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The media-manufactured controversies over Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, aren't going to go away if the media can help it. It's much easier to talk about them than admit to propagandists on your booking lists. Rev. Wright agreed to his first public interview, and will be on Bill Moyer's Journal, which will air this evening on PBS. But advance video has the punditocracy a-twitter with the meme that Wright "throws" Obama under the bus. But the media also has a history of purposefully taking Wright's words out of context.

However, take a closer look at that panel assembled. Joe Watkins (introduced as Rev. Watkins, as he holds a divinity degree), who has worked for the Dan Quayle, Bush 41 and the current president, Kevin Madden, whose last gig was as Mitt Romney's spokesman as well as working on Bush's 2000 campaign and Lawrence O'Donnell, the lone Democrat, who formerly worked for Patrick Moynihan and was the Chief of Staff for the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works before jumping to Hollywood and The West Wing and Big Love. Could the deck be stacked any further against anything Wright says? Watch as Madden and Watkins slam Obama by attributing words that Wright did not say, much to the frustration of O'Donnell.

This is great. He’s not using those words and every pundit on TV talking about this wants to force those words into Rev. Wright’s mouth. He’s not using them so we’re pretending he’s using them.

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ysbaddaden's picture

Herein lies why I think politicians should keep the hell away from religion.

Jim's picture

Surely there will be ample, balanced coverage of Grampa McCain's psychotic pastor on tonight's show.

helenahandbasket's picture

Obama frustrates the hard core g.o.p.ers, much in the same way that Reagan frustrated the hard core Democrats.

radiationmonitor's picture

Only three words matter.

L.A. Confidential's picture

What is this show a spiffed up version of Court TeeVee?

groucho's picture

Wright is soooo radical that when Bill Clinton (I"m not a Clinton hater, keep reading) had his Monica moment, he asked a minister to come in for spiritual healing. Guess who that minister was...Wright!! It's verifiable, check it out.
Why does Hillary attack Obama with this, and why doesn't he call her out on it?

Jim's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 6:

What is this show a spiffed up version of Court TeeVee?

Pretty much. Although Mr. Dan Abrams is far easier on the eyes than Nancy Grace or Starr Jones.

frenchfries's picture

Okay, now why on earth does Moyers interview Wright, in the first place??! This thing was finally dying down for good - and there he goes and gives Wright a platform!

Of couse, the MSM is jumping on it. But that's their game, and Moyers knows it. Wright could have said ANYTHING, even something less damaging than this, and the Librul Media would have had a party with it.

Is it Wright throwing Obama under the bus here, or Moyers? WTF!

pickles's picture

This is truly insane and there's nothing anyone can do to diffuse the sitch because it's grist for the mill for so many (repugs, advertisers and networks filling the time with there babble-logue). However, hearing Obama supporters say, as I have, that Bill Moyers is evil is really, really sad.

It's Me's picture

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The Dude's picture

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lvogt's picture

Further evidence that it doesn't matter what Obama or any Democrat does or says the right-wing has no scruples and will say ANYTHING they want without regard for the truth or reason because they have learned that most of their constituents are to stupid to know the difference.

McCain the Liar's picture

When all else fails, lie. Thats the GOP game plan. Nothing new about this. They now claim Wright said something he clearly did not.

Just use the McCain method of not answering the question and point out how McCain must apologize for Reverend Hagee's remarks.

The press will get tired of it once their ratings bottom out.

Blue Lensman's picture

StevePam @ 12:

groucho @ 7:

Wright is soooo radical that when Bill Clinton (I"m not a Clinton hater, keep reading) had his Monica moment, he asked a minister to come in for spiritual healing. Guess who that minister was...Wright!! It's verifiable, check it out.
Why does Hillary attack Obama with this, and why doesn't he call her out on it?

Why doesn't he call her out on this?

Because than he would be just like her.

pissed off patricia's picture

All of this talk about wright may backfire on them. The only people still lapping it up are the people who wouldn't vote for Obama if Jesus appeared on the campaign trail with him. The general public has already made up their mind about how much this will influence their vote and I'm thinking they are now sick of hearing about it.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy's picture

StevePam @ 3:

Manufactured stories from MSM.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Wake up!

This IS a story that is REAL and should be brought up!

Youtube Hillary Clinton Peter Paul

ya....have ya noticed that the peter paul story has never got any traction?

if there is any doubt that the right wants hillary as the nominee, just look to the lack of even one story about the peter paul case

L.A. Confidential's picture

Jim @ 8:

L.A. Confidential @ 6:

What is this show a spiffed up version of Court TeeVee?

Pretty much. Although Mr. Dan Abrams is far easier on the eyes than Nancy Grace or Starr Jones.

It's estimated that people waste one third of a lifetime watching TV these days.

They usually don't realize it until it's to late.

It's Me's picture

Lawrence O'Donnel may not think being written off as just another "politician" who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes isn't pulling the sheep's clothing off the wolf, but that isn't the way the Obama camp has hoped to spin the ANTI-"politician" concept into a central narrative of their campaign for gullible rubes out there.

Thank you, Reverend Wright. Exposing Obama as no different from every other hack politician who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes might be the most important sermon you've ever given.

Dgeorg77's picture

Jim @ 2:

Surely there will be ample, balanced coverage of Grampa McCain's psychotic pastor on tonight's show.

Don't count on it.

StevePam's picture

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pinkobait's picture

Well its settled then.
There's simply no way Reverend Wright can win the Presidency.

Bonkers Hussein's picture

Smart people prevaricating their asses off. Grrreat teevee. Greeeeat public discourse.

[tosses up a handful of copier paper in exasperation for dramatic effect]

It's Me @ 20:

Lawrence O'Donnel may not think being written off as just another "politician" who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes isn't pulling the sheep's clothing off the wolf, but that isn't the way the Obama camp has hoped to spin the ANTI-"politician" concept into a central narrative of their campaign for gullible rubes out there.

Thank you, Reverend Wright. Exposing Obama as no different from every other hack politician who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes might be the most important sermon you've ever given.

So you like Wright now? Interesting.

Bonkers Hussein's picture

pinkobait @ 23:

Well its settled then.
There's simply no way Reverend Wright can win the Presidency.

LOL

pissed off patricia's picture

Bonkers Hussein @ 24:

Smart people prevaricating their asses off. Grrreat teevee. Greeeeat public discourse.

[tosses up a handful of copier paper in exasperation for dramatic effect]

Um, you are going to pick that paper up aren't you? We gotta keep this place tidy.

Vic's picture

A piece of an interview is presented as a teaser to encourage people to watch, and the teaser is getting the sound bite treatment. The analysis has begun before the entire interview is aired. Give me a break! Listen to the entire interview tonight, then comment.

Death Star's picture

WW1 2 korea, Japan attacking China, Vietnam are all on the table. Until the internet became viotal we were being slaughter across the board for lame brain reasons like communism, The elite just aren't smart enough to change thier game plan. The entire evil scheme is now come to light. For those still in the dark watch Endgame on google video. Good starting point then look at Power of Night mares. You will never be the same.

L.A. Confidential's picture

The media fuels controversy to "hook viewers".

Works like a charm.

StevePam's picture

pissed off patricia @ 25:

It's Me @ 20:

Lawrence O'Donnel may not think being written off as just another "politician" who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes isn't pulling the sheep's clothing off the wolf, but that isn't the way the Obama camp has hoped to spin the ANTI-"politician" concept into a central narrative of their campaign for gullible rubes out there.

Thank you, Reverend Wright. Exposing Obama as no different from every other hack politician who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes might be the most important sermon you've ever given.

So you like Wright now? Interesting.

lol.

[deleted--STOP SPAMMING the same link on EVERY thread. ~Site Monitor]

L.A. Confidential's picture

Bonkers Hussein @ 24:

Smart people prevaricating their asses off. Grrreat teevee. Greeeeat public discourse.

[tosses up a handful of copier paper in exasperation for dramatic effect]

Most people will defend TV before they will your and my subtle clues about the hideous nature of it.

Blue Lensman's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 19:

Jim @ 8:

L.A. Confidential @ 6:

What is this show a spiffed up version of Court TeeVee?

Pretty much. Although Mr. Dan Abrams is far easier on the eyes than Nancy Grace or Starr Jones.

It's estimated that people waste one third of a lifetime watching TV these days.

They usually don't realize it until it's to late.

And what fraction of each day are you wasting in front of the computer?

cowboyneok's picture

Speaking of propaganda media, why is it okay for Rush Limbaugh to incite riots at the Democratic Convention in Denver? He is calling on his listeners to riot in Denver during the convention and THAT is illegal!

I think we, as concerned citizens, should write the Colorado Attorney General, at the following provided link, and complain and ask that Rush be prosecuted for inciting riots:

http://www.ago.state.co.us/contact_us.cfm

getalife's picture

Its a train wreck for Obama.

Not to worry, he will go on Fox News and fix it.

Drink the kool aid and don't worry.

Bwa.

diamondmc's picture

All this bullshit over Rev Wright saying "goddamn america", well I say "goddamn america". Goddamn america for being so stupid to make any kind of a vote for or against Obama because of what a minister said in his sermon. With a endless war, no jobs, loss of a home, economy in the toilet, Irag vets committing suicide at historic rates, waterboarding ect, ect., and people will base their vote on what Rev Wright say's? Rev Wright is right...Goddamn America.

StirFry's picture

Yeah, McCain's spiritual advisor Hagee and his ilk are completely sane and should be ignored. Hagee will make sure McCain is rapture ready.

ezpz's picture

Don't you just love how no one, and I mean NO ONE refers to Rev Wright without the adjective "controversial" or without Obama's name attached:
"Senator Obama's *controversial* pastor"
God forbid they should just say "Reverand Wright", like they do with other (white) pastors.

I so hate the msm.
They keep saying this won't go away. Hello?? It won't go away because they are keeping it alive with their own obsession and determination to use it to smear Obama AND Reverand Wright.

Others have said it well - Reverand Wright is the 'permission slip' to not vote for the *Black* candidate that they wouldn't have voted for in the first place. It gives the racists legitimacy, compliments of msm.

Ugh!!!!

Rusty Shackleford's picture

ezpz @ 37:

Others have said it well - Reverand Wright is the 'permission slip' to not vote for the *Black* candidate that they wouldn't have voted for in the first place. It gives the racists legitimacy, compliments of msm.

Agree 100%.

It's Me's picture

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Don's picture

Well, here's one thing I've asked some people: "You say that Obama's "crime" was he stayed in the church for 20 years listening to Rev. Wright's sermons". Now, Obama has said he wasn't there for the
things we hear on the "Rev. Wright's Greatest Bits" DVD....So, please tell me exactly what things did Obama hear Wright say during these 20 years that constitute grounds for expecting him to have left the church? What are they?" Nada to date. Meaning, of course, they'd have to go through, I suspect, a lot of audio tapes to find here and there something....which I see no evidence of it having been done.
Let alone, of course, agreeing on if what they find is really all that horrendous....(and yes, I am also thinking here of Hilary, who made that exact statement about the 20 years....)

Dr. Acula's picture

Nor does the MSM mention that Wright is Obama's former minister. Instead, he's referred to as Obama's minister.

This.Country.Is.So.Fucked.It's.Not.Even.Funny.

Dr. Acula @ 204:

BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 186:

pissed off patricia @ 182:

MargeAggedon @ 177:

Me too, especially right now. This is not the time to let Fox force him into a gotcha moment.

who are obama's 'advisors'?

WTF is going on w/Obama? Is he in meltdown? Notice how the lame stream media is turning their support to the "inevitable" Hillary?

actually, the pattern is that the lameys go all out against the democratic frontrunner while bashing the other one for good measure. that's why it was important to remove the other five candidates, leaving america with a choice between two who not white men. thus america is left with two dems who are 'risky' choices, i.e., not white men. hillary was demonized for her womanhood and barack is demonized for blackness. pure rove.

Left&Left's picture

I painfully watched those three goofs triple team O'Donnell last night, doing their best to keep this shit alive. That Rev.(?) Watkins has to be some racist white guy in blackface the way he carries the bigots water for them.

living-abomination's picture

You know whats really screwed up is that Rev. Wright was a Marine, and in the Navy, and on the medical team for LBJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Education_and_military_service) - this is yet another instance of Republicans going after former military personnel (Murtha, Kerry, etc.). It goes to show you, republicans love their country, but not enough to defend it or show gratitude towards those that do.

If republicans hate America so much they should just leave and go to China or North Korea where they can live in the totalitarian paradise they so strongly crave. I'm not even kidding, if republicans are so unhappy here they should just get out and leave us alone to enjoy our liberties and freedoms in peace without their incessant whining and lying.

Terrible's picture

"pretending"

That's the state of our current MSM summed up in one word!

StevePam's picture

StevePam @ 30:

pissed off patricia @ 25:

It's Me @ 20:

Lawrence O'Donnel may not think being written off as just another "politician" who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes isn't pulling the sheep's clothing off the wolf, but that isn't the way the Obama camp has hoped to spin the ANTI-"politician" concept into a central narrative of their campaign for gullible rubes out there.

Thank you, Reverend Wright. Exposing Obama as no different from every other hack politician who simply says what he has to say as a politician regardless of what he actually believes might be the most important sermon you've ever given.

So you like Wright now? Interesting.

lol.

[deleted--STOP SPAMMING the same link on EVERY thread. ~Site Monitor]

Go back and LOOK it's NOT all the same link and I WILL put it on!
[Helpful hint, buddy. Challenging the site team is not a good idea.]

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die)'s picture

Blue Lensman @ 32:

L.A. Confidential @ 19:

Jim @ 8:

L.A. Confidential @ 6:

Pretty much. Although Mr. Dan Abrams is far easier on the eyes than Nancy Grace or Starr Jones.

It's estimated that people waste one third of a lifetime watching TV these days.

They usually don't realize it until it's to late.

And what fraction of each day are you wasting in front of the computer?

On the net and blogging, at least you are interacting. The TV is entirely passive.

Commercial TV has one purpose, to sell things, the programs are just filler for the commercials.

The filler is not driven by any great sense of reality or purpose to reveal truths, only the producer's conjecture of what will draw the most eyeballs and numb the most minds.

It is extremely corrupted and corrupting.

We have ads on the net as well, and one person here, at least, complaining , but I suspect the jury is out as to how effective they are.

What happens if they are shown to be ineffective is an interesting question.

My TV has not been on for five years.

liberAL's picture

I have lost respect for Dan Abrams as well. He was just as obsessed with the story of Rev. Wright on Moyers as the others, with exception of O'Donnell. O'Donnell tried to inject some reason into the discussion by saying the other two panelists were putting words into Wright's mouth that he DID NOT say. And Abrams was enjoying going along with the two who were bashing Wright and Obama. And sure enough, not to disappoint, the msm is repeating the things that Watkins, Madden and Abrams were saying last night. The msm doesn't care who gets elected, just so they can make a story out of it.

bilhelm-hussein-X's picture

Why America is fucked, episode 800 (this retarded show, with the over-excitable pipsqueek host who doesn't let his idiot guests finish their stupid and useless points before squeeking again). Just the host of this show is more annoying than Hillary Clinton, the lies are almost equal though.

StevePam's picture

[deleted--it's called off-topic spamming and it violates the commenting policy. Grow up, stop whining and post on topic.]

Ted's picture

What a bunch of d*cks! Paraphrasing a quote until it says what you want it to say!

ezpz's picture

liberAL @ 49:

I have lost respect for Dan Abrams as well. He was just as obsessed with the story of Rev. Wright on Moyers as the others, with exception of O'Donnell. O'Donnell tried to inject some reason into the discussion by saying the other two panelists were putting words into Wright's mouth that he DID NOT say. And Abrams was enjoying going along with the two who were bashing Wright and Obama. And sure enough, not to disappoint, the msm is repeating the things that Watkins, Madden and Abrams were saying last night. The msm doesn't care who gets elected, just so they can make a story out of it.

Actually, I think they DO care who gets elected, which is why they are trying to take down the likely Democratic nominee every which way they can.
They did it to Howard Dean and they're trying it again, except this time they won't succeed.

They like the status quo with their tax cuts and war profiteering and feel threatened by Obama just as they did by Dean. Let's not forget that MS/NBC is owned by GE and they ain't just appliances anymore..
The one show that was canceled prior to the invasion of Iraq was Phil Donahue, who was the lone opposing anti/war voice on the msm.

The solution to this will be when their ratings go down (and they will) to the level that they lose many of their sponsors.
Only we, the (non)viewing public, can make this happen.

Turn off the tv. Change the channel. Cancel cable en masse.

fedupto57's picture

pickles @ 10:

This is truly insane and there's nothing anyone can do to diffuse the sitch because it's grist for the mill for so many (repugs, advertisers and networks filling the time with there babble-logue). However, hearing Obama supporters say, as I have, that Bill Moyers is evil is really, really sad.

are u sure they were obama supporters? or someone try to make something out of nothing. and as for the interview . i think i'll watch before passing judgemetn. for those blaming mr moyer for reviving the story evidently forgot about the ads running in NC.

ricksramblings's picture

Rev. Wrights chickens are coming home to roost! The great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well. 40 shootings this past week 13 murders. How well did Barack Obama bring people together what problems did he solve in the South Side? Perhaps the hate filled "I'm a victim" speeches of Rev. Wright manifest themselves in violence throughout the community? Perhaps we should look a litter closer at Obama's claim he brought people together as a community organizer?

grewg's picture

diamondmc @ 36:

All this bullshit over Rev Wright saying "goddamn america", well I say "goddamn america". Goddamn america for being so stupid to make any kind of a vote for or against Obama because of what a minister said in his sermon. With a endless war, no jobs, loss of a home, economy in the toilet, Irag vets committing suicide at historic rates, waterboarding ect, ect., and people will base their vote on what Rev Wright say's? Rev Wright is right...Goddamn America.

And fuck Pennsylvania too. (the so called blue collar workers - I call them rednecks) They would rather send their kids off to die.

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ricksramblings @ 55:

Rev. Wrights chickens are coming home to roost! The great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well. 40 shootings this past week 13 murders. How well did Barack Obama bring people together what problems did he solve in the South Side? Perhaps the hate filled "I'm a victim" speeches of Rev. Wright manifest themselves in violence throughout the community? Perhaps we should look a litter closer at Obama's claim he brought people together as a community organizer?

Oh what a bunch of bullshit.

fedupto57's picture

liberAL @ 49:

I have lost respect for Dan Abrams as well. He was just as obsessed with the story of Rev. Wright on Moyers as the others, with exception of O'Donnell. O'Donnell tried to inject some reason into the discussion by saying the other two panelists were putting words into Wright's mouth that he DID NOT say. And Abrams was enjoying going along with the two who were bashing Wright and Obama. And sure enough, not to disappoint, the msm is repeating the things that Watkins, Madden and Abrams were saying last night. The msm doesn't care who gets elected, just so they can make a story out of it.

I never had a lot . it maybe a good thing rev wright did the interview now people will can judge the man for themselves. and when they start to play the clip game people can look back at the interview and go wait a minutearen't they leaving something out,.

ysbaddaden's picture

Are apologists for Rev. Wright, the new Wright Wing?

Bill L.'s picture

Wright said "God damn America," not "goddamn America." It's actually a really important distinction. He didn't just wander in, attack the country (not white people, as many claim), and walk out. He was recounting many instances where the government has behaved in was not simply reprehensible, or even criminal, but offensive to such a degree that they were an affront to God (i.e. killing civilians with the atomic bombs, watching black men die of Syphilis (though they didn't infect them with it, which Wright claims) while deliberately withholding treatment, etc.). Unfortunately, the idea that America has and continues to commit grave injustices on a global scale is completely taboo.

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

Hey middle class, forget the economy and war, social and economic injustices not seen in our country in over 100 years; just look at what this preacher said! No job or house, yeah we know....., but look at what this preacher said! No health insurance, worried about a sick kid, yeah we get it....., but look at what this preacher said!

This country is freaking insane!

Janet's picture

Left&Left @ 44:

I painfully watched those three goofs triple team O'Donnell last night, doing their best to keep this shit alive. That Rev.(?) Watkins has to be some racist white guy in blackface the way he carries the bigots water for them.

That Rev Watkins asshole lied when he said he never preaches anything political. No Rev can do any preaching without talking about the poor and that IS a political issue.

Every other story goes back to Rev Wright on the news today. O’Donnell was the only sane one there. As he pointed out, if Obama is a polititian GASP therefore a liar then Hillary and McCain are also liars.

Bill L.'s picture

that should be "where the government has behaved in ways...'

...doh!

GREG's picture

fedupto57 @ 58:

liberAL @ 49:

I have lost respect for Dan Abrams as well. He was just as obsessed with the story of Rev. Wright on Moyers as the others, with exception of O'Donnell. O'Donnell tried to inject some reason into the discussion by saying the other two panelists were putting words into Wright's mouth that he DID NOT say. And Abrams was enjoying going along with the two who were bashing Wright and Obama. And sure enough, not to disappoint, the msm is repeating the things that Watkins, Madden and Abrams were saying last night. The msm doesn't care who gets elected, just so they can make a story out of it.

I never had a lot . it maybe a good thing rev wright did the interview now people will can judge the man for themselves. and when they start to play the clip game people can look back at the interview and go wait a minutearen't they leaving something out,.

That would be nice but you got to realize. People's opinions will not change. You see, they needed Wright as an excuse to justify their racisim. So you see, Wright was never a factor.

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sher @ 57:

ricksramblings @ 55:

Rev. Wrights chickens are coming home to roost! The great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well. 40 shootings this past week 13 murders. How well did Barack Obama bring people together what problems did he solve in the South Side? Perhaps the hate filled "I'm a victim" speeches of Rev. Wright manifest themselves in violence throughout the community? Perhaps we should look a litter closer at Obama's claim he brought people together as a community organizer?

Oh what a bunch of bullshit.

Perhaps you have been Hoodwinked maybe even Bamboozled to think this has no effect on the South Side.

ysbaddaden's picture

Bill L. @ 63:

that should be "where the government has behaved in ways...'

...doh!

No, that D'oh!

ysbaddaden's picture

that's

tehghey's picture

Yes, but did you know that Barack Obama is a long legged mack daddy?

ezpz's picture

Bill L. @ 60:

Wright said "God damn America," not "goddamn America." It's actually a really important distinction. He didn't just wander in, attack the country (not white people, as many claim), and walk out. He was recounting many instances where the government has behaved in was not simply reprehensible, or even criminal, but offensive to such a degree that they were an affront to God (i.e. killing civilians with the atomic bombs, watching black men die of Syphilis (though they didn't infect them with it, which Wright claims) while deliberately withholding treatment, etc.). Unfortunately, the idea that America has and continues to commit grave injustices on a global scale is completely taboo.

Exactly. He was kind of saying it in the past tense as others have, but got a pass because, well, they weren't Black. He was preaching that according to the bible, killing innocent civilians at home and around the world will bring God's wrath upon the perpetrators.

Frank Schaeffer writes:

"Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b...

sher's picture

ricksramblings @ 65:

sher @ 57:

ricksramblings @ 55:

Rev. Wrights chickens are coming home to roost! The great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well. 40 shootings this past week 13 murders. How well did Barack Obama bring people together what problems did he solve in the South Side? Perhaps the hate filled "I'm a victim" speeches of Rev. Wright manifest themselves in violence throughout the community? Perhaps we should look a litter closer at Obama's claim he brought people together as a community organizer?

Oh what a bunch of bullshit.

Perhaps you have been Hoodwinked maybe even Bamboozled to think this has no effect on the South Side.

What planet are your from man. You blame one man for this violence. You must live in th suburbs. You say "great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well." Are you saying one person can take care of all crime and everything would be perfit. Your are such an idiot.

hazmaq's picture

From the very first, and recent, days of the introduction of MSNBC's Verdict and their other new show starring David Gregory, the targeted roles envisioned by the shows creators was obviously Obama.
David Gregory has a blatant and virulent dislike of Obama - and will actually argue and gang up with the other two anti-Obama guests to attack the one pro-Obama guest.

But new polls show Obama only rising in stature and percentages - in Indiana particularly, new polls show a stunning new lead by Obama over McCain and over Clinton for the general. Indiana may turn BLUE!
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080425/NEWS0502/804...

Hillary is a plump floundering injured seal in the sights of Obama's fast approaching pearly whites.

Troy's picture

Reverend Wright is a bigot, let him steep in his bigotry. As for Obama he is a fraud and before the November election Democrats will have realized too late their mistake, they will have embraced the Flim-Flam man. Goodbye Supreme court, it was a good dream.

ezpz's picture

Troy @ 72:

Reverend Wright is a bigot, let him steep in his bigotry. As for Obama he is a fraud and before the November election Democrats will have realized too late their mistake, they will have embraced the Flim-Flam man. Goodbye Supreme court, it was a good dream.

And you are....let me guess...arian nation?

xargaw's picture

First we get Matthews on a tirade about whether Obama can bond with under-educated, non-cable, non-computer, "Inquirer" reading voters because he asks for orange juice in a diner instead of coffee. The we get Kieth (thank God!}, then back to Abrams and the aggenda driven bookends in this manufactured, self interpretation of Wright's words. My God, how low can the media go. They will either dumb down the masses to amebas, or loose every sponsor trying.

It's Me's picture

Where was O'Donnell being so precise and parsing every syllable when every pundit on TV was forcing words into Hillary Clinton's mouth and pretending she used words she never used regarding her Bosnia trip?

ezpz's picture

Well, it looks like the Wright (non)story is more important than this:

"Joint Chiefs Chairman Says U.S. Preparing Military Options Against Iran"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR200804...

xargaw's picture

hazmaq @ 71:

From the very first, and recent, days of the introduction of MSNBC's Verdict and their other new show starring David Gregory, the targeted roles envisioned by the shows creators was obviously Obama.
David Gregory has a blatant and virulent dislike of Obama - and will actually argue and gang up with the other two anti-Obama guests to attack the one pro-Obama guest.

But new polls show Obama only rising in stature and percentages - in Indiana particularly, new polls show a stunning new lead by Obama over McCain and over Clinton for the general. Indiana may turn BLUE!
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080425/NEWS0502/804...

Hillary is a plump floundering injured seal in the sights of Obama's fast approaching pearly whites.

I've said this before, but I swear, when I see Hillary now, I see the Glenn Close character from "Fatal Attraction." She will not give up as long as she a breath regardless of the damage she leaves in her path.

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http://wonkette.com/384028/barack-obamas-triumphant-return-to-fox-news

I hope he brings his "spiritual mentor" of 20+ years with him.

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ezpz @ 73:

Troy @ 72:

Reverend Wright is a bigot, let him steep in his bigotry. As for Obama he is a fraud and before the November election Democrats will have realized too late their mistake, they will have embraced the Flim-Flam man. Goodbye Supreme court, it was a good dream.

And you are....let me guess...arian nation?

Aryan Nation.

Arianism is a form of Gnostic (there heretical) Christianity.

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therefore heretical.

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ysbaddaden @ 82:

therefore heretical.

Ah, thanks for another vocabulary lesson/spell check.
Seriously, I do learn from you and appreciate that, even though we don't agree on certain things.

:o)

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Troy @ 72:

Reverend Wright is a bigot, let him steep in his bigotry. As for Obama he is a fraud and before the November election Democrats will have realized too late their mistake, they will have embraced the Flim-Flam man. Goodbye Supreme court, it was a good dream.

Oh imagine that a black preacher talking smack about whitey.

Sounds a lot like the white preachers talking smack about gays and lesbians.

Religion is a business and using hate and fear to advertise your business makes money in America.

It's a lose lose proposition for politicians.

On one hand people expect and demand that they go to church; on the other hande we criticise them for going to a place that uses hate and fear to make money.

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Troy @ 72:

Reverend Wright is a bigot, let him steep in his bigotry. As for Obama he is a fraud and before the November election Democrats will have realized too late their mistake, they will have embraced the Flim-Flam man. Goodbye Supreme court, it was a good dream.

Supreme court's already gone - remember the 2000 "election"?

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Rev Wright said that in the 20 years he has known Obama they never discussed politics. Obama joined the church when he was a young man with a passion for politics and lofty political ambitions. Wright claims he never discussed politics with his close friend even when Obama was aspiring to be the 3rd black US Senator in modern US history? How can a man of the cloth lie with such boldface impunity? Wright must view the intelligence level of the American public with complete utter disdain.

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ezpz @ 69:

Bill L. @ 60:

Wright said "God damn America," not "goddamn America." It's actually a really important distinction. He didn't just wander in, attack the country (not white people, as many claim), and walk out. He was recounting many instances where the government has behaved in was not simply reprehensible, or even criminal, but offensive to such a degree that they were an affront to God (i.e. killing civilians with the atomic bombs, watching black men die of Syphilis (though they didn't infect them with it, which Wright claims) while deliberately withholding treatment, etc.). Unfortunately, the idea that America has and continues to commit grave injustices on a global scale is completely taboo.

Exactly. He was kind of saying it in the past tense as others have, but got a pass because, well, they weren't Black. He was preaching that according to the bible, killing innocent civilians at home and around the world will bring God's wrath upon the perpetrators.

Frank Schaeffer writes:

"Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Reality is, people pretend to be offended at what Rev. Wright said because it smacks of the truth. Just like they pretend we're God's chosen people and that we're the most good, most generous people on earth.

It's a load of crap. Sure, we have done many positive things in the world, but so did the Roman and British empires. However, I doubt people would argue that most of their good deeds were'nt self-motivated or that they didn't do evil things either.

We are no different and our goverment's behavior (which we allow) has been awful, especially recently. Most people have no idea of the extent of their crimes and when you examine the body of evidence totally, it makes you ashamed. Until we realize what we have done wrong and take reponsibilty for it, nothing will change for the better.

The government and the MSM know this, and therefore they avoid talking about the truth and smear anyone who does. The more tabloid distractions like Wright, the better.

Remember kiddies, a fascist state is one where speaking the truth means you hate your country.

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Wright sure did not do Obama any favors I'll say that for him , the guy has done enough damage , I wish he'd just kept his mouth shut but I imagine he made some good $ off the interview and of course wanted to cover his own butt as much as he could . Certainly was not rehearsed before hand with Obama or Obama advisers . The bottom line is those who will not vote Obama because of his ethnicity will not vote for him no matter what any way , they would vote George Bush again before Obama because he Obama happens to be a black man , Gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwd forbid !There are a whole lot of pathetic and stupid people in this country needless to say , nothing much has changed , and they may well be successful in screwing themselves and the rest of us once again .

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sher @ 70:

ricksramblings @ 65:

sher @ 57:

ricksramblings @ 55:

Oh what a bunch of bullshit.

Barack Obama has been taking credit for being a great community organizer. That is one of his main points of his ability to bring people together. I say we should look into it a bit more! It is a sign that you don't know how to debate "like your Messiah Obama" when you have to launch personal attacks. It is either you don't know how to debate or you just don't have the knowledge or smarts to do so.

Perhaps you have been Hoodwinked maybe even Bamboozled to think this has no effect on the South Side.

What planet are your from man. You blame one man for this violence. You must live in th suburbs. You say "great community organizer of the South Side of Chicago should be held accountable for all the violence in the South Side as well." Are you saying one person can take care of all crime and everything would be perfit. Your are such an idiot.

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The Reverend Wright scandal reminds me of nothing so much as what the MSM did with the issue of inciting people to rally around the idea of war with Iraq. Not only was the meme of the need for war clearly presented, but any disagreement with the concept elicited accusations of being unpatriotic. So it is with the Wright controversy. You will have to look long and hard for any journalist besides Bill Moyers to do any in depth reporting on the matter of Rev. Wright, and how the public should judge Senator Obama based on Wright's statements. Whatever the outcome of that broadcast, it is certain that the corporate MSM will remain unchanged in its collective self righteous jugement, continuing to demonise both the Reverend Wright and Senator Obama. Of course all of the crazy white pastors and their comments of God's punishment on Americans will get a pass. We are such a bunch of sheep.

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What is that saying? Actions speak louder than words. Wright's actions should at least speak for something especially since he has just as much experience serving in the military as John McCain.

Read in the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story

Some of the article -
In 1961, Wright gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.

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Not Reverend Wright again. Doh!

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Are we sure that Kevin-guy wasn't cloned from one of Mitt Romney's testicle hairs? ...I thought not.

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78 abarts Says: http://wonkette.com/384028/bar.....o-fox-news

I hope he brings his “spiritual mentor” of 20+ years with him.
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Actually, the verb you want is "takes."

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moonsha @ 92:

What is that saying? Actions speak louder than words. Wright's actions should at least speak for something especially since he has just as much experience serving in the military as John McCain.

Read in the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story

Some of the article -
In 1961, Wright gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.

Moonsha, to try to defend Wright is counterproductive. You'll get nowhere. The only response to him is my comment on 93. That Wright served the country with distinction does not take away the words he screams, which are offending to those "love it or leave" it mentality. Those offended will not look kindly to Obama because he tacitly approves of Wright. He is his spiritual teacher, mentor and Obama takes the whole package. Voters are not stupid. They know what Wright is about. AA voters will understand, but few white voters will. It's part, not the whole reason, that BO is being seen more and more as the black candidate. I wished it wasn't so. I wished he had not waited to give a speech, but had spoken out against race baiting as early as SC. He chose not to, and it's too late. If he's the nominee in November, he'll lose.

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94 Prabhata Says:
" ...Obama takes the whole package. Voters are not stupid."
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OK. Two things. He does not take the "whole package," he allows the Reverend to have his own opinion. Last I checked, that is allowed in a democracy. And, secondly, yes they are.

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Which is worst? Over which issue would you leave your church? Would you leave your church over the hateful and unpatriotic comments from your pastor or over priests in your church having sex with boys? Which is worst? Obama chose to stay with his church and millions of Catholics chose to stay with their church. Think about it!

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If anyone saw the interview of Rev Wright with Bill Moyers, and doesn't come away loving this man, well, I don't know what to say.

Rev Wright is filled with love and compassion, and has done and continues to do great things to help thousands of people, which is more than we can say about those who have tried to dangerously vilify him.
Reverend Wright is truly a beautiful and brilliant human being. I was actually moved to tears listening to him.

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drago @ 84:

Rev Wright said that in the 20 years he has known Obama they never discussed politics. Obama joined the church when he was a young man with a passion for politics and lofty political ambitions. Wright claims he never discussed politics with his close friend even when Obama was aspiring to be the 3rd black US Senator in modern US history? How can a man of the cloth lie with such boldface impunity? Wright must view the intelligence level of the American public with complete utter disdain.

You're kidding me, right?

I've been the member of the same church for 15 years...my pastor is a right-leaning evangelical and often makes comments...political and social, that I don't agree with. I have never confronted him about them, although I have voiced my opposition to some of them in regular church meetings with our deacons and church officials. I have never discuss his politics with him personally as I do believe he, for the most part he's a good man. In spite of his controversial opinions, I like my church and the people who attend there.

Does that mean I agree with his political views because I remain at this church? Absolutely not. What it does mean is he has a right to his opinion, as well as anyone else in a so-called free society. I think that many have made way too much about the Reverend Wright's comments. I personally did my own research on him and his church and find nothing outside the mainstream thinking of most Christian churches. What's also a fact is Rev. Wright patriotically served this country in the military (Marines). I never hear the news media comment on this, particularly Hannity and other pundits who've never served our country and offer this facade of patriotism that's represented by wearing flag lapel pins.

BTW, I'm a white former-Marine, middle-class, chevy silverado driving, bowler from the midwest...and I've voting form Senator Barack Obama.

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ezpz @ 98:

If anyone saw the interview of Rev Wright with Bill Moyers, and doesn't come away loving this man, well, I don't know what to say.

Rev Wright is filled with love and compassion, and has done and continues to do great things to help thousands of people, which is more than we can say about those who have tried to dangerously vilify him.
Reverend Wright is truly a beautiful and brilliant human being. I was actually moved to tears listening to him.

Actually I thought he seems dangerous - like some radical who wants to upset the order of things. Interesting that this anti-patriotic, anti-American person was trusted enough to attend to President Johnson.

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talk about beating a dead horse. scrape the bottom of the barrel for non-issues about Barack and ignore the serious issues that affect our lives, perpetrated by the most corrupt administration in US history.

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MN USA @ 100:

ezpz @ 98:

If anyone saw the interview of Rev Wright with Bill Moyers, and doesn't come away loving this man, well, I don't know what to say.

Rev Wright is filled with love and compassion, and has done and continues to do great things to help thousands of people, which is more than we can say about those who have tried to dangerously vilify him.
Reverend Wright is truly a beautiful and brilliant human being. I was actually moved to tears listening to him.

Actually I thought he seems dangerous - like some radical who wants to upset the order of things. Interesting that this anti-patriotic, anti-American person was trusted enough to attend to President Johnson.

Did you actually see the whole interview?
I have to think that either you didn't or if you did and believe what you just wrote, then your mind and heart are closed, for which I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

The man is brilliant and full of love, light, wisdom, and compassion.
Soften your heart. You'll feel better for it.

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When Reverend Wright was talking about "the chickens coming home to roost", he was quoting Ambassador Peck, a White man who had been on Fox news and said similar things.

"In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793...

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Here's the link for the interview:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

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ezpz @ 103:

When Reverend Wright was talking about "the chickens coming home to roost", he was quoting Ambassador Peck, a White man who had been on Fox news and said similar things.

"In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html

ezpz @ 103:

When Reverend Wright was talking about "the chickens coming home to roost", he was quoting Ambassador Peck, a White man who had been on Fox news and said similar things.

"In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html

Rev. Wright was mimicing Malcolm X's comments after the JFK assasination.

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Liberal (of which I am one) need to quit defending Wright and convince him to just lay low. The firebrand ministry he preaches may have been relevant 40 years ago, but it's not good now. Many young black folks are angry, with no directions. We need to give them reasons to want to live, not be mad. We are 10 percent of the U.S. population, yet 37 percent of the prison population. Alot of that is the result of anger.

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"So all three of these people running for president are BAD people because they are POLITICIANS." - Sen. Webb.

Checkmate. All they could do is laugh about losing the whole argument.

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Shag @ 106:

Liberal (of which I am one) need to quit defending Wright and convince him to just lay low. The firebrand ministry he preaches may have been relevant 40 years ago, but it's not good now. Many young black folks are angry, with no directions. We need to give them reasons to want to live, not be mad. We are 10 percent of the U.S. population, yet 37 percent of the prison population. Alot of that is the result of anger.

huh!

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ezpz @ 98:

If anyone saw the interview of Rev Wright with Bill Moyers, and doesn't come away loving this man, well, I don't know what to say.

Rev Wright is filled with love and compassion, and has done and continues to do great things to help thousands of people, which is more than we can say about those who have tried to dangerously vilify him.
Reverend Wright is truly a beautiful and brilliant human being. I was actually moved to tears listening to him.

Just watched the interview and I think it was excellent. This is how you treat this so called "controversy". An hour of thoughtful discussion accompanied by important background information and context. The more I read and hear of Jeremiah Wright the more I respect him. In my view he dont reflect badly on Obama at all, on the contrary

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ezpz @ 102:

MN USA @ 100:

ezpz @ 98:

If anyone saw the interview of Rev Wright with Bill Moyers, and doesn't come away loving this man, well, I don't know what to say.

Rev Wright is filled with love and compassion, and has done and continues to do great things to help thousands of people, which is more than we can say about those who have tried to dangerously vilify him.
Reverend Wright is truly a beautiful and brilliant human being. I was actually moved to tears listening to him.

Actually I thought he seems dangerous - like some radical who wants to upset the order of things. Interesting that this anti-patriotic, anti-American person was trusted enough to attend to President Johnson.

Did you actually see the whole interview?
I have to think that either you didn't or if you did and believe what you just wrote, then your mind and heart are closed, for which I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

The man is brilliant and full of love, light, wisdom, and compassion.
Soften your heart. You'll feel better for it.

Actually, I was being facetious. But a little serious about him being dangerous. Remember, Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Nelson Mandela were also considered dangerous men who wanted to change the order of things. All of them were imprisoned, or beaten, or murdered to keep them silent. Isn't that what we do to dangerous people? Lou Dobbs and Joe Scarborough have spent weeks telling us that he is a dangerous, angry, racist man. Are you saying they are liars? Seriously, I totally agree with you. Our world needs more like Rev. Wright.

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Rev. Wright cannot say that he has not used his pulpit for politics. Funny how that video of him screaming from the pulpit that "Bill Clinton was ridin dirty on blacks all these years just like he did Monica Lewinsky" disappeared down the rabbit hole. And he went on and on about how Hillary was not raised a poor black boy with a single mother, blah, blah, blah. Well, neither was Obama. His mother was single when his daddy ran off but not for long. She married a quite wealthy man from Indonesia where Obama spent time and then in Hawaii. His "typical white granny" was a bank vice-president. I don't care how reasonable he sounded on Bill Moyers this man is a racist and a liar. And anyone who thinks Obama didn't know exactly who this man was is lying to themselves. Time for someone to call me a racist now because I don't trust Obama, his wife or his preacher.

And is this the same Lawrence O'Donnell that thought everyone was over-reacting to Michael Vick and his treatment of his animals. Didn't he tell us all we just didn't understand that it was just a "cultural" thing.

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Two pretentious windbags: Wright and his flockee, Odummer.

Let them both sail into the sunset.

Two glib M.F.s

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MN USA @ 110:

ezpz @ 102:

MN USA @ 100:

ezpz @ 98:

Actually I thought he seems dangerous - like some radical who wants to upset the order of things. Interesting that this anti-patriotic, anti-American person was trusted enough to attend to President Johnson.

Did you actually see the whole interview?
I have to think that either you didn't or if you did and believe what you just wrote, then your mind and heart are closed, for which I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

The man is brilliant and full of love, light, wisdom, and compassion.
Soften your heart. You'll feel better for it.

Actually, I was being facetious. But a little serious about him being dangerous. Remember, Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Nelson Mandela were also considered dangerous men who wanted to change the order of things. All of them were imprisoned, or beaten, or murdered to keep them silent. Isn't that what we do to dangerous people? Lou Dobbs and Joe Scarborough have spent weeks telling us that he is a dangerous, angry, racist man. Are you saying they are liars? Seriously, I totally agree with you. Our world needs more like Rev. Wright.

Yes, I see now that you were being facetious. My apologies. I misread, or maybe just didn't read through to your last sentence about Pres Johnson. I saw the words "dangerous" and "radical" and just assumed you were dissing him.
Sorry. I totally understand where you're coming from now and I agree.

Peace. :o)
(Hope you see this.)

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ezpz @ 113:

MN USA @ 110:

ezpz @ 102:

MN USA @ 100:

Did you actually see the whole interview?
I have to think that either you didn't or if you did and believe what you just wrote, then your mind and heart are closed, for which I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

The man is brilliant and full of love, light, wisdom, and compassion.
Soften your heart. You'll feel better for it.

Actually, I was being facetious. But a little serious about him being dangerous. Remember, Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Nelson Mandela were also considered dangerous men who wanted to change the order of things. All of them were imprisoned, or beaten, or murdered to keep them silent. Isn't that what we do to dangerous people? Lou Dobbs and Joe Scarborough have spent weeks telling us that he is a dangerous, angry, racist man. Are you saying they are liars? Seriously, I totally agree with you. Our world needs more like Rev. Wright.

Yes, I see now that you were being facetious. My apologies. I misread, or maybe just didn't read through to your last sentence about Pres Johnson. I saw the words "dangerous" and "radical" and just assumed you were dissing him.
Sorry. I totally understand where you're coming from now and I agree.

Peace. :o)
(Hope you see this.)

I totally understand after seeing Rev. Wright so villified by the mainstream media where you are coming from, too. Also my Minnesota Scandinavian sense of humor can be misunderstood.

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