man....i like pink floyd....

I read complaints about the lack of activity on C&L lately and I have to wonder if it's because of the missing quote and refresh buttons.

4 Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s Says: I’m still waiting for John McCain’s plan to end America’s dependence on foreign oil.

I wonder if it involves budweiser beer?

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Can we run a car on budweiser now? Not according to the DUI squad.

John, good post.

As to ANWAR and oil in general - dont forget

http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/npr/publications/npr_stra...

You CANNOT exclude this from any considerations. The US had more oil in equivalent barrels in oil shale than anyone else in the world has oil. A minimum of 1.5 trillion barrel equivalents. But, it will be expensive. This isnt about simply 'using' this oil, it is about gaining a competative edge with it. That will require oil to (probably) cost in the neighborhood of $150 per barrel. If that happens, then suddenly the US becomes the 21st century Saudi Arabia - with nukes.

You dont believe the oil companies or this criminal government has forgotten about 1.5 trillion barrels of oil do you? Do you wonder why the government doesnt want to end its dependence on oil? Do you think they are just evil or stupid? They may be evil, but they arent stupid. Control of the world potentially lay in the Rockies if they can get the world paying $150+ per barrel.

Would they talk about it? Absolutely not. But you should. Convervationists are facing the largest profits in the history of the planet standing between them and saving the environment. I'm not sure people understand the magnitude of the impending struggle. ANWAR is pocket change. I suspect its main function is to break the back of those protecting the environment. If then can get ANWAR they will stripmine the Rockies - Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

Sorry, brain fart. from post @7 - look at page 11 diagram 3

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from... want of honor and virtue, but from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." -- John Adams

"Information is the currency of democracy." -- Thomas Jefferson

We got Hastert's seat too. We still need to concentrate on election reform policies though. Transparency and Accuracy.

4 Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s Says: I’m still waiting for John McCain’s plan to end America’s dependence on foreign oil.

I wonder if it involves budweiser beer?
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Some years ago, while on vacation in Florida, I saw a simple solution in one of the tabloids. It weaned America of oil using beans. The plan was, a bus run on human gas. People would be fed a massive diet of beans, and then ride the bus. Tubes were in place to collect the "natural gas" produced. But the MSM has been silent on the idea.

15 bitter Edwin Hussein Says: 4 Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s Says: I’m still waiting for John McCain’s plan to end America’s dependence on foreign oil.

I wonder if it involves budweiser beer?
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Some years ago, while on vacation in Florida, I saw a simple solution in one of the tabloids. It weaned America of oil using beans. The plan was, a bus run on human gas. People would be fed a massive diet of beans, and then ride the bus. Tubes were in place to collect the “natural gas” produced. But the MSM has been silent on the idea.

Do you think the noise on the MSM was drowned out by the brrrrrrt?

"The Power Puppet"...I mean, how would you function with the corporate hand up your ass??

mcAncient is just short of qualifying to be a traitor to this country. He, along with Reverend Wright, served time in the US Navy. Of course, mcAnciet was a POW and tortured where he said anything they wanted him to say....due to his "non torture" that they freely exercised on him.

His body and mind are old and broken, tortured and twisted; and he is NO f*ckin' hero.....please. If you were kept alive in a toilet for however many years with "enhanced interrogation methods" and served in your military while you were swirling in the toilet....would YOU be a "hero". I don't think so. You would be "a survivor".

It's time to pull out the stops. This guy, much like Hilllary, and to a lesser extent Obama, will do anything to get the White House. He will say whatever it takes to get him A vote.

A piece of shit in my book. His wife waited for him...did HE wait for her? Nope. He shacked up with this rich "elitist bitch" and then married in to the money.

Typical repug moral values. A shit head. End of story.

17 Ron Says: 15 bitter Edwin Hussein Says: 4 Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s Says: I’m still waiting for John McCain’s plan to end America’s dependence on foreign oil.

I wonder if it involves budweiser beer?
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Some years ago, while on vacation in Florida, I saw a simple solution in one of the tabloids. It weaned America of oil using beans. The plan was, a bus run on human gas. People would be fed a massive diet of beans, and then ride the bus. Tubes were in place to collect the “natural gas” produced. But the MSM has been silent on the idea.

Do you think the noise on the MSM was drowned out by the brrrrrrt?
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Maybe FOX will pick it up. It's got everything: good old American know-how, an end to reliance on foreign oil, a boon to farmers, easy to understand, and sorta "glitzy". (Everyone's seen a blue angel, haven't they? Fox viewers will have, fer sure.)

Helloooo xiotes.

I love the use of the word "feeble". Jane picked the right word to describe him.

Jane Hamsher couldn't hold against Amanda Carpenters excellent comebacks (and they weren't even the best ones available). The wingnut branch of the Rebulican party will be grouping for straws next Fall. If only their opponents can get it together.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 20:

12 Orangutan. Says: Pontchartrain Pete @ 10:

Democrat Don Cazayoux takes Louisiana’s 6th Congressional district seat, held by repubs since 1974. Woot! http://tinyurl.com/5zbp7e

KICK BUTT!! Man. Awesome.
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What this guy did to get elected would have made Lieberman blush. We need Democrats like this guy like we need double amputation.

Well I didn't know that. I just figured another seat to the D's. I agree man. We have a lot of work to do. But in the process of political evolution I'd say this is a step in the right direction. It ain't going to turn magic overnight as far as I know.

Here's the scale I think we need to work on or have in mind when trying to take back Congress, the Country, and the White House.

Neo-Con Crazies = worst (5)
Genuine Repubs = 4
Liebermann Dems = 3
Progressive Dems = 2
Obama in the WH = best.

Therefore a Lieberman Dem is step better than a Repub. True?

That may be so, but the guy he beat is a monster. Think Boehner/Kyl/Tancredo/Brownback, etc. on steroids.

chicano2nd @ 27:

Jane Hamsher couldn't hold against Amanda Carpenters excellent comebacks (and they weren't even the best ones available). The wingnut branch of the Rebulican party will be grouping for straws next Fall. If only their opponents can get it together.

I've seen Amanda before. She's a good spinner. I've love to spin her as long as she keeps that wingnut trap shut. Heeelllllooo!

i find it depressing that so many attractive women right now seem to be FUCKING CRAZY

Tequila @ 6:

Obama takes Guam.

I thougt Guam was hillary's territory. I thought it was said by MSM she would win big time.

I wonder if Rev. Wright had anything to do with it?

34 anon Says: Amanda sure is kute 8′P

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I thought Jane was a lot more attractive.

jane is a babe....amanda is a pig

please listen closely as jane quotes elizabeth edwards on mccain's health care plan not covering herself nor mccain, and amanda says "good"

fucking skanky bitch

hope she gets cervical cancer, her insurance company refuses to cover treatment and her brains fall out of her diseased vaginal cavity

thats right...i went there

you may now delete the comment as going overboard and being hateful

oh, and mccain did nothing to stop the obama ads...he just meekly asked publically that they stop running

he loves those ads...in fact, i heard that when he saw them, it was the first time in 20 years that his penis got hard

fuck ya....im the new mike malloy

40 oh really Says: Carpenter is creepy and full of it, but Jane is wrong.

By the same standard is Obama weak and feeble because he can’t control Wright?

The Republican Party is full of slime and McCain is a liar and a hypocrite, but there is no way that he can be expected to “control” the scum in his party.

More generally, do we really believe that candidates should be able to tell the different elements of their parties what to do and that those elements should “obey” the candidate?

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Bush said almost the same in 04. Don't expect them to take responsibility. They will merely say they don't approve of the message but won't do a damn thing to stop it.

The NYT finally is demanding McCain come clean with a full medical report. He has not done so since 2000, and it is unbelievable that someone with malignant metastatic melanoma has not done so and yet is the nominee for the Republican party. I speculate that he has had a (prophylactic) radical cervical lymphnode dissection, but without a full report one has to presume that he is hiding something
bad, and yet no one is talking about this. Generally the prognosis for such a disease (if that is what it is) is extremely poor and his advanced age does not help.
But we need to know exactly what stage the disease is and extrapolate whether want to vote for a man with such a poor prognosis. Lieberman will probably be his VP, which means that if the prognosis is poor, we will have a radical extremist President Lieberman to contend with (as opposed to a radical extremist President McCain). Yet the polls say that much of the electorate is ignorant of this.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy,
What the hell are you drinking?? I disliked Ms. Carpenter, particularly that weird laughing thing and the way she interrupted Jane Hamsher, but I still would not wish any particular "female" disease upon her. Pick another please.
She WAS mean and hateful, all the while flashing her plastic insane smile. YIKES.

chicano2nd
Jane kept her cool, and kicked ass. Carpenter's "excellent comebacks??" I guess men only think think with their...well, you already know.

29 Orangutan. Says: xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 20:

12 Orangutan. Says: Pontchartrain Pete @ 10:

Democrat Don Cazayoux takes Louisiana’s 6th Congressional district seat, held by repubs since 1974. Woot! http://tinyurl.com/5zbp7e

KICK BUTT!! Man. Awesome.
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What this guy did to get elected would have made Lieberman blush. We need Democrats like this guy like we need double amputation.

Well I didn’t know that. I just figured another seat to the D’s. I agree man. We have a lot of work to do. But in the process of political evolution I’d say this is a step in the right direction. It ain’t going to turn magic overnight as far as I know.

Here’s the scale I think we need to work on or have in mind when trying to take back Congress, the Country, and the White House.

Neo-Con Crazies = worst (5)
Genuine Repubs = 4
Liebermann Dems = 3
Progressive Dems = 2
Obama in the WH = best.

Therefore a Lieberman Dem is step better than a Repub. True?

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If this is the scale then put me at minus five.

I would rather have a true Republican than a Lieberman "Democrat". In fact i would rather have the paper boy than a Lieberman Democrat.

I think C&L is being sabotaged.

48 tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe Says: The vid is no longer available.

Hi, again. How are you?

52 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: Hi Ron :)

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Tired of this cut and paste. I wish C&L would get it right. Hi again xiotes.

Looks like sluggoJD has identified the Obama supporter who doctored the "War Room" video that got on the A list and then went viral and smeared Clinton right before the IN primary.

That's part of the story. The rest of the story would be how that video got all over the A list without being vetted in any way -- no transcript, no provenance, just a YouTube of what turned out to be doctored and potentially libelous copyright material. YouTube's a big place, and its search functions are notoriously bad, so people were told about this, and I'm guessing by someone trusted enough that due diligence was skimped on.

So how'd that happen? Because back in the day when we has a media critique, and there seemed to be a level of transparency, this wouldn't have happened. Any lessons learned here?

56 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: The thing about living in something other than a Democracy is that it is done all the time by hundreds if millions of people around the world (including us.)

I guess what really matters is how you respond to that.

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I wish it would include us.

Looking in the page source, i see that the ajaxHide class is not working right. Toggling the Disable AJAX doesn't seem to affect it for some people. Ron, cutting and pasting must be getting old.

~ Rachel Corrie ~
1979 - 2003
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

None of there buttons work, so once you are cut out, you're out.

Then we become blanks and work for justice without using the buttons, something every defrauded voter should keep in mind. :)

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 64:

59 Ron Says: 56 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: The thing about living in something other than a Democracy is that it is done all the time by hundreds if millions of people around the world (including us.)

I guess what really matters is how you respond to that.

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I wish it would include us.

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Ron, what includes you and me (for starters) is a desire for justice. Justice is actually difficult to attain under any system. Given that, all we need is to do is to keep our desire and figure it out as best we can from there.

The first step is to stop all the torture and end all the senseless killing.

I don't know about Uncle Joe, but i am drinking Pyramid Hefewiezen. I recomend it to all real beer drinkers. I used to reccomend anything made by Dogfish Head, but i can't find it out west.

64 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: 59 Ron Says: 56 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: The thing about living in something other than a Democracy is that it is done all the time by hundreds if millions of people around the world (including us.)

I guess what really matters is how you respond to that.

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I wish it would include us.

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Ron, what includes you and me (for starters) is a desire for justice. Justice is actually difficult to attain under any system. Given that, all we need is to do is to keep our desire and figure it out as best we can from there.

I posted earlier about whether there is justice anymore after watching The scale, that slimey bastard) on The Tim Russert show.

74 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: I don’t know. I have not seen the video and i don’t even know which video you are refering to.

Just remember when you go to the polls three things:

Reverend Wright.

barack HUSSEIN obama.

and

No Flag Lapel Pin!

And Barak Hussein Obama is a good thing.

pli @ 63:

~ Rachel Corrie ~
1979 - 2003
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

RIP. Thanks for sharing the link. She was a unbelievably brave woman.

Because we all know that substance is for sissy bedwetting Liberals and there is no reason on earth to elect a human being who has an intelect to run the country when we have all these very well connected and not too interested people willing to run it at the drop of a $100 million in side bennies.

79 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: Because we all know that substance is for sissy bedwetting Liberals and there is no reason on earth to elect a human being who has an intelect to run the country when we have all these very well connected and not too interested people willing to run it at the drop of a $100 million in side bennies.

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Fact is, you could be honest and be a benefit to all and still become that wealthy.

GNA.

Talk about your flat earth society...

And back to Pink Floyd motif, "Money, so they say, is the root of all evil today."
xoites, I'll look for that beer. They might have it in Austin.

Chirp

While innocents die

Nor stops to cry

Well, I'm still up. Just got my brand new computer today ...

I've got some cold beers in the fridge, too. If you're in the neighbourhood, stop by.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 41:

jane is a babe....amanda is a pig

fucking skanky bitch

hope she gets cervical cancer, her insurance company refuses to cover treatment and her brains fall out of her diseased vaginal cavity

thats right...i went there

you may now delete the comment as going overboard and being hateful

Two things are clear. First, uncle joe hussein mccarthy is an idiot. And, second, McCain is a hypocrite. I don't expect him to "control" the fringes of his party -- remember the Republicans are constantly trying to claim that if someone makes an offensive comment on a lefty blog that means the blogger too is a hatemonger. It's nonsense. But there is nothing wrong with bloggers condemning such comments and deleting them. The kind of garbage that "uncle joe" wrote is pointless and he should be granted his wish (deletion).

Rather than claim that McCain is weak because he can't control the Republicans in North Carolina, Democrats should be pointing out that this is starting to look like a pattern for the Saint. He condemns Hagee's hate speech, but clings to his endorsement; he objects to the North Carolina ad, but not strongly enough for anyone to pretend the NC GOP is going to listen to him.

I repeat -- Jane is wrong. McCain isn't weak and feeble. He's a sleazy opportunist. And it's time the American people realized what a phony he is.

However, it should be recognized that surrogates are doing the dirty work of candidates in both parties. From my perspective, the Republicans are far more dishonest and scummier than the Democrats, but the fact that the Dems do it just gives the MSM permission to play their absurd "balanced" coverage game.

PS

Jane has really missed the point. Calling McCain "weak" and "feeble" is pointless. McCain represents a threat because he is going to get lots of votes from people who don't think he's weak and feeble and never are going to think that. However, they might be convinced of his hypocrisy if it is pointed out enough.

What a shadow of the former C&L, late night. Oh, well - that's progress now that the GOP is on the run. :-/

As for McSame and his faux "outrage" over the ads in NC, what a load. He spouts some KKKRove talking points so that they may "officially" denounce the ad, yet the GOP has no intention of stopping. It is an engineered dispute - as are they all. How ironic that this occurs in the same states that ran the "black baby" telephone campaign against McSame in 2000.

I'll give the GOP one thing, they are masters of subterfuge and organization in addition to being a bunch of evil, self-serving, avaricious fucktards. I use to go to a local Atlanta "liberal political group" - until I figured out that is was an ineffectual little cliquish group of circle jerking asswipes whose deepest thoughts involved what chicks they could most easily impress with their feigned "intelligence". Man, has Newt Gingrich made a lasting impression here! With these guys representing the "reality crowd", it's no wonder the GOP has consumed the nation in record time. They have an agenda, and they follow through.

There isn't a damned thing gonna change until you "reality based community" dweebs start kicking some ass - and I don't see any of that going on here or in the Democrat party.

Fucking wining, keyboard commando wimps - Grow a spine. I've done battle with segments of this faction while everyone around me either joined ranks with the enemy for profit, or ran away and hid. Unfuckingbelievable. All hat - no cattle - Just like GWB. I'll give the CA dock workers union one thing, at least they stood up - if only for a day. Leave it to a bunch of roughnecks to first wake to the reality that if you don't start doing something risky, it's gonna be too late - assuming it isn't already. They've plotted your behaviours and percieved limits of reaction, and have planned accordingly. You've got to take them out by surprise - hard and fast.

Or remain subjects of the most sophisticated Banana Republic in the world.

Recreate 68

**thump thump**

Dems take house seat in blood red district held by Republicans for 33 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Another bad omen for presidential candidate John McBush and the Republican radicals.

103 RTLM Says: Recreate 68

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Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't the Chicago Convention in 1968 the one where the police rioted and beat non violent protesters into bloody pulps?

This is not something i want to recreate. This is something i want to avoid.

RTLM 105

There is no such thing as a pro-Hillary site.

this comment bugged me all night, and I have to say something about it.

John McCain and my best friends father shared a bamboo cell in North Vietnam for 6 1/2 years. 6 1/2 of torture, humiliation, and neglect. McCain and my friends father BOTH cannot move their arms over their shoulders. They cannot do so because during torture sessions, interrogators would tie POW's necks to there feet. Then handcuff them. They would be asked to divulge information, give up there positions, their friends, and their loyalty to America. When they gave the reply of no, NVA interrogators would pull their arms up behind their back, higher and higher until their muscles tore apart, cartilage snapped, and sockets were permanently maimed.

No one, especially none of you, have any right to deface his name, or his true status as hero. None of the rest of our candidates understand war and what it REALLY means. What its really like. Except McCain. -snip-

I have a similar injury I got during my 17 year 'career' as an auto mechanic. I did it to myself - when it happened, I knew it was happening because of the contortionist position I was in, but I kept going because I had to finish the job and make the customer happy.

I had no access to health care then, so I ate handfuls of tylenol and kept working, for another 3 years. Eventually it got to the point I could no longer work, and with no medical records a workman's comp claim would just get laughed at. I STILL have no access to health care, and now I don't even have the generous $300/week paychecks I did when I was working.

Still eating tylenol, not really helping at all at this point. Can't sleep more than a few hours at a time because of pain, can't do much of anything. Can't find a job in this wonderful economy (and wonderful part of the country - 'southern hospitality' is a sham, be very skeptical whenever you hear somebody use that phrase) that doesn't involve lifting heavy shit for 10 hours a day. Got denied for disability because I don't have any medical history to back up my claims. Can't even get unemployment benefits because I had the honor to quit my last job when I couldn't do the work, instead of waiting around to get fired.

John McCain is still able to work, still has all-u-can-eat health care, and if he didn't, he could probably just go buy his own hospital. John McCain gets worshipped as a 'hero', while people like me all over the country are told to go away and be quiet.

John McCain's America is my bamboo cell.

114 Jim Says: What’s so funny about Jane’s comment re. McCain willing to change his opinion based upon who he’s talking to…because he’s so desperate to get elected…sounds exactly like Mr. Obama. Sorry, but it does. Talk to progressives, claim you’re against the war, yet vote to fund it. Talk to Fox, disavow any connection to Rev. Wright. Hillary does it too. They are all the same in this way, so don’t try and single out McCant as the only one.
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Ok, i will only single him out as the only one who is definitely NOT getting my vote.

McCain is weak and feeble! That is all that needs to be said. If McCain's wife wasn't so filthy rich and elitist we would not even be talking about this assbag- John would be writing bullshit stories about his POW experiences and that would be it. End of story!

John McCain is nothing but an aging opportunist funded by a sugar momma-stepford wife who wants to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue and she will spend every dime she has to in order to make that happen!

There is not much of anything else regarding the McCain's other than what I just said.

If the McCains wish to swim in the political pool- it would best for them to stay behind the blue floaty ropes- the deep end of the pool is where people swim and can formulate cognitive thoughts.

Geeze, its so simple!

Ummm , folks ; McStupid is weak and feeble.

What else can you call some old douchebag who reneges on every promise and supposed stance that they claim to have ?

Oh ............A Republican.

chris [not the troll] @ 113, I hear you loud and clear! I'm slowly headed for the same situation. 48 now and not likely this abused body can make it to SS retirement age, no medical history to back up disability claim and no chance of health care to get that medical history. Workers of America - breaking our backs so the ultra wealth can live their lives of luxury while turning the screws on the workers.

Well done, Jane.

RTLM @ 104:

I'm new - Is this a pro Hillary or pro Obama site?

Look at all the ads on the threads and on the side. That should give you a clue.