Breaking: CA Supreme Court Overturns State's Same-Sex Marriage Ban
By Logan Murphy Wednesday May 14, 2008 12:40pm
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The California Supreme Court has overturned the state's controversial ban on same-sex marriage (decision .pdf). As NBC's Pete Williams states, there are already groups in California trying to put anti- same-sex marriage amendment initiative on the November ballot. This makes California the second state in the union to allow same-sex couples to marry along with Massachusetts. More from the San Francisco Chronicle:
The justices' 4-3 decision Thursday says domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage. Chief Justice Ron George wrote the opinion.
The city of San Francisco, two dozen gay and lesbian couples and gay rights groups sued in March 2004 after the court halted San Francisco's monthlong same-sex wedding march.
The case before the court involved a series of lawsuits seeking to overturn a voter-approved law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Read on...
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OMG!!! Same sex marriages?!?!
Surely this will somehow bring about the end of the world!!! *rolls eyes*
Let's hope this becomes permanent.
Good decision by the court, but with a downside: it'll spur Republican voter turnout in November by energizing the bigot base.
Right frickin' on!!!
Meanwhile, as a further sign of "progress," Iraq bans opposite-sects marriage.
hooray !!!!
now will bush and cheney get papers for their partnership?
This will RACE to the Bush supremes.
Well, there's some good news for us queers, after all. I hate this nonsense that asking for equal rights to be with another man (or woman, for lesbians) is somehow a threat to hetero marriage. Fucking straights, so scared of a man who loves dick that they want to run from him!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 3:
with bush's renewed threats to destroy America, you can only guess he
and cheney will have their
business connectionsterrorist affiliations insaudi arabia attack san francisco.
Rusty Shackleford @ 5:
Actually wedge issues have an expiration date for the majority of these knuckle-draggers. When they can't pay their mortgage, their only son can't get the military benefits he was promised after taking a bullet in the spine, and gas is at $6.00 a gallon, Joe and Betty "vote against their own self interest" Sixpack won't give two shits about what Johnny and Steve do with their life.
And while the God, Guns, and Gays lobby will never go away, they are fast becoming as relevant as the John Birch Society.
Great News! Freedom marches on.
How will Ted "loin cloth" Nugent ever explain this to his fellow "conservatives"?
Great News!
General_Rennenkampf @ 10:
well, we know that those 29'ers just love Dick and always have especially
when it's got it's hand in the Bush.
Hmmm...the courts render an opinion on this controversial issue NOW...and likely to go to the Supreme Court by Sept.-Oct....hmmm...naaah...couldn't be....carry on.
dadams @ 14:
LOL. I personally think most RWers have their hands on their Johnsons when they watch the Preznit speak.
Thanks Rovians for making this an upfront issue. You may have won '04 in part with this issue. Still, thank you for bringing it up. This was unthought of until you Rovians mentioned it. And now voila!
You may now kiss the brides (asses)!
I think all Mormon homosexuals should engage in multiple marriages. Thus increasing the odds of exploding heads on a national scale.
Rusty Shackleford @ 5:
Nah, they are pretty demoralized.
Now, if Obama were to pick a lesbian as his running mate...
Hell, I have trouble with that whole marriage between opposite sexes thang.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
Well, this decision was by the California Supreme Court. I don't think there's a basis on which this case could be appealed directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.
goat hussein sage @ 19:
he would guarantee the votes of the Clinton base! LOL!..Sorry..couldn't resist.
Rusty Shackleford @ 21:
Oh...c'mon...we're talking about lawyers here. If the courts decided the sky was blue, a lawyer would appeal.
Jay Sekulow is foaming at the mouth
Liberal AND Proud @ 22:
Knew THAT was coming...
Folks, Listen-Up
This is a Ploy by the Republican Party to start a debate to sidetrack the Democratic Elections by bringing the Homophobic right out on Election day.
The California Supreme Court has on one Democrat on board, Here's the line up of the Justices:
The Court currently has six Republicans (George, Kennard, Baxter, Werdegar, Chin, and Corrigan) and one Democrat (Moreno), although most of the Republicans tend to be moderate.
It's a GREAT day today here in California...
My partner of 13 years and I will be applying for a marriage license as soon as they are available.
Again, it's a great day!!!!!!!!!!!
it took all of one day for an appeal on the iowa ruling for same sex marriage, let's see how Cali does
Kanan @ 27:
See my comment at #26
They are doing this to steal the Elections from the Democrats.
delicious irony that Pete Williams (formerly Closeted Bush I Iraq War I Pentagon mouthpiece) delivered the news...Weddings Bells Mr Pete?
I can just imagine the building anger at right-wing and Fundie sites...I'm sure the pudgy, Cheeto stained fingers are just flying over the keyboards to record the outrage at this illegal and immoral ruling of "activist" Judges...
They should be careful though...too much frothing at the mouth can cause an overload of spittle to fall into the keys and short-circuit the whole computer...
And KUDOS to Governor Awnold for his comment in support of this Judicial decision!!!
Great news!
... and remember, they don't have gay people in Iran. ; )
Kanan @ 27:
Hey congratulations!!! :D
golden joe @ 24:
Keep us posted in case he keels over. We don't want to miss it.
wagonjak - They should be careful though…too much frothing at the mouth can cause an overload of spittle to fall into the keys and short-circuit the whole computer…
And they sure don't want their Mommies mad at them...
To those above concern trolling about increasing Republican turnout in November...don't worry your little selves...California will be solidly in the Dem column after the election in spite of this ruling!
Don't forget to contribute to the campaigns that will be fighting the constitutional amendment!
Don't forget to mobilize around election day. We will have some angry people in Bakersfield, but remember that we have more people in San F. We just have to get them to the polls - Rent a bus!
Don't forget you have to continue fighting every day you can.
MargeAggedon @ 33:
Thanks Marge :)
Way to go California....
I take back most of the things I said about you guys electing that steroid fiend, serial booty grabbing, no acting dope for your Governor.
More good news: this should cause major blood vessels to burst in B. Orally's head!
wagonjak @ 36:
I have no fear about California; it's all the other states that are going to use this decision to rush "defense of marriage" bullshit legislation through their statehouses.
Good. Anything to drive the right wing hateful Christian fascists crazy is wonderful.
Proud of my city, proud of my state.
Here we go! The Republicans are going to use this against Obama 24/7 in the nastiest negative ads imaginable.
Hooray for California!
Liberal AND Proud @ 23:
Actually, the Supreme Court wouldn't have a say in this matter even if some bozo tried. The decision concerns an interpretation of California's Constitution, and a state's highest court -- e.g., the California Supreme Court -- has the final say as to whether something violates its state constitution, not the U.S. Supreme Court (which only hears cases implicating federal law). Unless there was some issue that implicated federal law -- i.e., that there was some violation of the U.S. Constitution -- the Supremes have no role in reviewing this decision.
LisaCCollins @ 44:
THERE! Over the hill of dead bodies! GAY PEOPLE MARRYING!!
LisaCCollins @ 44:
Republicans have not had much luck lately using Obama against anything...
Just look at what has happened in IL, LA & MS....
Boner is still crying...
Yes, it's a good ruling, by a 4-3 decision (mark that). Arnold says he'll back it, and that's great news for same-sex couples in California.
Now ...
Don't rest on your laurels. Agitate. Keep fighting. Loving v Virginia destroyed the thesis that marriage must be between "the races;" now it's necessary to convince the Supreme Court of the USA and others that no one can legislate the direction a human heart can take, or restrict by law where love takes a person.
Sue @ 46:
You take all the fun outta life, Sue. ; 0 )
Wow! And I'd pretty much given up on the notion of the courts being an agent for progressive social justice. I've never been happier to have been mistaken.
Liberal AND Proud @ 50:
Sorry, it's the lawyer in me. Remember when lawn darts went away? that was us.
Now I wonder how soon before Phelps and his merry band of concern trolls shows up to protest.
Wow.. this will get the thumps panties all twisted up in god fearing knots. I can hear it now " damn activist judges ".
LisaCCollins @ 44:
You're probably right, but Obama actually hasn't explicitly endorsed gay marriage. None of the remaining candidates have. Their positions are here.
California Supreme Court has overturned the state’s controversial ban on same-sex marriage
Holy shit!!
Must......resist.....urge......to.......dump......the.....Mrs......and........start.........canoodling.....with......men.
Seriously, congrats California. Always 5-10 years ahead of the rest of the US as usual.
Col Kilgore @ 54:
Yeah, as they fill up their F-150 @ $4.00 a gallon.
I don't care what somones sexual preferrence is as long as they keep it to themselves. This old "shouting it from the rooftops" is a bunch of hooey. Heterosexuals do not shout their preference from the rooftops.
Same-sex marriage should not even be considered in any state because homosexuals must RECRUIT, they cannot PROCREATE. Even if they are allowed to adopt, a child raised in that atmosphere will most certainly lead a homosexual lifestyle (whether he/she wants to or not), be taunted by their peers, and end up not knowing what is right/wrong for him/her. There are 100's of other reasons this should not happen.
That's going to piss off the bigots of the rightwing. Heh, heh, hehhhh.
Rusty Shackleford @ 55:
How Ironic would it be if Obama said, "I think we should leave it up to each individual state to decide."
Obama would need to say nothing more
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 42:
What's wrong with being Christian??? And hey, I am Democratic, no right-wing here.
Hug The Moon @ 17:
Maybe Karl (Rove) will move to California and shack up with Jeff Gannon.
Wouldn't that be the biggest kick in the ass...?
rain @ 58:
I see you're not a woman who has ever walked past a frat house.
Paul @ 59:
You got that right. See comment #58 for example.
Christian fascists hate us for our freedoms. God damned fucking traitors! Good to see that we have _some_ civil rights defenders in our courts.
Kanan @ 60:
That's essentially what all the remaining candidates have said.
dadams @ 14:
HA! You're on fire!
Is it my faltering memory, or my paranoia, but don't we have this kind of thing come up every year there's a national election?
Wasn't it Massachusetts last time?
Rusty Shackleford @ 63:
Or a construction lot, lol!
I think if someone who happens to be gay, wants to get married, it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever...that being said, i don't care to here about the details of the love life...unless of course, it's two hot lesbians...heheheheee!
As the Cal Supremes are considered 6 to 1, Conservative to Liberal, I applaud their decision as good jurisprudence with minimal politics.
rain @ 58:
Oh really? What about the endless conversations I've heard over the years from brides to be about wedding showers and cable television shows like 'Bridezilla'? What about the endless conversations about "Where should I go for my bachelor party?"
What a clown you are! LOL!
You need to get out more and stop staring at that framed picture of mAnn Coulter you have about your bed.
Yeeha! Good going, California! There go the heterosexuals's "special rights" to marry.
As California goes, so goes the nation--eventually.
http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issue_marriage_ca
That is the web site for the activists on the ground pushing the issue.
I just gave them $5. You should too! We should send them flowers.
Yahoooooooo!
imagine that; "with equality and justice for all"!
such an American concept.
Civil laws was designed to protect all segments of civilization their equal right and opportunity. Even the criminals have their rights within the law. Depriving the gay population their legal rights to the same opportunity as everyone else does not strengthen the the civil right of our nations population.
With this said the supreme court was correct in its decisions.
Civil issues particularly the right to civil marraige should be available to all humans. Civil marriage is separate from "religious marraige".
Bravo to the Supreme Court Judges who were able to make a fair equitable ruling.
Perhaps the Supreme Courts Decision may be the beginning of restoring public confidences in our nations legal system. This is a POSITIVE direction and will impact and strengthen our nation civil rights and how the rest of the world will view our democracy. Although we have not caught-up with the French; Spain; Denmark; and other advanced nation; WE are beginning to move back to the right path. The past 8 years has been moving at a backward and sideward direction. Perhaps the next decade will bring our nation back to its progressive; productive track again.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
It cannot go to the U.S. Supreme Court. It is a state issue, pure and simple. It involves NO federal laws.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 56:
No canoodling with men. Only women...and then only the offically sanctioned missionary canoodling position. We're a god fearing nation.
Unless of course you're a Republican...if so...just carry on.
They should just ban all marriage.
rain @ 58:
I'm not sure if you need to get out more...or less.
colewood @ 75:
Like the civil rights issue in the '60s, right.
Climb back in your time capsule and set it for 1950. You'll feel right at home.
rain @ 58:
Ever been to New Orleans at Mardi Gras? Now there's a hetero pride perade. Furthermore, Anita Bryant, is that you?
And yes, lesbians can procreate. We gay men are just having too much fun to bother with you serious types.
rain @ 61:
Liar
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 26:
And Earl Warren was a Republican, appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court by a Republican president, and Mr. Warren then proceeded to preside over the most progressive Supreme Court in U.S. history. Sometimes, believe it or not, people just do what's right.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 56:
HA! Don't you know yer tallywhacker will fall off if ya go around canoodling with menfolk!
emphasa @ 77:
I agree! It is after all the number one reason for divorce! think about it!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 69:
Hey, as long as they keep up their property and keep the kids off my lawn...they can live next to me!
Erik @ 28:
There can be NO appeal. There is nowhere to appeal to. Appeals proceed up the chain to the highest court, and here they have reached the highest court. The only court higher is the U.S. Supreme Court and they cannot hear this case as it involves NO federal statutes. Why do you think the USSC has never heard an appeal of the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision? Because it involves ONLY state law, which they cannot rule on.
rain @ 58:
Your comment is total bullshit.
And heteros don't need to shout it from the rooftops; it's automatically assumed by you and people like you that everyone is hetero. And the whole culture is bent that way, from love scenes in movies and on television, to moronic statements made by people like you.
Homosexuality is a life condition, like heterosexuality, ethnicity, hair colour, height-the list goes on. No recruitment is needed. Nor would it work.
People like you is what's wrong with this country and the world, for that matter. Everyone is ENTITLED to human and civil rights, even people like you.
I hope that one day, you'll get the education you so richly deserve.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 3:
I think we should just wait and see if God brings down his wrath against California. Can Hagee explain what these poor people in Mynmar did to offend him - China too for that matter. I didn't realize these Countries had Gay Parades, so what exactly was it?
You gotta clear this up for me: What happened to the rulings in New Jersey and Iowa? I thought the courts there had ordered the states to allow same-sex marriage as well, some time ago. And if I remember correctly, then-Govenor Spitzer of New York also wanted to introduce legislation that would legalize same-sex marriage in New York. Does anyone know what happend to those three cases (regarding Spitzer: besides the sex scandal, is it still the policy of the Democratic state government to legalize same-sex marriage?)?
Rain sez "homosexuals must RECRUIT, they cannot PROCREATE."
That's sheer idiocy and old-fashioned. Ever hear of turkey basters, Rain? Procreation doesn't require two heterosexuals; it only requires sperm and eggs. And those are plentiful.
A gay friend of mine in Atlanta explained it well. He said there are plenty of people who want to do what I want to do, without any of this recruiting business.
What are you REALLY scared of, Rain? That you'll become one? Go for it!!
Good for us (CA).
I always chuckle when I think of Alan Keyes and Rick Santorum and others who warned about the "temptation" of gay sex. Maybe they just think that continuing to legislate against it will help keep it 'dirty'. They should ask Larry Craig.
missmarple @ 89:
They're brown heathens...that's his justification. He has the picture of the white Christ to prove it.
I don't know why we call america the land of the free, we have more chicken shit laws up our butt than we can stand, most of which were pushed on us by the "you must live like the magical being wants you to live" crowd in their effort to control everybody. Why is/was this ever an issue? Outside of the world of dipshits, it never was, how proudly they can say," the country may be trashed, but at least the gays can't get married". Well done you fucking hicks! CEO
Liberal AND Proud @ 93:
and yellow...sorry...shoulda said non-white heathens.
rain @ 58:
Actually, if you bothered to look up the research BEFORE spouting off, you would find that the VAST majority of children raised by homosexuals grow up to be heterosexual That's because you CAN'T BE TURNED INTO A HOMOSEXUAL if you aren't one. It isn't contagious, either.
Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual and my classification, trisexual - if it has anything to do with sex I try it.
Liberal AND Proud @ 80:
Well, the cases the Supreme Court heard involving civil rights involved federal law--the Civil Rights Act and the 14th and 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
I, for one, am pretty happy this particular set of Supremes won't hear this case.
colewood @ 96:
However, the last 25 years of white bigotry in this nation is proof that stupidity is contagious.
Greg @ 90:
colewood @ 83:
I really hope your right Colewood, but after 7.5 years of sneaky tricks this one seems to smell like day old fish to me.
Liberal AND Proud @ 86:
No WAY man! I called dibs on the hot lesbians!
Sue @ 98:
True. But the passing of those laws I would argue were for expediency. The nation had a tiger by the tail at that time, and the passing of those laws is still unconsidered unconstitutional solely due to the issue of "states rights".
You know where this is heading.
This IS a civil rights issues, and the bottom line is that until homosexuals are hung from trees in large numbers, there is no political pressure at the national level. However, homosexuals had stayed in the closet for the most part because of fear, particularly in certain "backward" states. The goal of the extreme right is to drive them back into the closet.
Liberal AND Proud @ 103:
Sorry...still "considered unconstitutional by certain portions of our society"
rain@61 Nothing wrong with being a believer in the magical being, just fucking keep your fairy tales to your self and don't shout it from the roof tops. Why don't you let yourself go and come on out of that closet your in, since your hiding a gay person inside that homo-fearing little mind of yours. Set yourself free and just come out and tell the world, I'am GAY, you will feel better I'am sure. And by the way stay off our side troll. CEO
rain @ 58:
Did you get your Obama eating a "banana" T-shirt yesterday? This same sex marriage is only an issue because people like you need to piss on somebody to feel less miserable about yourself. Your rationale is the same kind of narrow minded bigot bullshit I read all day yesterday at this site.
GREAT NEWS! Equality for all!
It seems any initiative against this is DOA:
Check this out from today's rulling:
"we conclude that, under this state's Constitution, the constitutionally based right to marry properly must be understood to encompass the core set of basic substantive legal rights and attributes traditionally associated with marriage that are so integral to an individual's liberty and personal autonomy that they may not be eliminated or abrogated by the Legislature or by the electorate through the statutory initiative process."
Any lawyers out here who can confirm that any anti-gay marriage intiative is DOA?
rain @ 58:
Exactly who was on your rooftop screaming about their sexuality? Rather than whining on the internet, Call 911!
FunMe @ 107:
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Inalienable rights.
Reaffirmed in the '64 Civil Rights Act.
You can't outlaw marriage between human beings.
When the aliens invade...I'll be in favor of interbeing joinings too. Pssst...fundies...we're ALL God's children...aren't we?
LOL!!! The Neocon nutbags are foaming at the mouths in the streets all over the country...HA!
Fixed news will be on terrorist alert condition BRIGHT RED for years...HAAA!!
Now might be a good time to implement George Carlin's old plan of walling off a state, 50ft high with a 8 inch gap every 50 miles.. Put all the Neocons in the pit and watch who gets out every six months or so when the gaps are opened for 30 minutes....HA!!!
What a hoot....
rain @ 61:
You may think so, but your unlearned opinion about homosexuality paints you as a non progressive one. And not very Democratic. Nor Christ-like. Your words give you away.
RB-Chicago @ 110:
I look forward to the price of shaving cream dropping! Economic recovery is on the march!
LOL, I missed this gem. It is truly sad that people this stupid have been able to survive.
FunMe @ 107:
The new initiative is to amend the California Constitution. It is not DOA.
ashton @ 113:
or procreate.
Rusty Shackleford @ 114:
Political strategy. They allow that...then the fight is extended...once again...to states' rights...the declaring of the Civil Rights Act as unconstitutional...and the unwinding of civil liberties for all.
The nutwings look at the big picture. This is NOT about gays. It is about blacks, jews, immigrants, women...anyone who is NOT them.
The goal of the right wingers and the neocons is to unwind the '6os. They have made great strides against labor and workers...they will push and push and push. No one is safe.
And for those that think I am overreacting....ok...fine.
Those who ignore the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
Democracy and freedom are never won. They are continually fought for.
California Republicans are celebrating! Only good news for them in the past year! It's "wedge issue" time, just in time for the November ballot! I'm still optimistic Calif will stay blue, but this thing is probably also going to get passed and the Court's judgment overturned. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican judge or two voted to overturn the ban, just to get it on the November ballot. Anyway,
the real happy people are the ones that hate gays the most....
Good. Why should heterosexuals be the only ones to make a mockery of marriage?
Don @ 118:
A lesson to all those who were cheering.
The right wing controls most of the lower courts in this nation. A concerted strategy for the last 20+ years that has wrought huge benefits.
This is being set up to attack liberals and ultimately the Democratic nominee.
Wedge issues are the ONLY issues that the GOP can run on. They can't run on the war or the economy.
Liberal AND Proud @ 115:
or cogitate. surely some would suffocate whilst masticating with their mandibles agape while simultaneously attempting to respirate. Oh yeah.
Heavens to Betsy!!
Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.
Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling!
Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos.
Winston:The dead rising from the grave!
Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 42:
The hateful fascists were likely to stay home on election day because they hate McCain so much. All he has to do now is come out in favor of 'traditional values' or whatever he wants to call it, and he can mobilize them. I agree that the timing is dubious... But 8 years has made me paranoid.
conservatoire @ 122:
Winston: I seen shit that'd turn you white!
conservatoire @ 122:
Don't threaten me with a good time!!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 124:
Let's run some red lights!!!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 103:
I agree that this is most certainly a civil rights issue. But that it is doesn't make this particular court case decided by the California Supreme Court a federal issue SCOTUS will hear because the claim was brought under the California Constitution, not the federal.
For the people who think the CRAs are unconstitutional because of states rights, my guess would be they wouldn't have ever been on board no matter how expedient anyone thought the new laws were. And, well, in this case they got what they've always said they wanted: this was a state court decision after all. I'm not expecting them to be consistent on that, though. Seems like the banner of states' rights is always held high when the states are screwing the right people over. But, if some state out there might do something the right doesn't agree with, well then they call the feds to come in with something like DOMA.
But, think how pissed they'd have been if SCOTUS had issued the same opinion, finding California in violation of the US Constitution. All we'd be hearing is how the Court was imposing its will on California and trampling states rights, yadayadayada. At least we don't have to listen to that BS. I'd prefer a more uniform ruling that protects the rights of all Americans, but I don't think we'd get that from this particular Court anyway (actually, the thought of what they would have decided scares me).
As for it taking hanging people in trees to get sufficient political pressure, I think the CRAs had more to do with the televising and publication of those hangings (and water hoses, etc that came with segregation) around the world than a response to the hangings themselves (which had been going on for decades before the CRAs). But, when it hit the airwaves and exposed our nation's dirty laundry to the world, well that was too much. I hope, maybe naively, that it won't have to come to that again.
Heterosexuals do not shout their preference from the rooftops.
This is true. One thing you never see heterosexuals doing is publicly displaying their heterosexuality. You never see hetero "Just Married" limos leaving churches full of flamboyantly dressed heteros throwing non-gay rice, etc.
You never see heteros flaunting their sexual lifestyle by having photos of their sex partners (who they like to cal "husbands" and "wives") on their desks at work.
You never hear heteros talking about their partners amongst co-workers.
You never see TV shows, movies or anything like that focusing on heterosexual relationships, marriages, or straight romances.
I mean, if straights did all that then maybe, just maybe gays would have a right to do it also. But since straights DONT do that, the stinking gays should just shut up and stop trying to shove their existence down everyones throat.
Liberal AND Proud @ 125:
Ah dang...I haven't seen that movie in like...50-11 years...as many times as my sister made me everyone watch it, I should know every line...*hangs head in shames*
And you also never see scantily clad people on TV shows and even soda pop advertisements in blatant displays of heteroeroticism.
Sue @ 127:
Sue, fundamentally we are in agreement. I understand the legal footing that you're citing. Law is of course a function of the politics of the time.
I also hope that it will not take the images of homosexuals being shot in middle class neighborhoods for the simple crime of moving in, or hung from trees because they walked into the wrong bar, to change this country. However, the covert and even overt racism against a legitimate non-white candidate for President is showing that we have a long way to go.
Thanks for a very enlighteing discussion.
Hangs head in SHAME, even...
craig @ 130:
Nope, ESPECIALLY not in beer ads!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 133:
Yeah, remember the Swedish Bikini Team? Blatantly forcing their, uh... heterosexuality down our throats!
rain @ 61:
Doesn't sound like you're right wing, hateful or fascist, so I don't think he meant you. You sound like you belong to that larger subset that believes in loving your neighbor and helping the poor and down trodden. It's the ones who pervert the faith so they get a chance to do some trodding on teh gayess, and distract themselves from their bosses and megapreachers trodding on THEIR families, that we love to tweak.
What would be REALLY sick would be if heteros actually wore jewelry openly displaying the fact that they are bonded in some sick hetero sexual union with someone of the opposite sex. Or worse, took their sex partner's SURNAME for God's sake.
Sure am glad none of THAT twisted shit happens... forcing their heterosexual lifestyles down our throats every time you had to call them by name - literally making you have to broadcast their sexuality YOURSELF everytime you addressed them. Can you imagine how sick that would be?
Rusty Shackleford @ 134:
Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!
remember, this bruhaha came up right before another election...
craig @ 136:
Disgusting! Imagine, having to get your ungodly heterosexual union SANCTIONED by the state!!!!
And having the ENTIRE families from both parties attend! It's unimaginable!
Rusty Shackleford @ 134:
How do you know they weren't all lesbians?
Liberal AND Proud @ 140:
We were kinda hoping a few were! Wink wink nudge nudge!
Liberal AND Proud @ 140:
Never you mind
Congrats to CA gays. May you now enjoy the misery married hetero couples nationwide have!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 141:
Who's WE? ; 0 )
rain @ 58:
LIAR!
They shout it from church pulpits, press conferences (especially when caught engaging in homo-hanky-panky in public restrooms), the campaign trail, Congress, the White House, TV commercials, Op-Ed pieces, Fox Noise, sporting events, school board meetings, street corners and (as pointed out above) from frat house rooftops.
Interesting that the very people who decry "big government" are the very people who use government to tell others how they should live. From gay marriage bans, to euthanasia bans, to drug laws, to intrusion of church and state, the repugs are all about telling others how to live their lives and intruding into personal issues.
And another thing, for all of those repugs who will be crying for a 'constitutional amendment', they are completely going against their supposed 'other value', which is states' rights. Family issues such as marriage issues are matters of state law (unless it violates a federal constitutional principle). We just need scalia or thomas to ...ahem..leave the court, and get another progressive judge (who Obama will hopefully appoint), and then we can have a final supreme court decision striking down gay marriage bans.
Liberal AND Proud @ 131:
Sue, fundamentally we are in agreement. I understand the legal footing that you're citing. Law is of course a function of the politics of the time.
I also hope that it will not take the images of homosexuals being shot in middle class neighborhoods for the simple crime of moving in, or hung from trees because they walked into the wrong bar, to change this country. However, the covert and even overt racism against a legitimate non-white candidate for President is showing that we have a long way to go.
Thanks for a very enlighteing discussion.
I think we are too--though I'd include talk about the covert and overt racism *and sexism* against legitimate non-white male presidential candidates, not to mention the religious bigotry implicated in this very same presidential race. It is all very depressing.
And, well, crap and corruption, I forgot about Matthew Shepard. So, there already has been at least one image in the media. How could I have misplaced that image?
Liberal AND Proud @ 144:
Me?
Sue @ 46:
But I would have thought the Florida Supreme Court would have the final say on a Florida election. The State's Rights conservatives will do some amazing things. The decision (I just skimmed), tries very hard not to mention federal law, but they do say the California constitution is based on the federal constitution and that the US Supreme Court made the right to marry part of the right to privacy in Griswald. Doesn't seem a great case for appeal, but the sniff of privacy will be tempting for Scalia & Co.
That said, there are plenty of people who are going to be pissed of that courts are making these decisions and it's going to hurt the Democrats. Republicans aren't angry. They've dispatched people to be angry on the radio today, the rest are celebrating.
They will just switch it off again- probably in a few months. Anything to take the headlines away from truly important issues. Gay marriage pro or con is not going to solve any of the critical issues destroying this nation. That said, gay people have the right to be just as miserable as any straight married couple.
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