FOX News' Brian Kilmeade: Volunteer troops don't deserve new Webb GI bill
By SilentPatriot Tuesday May 27, 2008 8:45am
After Jim Webb's historic "21st Century GI Bill" passed both houses of Congress overwhelmingly last week, McSame apologists are coming out in full force as they try to explain why the two of them support the far inferior bill being offered by Senator Lindsey Graham. So when The New York Times published a scathing op-ed chiding President Bush for his absence of leadership on this crucial issue, who better to defend the administration than the stooges from "FOX and Friends"? In this particularly egregious example of White House shilling, the entire panel uncritically advances Bush-approved talking points, while Brian Kilmeade argues that this GI Bill is different from the WWII-era one because these troops volunteered, and therefore don't deserve the same benefits.
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After all this is different. People point to, "Well, look what they did after World War II." Well, after World War II, people were conscripted. They said "You’re joining." They said for doing that and winning the war, here’s a college education. Now people are saying "I want to be a military person. I am signing on in a volunteer force."
Kilmeade's argument is so full of holes, it's hard to know where to begin.
On a funnier note, Bill W. writes: "How bad is it when you need Brian Kilmeade to help you pronounce 'vitriolic'? Gawd they are all so stupid."
Agreed, Bill.
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Leave it to Fox. I need say no more.
Listening to right wingers talk about the actual troops and what they are like & deserve reminds me of how the "free traders" used to talk so hostilely and dismissively about the dumb, uneducated blue collar workers in all the textile factories who, you know, were some sort of ignorant slackers stuck in the 19th century and they need to get off their a**es and find new jobs.
The right wing's callous dismissals of all actual working people -- and that includes the enlisted core of our uniformed services -- is always forgiven since they can always drag out their fake, preening game of pretending to be against all them danged i-vor-ee tower lattay-sippin elitists?
That's great. "They're volunteers, they don't deserve as much as conscripts!"
Er... How about "They're volunteers, which saves you from being conscripted and so deserve more?!?"
Stupid fricking idiots...
The post WW2 GI bill was given to all that served. Draftees as well as Volunteers. My father volunteered (was not drafted) for that war and educated himself on that GI bill. I was drafted and sent to Vietnam. I educated myself on the GI bill given me after my service. I served with many volunteers in Vietnam and they too we given GI benefits.
What the fuck is this guy talking about?
The GI bill is payback for service not makeup for disruptance of one's life. But as my grandmother used to say its an ill wind that blows no good. Look at what these assholes are being forced to defend. Their biggest act is about to fall...and them with it.
Where is Bri-Bri's lapel pin?
Why does Brian Kilmeade hate our troops, and America???!!!
I think he has the right idea. Voluntary service members should have ZERO entitlements. Think of all the great wars the neocons could start with nobody to fight them.
Depraved stupidity. Frighteningly inane propaganda. Or is this simply a political take-off on the 3-stooges?
And when some people see something on the tv that says Fox News, fair and balanced, they are going to believe that it really is, without reading the whole story. Yep, these three know all about that sort of thing.
Oh please! Give me a break! They didn't know what the hell they were talking about so they just resorted to saying the headline in the NY paper was deceptive.
You're right, there are so many holes in his rational that it resembles Swiss cheese. Do they get something extra in their paycheck when they go out of their way to jump on the bush/McCain campaign wagon?
This is totally SICK! The logic is astounding. This guy should be sent to the most dangerous part of Iraq and left to his own resources. Any conservative who supports this creep, or better yet, any conservative who doesn't demand his permanent ouster, ought to be sent to Iraq with him.
Coming from a chickenhawk, this means about as much as a really good fart.
Maybe their whining would really get somewhere if the majority of REAL PATRIOTIC Americans ( the ones that don't just wear lapel pins and put bumper stickers on their cars) didn't support this GI bill.
As it is, the only ones buying what Faux "News" is selling on this issue are the real diehard republicans that still listen to this crud.
BTW, thanks for watching Faux "news" so I don't have to.
"Volunteers" is a relative term anyway. Sometimes the only way a young man can get out of poverty is by joining the military and getting regular meals and maybe... maybe even some financial assistance towards college. I would hardly consider that voluntary.
I was dreaming of patenting a kind of guillitine blade this morning, seriously that's what my mind naturally comes up with free of conscience. What an era ...
Asiren @ 4:
I guess Fox's position is that the money is best spent on murderous mercenaries.
It's really sad how much FOX hates the troops. Next those idiots America haters at FOX will be saying that troops shouldn't be paid at all since you know 'volunteer' implies doing it for free.
Strange logic goin' on here. Education benefits were supposed to be an incentive for enlistment. Now they are being touted as a disincentive for re-enlistment. Is this what they mean by talking outta both sides of your mouth?
This is hilarious! Right when the twink was talking about how people don't read the entire issue, they depend on headlines to see what point is being pushed on them, at the bottom of the screen it says "WH Slams Media...Accuses NY Times and NBC of bias". Yes Fox, we know what you are pushing on your viewers.
Oops, that's > guillotine < rather ...
Why does Faux nooz hate the troops?
Here's something that escapes me: what could possibly be their point in besmirching a Bill that has already passed both Houses of Congress by veto-proof numbers?
~Rev. El
I think that the military recruiters need to be contacted and given this man's phone number and address ASAP. Actually, they need to be contacted and given the info for every chickenhawk out there. Let them call these cowards and let the cowards explain to the recruiters that they don't want the job.
I move that the show be renamed "Fox and the Three Biggest Idiots We Could Find." Or, more simply, "Fox and Fucktards."
An incredibly absurd argument. It is a slap to the face of those who serve and makes a lie out of any claim of supporting the troops.
Well, atleast the troops will see this for what it is. And will see this admin for what they really are. This will surely take it's toll on their moral.
Rev. El Mundo @ 21:
They're humping for bush/McCain's point of view. That's their only job.
"is it vy-trolic? vitriolic!"
is it moran? or moron?
god, these people are fools. anyway, what show is this? obviously it's on fox but i don't see where it's supposed to be a commentary show, is it just supposed to be a news show? because it's unbelievably slanted, even for fox.
Could someone tell me, what make those Fox chickenhawks qualified to even talk about military issues ? !!.
Mission "Sink Scotty" has begun!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,359023,00.html
Sorry, was that... FOX News giving Rove an interview to defend himself? Say it isn't so!
Kilmeade? Yeah, by the looks of that photo it appears he's 'killed to much mead'. Dissipated on the job are you, Brian ol boy? hmm?
I also like the way the bleached blond says that part of the problem is the public 'doesn't read the details'. This coming from a Fox talking head who had apparently never encountered the word vitriolic before.
I guess Brian kind of missed the whole meaning of Memorial Day.
It's nice to see FOX calling Bush a liar.
He's going around telling everyone how these conflicts are like World War II.
By Fox News, you mean “Random thoughts of Rupert (Right Wing Australia Douchebag) Murdoch" as perpetrated on the intellectually underprivileged trailer dwelling U.S viewing public
Faux News is turning into a parody. People are turning away in droves. The only people who watch Faux are old-timers and the truly paranoid. Hopefully if the Dems don't win the White House, the congressional races will put the Dems over the top. The Repugs have to thrown out of power, if not for us, at least for our kids.
In Basic Training, we would have given a shitheel like Kilmeade the blanket party of the century.
Not that guys like him would be found anywhere near a barracks.
Brian K has always been the comic relief on that show as far as I could tell. He proves it again & again.
To bad none of them were asked to define "vitriolic" That would have been fun to watch.
Based on their "logic" we probably shouldn't even pay volunteer soldiers because defending freedom and killing corporate America's enemies is reward enough. What a bunch of heartless, brain dead, chicken hawks.
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Super Jesus
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Oops Here's the "o" that fell out of the first word of my previous comment.
To bad he didn't get a chance to say that up front and personal to the GI's in question. Better yet, he can deliver it in Iraq. Don't worry, you'll get plenty of body armor.
Needless to say, this chickenhawk never served.
It's ironic that the blonde bimbo from FoxNews doesn't know the word "vitriolic" after having read vitriol off her teleprompter every day.
"They’re humping for bush/McCain’s point of view. That’s their only job."
But Beanbrain's and McLame's "point of view" has been discredited and is now a dead issue as far as this Bill is concerned. These bozos can't effect any change in this respect. So, again, what could possibly be their motive?
~Rev. El
The biggest blow-hards are really the biggest pussies.
Michael @ 42:
He'd have never made it through basic training.
I can't make comments about FOX. That's like making fun of mentally handicapped persons.
Rev. El Mundo @ 44:
They don't care if the bill passed or not. Their job is to tell you why bush/McCain were against it and to defend their point of view. McCain was a total asshole for being against the bill so they are running in to try to stop the stench from spreading if they can. They are saying, sure McCain was against it and we can justify why he should have been, so vote for McCain.
My dad volunteered the day after Pearl Harbor. They wouldn't take him because of a heart defect, which their doctors detected, not like the butt sore Rush's doc claimed. Dad did defense work for the next four years. How much soldiering or war work did Fux's employees and their relatives do?
So,.........what's going to happen when McInsane gets elected as the new president by the insiginificant 29%'ers?
So...According to Fox News, the reward for volunteering to serve in our nation's military is to get f*cked.
Why do they hate our troops?
The retired Mouth of Sauron, bites his Master's Hand.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mcclellan_book
Look don't get upset with these three a**holes, chickenhawks always holler the loudest, the three people on Faux and Jerks are there just to take up space,and their rating is going down the tube just like Faux idol and Glenn Beck over at CNN, so not to worry, stick a fork in them because they are done.
I get the distinct impression that this sniveling little bitch will spend the rest of his life dodging ass-whippings from the people he's currently pissing on. Hope he lives his life in fear or exile or both.
A guy comes home from Iraq with no arms. Would these people deny him the education he will need to support himself for the rest of his life? Could they do that? Could they look him in the eye and say, hey, nobody made you volunteer for the service.
A guy comes home from Iraq after his 4th tour. Can they look him in the eye and say no money for education for you because you volunteered to serve?
If they could, we have the very definition of heartless and cruel.
Not only wrong, but an insult to the hundreds of thousands of Americans who VOLUNTEERED for WWII, like my father.
It's like watching 3 little Scott Mc Clellan's...all spouting the party line of crap.
The assclown of america-{awolbush}--has got his own propaganda tv station ,up -chucking -more of the same old lies.WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.ANYBODY--WHO STILL supports these cowards are true idots wraped in a moron.These criminals need to be taken out back to the wood shed.The hand picked crowds that they want in the audience,should speak for itself.True-cowards,that hide behind the troops.-------nough said.
r @ 57:
Interesting...now Scott's singing a different tune, isn't he???
Here's one link of many--
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/scott-mclellan-former-pre_n_103...
If a Democratic presidential nominee said anything close to what Kilmeade is saying here, the whackos on the right would be talking about it every hour until the election. 'Look!!! He thinks our troops aren't worth absolutely EVERYTHING!!!'
We live in such a consistently moronic state in this country.
People literally do not know up from down.
The folks in FOX land are something else. Imagine, a hole news station dedicated to the Republican Party.
We need the new Webb GI Bill to soothe the minds of the troops.
afterall, its not easy sublimating the deaths of 1 million plus Iraqi civilians, 3-4 million Iraqi refugees. Not to mention the trampling on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
30 pieces of silver.
Meet Fox and Friends!
Yeah yeah, I'm sure they're ratings are high. Meanwhile 40000+ troops have PTS.
Faux and assholes can eat shit.
Doesn't volunteering make them more worthy?
Also, how many of these Fox schmucks are from Long Island? How many of them live in houses originally bought by beneficiaries of the GI Bill. The GI helped build the white suburbs, remember that. Many in the 'Greatest Generation' would never have been able to buy a house if it weren't for that program.
pissed off patricia @ 55:
Yeah, but that's a false premise. To answer these questions, you have to start from a position of putting yourself in this person's shoes. That is, imagining coming home from a WAR... as in a SOLDIER.
See how that proposition doesn't work for almost everybody in the modern day republican party?
So for all the volunteers who reach the end of their enlistment and get "stop-lossed" and aren't able to get out, are they still volunteers?
These guys must forget that they will have to face vets in the streets, resteraunts and lecture circuits for the rest of their lives.
If the increase in benefits were aimed at them, they would be all for it.
This will only help Dems in general elections.
Faux Noise strictly hires morons with an iQ of 25 or lower.
I think Fox should take the lead on this and ask the WWII vets who volunteered instead of wait for the draft pay back the funds they got from the GI bill. Anyone who has a "support the troop" car magnet who doesn't support this bill should really have that magnet shoved somewhere else.
Increasingly it feels like Fox News has jumped the shark. They're becoming parodies of themselves, a freak show so bad that it's almost good. Sort of like watching a train wreck unfold . . .
Conservatives needed a news station. The problem with Fox is that they thinly pretend to be otherwise. Where ABC tries like the dickens to hide their ovious agenda. Ya know, family friendly, one big Disney happy family. Which in a way is worse.
What is troubling about Fox is that it owned and operated by a Non American, yet changed the face of America (for the worse), and has a black ops secret room in which to conduct the misinformation and whatever else goes on in black ops departments. Not white or grey ops; black ops. Look it up if you don't know the difference.
Someone needs to remind Dinkmeade that his Fuhrer, Bush, just compared Iraq to WWII, so why shouldn't its soldiers get the same deal! I hope this douchebag meets some soldiers in a dark alley sometime...
Plan 9 @ 70:
It's kind of like Scott McClellan. I could tell during the end of his stint as press secretary that he knew that everything he was saying was complete shit. I actually admired him, despite the constant stream of verbal diarrhea... because you could tell he actually had a soul and it was bothering him... severely.
Except, FOX is like McClellan in his last days as the press secretary, only he can NEVER leave... and can never do anything other than crawl around on his knees throughout the White House.
The second FOX starts fighting against the party line, is the second everybody there loses their job immediately and it sinks into complete obscurity and probably dead-air within months.
It's the typical republican attitude. Everyone should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without government assistance, even the soldiers who have no legs and no longer need boots.
Terrible @ 16:
It's even more sad how many troops and their families turn to Faux News as a reliable news source. If people didn't watch these ass clowns, Kilmeade would be Nautica wear at Macy's!
I doubt Brian Kilmeade ever seriously considered a military career. Other priorities and all that.
As for the G.I. Bill, if I'm not mistaken, helping WWII veterans get a college education (like my dad, who could not have afforded it otherwise), was instrumental in bringing about the amazing prosperity that followed. Not to mention winning the Cold War.
Maybe peace and prosperity just aren't "traditional values."
Fox and Friends. The absolute bottom feeders of News. Leave it to them to be on the wrong side of this important issue once again.
All six of the WWII vets in my family volunteered. As a matter of fact I can't recall ever meeting a WWII vet that was drafted.
pissed off patricia @ 55:
Yes, they could.
The Right says those quadriplegics should just pick themselves up by their own bootstraps.
The Right opposes the Nanny state. All those fences near bridges to prevent suicides have to come down. If a Vet with PTSD wants to commit suicide, the Right will do their damnest to allow him to do so.
That's the Right way.
Which is wrong.
They've volunteered to do a tour of duty -- not 3, 4 or 5!
Vitriol. God, that is so funny. That hag has to be at least 40 years old and has never encountered that word? I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't think I got out of junior high without knowing what that means. Clearly, she's never even read the NYTimes. It's simply over her head.
Amazing. An improved GI bill is the absolute least we could do for our troops. If that creepy chickenhawk even saw one week of combat, or even had enough brain power to imagine what that would be like, he could never say such ludicrous things.
Why do republicans hate our troops? Repeat this phrase often.
Who even watches "Fox and Friends"? The show's idiotic, knee-jerk fake journalists have be wrong on so many issues -- even just counting this past year -- that I'm surprised it still has an audience.
I will give Fox credit for one thing they have absolutely become the masters of distraction.
Why do republicans hate our troops?
When Pearl Harbor was attacked, and America delcared war on Japan, so many showed up at recruiting stations to volunteer, the recruiters finally resorted to taking names and such, and telling them, "Okay, go home and wait. When we can handle all of you in training, we'll call you."
I know there were draftees, but not nearly so large a percentage of total soldiers as in Vietnam. And besides, why shouldn't a young troop who volunteered because of what happened on 9/11 be given something in return, besides a cardboard box to live in, and no medical treatment for the resultant PTSD?
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Appeasement Bullshit @ 2:
I agree!!
I don't watch the "fox" channel. When I am surfing the channels, I try not to even land on it for fear of hearing a word of the crap they offer. When I do hear about the "Fox jackasses" it is via references from the other Networks/Jon Stewart . Even that is too much for me !! The level of ignorance/stupidity is amazing to me. I am slightly tempted to tune in and see how they are handling Scott's new book, but will resist that temptation!!! :-)
He's right in that the WWII military had little choice, most of whom were probably drafted. There was such a huge influx of soldiers returning afterwards they had to be dealt with in some fashion to reinstall them into society. It was almost as bad as a refugee problem, and was probably needed to convince the public of the need for the Marshall Plan.
But volunteers volunteered, and that should be rewarded. As Dr Acula pointed out some have had 3 or 4 tours of hazardous duty.
This guy is an idiot - even worse than the usual Fox offerings!!!!
Zak44 @ 36:
Amen, Zak, Amen. Not that I advocate that kind of behavior, just sayin,...
So what they are saying is if they were the "types" that would serve the country then they would want to serve 3 or 4 tours before they were eligible for GI benefits. If these stooges were faced with what the troops have to deal with they would have done what Cheney and Bush did....................not fucking serve.
displaced @ 13:
I used to work with a young veteran of the first Gulf War. He joined the army when he turned 18, because he was "aged out" of foster care and had nowhere else to go. He was an outstanding young man, and is just the type who should be helped by a generous GI Bill.
"is it 'vitrolic'" jesus h christ!
So a backdoor draft suddenly counts as volunteering?
Plan 9 @ 70:
I hope the other Fuxheads that do the high-volume evening programs--Clannity, O'Really--say EXACTLY the same thing. Maybe then, even their pea-brained base will realize just how lame this sounds and will begin seeing that these fuckwits don't serve their interests.
According to Kilmeade's own WEB site, he started his "career" after graduating from Long Island University. I'm sure if he HAD served in the military, he would be yelling it from the rooftops. He is 44 years old, but isn't that still within the Pentagon's eligibility standards? He appears to be in reasonably good shape, physically speaking - but could he pass the psych exam he would have to take in order to volunteer? Surely he could match the standards the armed services have recently had to sink to in order to attract patriotic men like him (felons, rapists, robbers, etc.). Then again, maybe not. Do they still do an IQ test?
"when you see the headline, thats what you will believe"
to hear anyone say that on fox is so funny on so many levels.
that sums up the bush approach to presidential leadership. our "all the sizzle without the steak" or "all hat no cattle" president has used that very trick more times than i can count. and now we see the old rove trick of accusing your opponent of the very thing you are doing yourself show up one more time.
Another thing. Couldn't some of these soldiers who serve three years and then are given four years of college for free return to the military of Officer Training School? Does going to college mean ALL of these soldiers will leave the military?
What's funny is that most enlistments are for 4 years with 4 years Inactive Ready Reserve. Generally all enlistments are for some combination of 8 years, a portion spent on active duty and a portion spent in a non-training inactive ready reserves. Since the President has called up tons of Inactive Ready Reserves (basically civillians who probably were working & building families), the argument that they will "leave the military after 3 years" is silly. The chickenhawks and yellow elephants that work at Fox News don't understand the military. The Fox & Friends people seem to act as if the military was like working at Starbucks. They see as people giving their general their two weeks notice after 3 years and going to college. It's laughable.
The other thing is that 75% of the people who join the military, get out after their first tour. How much more higher is it going rise with the new GI bill? 77%?
Im sorry but these people have malformed defective brains and eyes. They are just creepy to look at and creepy to listen to. Kilmeade looks like he has a fuse ready to be lit. He's got some kind of anger problem related to the simple way in which he processes complex thoughts. Crawl back into your hole. And don't call your show a news show; as you spout demented opinion throughout.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"Kilmeade’s argument is so full of holes, it’s hard to know where to begin"
His argument AND his head. I don't know who is more dumb, him or Steve Douchebag. Throw in the female twit and you've got GOP propaganda being pimped by the 3 stooges.
I think "vitriol" is OVERUSED already. It's getting annoying seeing this word used everyday in every second post.
Oops, I forgot.
Vitriol!
You could probably send a few thousand vets to Harvard for he cost of one week in Iraq.
Faux news appeals to the ignorant and they want to keep more of them for an audience.
I dont know who this fellow is, but he is correct.
At some point, it is difficult to differentiate between professional soldiers and professional mercenaries.
Are you prepared to make the same (or modified version) available to CACI and Blackwater subcontractors?
Let me help these bobbleheads out with this headline. It's really all we need to know after 8 years of the Chimp: George Bush: WORST PRESIDENT EVER!
My outrage is such that any attempt at a coherent post to express it is doomed to fail. Let me just say these people are disgusting, vile and every one of them should be under investigation since they've already proven that they're nothing but a mob of criminals.
RD @ 101:
Spare us your vitriol, RD.
It is unbelievable how moronic these guys who work for fox news are. they have no shame, no ethics, no moral code. they will do anything and everything to gain the top rung. When will they wake up and find their moral compass. How do they sleep at night. They've literally sold our country down the drain for their own personal gain. What would happen if they just said no thanks en masse when told to parrot the talking points of the day as issued by der fuhrer at Fox News or whoever is calling their shots.
my father was a volunteer in WWII. he went on the get his PHD, built a department a state university which has produced an amazing amount of talent for this country...FO FOX
anon @ 105:
Hell no.
anon @ 105:
are you related to kilmeade??? how about the bim who doesnt know what vitriol means?
anon @ 105:
You can't be serious. Subcontractors are PAID EMPLOYEES.
My father was a "volunteer" in the army in WWII--he wanted to serve and joined up at 17, before he had to.
He was also in the army no more than 2 years. Even so he was able to further his education using the GI bill.
Does volunteering to serve your country make you less patriotic than being drafted?
Should my father give the money back?
Keep it up Faux News. Pretty soon there will be no doubt that the Conservative / Republican movement cares NOTHING for our troops.
send this over to votevets...they will have a field day
So if you follow Kilmeade's line of thinking, no one deserves the GI Bill, since those who are in the military now are all-volunteer? He thinks the GI Bill shouldn't exist at all. The last I heard our military was all-volunteer. Another thing...the GI Bill doesn't pay for anything and everything does it? Doesn't it have it's limits? So it would be far from being a 'free' education.
After several tours of duty in Bush's Circus of Blood...the Government should support any member of the military who was put in Iraq and their immediate families for the rest of their lives. If they manage to get out alive, Bush$Co should be on bended knee wiping their asses for them.
WTF? I haven't read all the comments, but don't really have to: the troops there are under an effective draft due to 'stop-loss'.
Think about that phrase, 'stop-loss'. Like our troops are some kind of merchandise in a show-room. Typical Big Business attitude extended to the military. God, I wish I could have had these jerks in my 'motivational' platoon...
Fox are all over McLellen, proving once again they're nothing but a bush admin apologist machine, disgusting people, that Brian Kilmeade is the one who called for car bombing's inside Iran, a really hideous human being.
nemo @ 118:
You know that's right, I never thought of it that way...
lyleleander @ 73:
I agree. The White House made a bad choice in McClellan.
They did better when he could finally take no more. They ordered out for automatons that have had their souls removed and replaced with guano. Without soulds, they have no conscience and no pride.
andy @ 119:
the wingnuts are up in arms about his book....hilarious
but i hope no one buys his book...hes a whore
Good morning Mr. Kilmeade ..........................
For your information , I volunteered in 1963 , a year before you were born , and I received the same benefits as WW ll vets .
Have you considered volunteering to save democracy and fight em over there instead
of over here ? Or are you opting to let some one else do your fighting for you ?
You have been misinformed and maybe should consider reverting to covering the sports
beat from whence you came ............. think Peter Pricniple .
Nevada Bob
nemo @ 118:
Driving by a High School,.. the sign read, "Students out on early release." I thought, so they now openly admit that schools are prisons...
Zak44 @ 36:
Kilmeade wouldn't have made it a week in boot. He would have been one of the whining pansies that faked sleep walking to get a discharge.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 122:
I expect it will be hard to find all tucked away in the children's remedial reading area with "The Pet Goat" and the like.
OT: I read this on another blog this morning:
Hmmm...same Comcast that fired a guy for standing up to O'Reilly getting an undeserved award? Yeah, that same Comcast.
Nothing like the good old Corporate Media to tell us what and how to think. As wrong as they always are.
Live Frankly
JerryO @ 117:
These guys think that our soldiers, after four years in combat, owes FOX News for the privilege of fighting in Iraq.
Here's where they learned about war.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103441
MargeAggedon @ 126:
They would really be in an uproar if he told us all of the facts. You know that the book had to be vetted.
Brian Kilmeade armed chair chickenhawk.
OMG. What selfish morons. I can't even get into it today. I trust that everybody else on this thread eviscerated these clowns.
And what's with the idiot who doesn't know how to pronounce "vitriolic"? Lordy, why...why do these people get air time??? Oh, I know why...I'm just venting...
I oppose any kind of socialism based 'GI' bill, because all it really is is another taxpayer based socialist program, that will create dependency.
The best thing we can do for the vets is help them get back on their feet- but not put them on welfare or pay for all their expenses. As the saying goes- 'Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime'.
These men and women are fighting for our freedoms, and it would be the greatest insult to put them on a program that takes away freedom.
Socialism=the absense of freedom.
Capitalism=freedom.
It's important that we are there for vets, but having a giveaway program is not the way to do it.
People need to realize that is is the duty of soldiers to serve the US- not the US to serve the soldiers-so the 'gimme gimme' attitude here for giving Vets a socialist piggy bank is as unAmerican as it gets.
This ass acts like the volunteer military is something akin to an at-will employment. Fucking idiot. Our volunteer military is only volunteer up to the point the soon to be recruit inks his or her name on the line.
C.G Avery @ 132:
You are as poorly informed as the rest of the repugnantcants.
Edukashunal benafits for voluntears!
Are there no soup kitchens, no Blackwater.....?
This is the kind of statement that cause so many Americans to use the word "hate" is describing Neo-Cons and Bush Republicans. I often wonder who raised these people and what they were taught at the schools and churches they attended. Their ethical and moral values are certainly not based on any set of traditional parental, educational or moral principles or teachings I've every been exposed to. I'd like to hear from the parents, teachers and pastors/priests who taught these people to think and say things that are so abhorrent to our society they engender more hatred and disgust than understanding and tolerance. Where do such people come from? Who made them what they are today? What should we feel toward them?
C.G Avery @ 132:
'Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime'.
Or an education, friend? That's pretty much what the adage means. Giveaway program...what the HELL are you talking about, anyway? Are they giving away cars, too? Maybe a free bowl of soup with that rifle magazine?
Egad, man....I have to get out of here before people like you give me a headache.
Wow. What a collection of dirt bags at Fox! So this is how they support the troops? I'd love to see Kilmeade dropped off in downtown Baghdad, without support of any troops.
My father volunteered in 1941. Check the film footage of those joining up after Pearl Horbor.
The GI Bill did more for this country that any other piece of legistion ever!!!
Contrary to CG Avery@132, the GI Bill is EXACTLY meant to teach a man or woman to fish by giving him or her an education, so he won't be dependent on welfare for the rest of his or her life. After all, the armed services teach people to kill, but don't train them in that many skills suitable for civilian life. And those who would withhold such benefits for our soldiers in harm's way have to be among the most inhuman of people. How could you begrudge an education to people living under the most miserable conditions (try living in a tent in 120 degree weather day after day), not to mention getting shot at, bombed, etc., and maimed. Faux News has faux facts and faux people (Brian Kilmeade isn't even that guy's real name) on their faux network.
If the rest of the industralized world can offer free education to those that want it, why can't we offer it to the soldiers that are fighting an unjust war that they were lied to about?
C.G Avery @ 132:
Yes, "teaching a man how to fish" is called a college education, you twit. Try again.....
Ya know, if either MSNBC or CNN were smart (insert favorite joke here), they'd be creating promos using FuxNewz comments like Kilmeade's. All the Fux'ers have is the hard right wing, which has, as a core belief, absolute respect for the military. You can accelerate Fux's slide, I would think, by questioning *gasp* Fux's patriotism and respect for the military.
"Fox News helped lead the charge for an endless war in the Middle East. Thousands of young soldiers are dead, tens of thousands more are damaged. And Fox believes those brave soldiers deserve less than the ones that came before.
"...this is different."
How is it different? Because they *volunteered* to help their country.
"I am signing on in a volunteer force."
Call Fox News now and ask them why they think troops who offer to help their country deserve less."
I can see something like that causing a lot of chaos and splitting off some of the folks who are more loyal to the military than to a political party.
H1022 @ 139:
I concur. My father got his B.A from his GI Bill. I earned two B.S. degrees with mine. The GI Bill is an important and brilliant mechanism for our troops.
Ha!
"Is it vitrolic?"
And then she goes on to say that the NY Times needs to remember that Americans don't read.
Unbelievable. It's like the Trinity Broadcasting Network for motards.
Ron @ 134:
Seriously, unless this person is joking, doing some sort of a conservative parody, this kind of "thinking" (I don't think CG actually thought this through) would explain a lot about the 28 Percenters.
Kilmeade is a clown. No seriously, all that's missing is the greasepaint, but then again, who knows what the guy does off the air...
I suppose it was too much for anyone on that show to point out that the loss in retention rate would be made up for by new volunteers. That might have brought on a scolding from Mr. Ailes.
The Fox backlash can't come soon enough, and thankfully it appears to be coming on in earnest now. For those who like their chickenhawk served with a heaping side of laughter, this site might prove to be a beautiful thing... Foxholes indeed!
www.foxholeadventures.com
Dr. Matt @ 142:
Sometimes less is more. I wasted too many words on this person. "Twit" somes it up nicely.
Anais @ 140:
Anais, what the GI Bill is is a form of socialism- Socialism is a very slippery slope- it leads to communism, which is another form of fascism...Want to see how socialism creates dependency? Look at welfare, or social security. People on welfare never get off, and people become dependent on social security. No thanks, the only free thing that will help these vets is free enterprise.
Paying for their college by tax dollars is unfair to them, as it takes way their incentive to get a job and earn it, and its unfair to taxpayers like me. Why should my tax dollars be used to pay for college of people i don't even know?
I favor competitive scholarships-But there cannot be any socialist aspect of the GI Bill program.
C.G Avery @ 149:
Ron @ 141:
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