the other side uses the same tactic.
Feining blindness to racism is one thing, but feigning racism where there is none is even worse. There's real racism in this country.
This isnt it.

You are correct, Jay. McCain is not an overt racist. I've never heard him say any racial slurs himself. That's why he has people to do it for him.

Rest assured, that men like Sen. McCain will be the goal and the men that my two young boys will emulate and admire. [sic] You can have your Tiger Woods, we’ve got Sen. McCain

Funny, cuz what I heard was:

"Rest assured that men like Senator McCain will be the, the, ghoul, and uh, the the the men that my two young boys will emulate and admire. You can have your Tiger Woods; we've got Senator McCain."

The only thing that SilentPatriot and I could come up with is that it’s a vaguely racial comment

Vaguely racial is right. Like others here, I could try to make sense of the comment. (Tiger Woods is known mainly for being interracial and playing a good game. That's Obama. Admired for being interracial, and playing a good political game, but with no real political substance.) But it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to make sense. In fact, the more "vaguely racial" the better the Republican move. They just have to refer to race somehow, thereby winking and nodding to the racists in their base and elicit indignation from Democrats, all the while maintaining plausible deniability that the comment was genuinely racist. That way, the racists will be reminded to vote, and the noise machine will remind everyone else that racism is dead in all but uppity Democrats' heads.

oldtree @ 7:

The comment appears overtly racial. You evaluate where the comment was made, when, how, why.... and you can see it is clearly another shot in the race war that has begun. Someone doesn't come on the TV and just accidently compare the honkey to a spade guys?
Did anyone attend the Watts Riots? The Detroit Mayhem? The Rodney King show? Don't for a moment think that this isn't what is going to be the theme of the campaign. McCain is not even qualified to run for the office, but he is going to be their nominee. Do you get it yet?

Get it yet? Of course. This is what they've been planning from the get go. Smearing and dirty tricks is what the Republicans do best. It's arguably the only thing they do well at all these days. If Clinton is the nominee, the comments will be vaguely (or overtly) sexist. If Edwards had been nominated, they'd have figured out a way to smear him too, in ugly, disgusting, despicable, Republican style.

FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 15:

The only black people the repugs can recruit are just as stoopid and crooked as they are.

There's a basic rule with Republicans: If a Republican accuses you of, or simply condemns, something, that Republican is the foremost practitioner of that something.

It works for affirmative action too. The kind of affirmative action they complain about (quotas, hiring undeserving minorities just because they're minorities and at the expense of qualified white people) is the kind of affirmative action they practice. It's how they replaced Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas. It's how they found Alberto Gonzalez and Conartista Rice.

And you can bet that if Rice actually is the VeeP choice, she'll be out there noting how she isn't offended in the slightest every time one of these "vaguely racist" comments is made.

katie @ 60 <---- Best comment in the thread.

pinkobait @ 118:

Jay @ 112:

Jay @ 110:

AndrewK @ 108:

it's only distinctly overt if you want it to be.

o'Reilly's comment in the NYC restaurant concerning how surprised he was was an "Overtly" racist remark. This was not. This is a textbook definition of "reading too much into it".

So you are absolutely 100 per cent certain race was not a factor?
Hmm..must be nice to live in a world where everything is so...*cough* "black and white".

Yawn....

No, in my world evrything is rarely b/w because some jackass is always trying to mix it up for their own purposes.... No one is saying racism doesnt exist. i'm saying this is a pretty far reaching example of it.....

But hey, continue to mix the colors....here's a brush...real racism....

http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=889&...

katie @ 120:

Contiunued to Jay @ 116 (I hit "submit" accidentally):

Not everyone who votes for McCain is racist either. But there ARE racists in this country, and when it comes down to Obama v. McCain, they will not be voting for Obama.

Certainly there are.

You know what I find the most ironic? I live in the midwest in a community with pretty diverse economics. There is quite a block of union voters in this area. (Steelworkers, UAW are both huge here) I remember sitting at a bar with some of the representitive of the bunch back in 04. While these guys loved to watch CNN, more than one of them made the comment about how they werent voting in the senate race that year becasue they werent going to vote for a N&*^%r like Obama. Even more were completely disturbed when Bush 43 chose Rice to be SecState...not because she was a neocon, not becasue she was a woman, but because she was BLACK.

So, what i'm saying here is there is real racism in this country. funny thing is, it's mostly practiced by "loyal" Dems in my neck of the woods. Pretty sure those union guys I was referring to will probably have their heads explode with the choice of a Republican or "that black guy".

Ballavia was doing what a lot of white people do--lump people of color together. Interesting, though, that he chose Woods. If the similarity he saw was their mixed-race status, then it may be an early instance of a phenomenon coming up, that is, the fracturing of race in the national psyche.

Macon D

http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/

Karen @ 124:

Jay @ 121:

pinkobait @ 118:

Jay @ 112:

So you are absolutely 100 per cent certain race was not a factor?
Hmm..must be nice to live in a world where everything is so...*cough* "black and white".

Yawn....

No, in my world evrything is rarely b/w because some jackass is always trying to mix it up for their own purposes.... No one is saying racism doesnt exist. i'm saying this is a pretty far reaching example of it.....

But hey, continue to mix the colors....here's a brush...real racism....

http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=889&Itemid=2

Certainly, racism comes in many forms, some far more insidious and dangerous than others. To be sure, Bellavia's silly comment is not on par with physically beating an Iranian woman for being Iranian. Of course, O'Reilly's comment doesn't come close to physically beating someone for her race or ethnicity either, but you are willing to label that as "overtly racist."

If we acknowledge that there are degrees and gradations of "racism," could you elaborate on why you think this comment doesn't fall anywhere on the scale? Why would anyone possibly denigrate Obama by comparing him to Woods if the common denominator of their interracial backgrounds is taken out of the equation?

I did...comment #104

"all black people have rhythm"...

that is a compliment, right? no way that could be considered an insult, right? i mean, it is a positive thought, right?

i view this obama/woods the same way.

discrimination is discrimination. unless you are of the opinion that he chose to compare obama to woods by mere coincidence and not b/c of their race--and, if that is the case, can i interest you in some enron stock?

today's GOP: constantly looking for new ways to discriminate

Jay @ 123:

katie @ 120:

Contiunued to Jay @ 116 (I hit "submit" accidentally):

Not everyone who votes for McCain is racist either. But there ARE racists in this country, and when it comes down to Obama v. McCain, they will not be voting for Obama.

Certainly there are.

You know what I find the most ironic? I live in the midwest in a community with pretty diverse economics. There is quite a block of union voters in this area. (Steelworkers, UAW are both huge here) I remember sitting at a bar with some of the representitive of the bunch back in 04. While these guys loved to watch CNN, more than one of them made the comment about how they werent voting in the senate race that year becasue they werent going to vote for a N&*^%r like Obama. Even more were completely disturbed when Bush 43 chose Rice to be SecState...not because she was a neocon, not becasue she was a woman, but because she was BLACK.

So, what i'm saying here is there is real racism in this country. funny thing is, it's mostly practiced by "loyal" Dems in my neck of the woods. Pretty sure those union guys I was referring to will probably have their heads explode with the choice of a Republican or "that black guy".

Racism is "mostly practiced by "loyal" Dems?" I get in trouble for this a lot around here, but this smells awfully trollish to me. I seriously doubt that the number of racist union workers outnumbers (or ever comes within spitting distance of) the number of racist Republicans. If your "neck of the woods" is as openly racist as you say it is, I (and polls) can assure you the rest of the Democrats in this country are not following that lead. You have your ideas and you're sticking to them, no matter what the reality, so I end my discussion with you here. Have a cookie and a nice day.

Jay @ 123:

katie @ 120:

Contiunued to Jay @ 116 (I hit "submit" accidentally):

Not everyone who votes for McCain is racist either. But there ARE racists in this country, and when it comes down to Obama v. McCain, they will not be voting for Obama.

Certainly there are.

You know what I find the most ironic? I live in the midwest in a community with pretty diverse economics. There is quite a block of union voters in this area. (Steelworkers, UAW are both huge here) I remember sitting at a bar with some of the representitive of the bunch back in 04. While these guys loved to watch CNN, more than one of them made the comment about how they werent voting in the senate race that year becasue they werent going to vote for a N&*^%r like Obama. Even more were completely disturbed when Bush 43 chose Rice to be SecState...not because she was a neocon, not becasue she was a woman, but because she was BLACK.

So, what i'm saying here is there is real racism in this country. funny thing is, it's mostly practiced by "loyal" Dems in my neck of the woods. Pretty sure those union guys I was referring to will probably have their heads explode with the choice of a Republican or "that black guy".

thanks jay, that helps me ferret this out a bit better.

there are true racists. definitely. given.

and the GOP needs to reach them, as a voting block. but, how do you that covertly? how, in a televised rally, can you still bring up the fact that obama is of mixed race and try to appear to be 'complimenting' the guy? well, i think we have seen how.

i don't know if mccain is racist. something tells me he isn't (but i have NO idea, never looked into it), but you can bet your bottom dollar than charlie black (coinkeeedink of a name) and the other mccain puppeteers are trying to figure out how to get the 'racist vote', of BOTH parties. that is how i view this incident.

Apropos of nothink?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCkkwNxpcbY

Karen @ 132:

Jay @ 127:

Karen @ 124:

Jay @ 121:

If we acknowledge that there are degrees and gradations of "racism," could you elaborate on why you think this comment doesn't fall anywhere on the scale? Why would anyone possibly denigrate Obama by comparing him to Woods if the common denominator of their interracial backgrounds is taken out of the equation?

I did...comment #104

Jay @ 104:

Oh please...

Reading "into" this suggests that the reference to Woods suggested Obama was popular for being a pop culture icon, which hardly makes him qualified to be president, and McCain is full of "substance" instead. This person obviously was drawing a comparison and making a contarst btw Obama's "Hype" and McCain's "Experience".

Racist comment....LOL!

This "obvious" reference to hype versus experience uses the analogy that Woods is all hype in golf? So the comment had nothing whatsoever to do with Woods' interracial background, and everything to do with Bellavia's complete ignorance of Woods' accomplishments in professional golf?

The comparison simply makes no sense without considering Woods' race. I don't understand why Woods would be chosen as the point of reference for pure "hype" without considering his interracial background.

Let me add that I agree that the thrust of the comment was indeed a reference to Obama's being a pop icon rather than a man of experience, and thus his lack of qualifications to be president. (I alluded to that in my first comment.) But the choice of Tiger Woods for the analogy is motivated by race. The fact that they are both multi-racial could not have been a coincidence in Bellavia's mind.

And again, that's not the kind of racism that evinces hatred for members of other races. Instead it is the vague association many people have in the backs of their heads that just manages perniciously to creep its way into politics and life in general, especially when referenced during campaigns.

Even though the right wingnuts attempts at thinly veiled submoronic insults are getting more and more ridiculous by the day....

If we're comparing Candidates to Golfers...

Then McSame is part John Daly (minus talent) & part Greg Norman (his ability to take something and make it nothing)

Take Daly's problems & mix it with Norman's inability to get things done....and you have John McBush...

Oh...and you don't have to wait....the KKK has already endorsed McSame.....

A tradition like no other....no....not 'The Masters'....the racist vote for republicans...a staple since 1965

First, there is rocky/hillary
now there mcLame vs Tiger

Either way, Barack is represented by a winner.

You can NEVER underestimate the low repug IQ.
or their lack of morals
or their lack of class.

Dude seemed a little angry as he introduced the turtle McSame.

But now that I think of it, I would be pissed if I had to introduce McSame to a crowd somewhere...

...unless I could say what I really feel him...that would make me happy.

Until that group of "Christians" attacked me because they don't like my opinion. (being the very Christ-like group they are)

Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 144:

Overheard on Fox News:

"The only way Obama is going to lose is if they take him into a back alley and lynch him."

would that be before or after OLIElly lynches Mrs. Obama?

Benefit of doubt

I'm guessing he was talking about the Masters this weekend. McCain got a special invite to play alongside Tiger maybe?