Bob Schieffer Commentary: "Hillary Clinton Gave The Speech Of Her Life Yesterday"
By Logan Murphy Saturday Jun 07, 2008 12:10pm
This morning on Face The Nation, host Bob Schieffer gave props to Hillary Clinton for her speech yesterday. While noting that there were parts of her campaign that weren't pretty, and that she ultimately came up short, there were other victories to be found in her work.
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"...She told her followers that she had not run to be the first woman president, but had been a woman running for president and that the next time a woman runs, it will no longer be so remarkable. As a father of two daughters and three granddaughters, I believe she's right about that. She lost this race, but she has advanced the cause of women everywhere."
There are still lingering frustrations felt by supporters of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama as we can see from the comments. And nobody can argue that there weren't some pretty significant mistakes made by her campaign, but it would be equally dishonest to not acknowledge the historic nature of her running as well, and how she has opened doors (as well as delineated some media land mines) for future campaigns by women. Clinton's call for unity and rallying behind Obama was exactly the note she needed to hit and she deserves credit for that, as Schieffer points out.
It's important to remember that John McCain and the Republicans are on the ropes in the general public's estimation and they know it. Hell, McCain is already trying to co-opt Barack Obama's campaign themes, which is a sure sign he's scared to death. Their only hope is to divide the Democratic Party and pray that we fail to unite behind our candidate in the fall. Let's not fall for their trap.
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One of those "Come Together, Right now, Over Me" moments.
When I think about what women have gone thru, just to get the right to vote.(suffragette's)
I think that what she did was historic.
The same can be said for Sen Obama.
This has been an extraordinary primary, lets hope we can finish it with a smile on our faces.
Together, we can do it. Divided, we fall.
Like I've said elsewhere, the mainstream "reporters" and the professional commentator/ pundit class are fulsome in their praise of Hillary Clinton NOW because she's done what they've demanded of her for the last four months. The mainstream media is always happy to commend you for doing what they say you should.
Yes indeed, the corporate media he man women haters have been eager and willing to admire her for quitting, lo these many months. In fact I recall them encouraging her to do so on a daily basis for the past five months.
Hypocrits.
Clinton did exactly what the party needed her to do and she did it with style and class. I know many people were angry that she didn't concede right away but, as an Obama supporter I can see why she did it. Passions were running high on both sides and I think she realized that people needed a few days to let the news sink in and to cool off. She also need that time in order to begin steering her supporters (as many as possible) towards Obama. Now, with her endorsement the Democratic party can shift gears and go full throttle against McCain.
Of course she gave a great speech.
While pundits and bloggers were smacking her down with hate and vitriol, no one
ever listened to a word she had to say.
Its so amazing how fellow Dems chewed this candidate up.
Not even the self-hating republicans took it anywhere near this level
when it became apparent that McBush was their guy.
I hope some of the White House teleprompters are still working after
8 years of Bush. We've got a candidate who needs them just as badly.
it would also be dishonest to not acknowledge some equally bad mistakes in the obama campaign. and aside from the obvious, such as "those people" lines, the biggest mistake he made, and continues to make, is having absolutely no plan for universal healthcare. Now, that he also has no plans to end the war in Iraq immediately means even if he comes up with a plan for universal healthcare he'll have no money to pay for it. hooray for obama, and i'll be voting for him GLADLY over McCain, but let's hold our candidate to the fire. If he is really the candidate of change, he better start showing us how exactly he's going to change things. Or, obviously, nothing will.
There is only one candidate now. We cannot allow John McCain to be president.
Nobody's safe until Hillary's completely, officially out of the presidential line of succession. Just say no to eternal Bush/Clinton corporate rule. Some of you are too young to remember when people not named Bush or Clinton got to be the President. I assure you these are not mere fairy tales - the stories are true.
McCain is co-opting Obama's campaign themes that Obama co-opted from Bill Clinton who co-opted them from everybody who ever ran for President.
Want change?
Look in the coin-return slot of the pay phone.
I haven't come to terms with the way the media villified Hillary Clinton. And they did. Just like they did Howard Dean when he ran. But this time it was sexist even by women journalists. I will listen to Obama as these months go by. Right now, I can't vote for him. Nor will I vote for McCain. Right now I'm inclined to just not vote & let the boys fight it out without this woman voter. We'll see as it goes forward.
What is this bullshit about a Clinton dynasty? Having wife follow husband is NOT a dynasty. President Clinton was very much an entirely self-made man. It's not as though he and his wife had generations of entrenched power and privilege behind them (like the Bush family).
Referring to the Clinton's as a dynasty just cheapens the concept by broadening beyond real priviledged dynasties (Bush again).
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 9:
Hillary Clinton has lost but that's no reason to stop kicking her.
Maureen Dowd is at it today in the Times.
It's tough to stop punching. After all, everything the Obama campaign had was that he wasn't Clinton.
Now - we got to face that he is Obama - not much there.
It's tough to switch, but it seems the way to go now is to start the mantra that he is not McCain.
[deleted - please keep it civil. Sitemonitor.]
FBush @ 6:
I sure hope Obama has some substance to go with his style.........guy sure gives a nice speech, but that and $4.00 will buy me a gallon of gas.
it was a great speech....
at first, i was disappointed that she didn't ridicule that absurd notion that her supporters might vote mccain.....i trust she will make that clear in the near future; she was right to leave out any mention of that despicable old con-artist in that moment of victory for her and obama....
dems should run as if mccain didn't even exist, never mention the guy, ignore his dishonest attacks, challenges, etc.... only liars, thieves and adulterers support mccain....only fools believe in him.....
Yesterday you rolled a clip where a self proclaimed conservative good ol boy from small town Tennessee gave a tongue lashing to a Republican congressman. On CSPAN of all places! CSPAN, aka the Kristol & Kagan platform. Honestly, the Democrats could run a billy goat against McCain this year and McCain would lose. Its less an issue of Dems winning than it is the Republicans ability to hide as much of their screw ups as possible come November.
JHR @ 14:
Clinton's speeches talked about freezing interest rates for those facing foreclosure.
Creating tax breaks so that the green industry would be the next big thing to lift us out of this oil mess.
Taking away tax breaks for big oil.
Obama wanted to talk about walking on sunshine.
Ugh.
the race for pres. should be between obama and clinton. both are intelligent, both have good ideas, there are differences which is good for debate. it would be an exciting race which would get people to pay attention and think. instead we get this ignorant, stupid old man who's speeches would put every insomniac to sleep, while the msm will be sucking him off every step of the way. the republicans don't deserve a candidate.
Clinton received 18M votes. Obama received 18M votes. McCain received 9.8 M votes.
And the media is silent about that. I think they are trying to paint this as an equal horse race ("the polls show McCain and Obama in a dead heat!"=Little Wolfie Blitzer)
But it isn't.
The Dems need to come together to make this a blowout election.
Faux News Headline: Could a black president help or image aboard?
Fuck her! The only reason she finally conceded was because Democratic Party chieftains were finally able to put enough pressure on her to convince her to give it up. If she had her way, we'd be getting treated to more of her race-baiting and pandering right up until the day of the Democratic Convention. Finally, people to whom she actually listens were able to sit her down and say "Look, it's over. You lost. You keep this shit up, and we're going to end up with John McCain as President. It will be your fault if that happens" The writing was on the wall for awhile now; I see no reason to give Hillary any credit for actually reading it. Oh, and by the way, she's still holding on to her delegates. I wonder why that is.
Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 19:
Oh yeah, because the white guys have done such a great job thus far.
Sure glad to see you Clinton supporters coming together. Ugh.
JaimeFuffufnik @ 8:
And not allowing John McCain to be president should be the first and foremost objective for everyone.
The best thing Clinton fans could do for her right now is do what she asked and support Obama. That's what she asked of you so why turn your back on her request now?
In 2000, independents were blamed for Gores defeat (rightly or wrongly). In 2008, many Hillary Democrats would rather a Republican win than vote for Obama. Will they be blamed?
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 22:
Oops, typo: "Could a black president help Our image aboard?"
need more coffee
pissed off patricia @ 24:
See quote #21, #22.
Not my party.
Too burned out on 5 months of that sort of "debate".
I never looked at this primary's race as a man or woman's race.
I never felt that Hillary will bring the change the country needed now, being so much connected to so many Washington PACS.
She was not straight forward about her vote of 'authorizing the President to use force' in 2002.
She went again and voted for another authorization against Iran..
She said she will obliterate Iran .
This beside many other issues were of big concern to voters.
I never cared whether she is a man or a woman...
The media is playing this game..but that's not why Hillary lost the race..
FBush @ 28:
[deleted, knock off the personal attacks. Site Monitor] and give your vote to McGrampa, [deleted]
I don't like that Obama wasn't there.
She should have combined her concession with an Obama rally to show unity, instead of it being 95% about her.
The debates and such are over now. We can keep pissing and moaning or we can learn from the past and move on. The choice now is simple. Four more years much like the last eight or something new and hopefully more positive. Sure, if you like you can not vote at all or vote for some other candidate. The chances of some other candidate winning this time are pretty slim. If you just stay at home, then no matter who wins you can't bitch about it with any authority since you didn't participate in the vote.
So do you want to celebrate winning in November and having more hope for our future than we have now, or do you want to be part of the reason we wouldn't be able to do that?
FBush @ 17:
It's so obvious who these two McCain shills are... stick around - Obama's about to substance the republicans right out of the white house... and the congress... and the senate. We'll see who has the last laugh.
It is certainly a dynasty. Weren't Bill and Hillary the "buy one get one free" Presidential duo, according to Bill himself? I don't think that current laws go far enough. First Husbands/Ladies should be ineligible to hold the office - as should all other immediate family members. No exceptions for Kennedys, Tafts, Rockefellers, Byrds, and certainly not Clintons or Bushes.
When the patriarchs of the two "politically opposed" (or so we're to believe) families are as buddy-buddy as Bush I and Clinton are, and the presidency goes from the former head of CIA Bush, to Clinton, to Bush's son, to (hopefully only in theory now) Clinton's wife... you don't have to go to Denmark to smell something rotten. Anything, and I do mean anything, would be better than more of that bullshit. Look at what it's gotten us thus far. Nostalgic types with hard-ons for the Clinton era should look carefully at what transpired during that time - more than a little of it would have fit just fine into the Bush agenda. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (this can, to be fair, be construed as "baby steps" in the right direction - but still it's weak sauce in a "free country"). DMCA. NAFTA. The continued degradation of the FCC. Relaxations on media ownership rules.
Fuck. That. Shit. Let's not view the Clinton years with rose-colored glasses. We do ourselves a grave disservice that way. Just because it looks good in retrospect doesn't mean it was any good for progressives. We don't need any more Clintons, or Bushes. They need to stop bogarting the White House already.
Of course she gave a great speech and delivered an enthusiastic endorsement. I have no doubt that Obama would have done precisely the same thing had the situations been reversed. That's what political professionals do.
The only hope the Republicans have in the fall is to keep this Clinton-Obama rivalry going, and based on the coverage today, I think they're going to try to make that happen. With such a weak candidate as McCain, they have no other alternative. Of course, they could always start another war before the election, but that's another thread.
Dietrich @ 10:
Obama, and McCain for that matter can both promise change until the cows come .
We had a change election in 2006 and we got change,
change for the worse. A congress in control by democrats that was almost as enabeling to the Bush crime family as the republican congress that prerceded it. The performance of the democrats was shameful, pathetic, and gutless. They deserve nothing in the way of reward for their cowardice.
I don't want change, nearly as badly as I want improvment
and neither Obama or McCain give much hope, nor did HRC.
These campaigns are not nearly so much about public service
as they are about self service.
1st Republic 14th Star @ 3:
Ted Kennedy went all the way to the convention down 700 delegates. The MSM, guardians of Truth, Freedom and, above all, The American Way responded to this 'arrogant display...' with
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Obama still = Dukakis
Remember we still have the possibility of martial law and no election, or there is always the republican stand by of voter fraud. How McCain came to be where he is tells me we are being set up. Remember Karl Rove is still in the picture and I am sure he is putting into motion a plan that will have no regard for human life...
I, for one, am happy I wont have to hear her lying thru her teeth repeatedly on the campaign
trail... lying as easy as she breathes.
WRG @ 33:
What was Obama's energy plan again?
Vote for Cheney's....
Oh, good.
Say! You dont' mind if I do not hold by breath waiting for The Magic Man to produce some real, workable policy do ya?
Thanks, you're a very generous person.
pissed off patricia @ 32:
I'm with you POP.
There is a groundswell growing in the USA, we should ALL strive to make sure this isn't stolen away once again. We have a Man of Vision now running in the General election. This is probably our best chance to change the direction of the ship of state.
If we can't take back the USA on this try just think about how much damage will be done with another Four years of Bush Policies, because THAT is what you get by voting Republican.
Media treated Clinton bad like you know they declared that Obama had no chance what so ever and she had a lock on the nomination.
Oh and the Clintons really did a great job race baiting. Really some top tier race baiting, but let's sweep that under the rug.
But those of you saying, "it was the media" is laughable and stinks of a detachment from reality. Obama won, that is what happened. Nobody pushed her out, they just knew how to do simple addition and stated reality or facts.
Clinton makes a lot of promises that go entirely against what she has stood for. Honestly, how many corporate shills can you surround yourself with, how can you push through nafta and sign more deals like it while you are in the senate, worked on the corporate board of walmart, don't know how to use a coffee maker, and then have people think you fight for middle/lower class voters.
[Deleted. Off topic. Open thread FOIA. You've been around long enough to know that-Sitemonitor]
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 34:
Progressive Punch ratings for:
Obama 41st in the Senate
Clinton 26th in the Senate
Enjoy some OJ with your fact free breakfast why don't ya?
While Senator Clinton was dealing with her battle, and Senator Obama was dealing with all the insanity about flag pins, his middle name, his minister, and all the stuff about how much did he love America, McCain was hiding in the bushes. Now the lights will shine on him more and I think we'll see a lot of Republicans saying, hold on just a minute, is this our candidate? They may say they will vote repub, but in that voting booth, they may not do that.
nittany @ 42:
'The math' that Howard Dean was rewarded for by Obama was fascinating stuff. Too say that the Dems know how to count, in this instance, is just plain ludicrous.
A.Citizen @ 40:
How much are you trolls being paid to spread the crap that your spewing...
Joe O. @ 5:
I don't recall hearing the word concede...suspend maybe. And Clinton cannot "steer" her supporters anywhere. She is admired by them, but she does not dictate how they vote. She did what she had to do, now it is up to Clinton supporters to decide who they want to vote for....many will not be voting for obama. Those are the cold, hard facts.
True, Obama doesn't have easy solutions to all the major problems simply because there aren't any answers. That may have been Hillary's principal problem. She tended to present herself as "Ms. Fix-It" and we all know it just doesn't work that way. The problems are just too great for even a President.
The Republicans have made such a horrible mess of things in this country that the only way out may be from the bottom up, not the top down. Sure, it's a roll of the dice with Obama, but what more can we lose?
WRG @ 46:
What does the USA want?
☺Tired old politician with no original thoughts (even steals campaign slogans of change).
☻New Politician with great Ideas (who can use the English language) and who can Excite the Nation and bring Hope back to those of us who feel the country has been lost.
Take your pick.
go Obama!
A.Citizen @ 44:
Absolutely! The extremely wealthy in the US actually fared much better under Clinton while the mean income continued to fall at about the same rate as under Ronald Ray Gun. America has really had quite enough of multi millionaire corporate shills doing the bidding of the military industrial complex. After Obama is elected, we need to eliminate the corporate MSM and start using facts to live by instead of the fantasies of the idiots who signed the PNAC document. The new media needs to go get those PNAC exposed so they can become defendants.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 52:
Ditto - GO OBAMA!
Amazing isn't it that the media decries the influence of money into politics, yet a vast majority of that money goes directly from the political campaigns into the pockets of the media to pay for TV advertisements and coverage? I've always found that ironic.
Rico @ 55:
Watch how much free advertising they give McCain now that we have a nominee.
Underground Pirate @ 53:
Obama took months to shake off the hate-inciting lil' ol' Rev. Wright.
If you think that he's going to take on PNAC— that is pretty dam funny.
Is that the stuff of which you think he's made?
Maybe you didn't happen to notice what his first stop was the day after winning the nomination?
WRG @ 47:
Listen very carefully, sir. I am not a troll, nor am I a racist. I an co-chair of a chapter of Drinking Liberally, I was at YearlyKos.
If you think folks like me are going to take your ignorance, Obama did vote for Cheney's energy bill, your arrogance and tehn vote for Senator 'SnakeOil' you are sadly mistaken. But then that's already apparent is it not.
Look, do yourself and the others here a favor. Really, everyone would appreciate it if you'd take Mark Twain's advice when he said:
FBush @ 57:
Link?
Which are the repuglie trolls and which are really Democrats? Still feeding us hatred and divisiveness, telling us we are racists and woman haters, telling us how terrible HRC is, what a terrible person. They should learn that Barry Ballless is an empty suit. But no matter, unless of course Barry is indicted or it finally begins to sink in that he associates with criminals as normal course. But in one sense, Barry has accomplished something that I never thought would happen. I won't be voting for a Democrat for president. I won't vote for McInane either.
FBush @ 57:
Indeed, on this issue there is no diff between the two candidates. Further, anyone who thinks Obama is 'something new' is delusional. He's an old story 'wrapped in the Flag and carryinging the Cross...
Ron @ 59:
You don't know? Pathetic.
jimbo @ 60:
That's moving forward. NOT!
Oh yeah, and I wanted to add "women who have actual experience".
The MSM absolutely spewed a big bukkake on Hillary, but she added a pail to the jizz bath with her self-congratulatory tall tale of Tuzla (Maybe the little girl was the sniper?). The fact that she told that HUGE LIE more than once, even after the video was circulating on YouTube, was for me the final unraveling of her campaign. Then the lame and false excuses by Bill, followed by his lashing out at reporters...man, that was ugly.
Most of the criticism was unfair, but then some of it was perfectly legitimate. Hillary's ties to corporations, to the DLC, Tuzla, and her political liability of having Bill shadowing her campaign were all fair knocks.
Something else she failed to do was co-opt Barack Obama's base early on, undercutting his appeal. Maybe it was an impossible task, but Hillary needed to find a way to get support from Blacks and Hispanics and other ethnic minorities to widen her campaign into something more than its main base among progressive women. I'm not saying that was her whole base, but obviously Obama seized more of it than Hillary could get. In the end, Obama got more legitimate votes (by rule, Michigan and Florida really didn't count).
A.Citizen @ 62:
Now you are being pathetic.
"The way in which Obama got the nomination is similar to how Bush won in 2000 against Gore. All votes were not counted and they were not counted equally."
It was a joke of an election.
After the disrespect of the Clintons, I have never been prouder to be Independent.
Blindly supporting the corrupt parties is insane.
Blindly trusting these parties after what they have done to our country is ignorant.
Ron @ 59:
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=39525
Ron @ 56:
I expect that. Most of the big Republican money will be flowing into the hands of the 527's, where there are fewer controls and they get triple the bang for the buck. It works this way. A few thousand dollars spent by a 527 on an outrageous, scandalous ad in one obscure media market gets played over and over and over again as "news" 24/7 by the MSM "reporting" about the outrageous, scandalous ad. That's how it works. Easy-peasy.
If this is the speech of Hillary's life, can we now please have her leave the stage? Please, when she goes, can she take Diane Feinstein, Geraldine Ferraro, and Harriet Christian with her? They then can go vote for the McCain/Lieberman '08 ticket.
FBush @ 69:
So you don't think he should try to establish relationships with the opposition? Regardless of the issues I have with these groups I think by speaking to them, they can be marginalized.
getalife @ 68:
Oh, I stopped trusting political parties back in 2000. You should always vote for candidates and not parties anyway.
With all that said, I assume you intend to vote for John McCain then because you feel that Hillary Clinton was disrespected and you're going to take your anger out on Obama, which will actually be at your own expense if you hate Bush and McCain is exact replica of him?
I apologize for sounding mean, but this was my biggest beef with Hillary over the last couple of months (including yesterday) that people, even on this board, attacked me about. I had no problem with Hillary staying in the race, I had EVERY problem with Hillary staying in the race but engaging Obama to see which one could attack John McCain better. So in Day 2 of a semi-united Democratic Party, we're talking about Hillary's feelings, 18 million voters, and the MSM instead of our impending doom under John McCain.
Go figure.
Rico @ 70:
Oh.....for sure it will just the kerry smear job......mccain will say he has no power over that........he is playing coy right now. they are going to be all over barack past voting illinios senate,rev wright/flaggor,michelle.......hannity is already setting the tone at nauseum
*but NOT engaging Obama
A.Citizen @ 62:
Wow, that was a pretty shitty thing to say...
karl @ 74:
True. I just don't know how it's ethical (or even legal) to report as "news" and replay on national cable, attack ads that may have run (i.e. been paid for) in one obscure market. Maybe I'm just dumb.
A.Citizen @ 58:
First: I didn't say anything about your Cheny comment... That's just you being defensive... I just infered that you sounded more like a McCain supporter... Your ccomments sounded like McCain talking points. My appoligies for miss lableing you.
Second: Attending YearlyKOS doesn't make you right... it only show how snobish you can be. I think you should stop Drinking so Liberally and follow your own (and Mr. Twain's) advice.
Don't be a hater just because your candidate (I'm assuming your a Hillary supporter) got her ass kicked.
Peace
Okay Bob whatever. Something to pass the time I guess.
Maybe you could cover one prominent neoconservative political analyst who said in case Democratic nominee-to-be Barack Obama becomes president, President George W. Bush would take matters into his own hands and declare war on Tehran.
"What I suspect will be the case is, should the Democratic nominee win in November, President Bush will do something. And should it be Mr. McCain that wins, he'll punt, and let McCain decide what to do".
Why isn't this kind of of stuff being brought to the attention of the public Bob?
Haven't we had enough puff, fluff, and filler?
Look for McShameless to start saying “A vote for me is a vote for Obama” right before the election.
Bud "Terrorist Fist Jab" Hussein @ 76:
No, it wasn't.
It was in response to someone who had NO CLUE where Obama appeared the day after winning the nomination.
The significance of the appearance made headlines on every news site across the country.
anybody still bitter about clintons loss (fbush, acitizen)...go chill out, maybe do a little meditating...
yeah, obama voted for cheneys energy bill, and clinton voted for bush's war.....
and clinton was a big nafta supporter back in the day,
if you tally up all the stupid/corrupt votes on each side, obama is the better candidate (objectively speaking)......
A.Citizen @ 44:
Progressive Punch? I don't care. If it isn't about getting fresh blood into the mix, and breaking out of this deranged Bush-Clinton cycle, I'm not even listening. Everything else is of secondary importance.
The Obama versus Hillary "Battle of the Titans" is over.
However the MSM is going to continue to "milk" this for the next week, tear jerking, heart string tugging, you light up my life type puff thats a waste of space, bandwidth, paper, spectrum.
Need to stay focused on BUSH and McBoosh 2.
Seven months is still a long time with Bush at the helm. One has to watch Bush out of one corner of the eye and McDuke with the other. Then there is everything else on top of that.
I was VERy impressed with her speech and am no fan of the Clintons but she sure changed my mind about her with it.
As for those who post the isolated Knuckle Dragger talking point that Obama is just a "talking suit of no substance." take a moment to go to his site, barakobama.com, and look at the tabs that cover EVERY issue in detail and download his "blueprint for change". I didn't start out as an Obama supporter but it was PRECISELY his detailed stand on the issues that swayed me. For heavens sake stop regurgitating Pills Limbaugh and read for yourself.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 41:
This is the reason that Obama will have to pick her for VP. Its not my choice but it may be the only way to really unite the party. There are a lot of people who are beside themselves with anger. At the very least Hill will have to come out often and forcefully endorse Obama over and over again and directly tell her supporters in no uncertain terms that they have to get behind Obama.
We will know in the next few weeks. I say three weeks. Maybe four.
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 80:
You mean he hasn't said it yet?
jimbo@66 states that Michigan and Florida did not really count. Funny how obama fans think. They also think along with Howard Dean and Donna B that there were just so many votes cast --- that obama and the democratic party really don't need the 18 million who voted for Sen. Clinton. Well this is certainly an upside-down year. When you start off by saying you don't need votes from your own party --- Is not that just asking the gods to smack ya??? Sooo arrogant and unctuous of these folk. In Norman, Oklahoma in late January Bill Clinton advised the thousands gathered to be proper and friendly with the obama supporters -- 'cause he said we are gonna need 'em or they are gonna need us. He spoke for almost an hour and did not bash obama or his fan club --- just Bush got the hammer. The press lies to us -- a lot. And I keep asking myself -- are all these Hillary bashers really democrats and obama believers??? I just don't know. But repubs do hire and place plants to cause shit -- but some of the Hillary haters I fear are the real thing. So for the likes of me and mine, I see obama as a generic politican who is unique for having a black father -- and whose speechs incite me as much as did Ronald Reagan's did --- not much. But hate him -- no. The obama fans however are a bit much; but the rub for me is the actions of the DNC. Taking away votes is not just and never will be. I will not reward their behavior with support. This is as clusterfucky as you can get. The biggest worry to the democrats I believe -- is that all those voters just don't give a shit and do little to win in the fall. a curse is on both our houses
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 85:
You know who unites the Democratic Party? George Bush. You know who has voted with George Bush 90% of the time over the last 7 years? John McCain.
If there are "angry" Hillary voters who will vote for more war, no universal healthcare, more wealth redistribution, more bad economy, more corporate influence over the government, and so on and so forth, then by all means vote for John McCain and cry the rest of the world a river later.
This is politics, one person won and one person lost. And the stakes are too high to be fluffing egos when all real people have real problems. The Clintons will be alright under any administration. I can't say that for myself.
pissed off patricia @ 86:
No, but they have pulled out the McCain Adviser Claims Obama Would Be Like A Third Bush Term card. Hahahahahahahaha
douglas in oklahoma @ 87:
Great, don't reward Obama because of your spite of the DNC and MSM. Reward yourself with four more years of the Bush administration by voting for McCain. Drill holes in the bottom of the boat to drain the water that came over the sides.
That will make you feel better correct?
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 85:
At her speech yesterday when she finally mentioned his name, there was only a smattering of boos. I think the media is making this "split party" a lot bigger deal than it really is. Sure her supporters are pissed right now, but they aren't stupid. They know, just like we do, that four more years of bush-like policy will totally fu*k up whatever is left to fu*k up in our country. They don't want that and I believe most Americans don't want it either.
Each party has it's candidate now so there isn't much for the media to yack about. So they create this story that the Democratic party is split. I think there are a few women grabbing their chance to be in the limelight and in front of a tv camera, but the rest of Hillary's supporters will put the good of our country before their own desires.
"Their only hope is to divide the Democratic Party and pray that we fail to unite behind our candidate in the fall. Let’s not fall for their trap."
- yeah, it would be foolish to fall for that after we've picked our nominee based on republican talking points - Hillary is a bitch, Hillary is a Republican, Hillary is corrupt, etc. - Never have I seen so many so called Democrats repeat Rush Limbaugh rhetoric as gospel before, and I hope I never do again.
I think it's funny that so many people are condemning Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama for essentially throwing the party under the bus, after the party just their candidate under the bus.
Tequila @ 63
You are so right. Hillary used every group of people she encountered. The queen felt entitled to be president. Her concern has never been for women, her concern is Hillary, and if women are dumb enough to buy my Kool Aide I Hillary will give it to them
Mister Anderson @ 89:
LINGERING FRUSTRATION? LINGERING FRUSTRATION....? Yes, call me unforgiving...I have lingering frustration over Hillary's votes to authorize and illegal invasion which has killed thousands and made us less safe.
even without her race-baiting and invocations of assassination. The notion that we're all supposed to forgive these things because she finally had no choice but to concede..(and less choice to do it in a "noble" tone because she needs Obama to help pay her debt.)
If Hillary represents the ideals of the Democratic party, then the Democratic party should be very worried.
call it my linger frustrations.....
living-abomination @ 93:
I'm not condemning Clinton supporters, you are condemning yourselves by hating Obama and the MSM more than you hate Bush/McCain. "Reagan Democrats" have done this since the late 60s which is why they still are "Reagan Democrats" instead of middle class Democrats or wealthy Republicans almost 40 years later.
Like I tell every other Hillary supporter who intends to protest by voting for McCain or not voting at all. If that will make you feel better, then please go ahead and do it. For every one of you who claim you won't vote for Obama, I'll personally find one new voter who believes in the values and policies that Obama intend to govern by and they'll counter your protest votes. And if I fail, and McCain does win, then by all means enjoy four more years of Bush. Just don't go on C&L and complain about it.
At the beginning, most of us were delighted that there were 3 or 4 Dems running who would be good presidents.
And then there were two (and we had fantasies of Hillobama or Obamillary).
Then we let the system work. It included a 24 h news cycle,
with 20 h campaign days (most on videotape) of folks with boundless energy and big egos, that went on for, gawd knows, seems like a year.
Of *course* gaffs and mistatements accumulated. How could they not?
Let's everyone chill, turn off the TV, cut back on the internet, and let things settle.
These are two honorable people that split the Democratic vote.
Let us, for once, deserve them.
For those of you Obama haters, lets look at the facts
Obama's campaign was the only campaign that didn't change it's message, during the primaries, to pacify different voting blocks. Everyone else keep moving the goal post every time he defeated them.
Obama's campaign was the only campaign that did not go broke and into debt during the primaries. Personally, I want someone that's knows how to work a budget in the White House.
Obama's campaign won the most delegates. I know some of you think that hillary should have won because her fans cheered louder, but that not how the game is played.
Obama's campaign defeated the most powerfull political machine in politics - the Clinton's.
It's time to get over it allready... We can keep infighting and let McCain win or we can come together and get Barack elected.
Your Choice!
pissed off patricia @ 92:
The take I got from the media was that they were impressed by how strongly Hill supported Obama. My point is it just MAY be BETTER if she ends up on the ticket and the next FEW weeks will tell.
WRG @ 98:
FACTS don't matter. Hillary Clinton has convinced herself and her supporters that somehow, the 18+ million Obama supporters are either sexist, anti-Clinton, or were tricked by the MSM to vote for Obama over Hillary. There's no possible way that he was actually a better candidate with better character who didn't vote for the Iraq War.
WRG @ 98:
And Obama's campaign did not got iteop the gutter to archive it's ends.
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 101:
Then vote for McCain and keep this nation in the gutter.
Mister Anderson @ 103:
Mister Anderson... read Bitters comment again - he was agreeing with us. He said (with typos) that Obama did not go into the gutter like some did to achive his goals.
Actually it was Hillary who got 18 million votes, Obama probably got more than that. She ran a traditional Democratic race, focusing on large states with large numbers of delegates, whereas Barack's tactic was closer to Howard Dean's 50 state approach, regardless of lower populations and delegate counts, but going for the aggregate.
WRG @ 104:
My bad Bitter.
OK, any disappointed HRC fans who are going to vote for McCain, please, please do one thing before you do, please watch this video . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
ysbaddaden @ 105:
He got way more. They're not counting any probable votes he got in Michigan even though the Clinton campaign acknowledge that Obama supporters voted "Undecided" to vote for him. And they're like counting any of his caucus victories which was like another million people at least.
test?
All those people people like 'FBush' and others are just McCain trolls trying to earn points and sow discord. Let them divide us? Not this time, people. We have our eyes on the prize.
Randy @ 29:
ditto. Said it better than me.
To any HRC supporter who is serious about voting for McCain, before you do please view the video on YoutTube, search for "How Do We Beat the Bitch" Extended Version" Somethng is making it impossible for me to post the link
Douglas in Oklahoma #87: since you are responding to jimbo's #66, perhaps you can address his particular problem -- Hillary Clinton's provable, undeniable, repeated, totally un-called-for lie about being under sniper fire in Tuzla.
And let me just point out one major difference between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters. (Yes, I know there are exceptions to every rule.) Obama supporters that don't like Hillary Clinton generally point to the things she and her paid staffers have said during the campaign. Hillary supporters that don't like Obama generally point to the comments of so-called "supporters" who post random stuff on the Internet, or they point to the media, or they point to the DNC leadership, or they point to Michigan/Florida, or they point to some other random thing that is almost always something other than Obama himself.
Argue "experience" all you want. Argue that Obama is an "empty suit." Argue that the right wing is going to rip him a new one with the Wright/Ayers BS. Argue that Hillary has a better chance to beat McCain. But get off whatever high horse you are on that makes you think that you should make political decisions based on the anonymous comments of random people on the Internet about the candidate you support.
If you are so concerned about how so-called Obama supporters are treating Hillary, perhaps you should spend more time listening to what McCain supporters say about Hillary. Perhaps you should listen to what McCain has actually said about Hillary. Perhaps you should listen to McCain make fun of Hillary's daughter back in 1992 and how her father must be Janet Reno.
If you are so concerned about how the media treats Hillary, perhaps you missed all the coverage of Obama's church, or of Edwards' haircut, or of Kerry's windsurfing, or of Gore's suits, or of Clinton's BJs, or of Carter being a pussy. The media is the media. There are a lot of dicks on TV and radio. If you think getting McCain elected is the best way to stick it to the media man, you are sadly mistaken.
There are many, many, many reasons that can be assigned to Clinton's loss, none of which have anything to do with her being a woman. To ignore all of the real-world, politics-as-usual reasons for her loss is to stick your fingers in your ears and sing la-la-la-la-la-la as loud as you can.
Clinton tried to be a "real man" in a man's world (let's nuke Iran!). She should have shown herself to be a powerful woman in a man's world.
But now we are where we are and there is no going back. Elect Obama. Defeat McCain. Get this country back on track.
Yes. We. Can.
All this proves is that a woman will never be president. If Hillary represents today's feminist then she's screwed it for women for a very long time. In the long run she has destroyed any advancment women have made in politics. It also showed how a woman would be taken down by sexism by not only her own party but with the media. It's so stupid to say to young girls that yes in Amercia you can do whatever you want. Stop lying to them.
Personally, I think Senator Clinton was the better candidate. I think she had a better chance of getting elected than Senator Obama. So what? Senator Obama is now the Democratic Presidential Candidate. Everyone now has two choices. Support him or support Sentator McCain. There is no middle ground.
Everyone who complains about Senator Obama and announces an intention not to vote (or worse) is really voting for 4 more years of the current administration. Everyone who keeps attacking Senator Clinton, notwithstanding that Senator Obama needs her assistance, is doing the GOP's work for them and is just as guilty as so-called liberals who will vote for Senator McCain.
I said it before and I'll say it again: fuck bob schieffer!
until he apologies for enabling boosh and his brother is off the boosh crime family payroll, I have no use for him. whatever the fuck he said today means nothing. I want no crumbs from him.
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 21:
Oh just STFU - Your reasoning is so yesterday and it was stupid then too. This was a contest, a very, very close contest and she had every right to be there as long as she wanted to be. Stop the Hate or join the party that perpetuates it.
I, for one, am not going to gloss over this primary as if it was just a game. Hillary continuously engaged in DISGUSTING political behavior. That goes for before the campaign too (see her war votes, corporate donations, etc). The whole feminist thing wasn't even an issue when the primary began, it only became one when she was losing so much that she needed a desperate excuse to stay in it and polarize people (like she always does). It's a real shame she has divided people so much. She could've been such a strong voice for women. I'm really disappointed in how people are trying to gloss over her behavior as if there were just "some mistakes made" or some "bumps in the road," what an understatement. That's like when Bush supporters try to gloss over the atrocious things Bush has done by just saying "mistakes were made." These weren't mistakes, these were deliberate smear campaigns of the most dishonest, Rovian kind. The fact that Hillary FINALLY, months after she should've graciously bowed out, gave a half-way decent speech that managed to not be completely self-absorbed for 10 seconds isn't something that is heaven-sent. We should identify these poison figures in the Democratic party and make sure we never forget the way they sold us out and manipulated us. Sorry if I'm harsh, but she has simply demonstrated herself to be a nasty person and it upsets me that people are trying to shove that under the rug.
Anyone still preoccupied with hating Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton should, with all due respect, get the f*** out of the way and take their cynicism and angst elsewhere. No one is asking you to marry Hillary Clinton and no one is asking you to marry Barack Obama. Instead, you're being asked to support the Democratic Party and its ideals so that the Republican Party can be defeated in November. If the Republican Party wins another general election, the U.S.--and possibly the world--is screwed. There are millions upon millions of Americans who are going to vote for Barack Obama in the Fall because they're mature, responsible adults as opposed to the self-absorbed, petulant, perpetually-cranky and ultimately unhappy children.
Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don't criticize what you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
For the times, they are a-changin'
amazing, the hate here.
STOP IT!
Meat @ 118:
AMEN!!!
Brettster @ 117:
I fully support Barack Obama and think that everyone ought to throw their support behind him, but your self-righteous fuming really is apalling. Firstly, you're in denial if you don't think the news media mistreated Hillary Clinton - especially early on into the race. People have been fixating on her campaign under a microscope for far too long and have lost perspective, I'm guessing, because though she blundered and on several occasions employed dishonourable tactics, she's far from the worst person to have ever walked the face of this planet and that's how some are acting. So while you're certainly entitled to your hateful characterization of the woman, there are many who think the truth is far more nuanced than 'Hillary is Bad and Obama is Good.' Furthermore, you can attempt to ostracize her and her supporters in order to spite your face, but I don't think twenty years from now, long after McCain was elected President, you'll say, 'It was worth it, holding a grudge against Clinton.' For the love of crap, no one is asking for you to love, like, respect, or vote for Hillary Clinton. But throwing her under the bus when she's trying to get Barack Obama elected? Are you really that hateful?
wow... it's gonna be a while, huh...
i thought about keeping score - the hillary whiners, hillary bashers, obama bashers - but gave up...
way to many, suffice it to say...
...
EarthAbides @ 38:
my biggest fear, and i think it's a real possibility... these spats are a great distraction, too...
...
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 86:
Meat @ 121:
Trying to get him elected? That is laughable. She has done all she can to sabotage his career and destroy his reputation. A couple token remarks after months of scorched earth warfare against him isn't going to wipe that all away. I didn't even say ANYTHING about Obama too, so don't act like I'm thinking in black and white that he's good and she's bad. I base my opinions off of evidence and reality. I haven't prejudged any of them. The facts are that she has waged a Karl Rove campaign, filled with deception and underhanded tactics, and his campaign has basically been positive and truthful the whole time (even when he was down at the beginning). He's far from perfect, but his leadership style is world's apart from hers.
This whole "Clinton is a victim" thing is what is appalling. The press mistreated her early on are you joking? The press insisted that she was going to absolutely dominate, that she was inevitable. The press has been paving the way for her to be President for a decade. Hillary is not a victim, she takes victims. She learned the worst lessons from those on the right who have tried to ruin her unfairly, and she applies them to her politics.
I'm not self-righteous or hateful in pointing out someone else's gross tactics. That's such a weird characterization. If you have distaste for someone who is negative and destructive, that makes YOU the hateful one? I'm not a political operative, I'm not going to bite my tongue for some political objective I have no influence on anyway. Hillary supporters are acting completely irrational to hate Obama. There's literally no reason in the world they should. To hate someone just because he beat her fair and square implies that she was entitled to the Presidency, a wholly authoritarian attitude. Hillary doesn't need anybody's pity. She's one of the most powerful women in the world. She's been in the White House already. She has sold out Democratic principles time and time again, and I don't see the point in pretending that that's not true. I am being rational. The people who are being irrational and refusing to vote for Obama even though he won COMPLETELY LEGITIMATELY and she tried everything she could to cheat her to victory or undermine his victory, those are the people that need to wake up and change. Not people like me. I would've voted for Hillary against McCain, even though I dreaded her Presidency.
Shortlist of countries that have had women chief executives long before HRC made her run for the roses:
Ireland
England
Israel
Argentina
India
Pakistan
Sweden
Germany
Sri Lanka
Chile
Finland
Liberia
Philippines
New Zealand
Moldavia
Mozambique
Iceland
Dominica
Norway
Malta
Nicaragua
Bangladesh
Canada
Guyana
Switzerland
Latvia
So, tell me again, Bob Schieffer, how has HRC "advanced the cause of women everywhere" by running an unsuccessful campaign for U.S. President during which time she articulated many of the standard hawkish, neo-liberal policies of her testosterone-impaired competitors and predecessors?
What the above lists suggests is that the United States remains one of the world's more politically benighted countries. Consider this: Two Muslim countries have had women leaders - Pakistan and Bangladesh.
If feminist HRC supporters want to get behind a progressive woman in this election, they need look no further than the Green Party's Cynthia McKinney. Of course, that would require opting out of our Tweedledum - Tweeldedee two party "system" and voting one's conscience. And we can't have that, can we?
So, vote for man who Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street have given their seal of approval. You know who he is. (HINT: He's not from Arizona.)
A.Citizen @ 46:
Well, I'm just talking about delegates and simple addition. Howard Dean may also be rewarded by idk, what ever happened in 2006. Perhaps you can show me your math?
Clinton fans... stop whining! Edwards was the legitimate candidate that got railroaded by the media.
Clinton fans.. stop the revisionist history. It was Clinton's race to lose... She clearly had a win big and win early strategy. And like a good Democrat... she snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. She fell hard. When Iowa (3rd place - not that the media mentioned the 2nd place finisher at all) and then Super Tuesday didn't finish as expected .. she showed her lack of planning.
Then she did the most class-less thing.. she didn't acknowledge Obama's victories week after week... she should have said, "I congratulate my opponent for his victory in..." Instead she belittled them as "small and trivial states and wins." Moving the goal posts.
Clinton fans... Tell me exactly how she is uniquely better than others? And you can't use words like "believe, trust, and know"...
She was a corporate interest lawyer, became a partner at the firm (conveniently) as Bill was Governor, sat on numerous boards and commissions as all good First Ladies do for 20 years (1st lady - AR, and 1st Lady - US), And a rather inconsequential Senator for 7 years (no eponymous bills - e.g. The Feingold-Clinton Bill). No major legislative successes (we will see with the Wounded Warrior Act).
As far as I can see, the only uniquely positive in her resume is a distinct interest in children's issues. (And I disagree with her "children are not minors unless they prove otherwise" thesis).
These are not personal attacks... it is her record.
You want change? By definition ANYONE can bring change.
You want experience? Then your candidate was Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, or McCain.
You want a women? You are sexist.
Of the final three... who had more Senate accomplishments? McCain
Is she smart? Sure... but uniquely better than others? No way. Stop whining!
What I see is the following:
Clinton has polarized the nominating process like none other I can think of in recent memory. My distant memory is of Kennedy, and I remember avidly following the insulting treatment on the floor of the Chicago convention to the anti-Johnson grassroots forces.
Clinton was poorly treated in the early days when she was the front runner by the media, but that's no excuse for pouring poison into the ears of your followers--stating that the Republican is someone you trust on foreign issues; or that the black man running against you for the nomination isn't a Muslim "as far as you know." Believe me, the latter will play very well on Republican ads in Appalachia this fall.
Clinton was not prepared to give up early this week. She plainly stated that as much. She only stopped her campaign after what we can easily surmise were twin pressures from her wealthiest backers and the higher-ups in the Democratic Party. So her concession speech was not sincerely motivated. Not, I add, that motivations amount to much in the world of politics. But it's worth remembering when people attempt to assess Clinton's state of mind on the basis of her words in what was a very fine speech. She had to do it. This speech itself can be praised, while a cool-headed evaluation of a person who suddenly switches gears to get help to retire her huge campaign debt is still possible.
Finally, judging from purely personal, unscientific observations of my own, there's a lot of distrust and anger that Clinton has stirred up against Obama, based on the remarks she made and ads she ran for a very long time--easily surpassing the elder Bush's "voodoo economics" comments against Uncle Ronnie in 1979. There is a national movement now for Clinton supporters who want to back McCain. Truthfully, it may be very small, and it may only grow with Republican money, but it's there. More seriously, I know a number of Clintonistas who have sworn to put her name on the ballot for president as a write-in, this fall. So she may have injured her party's chances at the 2008 presidency without any hope of recovery. This is naturally going to engender a fair amount of anger among people who embrace the nominating process but are repelled by candidates who go for the kill.
Personally, I'm not an Obama supporter, though I'll vote for him this fall. I would have even voted for Clinton, holding my nose all the time, both because of her slander of her Democratic primary opponent and her defense votes (which led me to wonder a few times whether she wasn't just a better looking, better sounding Joe Liebermann). But the points I wish to make are that it's possible to state dispassionately all the work Clinton's going to need to do to hopefully undo the damage she's caused to Obama; and it's possible to feel passionate about her based on her primary performance, without disliking anything she did before that time.
Good luck to obama (he will need it)!
Balakirev @ 127:
You are lying . . . .you are an obama supporter and are trying to continue to tear down Hillary when you should be focused on the unfair media. Shame on you!
thoughts... @ 126:
Obama is not the best choice for America; the truth will out.
1st Republic 14th Star @ 3:
Sorry. She only did what she did because she got nowhere kicking and screaming. The damage was done by her and her alone. As far as it being the "speech of her life", please spare me. She tried everything including the kitchen sink. One doesn't ignore all that just because the end result was delayed and then OK. Besides she still kept her delegares and only suspended her campaign, after all that just in case, what? He was assa....I can't even say that anymore.
Many of her supprters who are angry and say they will vote for McCain are from the neo-con Let's-Bomb-Iran crowd. They will not vote for Obama because he has said he would not do anything UNLESS IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE US. The Iraq invasion was NOT in our best interest and neither is bombing Iran. And they don't like that because they have contributed enormous amounts of money to buy their next candidate, and it hasn't worked. They don't want to negotiate with Iran because Bush is leaving soon and time is running short.
kerplunk @ 71:
Damn straight.
HOORAY Hillary!!!!!
And what the Democrats need to thank you for.... and OBAMA needs to thank you for.... is showing THAT DEMS CAN FIGHT...
for all of the crybaby, get out of the race, bullshit....... it sounded like the GOP media when they told GORE... "go home you lost"
We can only HOPE that OBAMA has grown a set of balls to compare with those shown by Hillary
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 34:
FBush @ 57:
Obama has already made it clear he is against lobbyists for the DNC. That sends a signal that he is not prepared to be bought for any sum. He doesn't need to take on the PNAC crowd specifically, but make their megalomaniacal plans impossible to carry out. I would love to see them manacled, but seeing Feith behind bars and charged with warcrimes is a stretch. But he CAN and should be regarded as persona non grata, and IRRELEVANT, as should every other one of the PNAC criminals. Ignore the traitorous scum.
We have watched many men show total disrespect for Hillary for over a year. Bob is right as he respects his wife, daughters and granddaughters. Hillary did win and made history. Hillary not only got more votes then any candidate in this race including Obama but he also got more votes then any candidate ever running for President. Now as for the results. The DNC decided the race not the voters. The Super Delegates were those who put Obama in and kicked Hillary out.. Many Americans and Law Makers hate Bill Clinton and there by hate Hillary. But when the USA hits rock bottom and the White House does nothing for the American people in time of an emergency Bill Clinton is called to clean up the mess. I know the people of Katrina that got help from Bill Clinton are grateful. As we all called in horror the Blacks begging for help I did notice Senator Obama was a no show, but he did ask the victims for their vote as Mrs. Obama said because a black should vote for a black. Smart move on Senator Obama's part to use race on the African American. Dr. King fought for the rights for Blacks but never asked for a vote or anything in return, I guess that's the difference in he and Obama. When President Clinton open up equality to minorities who got to share in the American dream they called him the first Black President. But along comes Obama who's done nothing for blacks and as we saw African Americans turned their back on Bill Clinton. Life always teaches us lessons some people are only takers and quickly forget those who gave. I wouldn't be surprised when Obama lets African Americans know he's really not going to change their lives for the better but he will change his own. I just hope Obama doesn't give out anymore lies about his Father and Kennedy or how poor he was while attending a private expensive school while living the American dream in Hawaii.
ThePragmatist @ 131:
Truth is.. our system discourages the best choice for America to even run. So, it's about the best choice from those who are willing. History has shown some of our greatest leaders were unexpected leaders. As were some of our worst...
I believe that America has been wandering aimlessly in the world since the mid-60's. We are screaming for a leader. A leader both has the ability to move people AND move them in a righteous direction.
Call Obama what you want... but you cannot deny that he moves people. In the right direction? We will see.
I am comforted that he has thus far run a high-minded campaign. He has generally stayed away from attacking people but rather policy. No "McCain is crazy because of his POW years"... He generally stepped up and dealt with advisors who were inconsistent with his message (compare his actions with Wright vs. Clinton's with Ferraro - Clinton released the typical "that was unfortunate" comment but didn't address the issue of race). Obama could have been politically-expedient, distanced himself and be rid of his Wright problem. He chose to make it an American problem. One we continue to struggle with. What other candidate would have done that?
We need an adult in office. We have not had one in a long time (Carter was but didn't have the charisma needed). Obama has the chance to be both charismatic and an adult! Obama has a chance to be the world leader.. placing America back as the pinnacle of righteousness after 8 years of disaster.
We will see.
mystic @ 136:
This is what we're talking about.
Your earnestness is to be commended.
But to state that Obama will attemt to marginalize that wing of our government is just too delusional.
Sorry to break it to you...he's going to get played just like every other politician in DC.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 51:
Golly. A new powatician with GREAT ideas. We don't know what they are yet, be we're sure they're just super!
Let's all bring HOPE back and EXCITE everybody. Hope springs eternal. Hope, prayer and charity.
And remember, a stitch in time saves nine. And especially, don't put a fork in the toaster. Good advice. Keep your eye on the ball. Change is in the eye of the beholder. Let's believe in the change that is in every pot just around the corner.
getalife @ 68:
The first half was, "Well, he's better than Clinton".
Now it will be, "Well, he's better than McCain".
Who the hell is he?
Jackie @ 137:
First sentence was correct. The rest was delusional. And THIS is exactly why Clinton lost my vote. She planted in people's head this idea that she won the popular vote! She didn't!
It is up there with the Repubs who say "Democrat Party" or "Barrack Husein Obama" .. She knows its false, and to get there you have to use a dicredited and tortured methodology... that is parsing words. Why couldn't she just HONESTLY say, "Higher than nearly every primary candidate in history!" and move on ...why knowingly parse words?
The rest just pure blather:
1. The super-delegates didn't decide anything; HRC agreed to the rules (incl. throwing out FL and MI) and then switched to a "every vote should count" position;
2. W. screwed up Katrina so much, he was forced to bring back the Clinton/PapaBush "Disaster Team" - actually, BO introduced the bipartisan Coburn-Obama bill to oversee the govt's Katrina corruption plus at least 5 other bills to deal with Katrina (rom schools, hospital, to low-income priority) True - the media created some story about he turned his back. The facts do not support this storyline. He was there in Houston w/ Bill and Papa Bush, he introduced 2 pieces of legislation within 6 days, co-sponsored another few, and introduced another within a week ... all before W. admits the govt failed NOLA.
Ah, screw it.. the blather is all opining bubbles and sans facts.
Jackie @ 137:
This is the type of BS that makes me sick. Hillary is not your Jesus and Bill is dam sure not God. Black people didn't turn their backs on "The Clintons". Black people want change just like everybody else. I still love Hillary. But I hate the garbage her supporters are saying with all my heart. But enough about them. Barack Obama was not rich he could have made a lot of money working in the private sector. But he didn't..... he chose to work helping poor people. But oh yeah I forgot he's an elitist. Obama is not Dr. King. There will be only one of him. But dam it this country is hurting and hurting bad. The old ways aren't good enough anymore. So I'm pushing for Barack.
And for you Hillary supporters who say you’re going to vote McCain. I pity you the most. The fire is coming and you opting for gasoline instead of water. You crazy S.O.Bs will definitely be in my prayers.
For the rest who want unity in the party. Lets get to that mountain top together.
ThePragmatist @ 130:
ThePragmatist @ 130:
You really should stop taking those drugs. I'm sure your doctor told you this, and I have that to say, it's for your own good.
My first choice was Edwards. My second was Dodd. I find both Obama and Clinton too much a matter of appeasing the Repubs, so, no, I don't think my post above was because I was an Obama supporter. ;) Unless, in your universe, I am.
Two things: One, I trust the Clintons about as far as I can throw the planet. The speech was wonderful, but the followup will dictate a lot about the tone of the election.
Two, I am anxious to see the "bounce" Obama gets. I am getting nervous about the fact that McCain campaigning like a lobotomized clown is in a dead heat, and the electoral map is very very close.
There is no room for errors, or treachery.
Jackie@137
The SCOTUS ruled this year that a woman supervisor who found out that she had been paid less for 20 years than the men who held the same job, had no recourse for remedy. Seems she needed to file a complaint within six months of the offense first occurring, even though she didn't find out until now. Do you think McCain as president will increase or decrease that type of ruling with the one to three appointments he will have?
Jackie @ 137:
You must be insane. Obama won by every measure possible. The only way you can contort the math in your favor is if you count the illegitimate Florida and Michigan primaries and discount every caucus. He wasn't even on the Michigan ballot, and in both states voters were told to stay home b/c their votes wouldn't count. AND Hillary signed the agreement to discount them (that was, before they were her only shot to cheat her way to a win). To count those primaries as they stood is the most blatantly unfair, dishonest, undemocratic attitude ever. What do you tell the voters who were merely informed and stayed home? They got disenfranchised! The campaigns didn't even go through the states, it was 100% name recognition.
Not only that, by discounting caucuses you're just embarrassing yourself. You're saying that all the caucus states are illegitimate and only the Hillary voting states matter, even when they're illegitimate.
This is the most spun-up argument ever. Hillary lost by every count, fair and square. It could not be a more straight-up loss. To add to that, her and her supporters (and I'm presuming you) were rooting for the superdelegates to go against the voters, reneg on THEIR agreement and basically crown Hillary over Barack even though he won. How would that be more fair? I'm just stunned, simply stunned by how batshit these Clintonians are. I didn't think the Democratic party had these kinds of nutjobs in the base, the way the republicans do. Guess I was wrong.
Intel @ 141:
Here's a suggestion for you and BangkokBob and the other cliche' quoters: check out Obama's website. Listen to Obama's speeches; read Obama's books. He's talked more about who he and what he wants to do than any president we've had since Teddy Roosevelt. The man can't shut up about what he feels and thinks and what he wants to do for this country. The man has 34 items on Amazon.com, including a cookbook and an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, co-authored with his esteemed colleague, Senator Hilary Clinton.
What is wrong with you people who claim you don't know Obama? Have you plucked out your eyes and stuck spikes in your ears like some flagellent monk trying to purge himself of the sin of learning about the man? Join our real world political discourse and Barack Obama is unavoidable. You can't help learning about him. Then learn about McCain, if you can get past his wall of talking points, his screen of polite lies about his past, and his bodyguard of boot-licking media buddies.
You've still got five months to do your homework, so you have no reason to vote in November in a state of ignorance.
Poor Chelsea. Hillary will be forcing her into congress next week.
Bob Schieffer Commentary: “Hillary Clinton Gave The Speech Of Her Life Yesterday”
I watch Bob Schieffer on Face The Nation every week. I'm pretty sure that is the first vaguely complimenary or somewhat positive comment he's made about Hillary Clinton in the last 17 months. Maybe ever.
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