POLL: Bush more problematic for McCain than Wright is for Obama
By SilentPatriot Thursday May 01, 2008 12:00pm
It's pretty amazing when a sitting President and your ties to his failed policies are the number one liability to your run for the Oval Office. Despite any real attempt to define McCain as Bush44, the public already sees the connection loud and clear. I've seen conservative after conservative go on TV today to talk about how mavericky John McCain really is. Nonsense. On the two most important issues this country faces -- Iraq and the economy -- John McCain is on the same exact page as George W. Bush.
Sen. Barack Obama’s ties to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright could hurt his presidential hopes. So could his comment about “bitter” small-town America clinging to guns and religion. And Americans might question Sen. Hillary Clinton’s honesty and trustworthiness.
But according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, the bigger problem appears to be John McCain's ties to President Bush.
In the survey, 43 percent of registered voters say they have major concerns that McCain is too closely aligned with the current administration.
Wow.
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If the stink fits...
The CORPORATE/ REPIGLCIAN/GOVERNMENT 'MEDIA' = MAFIA is a criminal enterprise that should be CHARGED, TRIED, AND CONVICTED FOR criminal/ purposeful, fraud committed against the American People.
Can someone explain to me how Obama is more out of touch than Clinton or McCain? Maybe I'm just too stupid to see it.
If you watch the MSM you would think Mccain has a shot in November. Instead of talking about the real problems facing this country, they are focusing on Wright and a bunch of bullshit. All the investigations, the criminality of the White House, Rove, and all the Bush henchmen are all insignifigent to MSM. I hope Americans are much smarter this election year. The future of this country depends on it.
And those numbers WILL get worse for McWar. I'm sure most third graders wouldn't want to be associated with Bush. McFraud had to have made some deals with this criminal administration.
because the 'media' has convinced people that he is ...
Nice visual! The more points made by using charts etc. the more effective the message. Most people are visual learners---just think about all those conservative comic book readers!
Nice. Keep putting the ol' rev up there like it means something. Hey three card monte anyone? There's nothing under any of these empty jars, you're never going to win but you can play as looooong as you like!
MSNBC really needs to get it's head out of it's butt on this. NOBODY outside of Faux News, Timmuh or Tweety's inner circle gives a flying rat's patootie about Wright's positions. Or, to be more accurate, we aren't fooled by their lame protestations about Wright when they spend the rest of their time sucking up to white right-winger nut jobs posing as preachers - like Pat Robertson, Falwell, Hagee, and Tweety's favorite: Catholic hate-monger freak Donohoe.
I mean, get real; Pat Buchanan writes a John Birch style racist hate-rant calling blacks all kinds of derogatory racial epithets and he's still on MSNBC 24/7, but Arrianna Huffington gets banned cause she steps on Timmuh's pwecious toes??? And I should care about Wright? Puhleeze.
MSNBC apparently has no idea how this makes them increasingly more irrelevant. The more they try to conspicuously direct the news in spite of their obvious bullshit bias, the more irrelevant they become.
Old men yelling at clouds, indeed.
We are going to see McCain throw Bush under the bus as time goes by. It's already beginning with the "Mission Accomplished" fiasco. McCain's people know they have to distance themselves from Bush. It's our job to keep McCain & Bush and Bush policies tied to the hip from now until November.
MSNBC is a joke, without Oberman they are nothing. I have already gave up on them. Who cares what Andrea Micthell or Nora ODonnal think? And Buchannan? What a joke! Add Tucker and you have a news channel that is irrelavent.
Apparently America thinks George W. Bush is the worst disaster in the history of this country and anyone associated with him is TOAST.
gee, I wonder why.
theWalrus @ 10:
Today, McSame was DEFENDING Bush on 'Mission Accomplished', claiming Bush should not take the blame.
Chalk up yet another nail on McSame's coffin.
P.D. @ 11:
Yup.
theWalrus @ 10:
It will be much harder for McCain to distance himself from Bush than it was for Obama to distance himself from Wright. I'm mean there's been a lovefest for 8 years going on. Plus that great hug picture.
When are people going to see these msm polls things are meaningless crap.
According to these type of polls Kerry was going to whip Bush back in 04.
Beam me up Scotty!
The fact is MSM is to blame for this disasterous President. They rolled over for him at every turn. From the WMDs to the silence on the many investigations. Add a indifferent public and your bound to have a government in complete failure. The Amercan people themselves are selfish, indulgent and lazy. We have been brought up to believe we are the best, and to hell with everyone else. We are paying for oue own arrogance. It's sad really.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal?
Murdoch is teaming with NBC now?
LA, Murdoch wont be satified until he is the Supreme Ruler and we are his serfs.
No surprise...Chimpy is a much bigger scumbag than Wright. And unlike Chimpy, Wright actually served his country in the Marines.
If we don't go there..flip flop..social sec..torture ok now..repeal gas tax..tax cuts for rich perm.. etc etc..McInsane being exactly like Bush/Chaney on war and war profiteering alone would do it for me. McBush/McCrazy/McChaney/McHillary..peas in da pod.
SuburbanGrrrl @ 15:
I want to believe that it will be IMPOSSIBLE for McCain to distance himself from Bush, but the Rightwingers are masters of spin, deception and disinformation. Coupled with the ignorance (stupidity?) of a large portion of the populace...I worry.
McCain with low numbers? Order another invasion somewhere.. that will fix it.
McBush, McBush, McBush.
That's how we all need to start referring to Johnny Mac, on paper and in person, from how until November.
McBush, McBush, McBush.
Tie McCain linguistically to Dubya for now and forever.
Make bumper sticker, T-shirts, poems, billboards; M-C-B-U-S-H.
Preach it, brothers and sisters.
Let the hills ring with "McBush."
P.D. @ 19:
P.D. I'm going to have to TUNE OUT at some point soon just to retain my sanity (focus on reality).
Nothing to worry about.
That same 32% is in all likelihood the same 32% who thinks George Bush is doing a double-plus good job.
They were lost causes anyway.
ThunderMonkey @ 3:
ThunderMonkey,
You are not stupid- however, anyone who can explain your question, is stupid. Expect lots of explanation because there are lots of stupid people.
eastriver @ 24:
McBush McBush McBush....the real 27%. are we there yet??
theWalrus @ 22:
Couldn't agree more.
But remember that Bush's failures have been so gargantuan, so destructive to this country, the world and humanity, that even the spin meisters in the GOP cannot overcome it. ...... we hope.
P.D. @ 4:
Fucking Rove. I heard on Morning Jo(k)e this morning that Turdblossom is the most influential member of the media or some such shit. Guess who's #2? C'mon, I'm waiting....
Okay, it's Tweety!
enor @ 23:
Fool us once........
You cant get fooled again !
Thanks, eastriver. From now on I will always refer to him as John McBush.
more bullshit polls from the msm.
the msm spends all of its time discussing the polls that are only a reflection of the MSM's skewed, distorted, and insulting coverage.
this means nothing.
the msm-poll-msm circuit is liks a snake eating itself. the msm creates a narrative, broadcasts it relentlessly, then the poll numbers reflect that inane issue, which then the msm has to discuss.
we are *baaaa* sheep
theWalrus @ 32:
John W. McBush
LA, I suggest gardening. After Katria hit and as I watched on MSM how we left those poor people stranded, I turned off my television and tended the garden. But I'll never forget those images as long as I live. I have never forgiven out government for that, and I never will.
Chico Hussein @ 31:
I predict an Orange Alert around two weeks before the election. Those people will stop at nothing to retain power.
Hardly a surprise at this point. In 2004 the platform for Texas Republicans was merely "I'm a George Bush Republican". By the 2006 elections none of them were saying that anymore. And public opinion has shifted even further since then.
If he was a liability in Texas two years ago, he can hardly be an asset nationally now.
Of course, for that and all the other numbers in the poll, you have to subtract 25%-30% to get a meaningful number, since that many will be simply expressing the predictable views of their political loyalties.
Dr. Acula, Rove is a political genuis in the pundits and his own mind. People like us know him for what he is, A immoral, right-wing neocon dirtbag. And I'm being generous.
P.D. @ 4:
Of course, he does have a shot in November, because the MSM is going to do whatever it can to shoot down the best Democratic candidate during the primaries, to make it easier to shoot the survivor down during the general elections.
P.D. @ 17:
The thing is, the MSM is not us - it is corporate America, and THEY are in bed with this disastrous president. We have all been duped into thinking we live in an open society.
Chico Hussein @ 34:
or John Sidney McBush, the Turd.
Chico Hussein @ 31:
Maybe not 'us', but easily the 50 some million that will respond to the 'new threat' and hurry to vote for McCain to protect us.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
Surley we can agree that the mass media is either broken or working for the other side. We can agree that FOX is not news and that the Rev Wright is irelivant.
Just as we can all agree that Mcain has a snow balls chance in hell of getting elected.
These things are absolute truths (like global warming) - So when will be the time we can move beyound this simple truth that 1+1=2?
It is getting to the point that distraction, lies and false information is just about ALL THERE IS on the corperate media - But the problems we face persists even as we continue to beat a very, very dead horse.
The media is no help to us.
The election is little or no real help to us.
But still we face many disasters which are eminent, but we discuss fox/msn discussing Rev Wright...
I am confused...How id this going to help us again?
Don't underestimate the power of the corporate media to effect public opinion. How many people still believe that Al Gore said he invented the Internet? How many people believe that Bush is just regular guy from Texas?How many people believe that John Kerry faked his war service and flip-flops his opinion on everything? How many people believe that John Edwards isn't really for the working poor people because he is all the time going out and getting $200 hair cuts? The media will keep pounding on things no matter what the facts are and sooner or later more than half of the American voters will think there must be something to it.
I don't think too much should be read into polls, but this one is pretty interesting in format
P.D. @ 35:
I suggest fasting. I can go on one meal a day for a long time.
Those percentages add up to a kludge, not 100%.
RayC @ 44:
You mean The War Party. The corporate media-media is just one of their tentacles anymore.
My God, MSNBC is going off the deep end. This constant campaign coverage is getting insane. I think i'll put my head in the oven, because I can't take it anymore.
Chico Hussein @ 31:
Who have they got to fool? They'll either steal the election outright with the help of diebold or simply get their judges to hand it to mcstain afterward. And everyone will spend the next 8 years arguing about it while they continue to ram it to ya. Although I sincerely doubt things will stay a float for 8 more years.
Just as we can all agree that Mcain has a snow balls chance in hell of getting elected.
I felt that way about Bush in 2004. And look what happened. Rove took Kerry's strength (war vet) and turned it into a liability. They will do the same to Obama and they will play the race card and the fear card.
eastriver @ 24:
About as elegantly simple as it gets, though still too complex for the 28%'ers to grasp.
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-_-
We warned McCain not to put his lips there...but he wouldn't listen.
Now he's "stuck".
P.D. @ 49:
Don't do that. Take a break from TV-Internet and let the mental pollution "air out".
Think I will right now myself.
Don't worry, these numbers will change as the McCain Stream Media will come to the rescue and continue their 24/7 coverage of Wright.
I got to find a hobby, or go volunteer or something. I think I'm turning into a zombie.
P.D. @ 49:
Their daytime coverage is almost has pathetic and partisan as Faux.
theWalrus @ 51:
The same to Obama - LOL
OK, for you the dem campaign is already decided and you think even less of the american votor than I do, which is hard for me to wrap my little brain around...
I mean with ALL the REPUBLICANS have done for US, it could only be worse had the whole country been hit with a Katrina. Everything is in ruins ('cept my local walmart and IRS office!!) and you think we are dumb enough to elect (or let those crooked BASTARDS steal it again AS IN 2004 (that was no election) more republicans who offer more of the same Bushshit...
Well, I thought I was cynical, but you sir take my cake.
Add the concerns about each of the candidates.
Obama 34 plus 32 equals 66
Hillary 36 plus 31 equals 67
McCain 43 plus 31 equals 71
So people have less concerns about Obama
Well, that's the way I look at it.
Please stop. This kind of thing gives me hope, which I quickly realize is a mirage , for the reasons cited by the other astute participants in this futile exercise in resistance.
Signed,
a defeated American
Bush is the curse --- on all republicans. But the anti-bush feeling is in a steady state; but the Rev Wright thing just goes and goes, growing like a cancer for obama. And this national TV break-up of two grown men is nasty and creepy and oooh so queer (the odd meaning, no slight intended for gay folk). So how do you wrap a poll around something as odd as Rev Wright and his weird shit and obama's defense of him and then rejection of him? The only poll that will refect it correctly is in the voting booth. Pennsylvania said a mouth-full and now Indiana and North Carolina should show if obama is toast or not. I have been a political junkie since grade school in the late 1950s; and I have never seen a year like this one. Just when you think you understand the trends, something changes. Just a week ago, who would have guessed that the Rev was going to come out against obama with guns ablazing?
Leaveus @ 59:
I understand what you are saying. I am sorry to sound so cynical, which I won't deny. As someone who has been around for a while, I am still stunned that Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George Bush I were Presidents of the United States - to this day I still cannot wrap my brain around THAT!
Nixon was a boy scout compared with Warpig.
It is ashame that as we ride into the sunset on the middle to lower decks of this titanic moment, a moment that transends this war, this election, this economy, a moment so pregnant with necisity to think differently and act acordingly, it is a shame to me to see my fellow americans contemplating thier navel.
The 4th estate has been bought and sold for a generation now people. They are potentialy the single biggest contributor to the path that lead us here.
They are the propaganda arm for the conspiracy that has siezed thier moment and taken over. I doubt our best moment will be spent critiquing thier media.
theWalrus @ 63:
and all it took for each of them to be president was hate of one american for another.
58% Say Obama Denounced Wright for Political Expedience, Not Outrage
A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 30% of the nation’s Likely Voters believe Barack Obama denounced his former Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, because he was outraged. Most—58%--say he denounced the Pastor for political convenience. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday night. Obama made his statements about Wright on Tuesday....
Fifty-six percent (56%) say it’s at least somewhat likely that Obama “shares some of Pastor Wright’s controversial views about the United States.” That figure includes 26% who say it’s Very Likely Obama holds such views...
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Hmmm.... 58% think he's being somewhat dishonest, 56% think he shares the same wacky views as Rev. Wright, but only 32% say it's a major concern to them.
dennis @ 67:
Hey Dennis, maybe if Obama works really hard to build up his negatives, he can hopefully come within 20 points of Hillary in the minus category. Aaahahahahahahaha!!!
honestly, I have not heard anything that Rev. Wright say that I don't think is true. Sucks that Obama had to distance himself from a man who speaks the truth because he's "weird" to the 28 percenters he's not gonna get anyway.
OK, here's an interesting conspiracy for you: It seems that one of Hildebeast's campaign advisors, a guy named Mickey Kantor, [That's enough. The director says the clip is doctored. Remember, you can't tell the difference between male and female from a whisper, and you don't see Kantor's face when the racial slur is uttered. I could have dubbed it in-Sitemonitor]
I think you will see republicans and democrats that think for themselves vote for change and the only one that I see capable to do that is Barack Obama! Senator Clinton and Senator McCain have been in office so long and think they deserve to win. For one I am tired of wars for profit.I am tired of being lied to. I don't want a president that would OBLITERATE millions of innocent people just to show they are TOUGH . I want some diplomacy back. Don't worry about Obama's strength when he has to fight against the republicans. He can fight but not like old Politics. Just honesty and facts. He will combat any personal attacks. OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW. Most of all I believe no matter what The Constitution will be respected and followed.
ThunderMonkey @ 3:
yah think?
Left&Left @ 68:
As to Obama's negatives, Left & Left, the trend is not his friend. And 'working really hard' is not something many are saying about him right now.
The 'Cajones' Primary
Bush and McCain are both just puppets. The hand working them is the same.
The press offends most americans and is out of touch not Obama.
The bitter illusion of hope rears its ugly head...
If Wright were a missing white woman or a white minister would he get this much press?
motorfingaz @ 77:
If he were a missing white woman yes. If he were a whackjob white minister no.
By Nov. 4th most people will have forgotten about Wright, but Bush will still be president.
Rusty Shackleford @ 79:
And what's the implication here? C'mon Democrats, lets get busy! McCain wants and needs a good ass-kicking.
reyvn @ 69:
Especially when his comments are actually taken in context.
THE FLIP FLOPPING PORK-MASTER..... JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN
McCain’s claim is false. In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to “lean against the measure.” The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the bill for the center.
In 2003, McCain also slipped $14.3 million into a defense appropriations bill to
create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. As Roll Call reported in 2003, this project violated McCain’s own anti-pork rhetoric:
The only problem is the project to acquire more land near the base was not requested by President Bush or fully authorized by the Senate Armed Services Committee - two of McCain’s criteria for identifying so-called ‘pork.
Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK), a notorious porker, was overjoyed that McCain had joined his side. “One man’s pork is another man’s alternate white meat,” said Stevens. “If he asked for it, we put it in.”
What was the first clue? The constant hugging? The grovelling posture? His brown nose?
3 ThunderMonkey Says: Can someone explain to me how Obama is more out of touch than Clinton or McCain? Maybe I’m just too stupid to see it.
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This comic should clear things up for you. ;)
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/04/28/tomo/
(It's a good one.)
Putting any weight behind media polls, (Wall Street Journal and Fox news are owned by the same entity now) allowing them to influence our thoughts and decision making process is a mistake we can not afford to make right now. We're being led around by our noses by jumping on these polls. There are no trustworthy sources of information among the conventional media that should influence our politics. Just last week it was found out that the DOD was shopping military analysts around to put this unjust war in a favorable light. America's democracy has never been in more danger than it is right now. There remains a problem of just where we can turn.
The toxic Texan!
Faux Snooze never reported this particular poll but they managed to point out how much Wright is killing Obama. Nope, no bias there, huh?
P.D. @ 4:
About 25% of them would still support the Gop even after they tortured them.
Left&Left @ 68:
In another poll, 99.8% of the 28%er's, were found to be total fucking moron's.
People voted for the other guy in 2000 because they were sick of Clinton.
Silver Bullet @ 90:
Clinton wasn't running, clown. People voted for the "other guy" because they were absolute dumb mother fuckers. This point has been validated time and time again the last eight years.
Has anyone else wondered why they left Hitlery off of the list of people that "we the publick" are supposed to have major concerns with?
Can't you see they don't care if McCain or Hilary wins this thing?
*shakes head*
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