This Week: Karl Rove Stammers Through Siegelman Defense
By Nicole Belle Saturday May 24, 2008 1:00pm
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I will never understand why Karl Rove is considered a political genius. A "dirty tricks master"? Absolutely. An amoral partisan hack? Indubitably. But genius? Nuh uh. He managed to pull out all the stops to illegitimately place his candidate in office and then consistently played the American public for sheep by repeating talking points over and over until they became conventional wisdom, but that's no more than what P.T. Barnum did, just on a national scale. Mercifully, I think we're collectively wising up on Rove's antics and they're coming back to haunt him. On This Week, host George Stephanopoulos asks him about the subpoenas hanging over his head and he can only stammer the same talking point over and over: he heard about the prosecution in the paper. I LOVE it when he tries to claim that no one remembers the phone call that initiated the plan to railroad Don Siegelman and Stephanopoulos says that the phone record has been produced. Pwned!
STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's what the House report said. It said, "In May 2007, a Republican attorney for northern Alabama named Jill Simpson wrote an affidavit stating that in November 2002, she heard a prominent Alabama Republican operative named Bill Canary say that Karl Rove had contacted the Justice Department about bringing a prosecution of Don Siegelman. The question for Mr. Rove is whether he directly or indirectly discussed the possibility of prosecuting Don Siegelman with either the Justice Department or Alabama Republicans." Did you?
ROVE: Let me say three things. First of all, I think it's interesting -- everybody who was supposedly on that telephone call that Ms. Simpson talks about says that the call never took place. I'd say...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Although she produced a cell phone record, according to the committee.
ROVE: Well, I would say three things. First of all, I have -- I learned about Don Siegelman's prosecution by reading about it in the newspaper. Second of all, this is really about a constitutional question of separation of powers. Congress, the House Judiciary Committee, wants to be able to call presidential aides on its whim up to testify, violating the separation of powers. Executive privilege has been asserted by the White House in a similar instance in the Senate. It will probably be asserted very quickly in this -- in the House. Third, the White House has agreed -- I'm not asserting any personal privilege. The White House has offered, and my lawyers offered, several different ways in which if the House wants to find out information about this, they can find out information about this. And they've refused to avail themselves of those opportunities.
Uh no, Karl. Your "availability" was predicated on you not swearing an oath, behind closed doors with no transcripts and/or by doing it by letter only. And the "Executive Privilege" assertion only works if you are admitting that you discussed this with the President and that's something you deny--but keep repeating that, the sheep won't realize that you're incorrectly applying the privilege. Finally, the whole "Separation of Powers" argument is as inside out as any other assertion Rove makes. This IS one of the powers guaranteed to Congress as checks and balances against an Executive branch run amok.
Face it, Karl, I don't think repeating that talking point over and over is working any longer. Karma's a bitch, baby.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We're just about out of time. This is -- as you know, and our viewers probably know, you were subpoenaed this week by the House Judiciary Committee to give testimony on any involvement you may have had with the prosecution of former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman. He's claiming there was selective prosecution. He's out on bail now, even though he was convicted. He says your fingerprints were all over it.
Here's what the House report said. It said, "In May 2007, a Republican attorney for northern Alabama named Jill Simpson wrote an affidavit stating that in November 2002, she heard a prominent Alabama Republican operative named Bill Canary say that Karl Rove had contacted the Justice Department about bringing a prosecution of Don Siegelman. The question for Mr. Rove is whether he directly or indirectly discussed the possibility of prosecuting Don Siegelman with either the Justice Department or Alabama Republicans." Did you?
ROVE: Let me say three things. First of all, I think it's interesting -- everybody who was supposedly on that telephone call that Ms. Simpson talks about says that the call never took place. I'd say...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Although she produced a cell phone record, according to the committee.
ROVE: Well, I would say three things. First of all, I have -- I learned about Don Siegelman's prosecution by reading about it in the newspaper. Second of all, this is really about a constitutional question of separation of powers. Congress, the House Judiciary Committee, wants to be able to call presidential aides on its whim up to testify, violating the separation of powers. Executive privilege has been asserted by the White House in a similar instance in the Senate. It will probably be asserted very quickly in this -- in the House. Third, the White House has agreed -- I'm not asserting any personal privilege. The White House has offered, and my lawyers offered, several different ways in which if the House wants to find out information about this, they can find out information about this. And they've refused to avail themselves of those opportunities.
We didn't say, close off any option to do anything else that you want to do in the future. We said if you want to hear about this, let's sit down and talk about this, and then you're entitled to do what you want to do in the future. This is now tied up in court. It's going to be tied up in court and settled in court. And frankly, the House last week doing this, you know, is duplicating what the Senate has already done and it's already found its way into the courts.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But to be clear, you did not contact the Justice Department about this case?
ROVE: I read about -- I'm going to simply say what I've said before, which is I found out about Don Siegelman's investigation and indictment by reading about it in the newspaper.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But that's not a denial.
ROVE: I've -- you know, I read -- I heard about it, read about it, learned about it for the first time by reading about it in the newspaper.
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Frankly, this is an image that will have to be chemically removed from my brain. Thanks Nicole!
First (?) to say "Fuck you KKKarl!"
Karl Rove Claims Jail Has Made Siegelman a ‘New Man’
The fact that the MSM put this nasty looking, evil, career liar on national television, expressing his sick, criminally fucked up opinions speaks volumes about the credibility and the utter lack of honor our present day media has.
If he has nothing to hide and was not involved in this in any way, then why would he need executive privilege?
Rove not only read and heard about it he also instigated it and made sure that the prosecution was carried out. This person, Rove, should be imprisoned along side of Bush and Cheney!! His days of "talking points" and underhanded schemes are over and should have been over 9 years ago! Curl up and die you freakin' slime!!
What kind of complete moron is Steph?
No wonder Clinton fired his ass. He only would have gotten them into trouble.
How could a senior policy adviser have no explicit training on exec priv?
This kind of obsequious faux journalism merely reduces these interviews to vanity portfolios. There was a time we could count on journalists to at least try to pin a bad liar down. Now they are nothing more than big hairdos.
Pathetic.
STEPHANOPOULOS nailed him to the wall!!!!
Just to be clear! Rove still has not denied that he had direct conversation in regarding Don Siegelman selected prosecution.
Karl Rove has made several attempt to hide from justice to no avail for a bargain plea.
Don Davis @ 3:
It is my deepest hope that jail makes turd blossom a better man as well. [Deleted-Sitemonitor].
Too bad Karl is above the law. Otherwise he would be treated the same way you or I would be treated if someone alleged that a phone we made may have broken the law...
Arrest first, then incarcerate, then ask questions later. For Karl it's the exact opposite. First, ask questions later. The other two actions are then rendered unnecessary.
Oh and BTW, his lawyers should also be arrested for conspiracy to obstruct a congressional investigation. But our representatives are dining out with these criminals, so don't expect any action from them. Our judges send their kids to the same school, so ditto for them.
Our prisons are filled with the wrong people. The inmates are running the asylum.
IMHO burn the place down and start over. Otherwise settle in for a slow decay saturated with blood. There's no saving what's left of the republic.
Rove said essentially the same thing in the Valery Plame Wilson Exposure Scandal; He was Lying then.
Why should we believe him now????
You can see Rove smile a little in the end.
He knows he's going to get away with it.
He knows Stephanopoulos knows he's getting away with it.
It's all game.
Waiting until Jan 20 2009
This is The Forth Estate?
I would have liked to see Stephaluphagous put the "executive privilege" argument in historical context (i.e. Nixon tried), and explain the parameters of Bush's proposed remedy (i.e. no transcript, no recording, behind closed doors), but otherwise, a pretty good job by Stephy dropping the cell phone record and the "that wasn't a denial."
Ninth Ward @ 13:
No reason to stop prosecuting criminals after their terms end.
Ninth Ward @ 13:
We'll find out who the DL (designated loser) is then.
Left&Left @ 4:
Exactly!!
Wait, so P.T. Barnum wasn't a genius? Holy shit!
Good post Nichole and amen to your Karma comment
No sense convicting Ratfucker til his pardoner's pulling pud in Paraguay...
I guess it's the soft bigotry of low expectations, but I was pleasantly surprised that Steph managed to scrape up the journalistic integrity to point out that Rove didn't deny the accusation.
But really, it's still a miserable situation. Rove got away with Plame, and he'll probably get away with this.
And that really stinks.
“that wasn’t a denial.”
Key point and Rove's answer wasn't to deny.
I don't know, if you refuse to deny something can that be construed as admitting it?
I think you got it right, rove is clever, and saw something that he was able to exploit, but that is not genius. and getting away with everything every time because you own every one and are fine with cheating, isn't genius, it's smart, but not genius.
Rove is dripping with guilt. He should be in prison for outing Plame, there was a time in this country that would've taken place already. Unfortunately this countries judicial system has been highjacked by criminals like Rove.
Rove has previously stated there was no contact between the White House and him regarding this issue. If that is the case then how can there be executive privilege?
The thing with people like Rove is that they get so cocky, so over confident that eventually they make a mistake.
Granted, I think he'll some how walk away from this. But he just might have screwed up enough that this just might expose the dirty ,under handed tactics he's known for.
He might have pushed his luck a little too far this time. He's burned a lot of bridges along the way.
Maybe someone will stand up to him now. I hope so,because if anyone deserves to go to prison for tampering with the voting process, it's him.
moondancer @ 10:
He's aleady a "son of a bitch".
What a piece of sh!*! Just answer the friggin question "Turb-Man"!
Is it any wonder why the majority of Americans believe nothing of what comes from
the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rove...et al.
"I will never understand why Karl Rove is considered a political genius. A “dirty tricks master”? An amoral partisan hack?"
I think you left out "major closet case"
Rove seemed nervous for a nano second when George dropped the bomb. Rove quickly recovered and appeared to be as confident as ever that he continues to ride above the rule of law along with the rest of the Bush administration.
A Crook and a Liar!!! How appropriate.
"Karma’s a bitch, baby."
That hits it on the nose good buddy! Don't ya love it when the karma comes together?
Kathleen @ 29:
Rove's done, stick a fork in em.
Nothing will happen. Maybe Conyers has some balls, but he can't do it all by himself. You know why nothing will happen to Rove? Because we have been living in a dictatorship since Bush declared himself above the law, and we did nothing. Maybe now the Democrats will realize it. No, they'll just scurry around writing supposedly strongly worded letters and blustering. We're all worried about what some porcine gossip monger is saying when the voting machines are still easily compromised. You'd better send for a paper ballot, like I am doing, so at least they break their backs trying to carry the election away instead of just having to change a few numbers in a database. Well, at least when Conyers fails, a few more people will wake up that nothing has any power agaisnst the executive anymore. The House has power, but not equal power. It's all over. Nothing to see here. Move along.
The fact that Rove is still muddying our air waves with his poison demonstrates for the world just how perverted our country continues to be. This is a person who was part of the team to out Valerie Plame, this is a man who went along with undermining U.S. National Security, as politicized our justice system, undermined our election process etc etc and he is still able to poison our air waves.
Says a great deal about our country.
Give KKKarl some of those "weapons" sold by the 22 year old munitions guru from ? Florida and send him into Sadr city alone.
Bruce @ 32:
A frog march for justice. Only time will tell whether our Reps have the will to find the way..
Didn't PT Barnum also say the "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time..." quote?
Unfortunately for Rove and the rest of these traitors, they're seeing the validity of that wisdom.
He's wrong, he's on the run, he broke the law and deserves to be placed in the gallows! And still, I can't be certain the weak-kneed Dems will do anything to save the republic. If they would just impeach, as they SHOULD do, executive privilege would mean fuck all.
Fuck you, Pig-Boy! Say it under oath, or don't say it at all.
By the way, did your son, who turned 18 last year, sign
up for a trip to Iraq yet? Let me guess...
mrplow,
No, that was Abe Lincoln. PT Barnum's most famous words were, "There's a sucker born every minute." Roughly comparable.
Just sayin'.
Stephanopolis: "He [Siegleman] is out on bail even though he was convicted..." This makes it sound as though Siegleman has been given some kind of preferrential treatment when, it is my understanding, that it is standard to let people out on bail pending appeal in this type of situation. Stephanopolis is stupid and obviously leans to the Republican side.
Liar, liar, rants on fire!
Here is the future of Rove.
Convictions on dozens of crimes.
Pardoned by Bush.
Takes over Ollie North's gig on radio.
It is too bad there is no recourse for White House criminals in this country.
No matter how Rove ties to frame it as a separation of powers issue, we must counter with the issue is one that concerns our political touchstone--the concept of rule of law (and its corollary, no man is above the law). Both separation of powers and checks and balances are processes to maintain the rule of law. No one, however, should say they are of equal value to the principle of rule of law. The supreme principle is rule of law. period. Checks and balances and separation of powers are tools to keep one branch from bullying another. The Bush Administration has created a script that says these two tools were to keep only the Executive Branch from being bullied. Not true, it applies to each of the branches.
I thought George showed more character than usual by pressing Rove on his non-denial. I enjoyed Rove's Porky Pig moment when he tried to sputter out an answer. I was rather expecting George to comment on Rove's lack of flag tie on this Memorial Day weekend. As an aside, how much degreaser do you think it took ABC to clean the studio?
rove and all the bush crime family will be given a blanket pardon for any and all crimes against the american people , you heard it here first from the sixth most honest person here!
Kathleen @ 37:
I think time has passed for this Congress to do anything.
Rove may be a little nervous, but he already got away with outing Plame. He knows odds are good for him here.
Somehow Stephanopolis was unable to discern that Rove was not denying any of the accusations against him when he said that he heard of the indictment from the newspapers since the duplicity of which he is accused would have taken place before the indictment. Stephanopolis is incapable of hard hitting journalism against Republicans but when it comes to slamming Obama for something his pastor said he is very capable.
I get so sick of the Bush hacks starting an answer with "it is intersting . . . " Makes me want to scream in their face. Tony Snow and some others have used these opening words too.
Mr Rove's second point that Executive Priviledge, justified by theExecutive, is a totally weak defense.
I also cannot belive that Mr. Rove and others can ramble, babble stammer and stumble on national television and get away with it. One who is speaking from the truth, draws from one story. They can respond in a fluent, relaxed and cogent manner verbally. One who is lying has multiple stories and statements to keep track of, as well as how to avoid, cover up and deny the truth. These are the people who don't speak fluently or understandably. Mr. Bush's speech in spontaneous situations fits this model well.
If I were Mr. Rove , I'd have plans to slip out of the country if need be.
tyree @ 45:
They probably already have.
On post #13 Ninth Ward stated it is a waiting game until 1/20/09. Does it mean that Conyers will wait until Dubya is gone before prosecution takes place? Trust me, with the exception of Cheney and Bush (Cheney being the biggest criminal IMO), there isn't anyone else that I would love to see being prosecuted than Rove. Having said that, if Rove was found guilty prior to 1/20/09, we all know that Bush would grant clemency as he did with Scooter Libbey. They may love Rove's "brain", but like Libbey, they are under no illusion that the only thing they have in protecting themselves is keeping Rove from prison.
It has been a long eight years but I am willing to wait another several months to ensure that these people meet justice without the comfort of presidential clemency. This is the most important question that should be asked to any of the candidates challenging to be our next President. In your zeal to promote "change" or "moving on" will your administration become a roadblock from any investigation and prosecution that has plagued not only our country but the world as a whole. For us, as a nation, we cannot move forward until complete transparency and forclosure is complete. As a nation, we are ready for the consequences.
Left&Left @ 4:
Perfectly said. Also, there comes a point in time when allowing this kind of vermin to walk the streets freely reflects poorly on our civilization. As Dylan once said, refering to the song Masters of War, "I never wished death on anybody, but in this case I'll make an exception."
People who don't "play by the rules" often think they are smarter than those who do. Consider the person who *sneaks* too many items into the express check-out, smirking (like Karl) at how he's pwnd everybody. I'd bet good money Karl drives in the carpool lane when alone, too, all the while exulting at his cleverness. But now he's broken laws, not rules, and the jail house is waiting patiently.
Joe Tseng @ 50:
Don't forget Bob Seger
"Wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then"
The pardon will come before there is any trial or disclosure. They will impede everything so they can skitter out the door at the last moment. The last official act of this White House will be to leave a huge, steaming dump for the American people to deal with.
I've always said that rove was NOT a genuis. He just happens to have one of the most EVIL, UNDERHANDED CRIMINIAL MINDS this country has seen. Because bush was in the white house rove could pull any trick he wanted and get away with it...anybody who was that evil could have done the same. BUT THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY EVIL people out there are there.
Wow. This is the first time I've ever detected any hint of nervousness from Rove. But there it is, in this video. Maybe we are, after all, closing in on him.
Re Rove's quite classic non-denial denial: There is a saying, the source of which I can't locate, about a silence that speaks volumes.
Yeah, Pigface didn't know anything about the investigation or the indictment until he read about it in the newspaper. More parsing of words from these scumballs.
The next question from Stephanopoulos should have been "Contacting the Justice Department about investigating Siegelman, and, 'FOR THE FIRST TIME' READING ABOUT SAID INVESTIGATION AND EVENTUAL INDICTMENT ACTUALLY GETTING UNDERWAY are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Did YOU contact the Justice Department about Siegelman, prior to ever reading anything about it in the paper?"
Clever.
He heard about the indictment from the newspaper.
He first heard about the indictment from the newspaper.
Repeat.
This is not to say he didn't order the prosecution just that he hfounf out it happened through reading the newspaper.
They aren't stupid enough (are they?) to discuss it over and over.
Order.
Done.
Read about it in the paper.
nope, not a denial at all.
Che's Lounge @ 10:
Not only our representatives but the dysfunctional fourth estate is also.
David in Chelsea, MA @ 58:
yup.
Nail on thehead.
It not about Spearation of Powers... it's about gangsters getting away with federal crimes.
KKKarl Rove is the biggest political gangster of our generation.
I'd like to see this Texan get THE BOOK thrown at him... then conviction THE DAY AFTER Bush leaves office.
Old Billy Hussein @ 15:
Sure there is.
We will be putting the fighting and divisions of the past behind us.
I don't think senator Obama will risk being a one term President and "partisan" divisions/politics to allow it.
What kind of post partisan atmosphere will be created with that?
How much will he be able to get done if he goes after them?
Though this may be the most important thing to get done.
(imho)
Of course I don't by that there will be much in the way of post partisanship given who we're dealing with.Yes, I still call them the opposition/enemy till I see otherwise.
Of course I could be wrong.Obama has said he will possibly be appointing republicans in key positions.
Interesting.
We'kll see.
Didn't he say he would appoint McCain to Sect of Defense if he thought McCain was the best man for the job?
Now that is scary.
The only thing this prick has going for him is to claim executive privilege.
Once that's removed....it's squeal like a piggy Karl, you're the prison bitch!
"Karl Rove, you're a disgusting human being - physically, mentally and emotionally - thanks for being on our program. We wish you the best."
Look folks,
Rove is only going to get away with this if we (the people) let him. If we make a big enough stink about this and several other aspects of his career, he would never again be considered for running a dog-catcher's campaign. This, however, will take sustained effort and the ability to call him on his BS every time. Easy? No, of course not, but defending Democracy never is.
heretic @ 33:
Well, I hate to say this but it isn't just the Democrat's in Washington. I mean not just the elected officials.
For some reason the majority of the public believes their job is done when they vote in their representatives but really it is just beginning. It is we who have to hold their feet to the fire.
There wasn't enough outcry, not enough protests, marches, demonstrations against the war, the 2000 election, the Plamegate, the torture. No one is held accountable because the vast majority of people do nothing.
We sometimes don't realize that I think because we're here and we are permeated with the talk of it all.
Plus, when you go to Demonstrations and marches, who is there? mainly the same old faces that have always been there. Mostly Boomers who, excuse me for saying so but since I am a boomer I think I can, don't have quite the energy to resist anymore. We get shoved into "free speech zones" without much argument. Hey, how many times can you get billy-clubbed and maced in one lifetime. Sorry we have health issues! LOL
I think its great we have all these new voters but I'd like to see them engaged in more than attacking Hillary clinton.
Of course that is a generalizations, young people do show up, do work on grass roots etc. and maybe I'm "spoiled" because I remember the civil rights marches, the anti/end the war protests, the end the draft protests, Equal rights for women etc... (you know, the fights of the past) when there was huge turnouts with civil disobedience and passive resistence. (not advocating violence but some risk and resistance would be encouraging)
When I see 14,000 comments on HuffPo on the Clinton story... or bittergate and other non issues and then the stories which are important-like corruption and treason- barely commented on it is disheartening.
One of the most striking images I've ever seen is the election fraud protest in the Ukrain about the time of our election I think. (I actually can't remember if it was 2000 or 2004. Its become a blur of crime) There were a million people who came out and just stood in front of the seat of power, outside the gates and kept watch. Kept a vigil in the freezing cold. They just stood there and there were so many they could not be moved.
One of the most inspiring and powerful images I've seen, particularly juxtaposed to our apathy in allowing these criminals to get away with all they have.
I may have inflated the numbers but I am pretty sure it was a million estimated.
Anyway, eventually the election robber gave up.
That was the same guy who attempted poison his opponent, the actual winner.
accountability...something karl is going to become very familiar with as the indictment hearings, trials, convictions and war crimes tribunals will bear out.
mrplow @ 37:
Abraham Lincoln.
"You may deceive all the people part of the time, and part of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time."
Bob Dylan:
Well, now time passed and now it seems
Everybody's having them dreams.
Everybody sees themselves walkin' around with no one else.
Half of the people can be part right all of the time,
Some of the people can be all right part of the time.
But all the people can't be all right all the time
I think Abraham Lincoln said that.
"I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours,"
I said that.
http://tinyurl.com/5n6lgh
Rob M @ 50:
But will they?
Do you think a new President will allow it?
do you think an AG will go after them?
I'm not so sure.
McCain?
Highly unlikely.
Obama? we're letting the partisan fights of the past go and its a brand new day. Do I sound bitter?
You betcha.
I just don't see it happening unless whoever is elected will appoint a very large bi partisan team that works on nothing else and is willing to serve only one term.
What do you think?
fortunately for America, there is no 'statute of limitations' on charges of treason and war crimes.
Keep a close eye on karl, lest he flee for paraguay to be with duhbya.
this guy would be just a regular political hack if he didn't have the most powerful propaganda tool to ever threaten American democracy- the GOP talk radio monopoly. that uncontested repetition allowed the GOP, with guys like rove in charge, to determine what is and what isn't acceptable in American media, reprimand and intimidate politicians, turn lies into truth, and generally convince political strategists, pundits, and media analysts that the bush-republicans have real popular support instead of merely the biggest soap box in the country and the capability to steal elections.
what a putz.
he was so careful to say very specifically that he did not hear about the indictment except by reading it in the paper. he did not, as he should not, because he cannot, deny that he was talking to people about bringing charges against siegelman.
i'm thinking he figures if he keeps himself on tv, the public will assume he couldn't possibly have done anything wrong, because who behaves so brazenly?
every member of and appointee by the bush administration, that's who.
Ok who was the left-winger who loaned" little snuffy" one of their balls? A shame you didn't loan him two. Take note that rove did not say I learned "for the first time" in the paper, these people are wordsmiths to the end. Yes he did offer to talk, but not under oath. Why is this fat bag of toads still walking free? Executive priviledge, what a load of crap, so any bank robber can just throw up his hands and claim executive priviledge? Being psychotic, I can see the future, I see karl making little rocks out of big ones during the day and snuggling with his new husband at night after lights out.---CEO
Send him off to Gitmo.
He's a liar. I'm no body language expert of "guru", but my human instinct tells me he's lying. (Actually, I am a guru, but that's neither here nor there.)
Increase our Dem majorities in congress, keep McCain out of the White House then go after all these Bush regime scumbags liars and crooks. That way no pardons.
OOps-- *body language expert OR "guru": I'm not trained to spot liars, but we can all feel it inside.
"In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is King"
-- Deciderius Erasmus
If Rove was a genius, he'd be working with the smart people. If he was an evil genius, we wouldn't know his name.
Rove still fulfills his function: all this hullabaloo only serves to focus attention on your leaders, instead of your rulers.
Is it just my imagination, or does Karl Rove look a lot like Hermann Goering?
I am not holding my breath(and neither should any of you). Nothing would be sweeter than to know that Rove is someone's bitch in prison, but Rove knows a lot about the Bush administration, and if he's going down, everyone else will, and to think that will happen is too far fetched. Unless of course this all happens after the Bush regime. By the way, I think that from now on, Karl will watch his back all the time. Cheney would shoot him and make it look like an accident.
Turd Blossom is scared shitless. He's gonna be Bubba's punk in jail.
accountability @ 63:
Let's get something straight. It is not he (President Obama) that would be investigating/prosecuting crimes of the past administration, it would be relegated to the Department of Justice.
Youre a troll, albeit a half-decent one. Nice try.
First words out of slimebag's mouth are a dodge.
He's guilty! No Doubt!
AND STEPHANOPOLOUS is a pussy!
(no offense intended to female genitalia)
Of course he's guilty. That's why he's going to get off Scott free. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Leaving out words and syllables sure changes a lot!!
The real deal from DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
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George: "... You did not contact the Justice Department about this case?
Karl: "I, I, I read about, a, I'm gonna simply say what I've said before, which is, I found out about Don Siegelman's investigation and indictment by reading about it in the newspaper."
George: "But that is not a denial."
Karl: "Ah, a, I've I've, I've, a, ah, you know I read about a, I heard about it, read about it, learned about it for the first time by reading about it in the newspaper."
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Reflections on analysis: No denial in all that. Where was the follow-up question??
FIRST QUOTE: Karl DOES NOT use the word "first" to describe how he learned about it. He jut asserts that he can read and has read. We knew that.
SECOND QUOTE: A very clever parsing takes place. "YOU KNOW" is the clever qualifier. "...you know I ... learned about it for the first time..."
That is still not a denial. That, taken literally, was just Karl stating what he assumes George knows.
......
We just want to nail your ass to the nearest cross once we catch you lying. Like you did to Clinton.
George Steponallofus has become part of Bush's 'controlled' MSM. If I had Rove by the throat, on MY show, I would've squeezed him until his head popped like a festered pimple.
"This Week: Karl Rove Stammers Through Siegelman Defense"
C&L is prejudiced against those with speech impediments?
Th...th...th...That's All Folks!!!
I believe some of the Nuremberg trial defendants also tried the "executive privilege" ploy.
I always wondered what happened to Ralphie from 'A Christmas Story'. Now, I know!
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 68:
From your lips... er fingers... to the Universal law!
;-)
Hoping, hoping.
bridger @ 83:
ummm, huh?
Gee thanks.
And why would you come to that assesment?
Because I have logically assesed what the possibility or probability is of these bastards being held accountable.
sigh.
And here I thought C&L was civil and people could have conversations and discussions.
Maybe you are projecting?
Now, Now.
Just because I don't adore Obama doesn't mean you should call names and continue the campaign of alienation .
Do people have to adore him to support him?
to vote for him?
What is the deal?
tsk tsk.
Obama said he would appoint McCain sect of defense IF he thought he was the right man for the job. That would only be scary IF i thought he could EVER think that McCain was indeed the right man for the job. Obama also said he would have his attorney general look into whether crimes were committed by this administration, post partisan means disregarding party not the law. There are some Republicans that would be ok in his administration, i'll be it almost none of them are in office right now.
Robert Kennedy Jr for attorney general!
bridger @ 83:
The Oracle @ 91:
HA!
very good.
titmouse @ 95:
YEAH!
I could go for that.
I like him a lot.
I understand about post partisanship, my point was that the Republicans are not eager for that and will be even less willing if there were big investigations going on into the criminality of those bastards. They don't care about "above the law"
Law?
We don't need no stinkin law.
It's like someone who lights the fuse of a stick of dynamite saying "the first time I learned that the dynamite exploded was when I heard the blast."
WTF, Karl? What a snake!
will some techno-savvy poster PLEASE capture that Porky-Pig like answer at the very end of the video?
that was classic!
The Gay, lard-ass, Rove will love prison.
Clearly, Rove worked out the following plan with his attorneys: In response to any George Snuffleupagus question about Seigelman, you can safely make three crafty, carefully worded statements. As to whether you were involved in getting Seigelman prosecuted, simply say that you first heard about the Seigelman prosecution in the newspaper, because that is truly how you first learned that you were successful in getting him prosecuted. Technically that is true, so you're not lying, you're just not talking about your involvement with getting him prosecuted, and the dumb listeners will hear your words and process them as a flat denial, even though that's not what you're doing! Second, invoke executive privilege so everyone knows you won't cooperate, and that "W" has your back. Third, state that your attorneys have offered a way to communicate about this, but don't say what that way is, or that it insures you would not be under oath, and could therefore lie with impugnity. Just say those three statements that are, strictly speaking, true. Let the listener read in all sorts of things about your innocence in the matter, even though that's not what you actually said. And voila, you're done with this mess. Then go offstage and laugh your ass off, because the law can't touch you!
Only reason the MSM is letting out a little truth, like a slowly released fart is "you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows". My 2nd favorite Dylan line. My favorite is not actually his but, FZ, making fun of him in "Flakes".
Nothing will happen if Obama is elected: Unwritten rule to not investigate misdeeds Of former presidents; otherwise they'd all be in jail from Nixon ff.
RE: Different Anonymous Says:
He managed to pull out all the tops to illegitimately place his candidate in office…
Frankly, this is an image that will have to be chemically removed from my brain. Thanks Nicole!
I GUESS ONE OF THOSE TOPS WAS JEFF GUCKERT/GANNON!
"pull out" ?????????????
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