Stephen Colbert Nails Tony Perkins in Gay Marriage Debate
By SilentPatriot Tuesday May 27, 2008 9:00pm
Last night on the "The Report," Stephen Colbert hosted Family Research Council President Tony Perkins to discuss the recent landmark court ruling in California legalizing same sex marriages, and ended up catching the "family values" crusader in some serious contradictions in the way only Colbert can.
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"I think it would really be much better for the anti-gay-marriage side if they obeyed everything in the Bible, not just the anti-gay-marriage part. Don't you?"
Californians apparently agree:
A majority of registered Californian voters oppose changing the constitution of the most populous U.S. state to bar gays from marrying, according to poll released on Wednesday.
The Field Poll survey found 51 percent against approving a possible November ballot measure to prohibit gay marriage, with 43 percent in favor. A slightly differently worded question on the same issue found 54 percent opposed and 40 percent in favor.
Markos has some of the historical data showing how far Californians have come in just the past 30 years, as well as the age breakdown that bodes very well for the future of ensuring our gay brothers and sisters receive equal treatment under the law:
Approve Disapprove
5/2008 51 42
2006 44 50
2004 44 50
2003 42 50
1997 38 56
1985 30 62
1977 28 59
In other promising news, the AP is reporting that California will start issuing same-sex marriage licenses on June 14. Expect the wingnuts to fight this tooth and nail, but it's good news nonetheless:
Same-sex couples in some California counties will be able to marry as soon as June 14, the president of the California’s county clerks association said.








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Colbert NAILS 'im!
dude plx say "nails" after "Colbert" again. Gimmeh!!!!
anyway it's all quite stupid. As an ex-bf of an ex-gf once said: A marriage is a beautiful union, between a man, a woman and a government.
Extend to other genders as you will.
I've always wanted someone to ask this clown, "Say, what is the subject of the Family Reseach Council's lastest research project?" "Reseach"-- my ass.
Bigotry by any other name is still bigotry.
I just saw this colbert episode and he had perkins dead to rights when he asked him if he was kosher.
That being said if religious institutions don't want to marry gay people thats fine, fucked up, but fine. When the govt got into the marriage license biz it had a responsibility to treat the matter neutrally amongst all its citizens.
I'm not religious but I can't WAIT til muslims become a majority in this country just to watch the evangelicals squirm with all their 'its a christian nation' whining.
I don't know whether to laugh at or pity people like Perkins. They are completely oblivious to how they come across. Colbert always exposes them as the idiot bigots they are.
Bravo, Stephen!
Stephen brought the entire debate to a new level.
Best in a long time.
I am always astounded at how either foolish or absolutely arrogant these wingnuts are that they would come on a show such as Colbert's. I mean, they've GOT to know that he will in no way assist their cause. They are deluded and deserve his treatment; if only the press would do their damn job and give out the same!
Colbert had to pull back from hammering the flummoxed Tony "Lobster Breath" Perkins-- it was difficult watching the wheels in Tony's head slowly spin. I wonder if Tony is one of those extra-chromosome conservatives who believes "Colbert" is one of them.
"do you keep kosher" greatest line ever
and perkins does admit one thing...christianity is not the religion of jesus, it is the religion of paul...paul who wasnt even alive when jesus was...paul who had a dream where jesus came to him and said "hey, its ok to have a ham sandwich"
if the world ends when gays start getting married in cali this summer...i will know that the asshat is right...but for some reason, i think the sun will come up on june 15
i say if gays want to be as miserable as straight people...more power to them
kate @ 8:
It's just business. Nothing more.
When you are selling a book there is no bad publicity.
If only Tony Perkins could direct all of his efforts at banning divorce, which is a special "right" that is destroying families across the country.
You did say he was the Family Research Council President, correct?
It would have been better for the country, hell the world, if that California court had of held off on their ruling till after November.
Just what we need- another presidential election that's all about gay marriage.
I loved Tony Perkins in Psycho, what?
Nevermind!
This was so awesome! I know Perkins and his publisher want to move books but don't they realize how badly he comes off?
-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
It's official: Stephen Colbert is one funny mofo.
He also touched on an interesting topic...
Several years ago, after watching chaotic screaming and picketing and harassment outside of a family planning clinic one Saturday afternoon, I started to wonder what would happen if people began publicly protesting other sinful transgressions of the Old Testament.
For example, how about organizing a group to stand out in front of Red Lobster restaurants and harangue patrons entering the restaurant for ignoring God's word!? (Levitcus 11:10: "...And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you".
The fact is, The Bible actually makes no mention of abortion, but eating shrimp is definitely an abomination, so repent you sinners!
Here's a radical idea: let's hold these so-called Christians to their own Golden rule. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." Every time one of them wants to deny a basic American right to someone else, let's deny THEM that right. So when Perkins says no gay marriage, we revoke his right to marry. Same for others who would deny rights to others, such as Ann Coulter's comment that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Great, Ann, let's start with you!
It would be a great way to shut these bastards up. Everyone who wants to take away someone else's right loses that same right. Nice, simple, neat, and effective.
Hmm...just think of applying it to George Bush, who took away so many Americans' and Iraqis' rights to live....
Tony Perkins is a moron. I saw him on 'Hardball' in '86 and he stated that he knew there had been WMDS because he'd seen air photos of them being moved to Syria. Who showed him the photos? Why Israeli Army Intelligence, of course! I was shocked but Chris Matthews just kept on talking, and talking. I e-mailed his show wanting to know why he hadn't followed up on this rather surprising bit of news, but I got no response. I don't think Tony was supposed to be talking about his Israeli briefings, though.
ah Tony 'perky' Perkins 45, another GOP confirmed bachelor going by his wikipedia webpage,
got his jollies working with LE and being tough amongst the mustached LEOs.
joeedugan @ 18:
Same with that Sir David Frost / PM Benazir Bhutto interview November 07, she drops the bombshell that the US's FBI's most wanted person OBL was dead in dec 01 or early 02, Frost ignores or misses it completely.
Colbert's IQ must be off the scale. Seriously, I would like to see him tested.
With that blog post title, I was concerned the video might be NSFW... ;-)
And yes, Colbert is brilliant.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 10:
Amen (if I may)
Does Tony Perkins hates us for our freedom and values?
Colbert's also a Sunday school teacher (in real life, not something the character pretends to do), so he's particularly nimble on the topic of scripture. Well done.
Brad @ 24:
yes him and his fellow CCC types really do hate us.
OMFG FRC Perkins: Being green promotes Abortion/Homosexuality.
"fighting global warming is delaying teh rapture" !!!!! what a nutjob, typical CCC Republican
Bwah! ha ha... Hooray for S. Colbert! The man is brilliant and he make perkins look like the fool and bigot he is.
Bestest of the best that ah ever did saw...forever of Sunday.
Rudy did not marry him 1st cousin.
It was in 1948 that the California Supreme Court struck down laws against interracial marriage. It was only in 1967 that those laws were struck down nationwide.
California is leading the way on civil rights again; but given the current make up of the US Supreme Court, it may take a lot longer than 19 years before gays get equality nationwide.
Tony Perkins is a nobody, in a fake organization. Why anyone would even suffer talking to this fraud is beyond me.
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I just don't believe in marriage.
It actually pisses me off that in the states of KS and MO I'm legally married to my partner because we've been best friends with benefits and have lived together for 10 years.
Marriage is archaic to me. It's obviously not working. Divorce rates are what?
The truth about marriage is that it's an institution that keeps the religion thing thriving. It also keeps it religious groups locked to the government. If government does not see eye to eye with evangelical christianity (for instance) then what power do these religious leaders actually have? How can they keep their well paying charade afloat?
In places like England where religiosity isn't quite as heavy handed and Eddie Izzard's sketch on the anglican church is pretty spot on (the vicar says "open your mademoiselle to page 23 to find the new lines of lipstick"). We'll probably see gay marriage there soon enough because the religion isn't at all that strict or concerned about these issues quite frankly.
It had at a point been intertwined with British governance but since the anglican church was so obviously made up by a king (who obviously wasn't concerned with the 'sanctity of marriage') and has no real ties to the people of GB today.
Funny enough is the Irish. Since the protestants and catholics don't get along there's a debacherous counterculture that thrives without abandon in places like Dublin. So think of it this way... The ONLY church that the media here in America gives any time to is the effing evangelicals. Why is that? Why no important buddhist or jewish or ______ issues? Why? Because it wouldn't get good ratings and therefore advertisement revenue.
Starting to see the picture?
Divorce is a sad event.. but divorce is necessary at times. Forcing two persons that cant solve their differences to stay together, is an unhealthy situation. And that alone can wreck a family.
I recently heard somebody (Degeneres?) suggest that the government recognize all "civil unions" and then churches can reserve the right to recognize them or not. I thought that was the win-win idea this quagmire requires.
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I see Tony has his Loyalist Christian(R) Flag pin on.
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Fleece @ 38:
Exactly.
I was watching her show the other day and totally was... "No duh!"
But you know those Righteous Waaaahpublicans have to mix Church and State... and all.
And next you know, these Righteous Waaaahpublicans will require a religious test to even vote!
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51/42 is still a disgrace. some day in the distant future we will look back at this current vein of intolerance with shame. kinda reminiscent of jim crow isn't it
Tax all churches, no exceptions.
McCain the Liar @ 42:
Use part of the proceeds for recovery programs.
Turns out Colbert was right on the money re the "do you keep kosher" comment.
After all, Jesus said, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from Torah, till all be fulfilled." (Matthew 5:18)
It was also very revealing that when asked where Jesus spoke out against gays, Perkins replied that Saul of Tarsus did. You know, as if in an argument, Saul wins, and Jesus loses. Or as if the Son of God wasn't a smart enough cookie to both say, and not say, whatever He thought was important.
We are enjoined to Judge Not... but non-believers like Perkins do surely put temptation before us on that score.
Filthy Harry @ 5:
I think you will be waiting for a long time on that one, Filthy. I think it's much more likely for the population to become agnostic or atheist than Muslim. I don't have anything more against Islam than I already have against all moronic invisible hate filled men in the sky stories. If you are so desperate that you need some imaginary friend in the sky to tell you how to live your life and comfort you about the fact that some day you will be worm food, then have at it. Just keep your filthy weak minded shit out of my government, and out of my bed.
I think it's comments like that, by people like me that will convince most Muslims that this just isn't their kind of country. Maybe the Chri$tians will take the hint and move to Rome or better yet, Israel. That would be a great homeland for all the reicht wing fundies that are just waiting for the end. Go wait in the desert, morons.
Another indeavor by a shallow, superficial ,phychopath to exercise control over everyone elses lives in the name of the magical being. Oh magical being teach them to mind their own fucking lives and leave the rest of us be. and now a song-----Get in line in that processional-step into that small confessional- their the guy whos got religion'll-tell you if your sins original- if it is try playin it safer- drink the wine and chew the waffer. Tom Lehrer, The Vatican rag.---CEO
So I guess what he is saying is that it's not just Republican Evangelicals that are delusional imbeciles, but it's actually ALL Evangelicals are delusional and self-righteous! We'll that's good to know!
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" - United States Declaration of Independence
"inalienable rights" - United States Declaration of Independence
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I think between all of the ideas expressed by our founding fathers that i quoted above. It should be concluded that while they might not have agreed with the idea of "gay marriage" the founding fathers did not think it was right to ban freedoms that they could not envision for the next few centuries.
Besides two types of marriage exist, secular state marriage and religious ceremonies. Its ok if your Neanderthal church doesn't want to do it, go to one that will or a justice of the piece. That way the state will not be interfering with religion.
There's no funnier name of a group than the "Family Research Council." They are anti-family, and they don't do any research. They might be a council, I'll give them that.
MY OPINION:
in any state in america.... a person planning a sex change operation should get married THEN change gender........ OR visa versa.......
DRIVE THE WINGNUTZ UP A WALL.....
bill marries roberta....
roberta becomes robert....
-------------------------baboom...... what a mess.....
same sex marriage illegal/immoral
so is divorce
TAKE THAT ONE TO JUDGE JUDY
Colbert should be President. Jesus why can't the Democrats be as concise as him?
"Expect the wingnuts to fight this tooth and nail..."
I dunno, kind of sounds like a sissy way of fighting too me.
Getting nailed by Colbert is starting to be looked upon as a 'Badge of Honor' amongst his many guests.
these 'nailed' clips will become TV clssics for decades to come.
If there is a funnier, more brilliant, more quick-witted stoooge on TV than Colbert, I haven't seen him/her.
The double standards of the right wing is seemingly endless- Who are they to judge the validity of gay marriages, when half of these straight right wingers are on their second or thrird marriages? One major sin in the Bible is 'greed'- Yet greed defines the right wing way of thinking-The way they cherry pick passages from the Bible to support their hatred of others is sickening.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 47:
Former President Carter calls himself an evangelical, and I think he's pretty cool.
As someone else pointed out, Colbert teaches Sunday School, and knows his Bible (along with his "LotR')!
I'm Christian, and have no problems with this issue. I've got plenty of gay friends who have been together longer than most married people I know. What makes a mockery of marriage as a part of the church is the 50% divorce rate we have. These people at the FRC never seem to mention that.
lewisnclark @ 16:
I remember a group in Portland, Oregon that would picket Nordstrom because in Leviticus it says you can not wear mixed fiber clothing. Whenever the anti-abortion protesters or anti-gay (or as I called them DEEPLY closeted self-haters) came a pickettin' this group would get out there with their signs quoting Leviticus and picket against mixed fibers.
WAnglais1 @ 55:
Carter is a rarity- He is Christian who remembers Jesus preached compassion and charity-Carter spends his time helping others-doing what Jesus would do-how many right wingnuts would do the same?
Dave @ 9:
I think you're right, lol!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 58:
It must be the the intro that fools them...the flags, the eagles...the made up words like the president uses...Colberts a friggin genius!
Johnny wand @ 54:
While they are secretly buggering underage pages, having trysts with "escorts", paying gay drug dealers for sex (and drugs), toe tapping in the men's room at airports, pattin em on the ass "Bob Packwood style" etc. But the thing of it is, as long as you go to church every Sunday and pray for forgiveness, you can start all over on Monday with your sinning. It's simple really. Personally, I think when they go to meet their maker they are going to be unpleasantly surprised. Hypocrisy is not something God smiles on.
That being said Colbert rocks.
lewisnclark @ 16:
I'll make the placards. You bring the bullhorn. We'll show Red Lobster that you don't mess with the jebus.
hillwilliam @ 61:
HA! The Jebus, lol!
Actually, there are real reasons to pickets red lobster...I read an article years ago, that they paid mercenaries to take over the traditional fishing grounds (which happened to be teeming with shrimp and lobster) of the natives of the Mosquito Coast...which caused a small scale civil war...and alot of these tribes were massacred...so fat, ignorant Americans can eat low priced seafood until they pop.
I cannot verify the truth of this article, I wasn't there. But it's highly plausible.
I only remember eating at red lobster once before I read that article...and haven't eaten there since...
Ok...sorry SM for goin WAAAAAAAAAAAY OT...
Woohoo! This is the 3rd date (at least) I've seen.
Yahoo says June 17, this says June 14, and AP says June 11th.
clydesalerno Hussein Al Jazzera @ 37:
Yes, but when the divorce rate is over 50% (I believe it's over 50%...and am too lazy to Google it), it seems to me that the privilege of marriage is being mocked.
Tony Perkins represents a supposed Christian organization. So when it comes to Tony Perkins and God, let no man put asunder the two, okay?
My argument is still valid. Divorce is sad sometimes. Other times, as one Hollywood star after another has demonstrated, as one spouse cheater after another has proved, divorce mocks marriage.
And to change the subject, I can't help but mention Perkins' veiled reference to pedophilia ("...don't have a right to marry someone underage"), once more typing the knot between gays and minors. What a perfect a**hole is he.
Tony Perkins is a disgusting little weasel. Good to see him embarrassed like this.
"you have to dance with the girl you come with".... frickin' hi-larious!!!
Have y'all seen the photo of boosh bumping bellies with that male Air Force Academy graduate?
Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
Lollimom @ 64:
It's less of a strain to tieing the knot between republicans and minors.
Perkins:
I don't wanna get a real job, so I demonize homos in order to have an income and feel important. Seriously, I don't wanna work at a fast food joint again. I won't do it! If it weren't for that, I'd say live and let live, ya know?
Ashton Kutcher, bursting from a nearby pickle barrel:
DUDE! You have SO been punk'd! We put truth serum in your cocoa!!! Yeehaaa!
(whoops! Meant to get my handle back to it's abbreviated version. Fixed)
david @ 66:
and "Do you keep kosher?"
Ah, the coveted double nailing. Superb. BTW there's a great compilation of TCR's best nailings here:
http://colbertuniversity.nofactzone.net/index.php?option=com_content&tas...
bigbrother2084 @ 36:
Of course, we already have "Civil Partnerships", which I have decided to refer to as "marriage" (and I use the terms as "husband" and "wife" for them) so I think we're pretty damn close (and it is a bit silly to spend time making up a totally different term with entirely the same meaning when surely there already was one). Make sure you refer to the Civil Partnerships in the UK as "marriage" too, and get people to join in! :D
In one of George Carlin's HBO specials from about 20 years ago, he talked about blowhards who preach "government off our backs" except when it comes to a woman's uterus or in the bedroom. Nothing has changed.
I want to meet the people who actually are obsessed with the question "Is gay marriage ruining families?" and tell them to get a fucking hobby. That question should be a priority just under "What kind of salad dressing should I use?" in someone's mind.
I'd love to see one of these bigots confronted about their desires to restrict other's rights, which is so blatantly anti-American.
Ask them, "So, why is it that you don't believe in equality, freedom, justice and the pursuit of happiness for all Americans?"
"Do you not love America and democracy?"
"Defenders of Marriage" by Roy Zimmerman -- perfect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bja2ttzGOFM
With the divorce rate so high i think people should go find a book on how to save your marriage before telling other people who and how to get married.
lewisnclark @ 16:
The internets are way ahead of you: http://www.godhatesshrimp.com
Tony Perkins issues with women and sex:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu1LwfOM800&feature=related
Chico Hussein @ 53:
Unless you're referring to Larry, Moe and Curly a 'stooge' is generally not a good thing.
Funny how these insane Christian fascists hate everything America stands for. Just like their Islamic colleagues.
Rusty Shackleford @ 65:
And the best part is he's so fucking clueless he doesn't even get that Colbert is punking him BIG time. Whatta maroon!
conservatoire @ 6:
I don't pity him.
trez @ 75:
OMG! Thank you! No fooling, this is the first reference to Roy Zimmerman I've EVER seen - and he is WONDERFUL! His wit, intelligence, musical style and comedic delivery just make him a joy to watch. (Plus, y'know, I REALLY like his politics...) He's my new favorite, and I owe it all to you for linking to one of his YouTube videos. After I watch them ALL, I'm planning to buy his CDs at his website.
Thanks again!
Guinnevere @ 82:
I'm thrilled to be able to find more fans for Mr. Zimmerman. He is the Stephen Colbert of parodists, IMO. I wish PBS or Comedy Central would get him on tv. You're very welcome.
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