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I don't know what this means other than something the Bush administration will grab it with both hands to further their aggression towards Iran.

NYTimes:

The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that Iran's suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remained "a matter of serious concern" and that Iran continued to owe the agency "substantial explanations."

The nine-page report accused the Iranians of a willful lack of cooperation, particularly in answering allegations that its nuclear program may be intended more for military use than for energy generation.

Part of the agency's case hinges on 18 documents listed in the report and presented to Iran that, according to Western intelligence agencies, indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

"There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role," said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, "We want to understand why."

The atomic energy agency's report highlights the amount of work still to be done before definitive conclusions about the nature of the program can be made, a task that the official associated with the agency said would require months.

If the IAEA is getting their information from a corrupted US intelligence agency (much like the UN was given "intelligence" on Iraq that came primarily from Curveball), I would hope that they double and triple check sources before issuing their final report.

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Paul's picture

I want to know what Western intelligence agencies. If it's ours, it's most likely fabricated out of thin air.

marko's picture

"we know where they are, they are north, south, east and west of Tehran"

Samson-'s picture

its like iraq-deja vu!!!

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its like iraq-deja vu!!!!

Rebel Patriot's picture

I hope Iran does get the nuclear deterrent.

ancillary's picture

Western? The NIE said they've dropped they're nuke program, so that leaves the Mossad or the MI-6 making these fabricated claims.

BobD's picture

Why do I keep hearing drumbeats for war banging in the background?

drshatterhand's picture

Maybe the IAEA should also nose around the Negev desert and see if there are any nuclear weapons shenanigans going on there, too.

flamethrower's picture

It won't be long now for the shock and awe of Iran begins. The last building blocks are being put in place and it appears the UN is coming on board. Not a good development for the "appeasers". Fortuitous for the neo-con low lifes. Lieberman must be sporting wood about now.

batman's picture

Why wouldn't you put this line in BOLD?

...indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

And where does it say that this info was provided by Western Intelligence agencies? FUCK AMERIKKKA should be your motto at the top of this site.

marko's picture

Rebel Patriot @ 4:

I hope Iran does get the nuclear deterrent.

this is what screws us over and over....we let israel build nukes out materials they got from then apartheid south africa.

we place a king on the throne of iran after booting their elected president

if we were in iran's place what would be our policy on nukes????

Man, we didn't see this one coming, did we?

To me, this is the part that causes questions.

"Part of the agency’s case hinges on 18 documents listed in the report and presented to Iran that, according to Western intelligence agencies, indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

Yes indeed, why? Could he be someone who has been promised big things in return for his role in giving this information? And who would have promised him those big things? What country is itching to strike Iran before the end of the year?

What shall we call him, Spiral Ball? I want this whole thing checked out for Chalabi like fingerprints.

Nikolai's picture

isn't the US guilty of all those things?

The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA's suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remained “a matter of serious concern” and that the UNITED STATES continued to owe the agency “substantial explanations.”

The nine-page report accused the UNITED STATES of a willful lack of cooperation, particularly in answering allegations that its nuclear program may be intended more for military use than for energy generation.

Part of the agency’s case hinges on 18 documents listed in the report and presented to Iran that, according to EASTERN intelligence agencies, indicate the AMERICANS have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

The atomic energy agency’s report highlights the amount of work still to be done before definitive conclusions about the nature of the program can be made, a task that the official associated with the agency said would require months.

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batman @ 9:

Why wouldn't you put this line in BOLD?

...indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

And where does it say that this info was provided by Western Intelligence agencies? FUCK AMERIKKKA should be your motto at the top of this site.

fuck amerikkkan crazy policies!!!!

and who the fuck are we to tell anyone not to have nukes??? we gottem, our surrogate israel gottem, the pakis gottem, the indians gottem, the russians gottem, iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. i don't want them to have nukes, but i see why they want them.

JerryO's picture

"western intelligence agencies"

Gee, could that be anymore vague? My first thought was, if it was one of Bush's AmeriKan agencies it's probably a complete lie.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

BobD @ 6:

Why do I keep hearing drumbeats for war banging in the background?

Jenna's on her honeymoon! Snaaaaaaaap!

Chico Hussein's picture

BobD @ 6:

Why do I keep hearing drumbeats for war banging in the background?

You're mistaken. That's only the Israeli National Anthem.

lj's picture

The Key word here is "international." What better time to get the rest of the world to "join in." If other countries are put on the spot on Iran, then maybe there's a shorter term exit strategy available for Iraq. Probably unlikely, but staying in that region for another ten years plus, doesn't sound good to me. We should be looking for any save-face possibility. Do what we should have done years ago. The UN is weak, corrupt, etc. but the US is not viewed too highly either.

YourMom's picture

If they would deliver a list of specific points they are concerned about, it would simply be a matter of taking them one by one and investigating/addressing them.
By keeping everything vague and shifting, you can play this game forever.

Samson-'s picture

its like iraq-deja vu!!!

Chico Hussein's picture

marko @ 13:

batman @ 9:

Why wouldn't you put this line in BOLD?

...indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

And where does it say that this info was provided by Western Intelligence agencies? FUCK AMERIKKKA should be your motto at the top of this site.

fuck amerikkkan crazy policies!!!!

and who the fuck are we to tell anyone not to have nukes??? we gottem, our surrogate israel gottem, the pakis gottem, the indians gottem, the russians gottem, iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. i don't want them to have nukes, but i see why they want them.

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution clearly states that I have a right to own as many nuclear weapons as I wish.

pissed off patricia's picture

Just curious, I wonder if this had anything to do with Carter saying that Israel has nukes? We all figured they did but maybe Carter is making it official so that bush can't claim we are the only ones who can defend Israel. I don't know, I'm just flinging stuff against the wall because I'm too tired to do much of anything else right now.

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JerryO @ 14:

"western intelligence agencies"

Gee, could that be anymore vague? My first thought was, if it was one of Bush's AmeriKan agencies it's probably a complete lie.

and, it begs the question, are they government intel agencies, or some privatized, war-profiteering, intel agency, which will profit heavily by providing a casus belli?

emphasa's picture

Nuke 'em 'till they glow!!!!

Chico Hussein's picture

pissed off patricia @ 21:

Just curious, I wonder if this had anything to do with Carter saying that Israel has nukes? We all figured they did but maybe Carter is making it official so that bush can't claim we are the only ones who can defend Israel. I don't know, I'm just flinging stuff against the wall because I'm too tired to do much of anything else right now.

Why is it the job of the President of the UNITED STATES to defend Israel ??

Why dont we talk about defending Luxembourgh, or Lichtenstein or Lesotho ? Do our local police forces respond to calls from ALL citizens, or just the rich ones with big fancy houses ?

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Chico Hussein @ 23:

pissed off patricia @ 21:

Just curious, I wonder if this had anything to do with Carter saying that Israel has nukes? We all figured they did but maybe Carter is making it official so that bush can't claim we are the only ones who can defend Israel. I don't know, I'm just flinging stuff against the wall because I'm too tired to do much of anything else right now.

Why is it the job of the President of the UNITED STATES to defend Israel ??

Why dont we talk about defending Luxembourgh, or Lichtenstein or Lesotho ? Do our local police forces respond to calls from ALL citizens, or just the rich ones with big fancy houses ?

I didn't say it was the job of the Pres. of the US to defend Israel, I merely repeated what the president says over and over. I'll not go into what I believe as that is not part of this post.

Peter G's picture

I am glad you made the distinction between Iran's nuclear program, the IAEA's report and what the Bush Administration's likely reaction to it will be. It is surprising how easy it is to hide a weapons program within a nuclear energy program and this will bear constant supervision. I'm glad to see someone responsible is doing this.

YourMom's picture

Let's not forget that the U.S. is in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, because of development of new nuclear weapons, whereas Iran appears to be in full compliance. There is no legal reason why Iran shouldn't be enriching uranium, as I understand it. Israel didn't sign it, so they are a law unto themselves.
Notice how the U.S. is not invoking the terms of the NNP treaty to condemn Iran? Hypocrisy s the name of the game.

Chico Hussein's picture

YourMom @ 27:

Let's not forget that the U.S. is in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, because of development of new nuclear weapons, whereas Iran appears to be in full compliance. There is no legal reason why Iran shouldn't be enriching uranium, as I understand it. Israel didn't sign it, so they are a law unto themselves.
Notice how the U.S. is not invoking the terms of the NNP treaty to condemn Iran? Hypocrisy s the name of the game.

Nuclear powers India and Pakistan are also "non-signers" of the NNPT and we have provided nuclear technology AND equipment to BOTH of these countries !!

go figger.

never mind, you wont be able to.

Orangutan. @ 24:

The Many Lies of this Corrupt Administration Put to Video (with music)

Thanks for the link to that. The anger I felt as I watched it made me feel a little more energized. Yesterday while I watched the Memorial Day ceremonies at Arlington cemetery, I kept thinking about Rumsfeld and hoping he was suffering the worst guilt trip ever to be experienced by any human being.

Che's Lounge's picture

If indeed the Iranians are pursuing a nuke, the biggest factor driving them is the presence of a nuclear armed Isreal and a nuclear armed US next door rattling sabres day after day.

DKarma's picture

Say it with me now folks: "Sovereign nations are not required to cooperate with any international agency..." "Sovereign nations are not required to comply with ultimatums."
Iran is a sovereign nation.
So is the USA.
So was Iraq.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

The Chimp is wild eyed and perspiring at the thought of blowing more shit up.

The same thought as allowed McCain to find new vigor in his drawers.

the agency is strongly under the influence of the US and GB. The real report say that some compliance cannot be verified not that there are violations of anything. this is spin, pure and simple. just like the poor reporting of the IAEA on Saddam Hussein' Iraq and its compliance to the UN mandate in 2002.

Terrible's picture

I'd be a hell of a lot more concerned about nations that aren't signitories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Countries like Israel and the US that are threats to world security. If Iran getting nuclear power is such a concern for them then perhaps they should go after the people who illegally outed Valerie Plame, who was the main line of defence against Iran gaining nuclear power. And shouldn't they be more concerned about nuclear WEAPONS(which Iran DOES NOT HAVE and isn't trying to get!) rather then nuclear power anyway????

oldtree's picture

I guess they are going to have to make Iran look like a bogey now that Israel's arsenal is known. Who is the latest head of the IAEA? Anyone know who appointed them? Anyone know how much influence the neomafia has over them?

If bush strikes Iran, in the name of protecting Israel, will it win McCain the religious fundamentalist votes that he is having trouble securing now? Seems to me that it just might. That way bush could go out to the praises of the fundies and McCain can take the glory for it as well.

Gumby69's picture

Bomb them already goddammit!

AndrewK's picture

Yes, let's play the same game the Republicans and war mongers play by simply dismissing a credible agency the second they make an inconvenient statement. It seems very clear that the Iranians haven't taken up the opportunity to properly address the "western intelligence." That's the issue. Let's talk about why this isn't a call to war, instead of pretending it's something we shouldn't take seriously.

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Site Monitor: How about you telling us where you work and we'll come over and tell you how to do it?

Chico Hussein's picture

pissed off patricia @ 25:

Chico Hussein @ 23:

pissed off patricia @ 21:

Just curious, I wonder if this had anything to do with Carter saying that Israel has nukes? We all figured they did but maybe Carter is making it official so that bush can't claim we are the only ones who can defend Israel. I don't know, I'm just flinging stuff against the wall because I'm too tired to do much of anything else right now.

Why is it the job of the President of the UNITED STATES to defend Israel ??

Why dont we talk about defending Luxembourgh, or Lichtenstein or Lesotho ? Do our local police forces respond to calls from ALL citizens, or just the rich ones with big fancy houses ?

I didn't say it was the job of the Pres. of the US to defend Israel, I merely repeated what the president says over and over. I'll not go into what I believe as that is not part of this post.

Mine was just a general response, not anything specific to what you said. Bush and ALL the candidiates keep pledging their "Support for Israel" as if this were some kind of constitutional mandate for POTUS.

You just need to be at least 35 years old and have been born in the US or its territories (or a millitary base in Panama).

That's it. no mention of nuking Iran if ordered to by Israel.

TakeOurCountryBack's picture

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb,... Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bush's final legacy!

Agent M's picture

Endless War, Endless War, Endless War, Endless War, Endless War, ....

IAEA is full of crapola.

If the US starts screwing with Iran they better get our troops out of Iraq quick as hell because otherwise they will be sitting ducks to the Iranian army.

Chico Hussein's picture

TakeOurCountryBack @ 41:

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb,... Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bush's final legacy!

Well, if after FIVE years, our trillion dollar military still cannot handle a hodge-podge of farmers and goat herders turned temporary miltants using outdated equipment, then dealing with a country that actually HAS a modern military may make Bush's legacy a lot worse than even WE all imagined.

kep306's picture

That whole not talking thing is really working out???

Chico Hussein's picture

pissed off patricia @ 43:

If the US starts screwing with Iran they better get our troops out of Iraq quick as hell because otherwise they will be sitting ducks to the Iranian army.

If we start a war with Iran, the Iraq war will cease IMMEDIATELY because our 'troops in Iraq' will be the 'troops in Iran'.

Abes's picture

I've got an idea. Since the "West" is accusing Iran of violating the NPT, all Iran has to do is withdraw from the treaty. It should know better. The U.S. is not a signatory to the treaty and neither is Israel.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Gumby69 @ 37:

Bomb them already goddammit!

I agree. The American people need $10 gas, a draft, and a retaliatory strike against us before they figure out that the right wing sees us only as cannon fodder and consumer dollars to allow them to attain their ends.

Dumbest country on the planet! Dumbest people on the planet!

Liberal AND Proud's picture

To war, Freedonia! To war! Everyone pick up a gun! You too, you religious nuts! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

We got guns, they got guns...alllll god's chillun' got gunnnnns.

pissed off patricia's picture

When a mad killer has barricaded himself in a building and he's armed to the teeth, the first thing the police do is try to talk to the guy and begin some sort of communication. There is probably a reason for that. When someone is threatening you, you try to talk to them and calm them down.

No one and no country can declare that if anyone or any other country doesn't like them, that gives them the green light to start shooting or bombing away.

pissed off patricia's picture

Chico Hussein @ 46:

pissed off patricia @ 43:

If the US starts screwing with Iran they better get our troops out of Iraq quick as hell because otherwise they will be sitting ducks to the Iranian army.

If we start a war with Iran, the Iraq war will cease IMMEDIATELY because our 'troops in Iraq' will be the 'troops in Iran'.

Perhaps but our troops will be up against a real trained army this time, not Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are worn out as is much of their equipment. It would be awful for them.

innocent bystander's picture

marko @ 13:

batman @ 9:

Why wouldn't you put this line in BOLD?

...indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

And where does it say that this info was provided by Western Intelligence agencies? FUCK AMERIKKKA should be your motto at the top of this site.

fuck amerikkkan crazy policies!!!!

and who the fuck are we to tell anyone not to have nukes??? we gottem, our surrogate israel gottem, the pakis gottem, the indians gottem, the russians gottem, iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. i don't want them to have nukes, but i see why they want them.

it is sad to think that all of these countries have spent so much time and capital building nukes . . . what if those resources had been invest in education, medical research, art? what if, instead of spying and spinning, our intelligence and political bodies had been focused on negotiating peaceful coexistence?

emphasa's picture

innocent bystander @ 52:

it is sad to think that all of these countries have spent so much time and capital building nukes . . . what if those resources had been invest in education, medical research, art? what if, instead of spying and spinning, our intelligence and political bodies had been focused on negotiating peaceful coexistence?

Despots don't seize power with peaceful coexistence.

Didn't a report come out recently that stated that our ports are no safer today then they were on 9-11? So if the fear is so great that another country is out to get us, why hasn't the administration locked the front door?

If the IAEA is getting their information from a corrupted US intelligence agency (much like the UN was given “intelligence” on Iraq that came primarily from Curveball), I would hope that they double and triple check sources before issuing their final report.

BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Appeasement Bullshit @ 33:

the agency is strongly under the influence of the US and GB. The real report say that some compliance cannot be verified not that there are violations of anything. this is spin, pure and simple. just like the poor reporting of the IAEA on Saddam Hussein' Iraq and its compliance to the UN mandate in 2002.

bears repeating.

Pilatunes's picture

If Iran is engaging in this activity they are fools. As a sovereign nation, I guess it's their right. And I wouldn't see it as justification for an invasion. However, I don't see this is being necessary to their preservation and is unnecessarily provocative. Hopefully, this is either untrue or something Iran can disprove.

innocent bystander @ 52:

marko @ 13:

batman @ 9:

Why wouldn't you put this line in BOLD?

...indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design - activities that could be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, “We want to understand why.”

And where does it say that this info was provided by Western Intelligence agencies? FUCK AMERIKKKA should be your motto at the top of this site.

fuck amerikkkan crazy policies!!!!

and who the fuck are we to tell anyone not to have nukes??? we gottem, our surrogate israel gottem, the pakis gottem, the indians gottem, the russians gottem, iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. i don't want them to have nukes, but i see why they want them.

it is sad to think that all of these countries have spent so much time and capital building nukes . . . what if those resources had been invest in education, medical research, art? what if, instead of spying and spinning, our intelligence and political bodies had been focused on negotiating peaceful coexistence?

because you can't get more expensive than nuclear technology. lots of money. saddam spent 300 million dollars on a nuclear plant and israel blasted if off the face of the earth. but it was already paid for.

I wish the IAEA report were cited for specifics, rather than bluntness. I'd like to see some facts for once, instead of impressions or notions or "questions".

pissed off patricia @ 50:

When a mad killer has barricaded himself in a building and he's armed to the teeth, the first thing the police do is try to talk to the guy and begin some sort of communication. There is probably a reason for that. When someone is threatening you, you try to talk to them and calm them down.

No one and no country can declare that if anyone or any other country doesn't like them, that gives them the green light to start shooting or bombing away.

You just described the "boosh doctrine".

Liberal AND Proud's picture

pissed off patricia @ 51:

Chico Hussein @ 46:

pissed off patricia @ 43:

If the US starts screwing with Iran they better get our troops out of Iraq quick as hell because otherwise they will be sitting ducks to the Iranian army.

If we start a war with Iran, the Iraq war will cease IMMEDIATELY because our 'troops in Iraq' will be the 'troops in Iran'.

Perhaps but our troops will be up against a real trained army this time, not Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are worn out as is much of their equipment. It would be awful for them.

No worries. GWBush has it all figured out. He'll start the war the his term will run out. Then his successor will have to initiate a draft in order to not lose. So, no worries....you'll be going...and me...and everyone else.

If you can walk, you can fight! Hey! That could be the motto!!

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Samson- @ 3:

its like iraq-deja vu!!!

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its like iraq-deja vu!!!!

its not like iraq-deja vu

it IS iraq-deja vu

hareli's picture

“There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role,” said one senior official close to the agency"

Close to the agency? What does that mean? Standing in Vienna near the building? What agency? What kind of senior official could be "close to" the IAEA, and why didn't the NYT explain? The Times has waaay too much to answer for in advancing the Iraq War to allow this to pass when readers reel from the smell of it.

I dont buy this rotten report for a minute.

Rebel Patriot's picture

Liberal AND Proud @ 48:

Gumby69 @ 37:

Bomb them already goddammit!

I agree. The American people need $10 gas, a draft, and a retaliatory strike against us before they figure out that the right wing sees us only as cannon fodder and consumer dollars to allow them to attain their ends.

Dumbest country on the planet! Dumbest people on the planet!

don't exclude the democratic leadership for its role in all of this. The military industrial complex just doesn't own ONE party - fool, in a fixed fight, both the fighters know their roles.

drshatterhand's picture

pissed off patricia @ 29:

Orangutan. @ 24:

The Many Lies of this Corrupt Administration Put to Video (with music)

Thanks for the link to that. The anger I felt as I watched it made me feel a little more energized. Yesterday while I watched the Memorial Day ceremonies at Arlington cemetery, I kept thinking about Rumsfeld and hoping he was suffering the worst guilt trip ever to be experienced by any human being.

Sociopaths lack the ability to feel empathy or sympathy.

miss_kitty's picture

Nuclear Agency Accuses Iran of Lack of Cooperation

fucking power mad liars

pissed off patricia's picture

Liberal AND Proud @ 60:

pissed off patricia @ 51:

Chico Hussein @ 46:

pissed off patricia @ 43:

If we start a war with Iran, the Iraq war will cease IMMEDIATELY because our 'troops in Iraq' will be the 'troops in Iran'.

Perhaps but our troops will be up against a real trained army this time, not Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are worn out as is much of their equipment. It would be awful for them.

No worries. GWBush has it all figured out. He'll start the war the his term will run out. Then his successor will have to initiate a draft in order to not lose. So, no worries....you'll be going...and me...and everyone else.

If you can walk, you can fight! Hey! That could be the motto!!

They'll have to pry my cold dead fingers off the stem of my martini glass before I'll go.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Rebel Patriot @ 63:

Liberal AND Proud @ 48:

Gumby69 @ 37:

Bomb them already goddammit!

I agree. The American people need $10 gas, a draft, and a retaliatory strike against us before they figure out that the right wing sees us only as cannon fodder and consumer dollars to allow them to attain their ends.

Dumbest country on the planet! Dumbest people on the planet!

don't exclude the democratic leadership for its role in all of this. The military industrial complex just doesn't own ONE party - fool, in a fixed fight, both the fighters know their roles.

I wasn't aware I had named ANY political party. There are right wingers in all parties. It's just a question of how far right. It's not my fault that the GOP holds a virtual monopoly on the extreme right...fool.

Jack Damage's picture

Well ain't that damned con-veeen-ient for Chimpy and his war mongering pals.......JD

RMHK's picture

First of all you can't trust the American media. Iran and Venazuelz have said they will cut off their oil supplies to the US if they attack. Russia and China have said they will join Iran. Russia and China have nuclear weapons so we will be in a world of $#it if we get into it with Iran. Last I don't believe a d@mn thing what our Government says, I don't trust them.
Bush is right about one thing, we could be looking at WWIII. Meanwhile the Democrats are sitting up there with there fingers sticking up their nose. They have turned this country over to the Republicans. I think this is the last chance for the Democrats. I just hope McCain keeps saying stupid things.

RMHK's picture

We best not start a war EVERYBODY HATES US.

Liberal AND Proud @ 60:

pissed off patricia @ 51:

Chico Hussein @ 46:

pissed off patricia @ 43:

If we start a war with Iran, the Iraq war will cease IMMEDIATELY because our 'troops in Iraq' will be the 'troops in Iran'.

Perhaps but our troops will be up against a real trained army this time, not Iraqi insurgents. Our troops are worn out as is much of their equipment. It would be awful for them.

No worries. GWBush has it all figured out. He'll start the war the his term will run out. Then his successor will have to initiate a draft in order to not lose. So, no worries....you'll be going...and me...and everyone else.

If you can walk, you can fight! Hey! That could be the motto!!

justy like his daddy did to bill clinton.

Blue Lensman's picture

The fix is in.

Fran Taylor's picture

Any country who has to deal with the United States would be well advised to keep their cards face down.

Theguy's picture

Iran has everyright to pursue a nuclear program even if its not peaceful. Why the hell is it our business if they get nukes or not- maybe they wouldn't be so hostile to us if we weren't so godamn hostile to them, invading and occupying both countries to their left(iraq) and to their right(afghanistan). Labeling them as part of the Axis of Evil even though they helped us in overthrowing the Taliban after 9/11- removing their democratically elected leader and putting in a dictator in his place back in the 50's- arming Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran(and even helping out in military operations against Iran), and also shooting down an Iranian passenger plane and killing all 291 civilians. Not to mention the sanctions that do nothing but hurt the average Iranian citizen who's trying to get food and energy.

Iran doesn't owe us any godamn transparency or respect. But they're still willing to compromise and have said before that they will be completely open about all parts of their nuclear program if Israel receives a similar inspection in regards to its nuclear program. Too bad that'll never happen.

Theguy's picture

Pilatunes @ 57:

If Iran is engaging in this activity they are fools. As a sovereign nation, I guess it's their right. And I wouldn't see it as justification for an invasion. However, I don't see this is being necessary to their preservation and is unnecessarily provocative. Hopefully, this is either untrue or something Iran can disprove.

As we've seen with Iraq- Iran doesn't even need to have a nuclear program to be accused of having one. These psychopaths in our administration will try anything- that's why they keep going with the "Iranian-made weapons/militias" in Iraq angle as another excuse to invade them. There's nothing Iran can do to prevent them from being accused of being in the wrong save for completely submitting to the will of the United States- and thank god they're not doing that.

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Does that mean they'll get a frowny face on their doesn't get along well with others report?

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Rebel Patriot @ 4:

I hope Iran does get the nuclear deterrent.

I know just how you feel. Wouldn't you want nuclear weapons with Bush and Chaney running loose?

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Beyond the fact that we no longer have a functioning democracy, that killing more innocent people is reprehensible, we don't have the military or the financial power to fight Iran, even IF they were the new Hitler image the elites have created for the public (which seems to be losing its potency). Iran WILL fight back, they have a large army and know what we've done in Iraq. The government there is not popular, there is a large, young democracy movement and they’re not too happy with the current government. We could align ourselves with the movement (although it would only be for rhetorical purposes since the government in the US hates democracy, here and especially abroad in poor countries, especially poor countries with oil), if you're ok with us meddling in other countries. If we bomb Iran, not only will the moderate democracy voices be drowned out, we'll lose the war militarily, be destroyed economically, oil prices will go through the roof and the administration there will be strengthened. If we bomb Iran there should be riots across the country, violent outbursts to scare the hell out of the government. They don't seem to care or to respond to anything else and holding up signs and chanting only makes them roll their eyes. More needs to be done. People need to find out what the elites say is ok as far as protest, then go two, three steps beyond.

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It is apparent that Iran will be the strongest selling point of McCain presidency.
By injecting Iran,the fear factor becomes the theme of the whole campaign of McWar 'till election day.
Whether Americans and the Congress will fall for this is remain to be seen.
Since McCain's economic,energy ,environment and peaceful programs are nowhere to be found in his presidential portfolio,the war with Iran will be his ace card to use and play...

Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice...!!! that's what we will be seening in next few months.

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Randy @ 79:

It is apparent that Iran will be the strongest selling point of McCain presidency.
By injecting Iran,the fear factor becomes the theme of the whole campaign of McWar 'till election day.
Whether Americans and the Congress will fall for this is remain to be seen.
Since McCain's economic,energy ,environment and peaceful programs are nowhere to be found in his presidential portfolio,the war with Iran will be his ace card to use and play...

Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice...!!! that's what we will be seening in next few months.

And America will fall for it. Again. Of course, we know why....

Aaa.hemm...is this thing on?....arummph....

DUMBEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!!!!!

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Randy, you're right, and I think if people are explained what their choices are, and they pick McCain, they DESERVE what happens to them. Iran isn't a threat to the US unless we make them so, so lets not even entertain the nonsense. The choice is between spending more and more of our money and resources on war vs. spending that money and resources towards education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. We cannot have both. We can't have empire and democracy and there aren't enough resources, natural and moral, to have a functioning and well run society and a war machine that dwarfs the rest of the world combined. Anyone who favors increasing or sustaining the funding for war thinks it’s more important than funding healthcare, education and the rest. The choice is that straight forward. Even the average American could understand.

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pissed off patricia @ 51:

When a mad killer has barricaded himself in a building and he's armed to the teeth, the first thing the police do is try to talk to the guy and begin some sort of communication. There is probably a reason for that. When someone is threatening you, you try to talk to them and calm them down.

No one and no country can declare that if anyone or any other country doesn't like them, that gives them the green light to start shooting or bombing away.

The comparison of the current America with a mad killer armed to the teeth is spot on. But we're not barricaded in a building yet but instead still running around town screaming and shooting anything that moves.

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Chalabi throws another curveball

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Terrible @ 83:

pissed off patricia @ 51:

When a mad killer has barricaded himself in a building and he's armed to the teeth, the first thing the police do is try to talk to the guy and begin some sort of communication. There is probably a reason for that. When someone is threatening you, you try to talk to them and calm them down.

No one and no country can declare that if anyone or any other country doesn't like them, that gives them the green light to start shooting or bombing away.

The comparison of the current America with a mad killer armed to the teeth is spot on. But we're not barricaded in a building yet but instead still running around town screaming and shooting anything that moves.

hee hee, good terrible

its funny 'cause its true

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Liberal AND Proud @ 49:

Gumby69 @ 37:

Bomb them already goddammit!

I agree. The American people need $10 gas, a draft, and a retaliatory strike against us before they figure out that the right wing sees us only as cannon fodder and consumer dollars to allow them to attain their ends.

Dumbest country on the planet! Dumbest people on the planet!

I don't know L&P. I don't see it raising our fuel costs at all, maybe lowering them even. And a draft neccassary? And come on there's no way Israel would dare retaliate against us for leveling their country! We don't have a bomb that only takes out Zionists and not honest decent human beings yet do we?

What? What's that? Iran! Why for the love of God would we attack a nation that is NO threat to us??? Israel on the other hand is indeed the greatest security risk to the United States as evidenced by their unprovoked attacks on our naval vessels and their wide spead spy network in the US. Not to mention the millions of tax dollars they siphon off from us in military aid every year. Bombing Iran is crazy talk plain and simple!!!

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Samson- @ 85:

Terrible @ 83:

pissed off patricia @ 51:

When a mad killer has barricaded himself in a building and he's armed to the teeth, the first thing the police do is try to talk to the guy and begin some sort of communication. There is probably a reason for that. When someone is threatening you, you try to talk to them and calm them down.

No one and no country can declare that if anyone or any other country doesn't like them, that gives them the green light to start shooting or bombing away.

The comparison of the current America with a mad killer armed to the teeth is spot on. But we're not barricaded in a building yet but instead still running around town screaming and shooting anything that moves.

hee hee, good terrible

its funny 'cause its true

I call 'em as I see 'em. No one ever said that truth couldn't be funnier then fiction. And here's some more interesting sad but true irony - it may very well end up being our allies from the fight against fascism in the last century the evil commies Russia and China that have to put down the new fascism of this century that the US is spreading around the world.

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Sounds an awful lot like bushco's been salting clouds again.

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Chico Hussein @ 24:

pissed off patricia @ 21:

Just curious, I wonder if this had anything to do with Carter saying that Israel has nukes? We all figured they did but maybe Carter is making it official so that bush can't claim we are the only ones who can defend Israel. I don't know, I'm just flinging stuff against the wall because I'm too tired to do much of anything else right now.

Why is it the job of the President of the UNITED STATES to defend Israel ??

Why dont we talk about defending Luxembourgh, or Lichtenstein or Lesotho ? Do our local police forces respond to calls from ALL citizens, or just the rich ones with big fancy houses ?

aint you got the word yet ? israel owns us , lock stock and politicians!!!

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I'm afraid I'll have to take issue with regard to a lot of comments regarding the IAEA. This organization , currently headed by a respected Egyptian expert in international law was the recipient of the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize. This was awarded on the basis of their longtime advocacy of peaceful uses of nuclear energy and their work on eliminating nuclear weapons proliferation. There are some ninety countries participating in the organization and it is most decidedly not controlled by the U.S. Whatever the Bush administration may say about the IAEA Iran report,to brand this organization as somehow a tool of the Bush Administration is ill-informed at best. Do some homework people.

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Peter G @ 90:

I'm afraid I'll have to take issue with regard to a lot of comments regarding the IAEA. This organization , currently headed by a respected Egyptian expert in international law was the recipient of the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize. This was awarded on the basis of their longtime advocacy of peaceful uses of nuclear energy and their work on eliminating nuclear weapons proliferation. There are some ninety countries participating in the organization and it is most decidedly not controlled by the U.S. Whatever the Bush administration may say about the IAEA Iran report,to brand this organization as somehow a tool of the Bush Administration is ill-informed at best. Do some homework people.

Absolutely correct..

I would also draw attention to Iran's press report on this issue today, and the quotes from the report itself.

The IAEA has not detected the use of nuclear material linked to Iran's "alleged studies" of weaponization, the agency's latest report says.

The findings are part of a restricted International Atomic Energy Agency report forwarded to the UN Security Council and to the 35 board members of the agency on Monday, May 26.

“The Agency has been able to continue to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran. Iran has provided the Agency with access to declared nuclear material and has provided the required nuclear material accountancy reports in connection with declared nuclear material and activities,” said the report, a copy of which was obtained by Press TV.

The IAEA holds the view that clarification of the alleged studies "on the green salt project, high explosives testing and missile re-entry vehicle project" is critical "to an assessment of the nature of Iran's past and present nuclear program."

"Iran has agreed to address the alleged studies," it said.

Read the rest here: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=57458&sectionid=351020104

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I saw something the other day that i would like to share with you all. It's just a little slide show of random pictures of Tehran you've probably never seen.

http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html

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What happened to the last country that complied with the IAEA?

Oh yeh...an American occupation.

Power to the Iranians...keep up the good work.

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fellow_voyager @ 92:

I saw something the other day that i would like to share with you all. It's just a little slide show of random pictures of Tehran you've probably never seen.

http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html

Bravo!

This is not the image, the assholes in Washington want you to see!

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"Site Monitor: How about you telling us where you work and we’ll come over and tell you how to do it?"

No need, I do my work extremely well. Almost vested in the guild now, and have two emmy's, and and annie on my shelf that agrees with me.

Sorry to call you out, but this old-news stuff has been happening over and over and over again for the last two months. I guess suggesting that C&L should be more up-to-date deserves deletion from comments?

Oh please

The Jesus weeps

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Jesus Hussein Christ @ 95:

"Site Monitor: How about you telling us where you work and we’ll come over and tell you how to do it?"

No need, I do my work extremely well. Almost vested in the guild now, and have two emmy's, and and annie on my shelf that agrees with me.

Sorry to call you out, but this old-news stuff has been happening over and over and over again for the last two months. I guess suggesting that C&L should be more up-to-date deserves deletion from comments?

Oh please

The Jesus weeps

You forgot to mention your Lasker Prize, the Fields' Medal and those Nobel Prizes. By the way JC how's Napoleon? I understand he's in the next room. (sorry SM, I couldn't resist)

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There will always be that last bit of information that we like to know, well not really but we want to give the impression that they do not cooperate. Well, they have signed the NPT and there's a fatwa against nuclear weapons and the NIE was conclusive: No nuclear weapons program

It really is "just" a continuation of the neocon imperialistic agenda that pre-dates 9/11.

Zbig: US suffers from Iran paranoia
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=57561&sectionid=351020104

Brzezinski should call it what it really is. Lies.

But a good point nonetheless is this one:
"Consider countries that could have quickly become nuclear weapon states had they been treated similarly. Brazil, Argentina and South Africa had nuclear weapons programs but gave them up, each for different reasons. Had the United States threatened to change their regimes if they would not, probably none would have complied,"

taters's picture

It was the IAEA's ElBaradei who revealed that the Niger document was a hoax.
And he wasn't very pleased about Israel's attack on Syria.

You can see how 'thrilled' the Jerusalem Post is about him.
C'mon, ElBaradei deserves credit. It was his smackdown of the Bush admin.'s claims, that caused Cheney to go on with Timmeh, right before the bombs fell on Baghdad.
But like other posters have stated, what will be done by those that are itching to attack Iran, that's a different matter. Check out Andy's link to the Asia Times piece on comment 82, it is worth the read.
Btw - the author's name is Mohammed Cohen - no bs.

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ElBaradei is Quietly Managing to Disarm Iran
Author: Ray Takeyh, Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies

February 27, 2008
Financial Times

It is a popular parlour game in Washington’s corridors of power and European chancelleries to deride Mohamed ElBaradei as a quixotic bureaucrat determined to subvert the western strategy of restraining Iran’s nuclear programme. The latest International Atomic Energy Agency report suggesting progress has been made by Iran is quietly disparaged by the Bush administration as another clean pass for the rash theocracy. The point that Mr ElBaradei’s critics miss is that he is judiciously achieving the goals that they seemingly desire—the disarmament of the Islamic Republic.

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ancillary @ 5:

Western? The NIE said they've dropped they're nuke program, so that leaves the Mossad or the MI-6 making these fabricated claims.

I agree.

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Richard Clarke was interviewed on Olbermann and says it only underscores that the US has no intelligence agents IN Iran, just like they had none in Iraq and North Korea. Which only means WE DON'T KNOW. Ergo, attacking Iran on the basis of speculation/lies would be another grave mistake just as with Iraq.
Wanna bet they'll disregard Clarke's warning (again) and attack Iran simply because time is running out and Israel wants us to ( i.e. they would not be able to get Obama to do it).

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pissed off patricia @ 37:

If bush strikes Iran, in the name of protecting Israel, will it win McCain the religious fundamentalist votes that he is having trouble securing now? Seems to me that it just might. That way bush could go out to the praises of the fundies and McCain can take the glory for it as well.

AHHH the fundamentalists vote. We can't achieve Rapture if we don't blow up the middle east.

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This is just the excuse that the U.S. and Israel was looking so they can BOOM IRAN, there is a great peace on this over on ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info ) a great read.

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