June 08, 2008 03:00 PM
And The Economy Would Be Great...If It Wasn't For Those Meddling Kids!
The Labor Department reported today that the unemployment rate rose from 5.0 percent to 5.5 percent in May, the largest monthly spike in more than two decades. Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao's explanation?
"Today's increase in the unemployment rate reflects the fact that unusually large numbers of students and graduates are entering the labor market."
That's right. It's because we procreated so much that we have such a high unemployment rate. Don't think about the jobs outsourced out of the country, the massive layoffs and the near extinction of a manufacturing base here in the U.S. It's because there's so many kids looking for a job.
Those assholes!! They want jobs?? how terribly un-Amrican. I bet they are terrorists. All they probably do is sit around and fist jab.
There you go kids, this is the legacy your parents are leaving for you. Now go figure out a way to help them retire!!
And this is the first summer ever that grads and college kids have looked for jobs?
She, like all the rest in this administration, is full of fecal matter.
Maybe if there were more good jobs available these pesky kids could find one. Problem is that their dads and moms have had to take the jobs that kids usually get, in order to put that kid through college.
How long before Elaine Chao's 'Tell All' book comes out explaining why she says these things ??
ahhh, the standard market fundamentalist skirting of the issue
instead of actually taking repsonsibility for the devastation they created, the "free" market thugs continue to spin things, and now we have gotten to absolutely ridiculous excuses.
Well, hell, it's aobviously the fault of lazy military recruiters.
After all, Bush made it easy on them, part of No Child Left Beind requires all schools to give all personal information on all students to military recruiters OR THE SCHOOLS LOSE THEIR FEDERAL FUNDING.
So, if all these kids would just do their duty and join the military, we could not only have enough troops for at least another generation of never-ending warfare, but those great careers at McDonalds and WalMart would be wide open for mom and dad. See?
Companies continue to pare down workforces to show a profit without ever looking at trimming management and executive pay as a possibility.
The rich get richer. The poor lose their jobs.
More at http://www.cannibalplanet.com/
Did Ms Chao take into consideration all the pople who DIED while looking for jobs and who are 'no longer looking' ?
To hell wit college kids......Damm librals.....yeeeeeeehaaawwwww
Ahhhh I see. Unemployment is only looking bad because of all those people who don't have a job.
Thanks for the clarification, Elaine.
Uhm, don't they have to get fired from a full time permanent position, before they can seek unemployment, and get counted in the unemployment statistics?
And, does understanding this, make me overqualified for her job?
The economy is actually growing overall, but management and execs continue to rape their companies and pare down the workforce rather than making intelligent decisions like limiting execs pay outs and re-structuring based on performance and sustainability, not short term profits.
Loonie @ 10:
Priceless.
Chico Hussein Escuela @ 8:
Or the ones they don't count because they no longer qualify for UEI benefits?
Hell no. They never do. Not either side.
Right baby, well just remember there is no voting in a Revolution.
Her husband is Mitch McConnell.
i used to call myself "intheoffice" thats until i was laid off.... :(
Wasn't she the one who said something last year about the reason American workers can't find work is because we don't bathe enough and we stink? Wow, this lady's a real peace of work. Heck-of-a-job W.....grrrrrrrrrrrr. Can we say cronyism boys and girls?
CannibalPlanet @ 12:
Overall, the government is making up an increasing portion of the economy.
The economy will continue to grow as the government borrows more $billions to ship overseas to pay for wars that are seeing continually increasing costs.
If you want to benefit from this growing economy, you might need to become a Kuwaiti Prince, and get a no bid contract to support the effort in Iraq. Then you can import Pakistanis under false pretenses and use them as slave labor to keep your costs down, as you provide crappy services to the US Military.
So when do we start tracking numbers of people who are either underemployed or have dropped out of the job market because they can't find anything or have given up?
Much like the inflation rate, the government has an incentive to under-report the true reality of unemployment.
In the case of inflation, or, the increase in the supply of money and credit brought about by the Fed, there is a strong incentive for the government to report figures that are lower than the truth. Specifically, in the last 15 years or so, there have been statistical changes made to the model that calculates the CPI, or the consumer price index. Such changes are the introduction of hedonic regressions, substitution, and omitting energy and food. These changes (surprise surprise), have LOWERED the rate of reported inflation compared to what it would have been had the changes not been made to the way they calculate it. Remember the 1970's when inflation was in double digits? Well, if the government used the same method for calculating inflation today as they did in the 1970's, then inflation would be running at around 10%, not 4% as they are reporting today. Heck, from the government's point of view, the lower the inflation they report, the smaller social security payments will be, because social security payments are tied to the change in the CPI. See how bad things are getting?
Now with unemployment, the case is even stronger. The government has ALSO changed the way they calculate unemployment, and no matter how much it may come as a shock to most liberals, even the government can lie about economic figures! Similar to inflation, if the government used the same method to calculate the unemployment rate as they did just a decade ago, then the unemployment rate would be around 12%, not 5.5% as they report now.
If all this is just too annoying or drab, always remember what Mark Twain said:
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies...and Statistics"
I hate to tell people here this, considering how pro-government everyone is, but the more you QUESTION the government IN TOTALITY, not just Bush or Cheney, the better off we will all be, because we will all be more aware of the truth.
Well, that question's been answered to my complete satisfaction! On to the next pressing problem.
Dave @ 20:
When your unemployment benefits run out you no longer count.
However, over 90% of high schools end their year in June. The employment report she is talking about the data ended May 28th.
LoL, so every summer the unemployment rate rises by .5 percent? Is there any historical data that proves this so-called fact?
TruePatriot @21,
Yeah, you nailed me. That's my problem....I'm too damned pro-government. I've been outed.
Snark.
The Bush Administration worked really hard to outsource all of those jobs so the only jobs left to take are in the military where you can fight defending "America's Interests" (which is a euphemism for "America's Big Business Interests" or "Friends and Cronies of the Bush Administration's War Profiteers") for your country.
A little off-topic but I want the message out there loud & clear:
There's Scott McClellan's book, Vincent Bugliosi's book, Richard Clarke's book; at what point do we wake up and do something about the criminals in the Administration?
Impeach them, Impeach them NOW! What's that you say? No time to do that now? YES there is!!!! Even if we don't impeach, we can censure and possibly even imprison! We should do this so that the next president that gets it in his head to improperly go to war, not plan adequately for that war, short change our brave men and women, destroy life, shred the constitution, etc. will think twice about it!
Hey, Bush, Cheney,
how's that search for Osama bin Laden working out?
How come there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we got there?
How come the end of the world is located at the Afghanistan/Pakistan border?
How come al Qaeda is resurging?
How come the "surge" which was supposed to reduce violence so the Iraqis could reconcile and come together as a nation isn't working?
How come our economy is such a mess? I thought war was good for the economy.
How come you lied about everything?
Why don't you step down and take your administration with you?
Cut & Paste to everyone you know!
We Can't Make It Here Anymore - by James Mcmurtry
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
“Today’s increase in the unemployment rate reflects the fact that unusually large numbers of students and graduates are entering the labor market.”
-Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao.
Elaine, FUCK YOU!
Mitch McConnell is her beard.
Anyway, as for what she said, why would this administration stop lying now? If you're going to lie for 7 years, you may as well lie for 8.
"That’s right. It’s because we procreated so much that we have such a high unemployment rate. Don’t think about the jobs outsourced out of the country, the massive layoffs and the near extinction of a manufacturing base here in the U.S."
Don't think about China and India both putting out 3 college graduates to every 1 of ours. Don't think about Ireland making a college education basically free. Don't think about retraining people who lose their jobs to out sourcing!
The problem is that old jobs are leaving. Don't think about not having enough education to fill new jobs.
I'm so glad I took out this crippling student loan to help me get a better job!
“Today’s increase in the unemployment rate reflects the fact that unusually large numbers of students and graduates are entering the labor market.”
Her explanation doesn't even make sense, even by conventional wisdom standards. Unemployed would typically spike down due to a large number of high school/college kids taking summer McJobs.
Guess Ms. Chao's party better start lightening up on those abortion restrictions.
I really do wonder how republicans for the past 30 years have gotten away with blaming every economic problem on workers, but never on CEOs or managers
Has this broad ever owned or run her own business or enterprise?
Unlikely
harley @ 17:
Which means that they both get full medical coverage FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES as well as lifetime pensions.
They could both be unemployed and still be better off than 99.9% of the rest of us.
But that's cause they're hard-working and deserving and we're lazy and undeserving, see?
"We have national health care, it's called Emergency Rooms" George W. Bush
Whats even more pathetic is we pay her salary.
whatever elaine...... we have another knock against the bush administration and were going to use it
Since when do they count students as unemployed when they leave school. The only way I can account for this is if a lot of students had jobs at school, but now that their home for the summer, they left that cafeteria or RA job. But the way she talks, you would think kids graduate from high school and declare themselves unemployed.
Push on the revolving door of this argument long enough, and who do you think is responsible for our young people not being able to get jobs? That's right, it's those durned illegal aliens.
On the other hand, doesn't unemployment only count those who've HAD jobs? How would young new job seekers increase unemployment numbers, since they can't file for unemployment till they've had a job?
More people means there should be more demand for goods, and thus more jobs. Population growth is the last thing you can blame unemployment on. Secretary of Labor? Are you kidding me?
This 'Labor' Secretary denies that people even have a right to organize in Unions.
That is what you get with the RepublicHUNS.
Repeal the 'Right to Work' CHEAPLY provisions of Taft Hartley and watch the Red States turn Blue.
I was "let go" 2 weeks ago because I couldn't do the work of five people, and believe me, I tried. I NEEDED that job! The boss, an attorney, took on a Government contract that required about 10 people, but he tried to make do with 2. When he saw how much outlay there was going to be, he resigned the appointment, despite the potential of thousands of $$$.
Albatross @ 40:
Logic is NOT the RepublicHUNS strong suit.
The reich-wingers have been screeching for a week that it's due to the minimum wage increase (that hasn't taken effect yet).
Yeah, let's blame the young people, The cry of the Baby-boomer nation! Selfish jerks.
Alice Hussein Chomsky Nader @ 44:
Neither is TRUTHFULNESS.
Is she serious? So now the Republic halfwits are pissed that kids are working? What's next, supporting a woman's right to choose?
Alice Hussein Chomsky Nader @ 47:
Irony is lost on them too.
Matters not what department they are appointed to, Bush appointees always seem to rise to their complete incompetence level.
They must all shop at the same universally stupid store for their brains.
it's nonsense jobs that kids take in the summer aren't there why there not busy....gas approaching 5 bucks a gallon.......the dept stores are empty unless they have a big sale which many will
My college-attending daughter got a crappy job because she realized I was having a hard time paying her tuition myself and savings are running dry. I wish she didn't have to work and go to school full-time, but that's the reality of our situation. I provide a service (pet sitting and dog-walking) that is a luxury for most people, and when they're cutting expenses in a slow economy my business slows down too. I found a retail job to supplement my income, but that store closed after three months. The ripples are widening in my little world, that's for sure...
While slightly long term, the solution is obvious.
One kid per household.
Seems to have worked out well for the Chinese. What's good for one totalitarian regime should be good for another.
Mike the Riverine @ 50:
And I always thought the "Peter Principle" only applied to democrats.
We better start having more children. We are going to need lots and lots of them to go abroad and kill all those bad guys out there.
That way, our remaining children will be much safer.
pissed off patricia @ 3:
For sure POP. She couldn't last one week at the firm I work for with her laughable limp dick excuses.
Suddenly it is students faults that there are no jobs? Doesn't it just mean that there are no jobs? Oh I forgot, it is never the fault of the Bush Regime, blame everyone else..... What is going to happen when people start losing their jobs because they can't afford the gas?
QUESTION: 5.5% is the number of people looking for work.....the people who have filed for unemployment..........So how can college students claim unemployment when they haven't been part of the workforce yet???
My son just graduated..........his summer job doesn't qualify HIM....so how are the college students part of the UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES????.
harley @ 17:
Well, that pretty much explains everything. Stupid by injection.
Weaseldog @ 12:
You aced it! A never-employed student is not ranked or numbered among the unemployed. So, what this tool of Corporate Fascism says seems to be somewhat inaccurate.
Question:
DID those kids get laid off of their college jobs at graduation and file unemployment claims?
If they continue to work at their college job pre-post graduation then they would NOT be included in the unemployment stats.
Unemployment numbers are calculated on the number of new filings AND those who are collecting benefits. This report is magic numbers and do not reflect the true rate of employment in the US. The report should calculate using the number of American's who can work vs those who are working and rate those jobs as employed or underemployed.
One of my newly graduated college kids is still working at her college job (did move up in management) and the other worked at her college job for a year afterwards until she found a job in her field. NEITHER filed unemployment but would be considered underemployed.
#22 True Patriot comment:
Absolutely. Many of those revisions were signed by Bill Clinton. Our government has been cooking the books for decades.
If true, we should be able to see a statistical .5 decrease every fall when those damn kids go back to school, right?
And when that happens this fall Dumbya (with McSame at his hip) will say to the world, "see what a good job I'm doing. I've been able to drop the employment rate by half a point because, bla, bla, bla..."
And if it doesn't, wwhhyyyyy, what will they say then?
Suurrrreeee
The rate jumps half a percentage point because of this?
That is one HELL of a lot of kids, right Mrs. McConnell?
Another professional liar let loose on the public. What scares me is the number of people believe this bullshit directed from the WH.
juanchopancho @ 62:
i think most us know that....remember who represented the house majority during clinton years
We pay these people the 'big bucks' so they can come up with bullshit like this? Wait until we have to send all our kids to work so they can help with the family bills, because one or two parents working 2 full time jobs isn't cutting it anymore.
It is unusually large because ....... (drumroll)......... there were no fucking jobs for the kids to land before they graduated! Isn't Chou Mitch McConnell's beard?
Why, there are plenty of jobs out there.
The military industrial complex has plenty of jobs available.
You could work for a weapons manufacturer or be one of their killers.
The Iran conflict is coming soon, and the 7% of America that wants that
will rise to70% as soon as the corporate owned MSM sells it.
Then there should be plenty of jobs. War is good for business isn't it ?
In the link provided, the New York Times has a good photo of the students that are looking for work...
Weaseldog @ 70:
Lol.
Dr. (terrorist fist jab) Matt @ 45:
Actually it has taken effect but only by a few dimes . There's already been an increase to $5.85. Next one is this July to $6.55 and next one $7.25 in 2009-07-24.
Much of these increases will be wiped out by inflation anyway.
A lot of college students used to get summer jobs in restaurants and entertainment venues but with the economy the way it is the customers aren't frequenting those places as they have in years before. Due to gas prices and airline prices a lot of vacations are being pared back this year.
I've been a college graduate for five years now, and I still haven't found a long-term job, Elaine. Why am I only mentioned now, when it's convenient?
The number is specifically "new jobless claims"
This would mean that these students would have had to be in the full time job force long enough to qualify for unemployment when fired, and then they were fired.
When did this years seniors graduate again? A couple of weeks ago?
Kentucky Senator Mitch "Bitch" McConnell's wife.
'nuff said!
Those kids should join the military! If they don't they should be brought up on charges of lacking patriotic faith!!!
OOH Great idea: Require all citizens to join the army like in Israel! A few years in the trenches will help people understand Cheney's motivations.
displaced @ 77:
I watched chao yesterday...no question that she got her job cuz she is great at giving happy endings, cuz she sure as shit aint good at spewing talking points...not one person on msnbc was buying her bs
and thats right...this post was both racist and mysoginistic...and i dont give a shit anymore
Well, she's lying. The 5.5% rate is seasonally adjusted, so it takes into account May grads.
displaced @ 77:
no...but i like obama's idea...which hearkens back to the peace corp
the government will cover education for years of service...
so this covers the probs with volunteerism and student loans
could also open the door to new activism
obama is basing this plan on his own life...instead of going to wall street, he became a community organizer...along with the new gi bill, this could very well reinvigorate the country
and i know one thing...he wont be hiring any happy time ladies to run the dept of labor
On chickens and eggs...
Question:
Do you suppose liars are drawn to the republican party, or do people become liars after they've become republicans?
Hey! So it's all good! Nothing to see here ... keep moving along ...
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pissed off patricia @ 73:
uh, students aint getting summer jobs in cali
thanks to illegal immigration, employers find it much more beneficial to hire illegals at below the min wage
take a walk down to venice beach or any of the other venues that used to be filled with college kids...they aint there
and its bush and chao's policies that have led to this
has this woman really worked the past 7 years??
pissed off patricia @4,
Actually, my fear as one who has now lost two manufacturing jobs to "off-shoring" is that I will be competing with my 17 year old just to make ends meet. College? Hell, who can afford college?
Peace,
Chad (The Left) Shue
ok, let me hit this straight...
another boosh cabinet member speaks....
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chad (The Left) Shue @ 84:
Don't know what happened to #86 ? Didn't mean to change what Chad had said.
Dr. (terrorist fist jab) Matt @ 45:
It is re-entrants to the labor force, but it's not all kids. It's people who've been out of the labor force with rusty skills or none at all, trying one last thing before the family goes bankrupt or gives back the car and the house. It's not going to work.
She's republican and works for George W. Bush. Can I take her word? Hell no! Continues to wait for Bush to get the hell out of office. Republicans are certainly leaving a great legacy of ignorance, destroying this country and blaming people for their problems they have caused and allowed to happen to this nation. John McPuppet will go much further with Bush's failed America plans and might appease George W. Bush with allowing Jeb Bush to be McPuppet's running mate.
CannibalPlanet @ 13:
totally false. the economy is not growing. some numbers are growing, like exec salaries, but not the economy.
How long do the money changers in the ivory towers think we're going to put up with this.
karl @ 66:
And what about today?
juanchopancho @ 62:
Oh but if Bill Clinton signed it into law, it MUST have been for the good of the economy and not to hide anything...nooooooooo.
Missy Chao is the very same little fortune cookie that was run out of her CEO position with The United Way...for(?)...you guessed it "Inappropriate and personal misuse of funds".
Oh Du'ah
Are Republicans advocating forced abortions now?!
This is such a crock.
""On the other hand, doesn’t unemployment only count those who’ve HAD jobs? How would young new job seekers increase unemployment numbers, since they can’t file for unemployment till they’ve had a job?"
To be sure, her reasoning is very misleading. The truth is that a flood of new college grads just hit the streets looking for employment. Business owners are looking to cust employee costs anywhere they can.
With the flood of new potential employees, comes a flood of new tallent fresh out of school with new ways of thinking, and no idea how much work is too much work for the salary gained. Meanwhile, employees who have been around for 5-10 years know exactly how much work they are willing to do for a price, and are likely earning 50% more than the new employee fresh out of college would make as new hires.
So employers lay off a number of tenured employees who were making 50% more money than a new person would make. Those who are laid off DO go onto unemployment. The company then turns around and hires new, lower salary college grads to replace them with, and works them twice as hard as the folks who just got laid off. The result for the company is a 33% reduction in employee costs, and a 2x growth in productivity from the folks who were just hired on.
The secondary benefit for those businesses is that the unspoken message gets to the mid-level employees that either they start working harder, or they too will be laid off, and replaced by cheaper employees who will work twice as hard.
The result is a ton of newly unemployed folks added to the unemployment lines and the unemployment figures, all as a result of an influx of new college grads hitting the job market.
She's not lying, she just sucks at explaining it.
CannibalPlanet @ 8:
Eventually, all of these top-heavy companies are going to tumble over. Then watch the economy crash. Can you say "Depression"? I thought you could.
Actually a big reason kids can't find summer jobs is because the adults, no longer counted as unemployed, are getting the jobs at places like McPtomaine.
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Appeasement Bullshit @ 91:
Uhm, the economy is increasingly becoming the measure of electronic money, sloshing back and forth between computer accounts.
The more money that is borrowed and wasted to keep the war and the banks vomiting losses, the better the economic numbers become.
It's just that the economy no longer has as much to do with people and jobs. We are owned by a corporation nation now.
FastMovingCloud @ 98:
And the Depression will be even deeper than the average republican's ass indention in the sofa cushions.
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Quick, send some more of those slackers to Iraq!
Mike the Riverine @ 59:
Word around the watercooler is that he's not into giving her injections.
Damn lady how come your such a moran?
Heckuva job, Elaine! Fucking clueless lackey.
Dr. Acula @ 88:
Bimbo!
cronyism runs rampant throughout this regime and for the most part the ones in positions of authority haven't a clue ( there are exceptions- saw the piece on dust explosions last nite on 60 minutes the head of osha was a asswhat but the agency that really looked into the problem now she really knew her stuff and even came out to say that this regime is so pro business that they're letting people be killed so as not to put any more regs on business)
The first thing that the new administration should do is stop corporate welfare and reshape the tax code. corporate tax breaks do not help in making business competitive in a global market it just lines the pockets of those at the top
CannibalPlanet @ 13:
Try to convince Americans of that who are struggling to put food on the table and gas in their tanks, canceling trips for summer vacation, and are racking up huge credit car debit for every day expenses.
Juju08 @ 97:
That theory occurred to me.
The only problem with it, is that the new hires would be new jobs. You'd add those back.
So the total jobs lost would be zero, not the reported 49,000.
The funny part about that lie is that you need to have been IN the job market before you can claim unemployment. Ya, how odd that a bunch of people who are considered students by the labor department could influence the numbers in a statistic that is one month behind. The numbers for May are really the numbers of April. Not sure how those graduates who were still in college could have fucked that up so badly.
I'm sure Johnny McSucksbushcock will have a very long rambling incoherent answer to that question.
Now what? Sounds like she just fell off the turnip truck! What a bitch!
C&L could spend a week on this woman. I'm amazed her name hasn't come up before. I saw her turn a die-hard bushie underling into, not a liberal, but an administration-hater.
Anything that's come out of Labor in the last few years literally has her name on it. Often larger than the crest of the department.
They will NEVER run out of shit excuses. Bullshit. Everyone knows, except this dumb bitch, that we have lost our industrial jobs to cheap labor overseas; and the fact that the school kids are hitting the pavement is a piss poor excuse.
It's all they have. They have no plans. They have no actions, and they certainly have NO SUBSTANCE to truth in anything these asshats say.
This woman "is doing a heck of a job brownie"....
Hurry up January 20, 2009. We can't wait any longer!!!!
Wait Wait I know Obama after he imposes a windfall profits tax on the oil companies he can give the college kids jobs counting the money..."CHANGE WE CAN COUNT ON" get it get it ...COUNT ON!!
And how about that Obama ..WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH HIM HE IS GOING TO KEEP THE MILITARY OPTION ON THETABLE REGARDING IRAN......Who does he think he is HILLARY CLINTON!???
Ealier in the campaign..WELL YES I WILL MEET WITH ANY DICTATOR ANYWHERE ANYTIME AND DISCUSS ANYTHING ......LATTER IN THE CAMPAIGN....Well uh ummm ahhh I would ahh umm ahh meet with the uhh ummmahhhh appropriate auu persons or ahhh peoples ummm when and if uh hhh ummm it would seem to ahhh ummm be ahhh the right ummma hhhh ahhh moment to be ummm ahhh welll uh ahhhmmm thing to do..
Obama our fffffffirst stu stu stu stu stuttering P P P P P Presidential candidate!
Elaine Chao, July 2007:
"American employees must be punctual, dress appropriately and have good personal hygiene...They need anger-management and conflict-resolution skills, and they have to be able to accept direction. Too many young people bristle when a supervisor asks them to do something.”
And let's not forget that Waxman took a look at her activities as she was suspected of stumping for her Senator husband at taxpayer expense.
Oh now lets see when Hillary proposed tax relief from the gas prices a month or so Mr fancy pants economics Obama called it a silly idea....maybe so. One of the things he noted is that the oil companies would just raise the prices more...maybe so. So lets see Obama is proposing a Windfall profit tax on the oil companies and he thinks that they will do what ........not raise the cost of gas to cover that tax....Hmmmmm Just wondering!
It's quite naturally really..
For labor jobs, younger men are preferred, so the older men lose out their jobs to younger men who then file unemployment.
More younger men are going into labor jobs these days because they aren't getting more lucrative jobs like IT and manufacturing which are being outsourced
WOW! What a large lapel flag pin she's wearing. She must be a super-patriot!
Done @ 117:
Meds running out ?
damn. she's a dumb s*** sticking to the shoes of members of the right party. wtf...?
I lost my last construction job to an undocumented worker.
I've seen and felt the effects of what undocumented workers have done to the construction trades.
I've been fired because I made to much. Denied jobs because I'm to experience.
Been told I would be to expensive to hire based on experience.
As a business owner you can't compete unless you hire "cheap labor".
I'm sure those of you who work or did work in the trade understand this.
It's a system that does not reward achievement as it's a system that rewards corruption. If you play fair and by the rules you lose.
The last guy I worked for was a dyed in the wool southern style ditto-head.
He would bitch about illegal immigrants and all the problems that they cause and then hire illegal immigrants while not seeing that he was a part of the problem he bitched about.
But hey, he was making money, it was just business. It's not his job to act as immigration police. Besides, they all had social security numbers and cars to drive and that's all they he needed to know.
....Fuck!!!(sorry, I was drifting off in thought about life....it's all I can think is FUCK!!!)
These conservative republicans are fucking batshit crazy.
My question to you of the "these aren't real conservatives crowd"....what the fuck are they then?
Since you know what a real conservative looks like can you explain it to me, please.
Now..since you can identify what a real republican is then you the "real conservatives" need to throw all of these false conservative bastards under the bus.
I defy you the "real conservative" to stand up and separate yourself from this party of "false conservatives" and replace every current conservative with a "real conservatives".
These false conservatives of your party have a decade plus track record of voting in lock-step. Your problem of false conservatives is systemic.
But wait, I ask you mr./mrs. real conservative this.
If YOU voted for the "false conservative" what does that say of you?
Will you admit to being duped into blindly supporting the "false conservative" in all cause?
Or will you admit that you are a false conservative?
Your party has issues my friends, and those issues include not only your leaders, but also you, it's enablers.
Hulk @ 116:
WOW you are so right and When Obama gets in he is going to turn things upside down and everything is going to GRAND AGAIN!!!!!!!!OPEC will drop the price of oil by fifty percent on Jan 21 the day after Obama is innaugurated. The price of milk will drop by one third....Murders will be a thing of the past....people will stop smoking....housing forclosures will cease and desist.....all personal injury suits will be dropped and the lawyers will sing Cumbya...I CAN"T WAIT!!!! I'm getting all chocked up just thinking about it! Oh yeah I forgot the mideast problems will be solved but that is going to take until Jan 22 2009 at 11:30 AM or so. I'm getting all Kephlempt....!
wheeee (Old Deal McCain) @ 124:
You think Obama is going to solve the illegal Immigration problem??? I have some real Esates in Florida for you it's near a swamp geat location.
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I expect nothing frome a broken apparatus except failure.
I think she is correct in a strange way, she is getting to an even more important issue.
There are so few real jobs available that pay a proper wage, even college educated young adults are having a hard time finding work.
Sure you can always find a job helping a corporation enslave America and turn us into all consuming mindless fools. Or you can get a job at AT&T helping to spy on americans and keep them in line. Or you can join the military!
But when it comes to finding a good job (that one can be proud of), that pays a good living wage (enough to have a car and fill the tank), most young people are having a hard time finding one. Even the ones that went to college!
I in no way expect the government to EVER give a shit.
I've never lived under the impression that a bunch of rich elitist assholes are ever going to care about those viewed as underneath them.
How lame! Unemployment numbers reflect the number of first time applications for unemployment. Unless all of these new high school graduates had jobs and lost them they have no impact on the jobless rate. Once again the bush administration is playing with the numbers and the facts to sell us a useless bill of goods and make themselves look better.
outtheoffice @ 10 & 18, I sure hope your new moniker isn't 'livinginaditchsomewhere'. I feel your pain, bro.
There is some general confusion here as what the unemployment statistics are. The ones in question are part of a Bureau of Labor Statistics survey and are not based on unemployment claims. Respondents are asked: Did you work last week? If Yes, add 1 to employed. If no, ask: Did you look for work last week? If Yes, add 1 to unemployed; if no, add 1 to not in the labor force. The unemployment rate is the number of unemployed divided by the sum of unemployed and employed. And yes, it vastly underestimates the number of unemployed. (The same approach is used by almost all industrialised countries so they can lie to each other on the same terms.) The rate is also "seasonally adjusted", which means that traditional upswings (in summer) and downswings (in January) are factored out. Ms. Chao is not totally wrong (she is still full of sh*t); a smaller proportion of students is finding work this summer than has been the case (they legitimately say No I did not work and yes I was looking and so are unemployed) and that is an indication the economy is faltering. If it were robust employers would be looking for low-cost, non-permanent help ( = students) to fill in when they have to give time off to their regular employees for vacations. Since many employers are having trouble finding enough work for their permanent employees anyway, there is no need for fill-in labor.
As I point out in another comment, the unemployment figures are NOT based on unemployment claims. They come from a household survey.
WRG @ 133:
I live in Colorado and I'm disgusted that the anti-labor fucks will have a so-called "right to work" initiative on the ballot in November. What "right to work" really means is you can be represented by a union and treated like a human being without having to contribute union dues. In "right to work" states, unions are typically weak because members can opt out of dues. If you live in Colorado, or are so inclined, please help to defeat this insidious ballot initiative.
Done @ 126:
he wont solve it...but he will darn sure more honest about it then mcgiveallthejobstoillegals
mcoldfart is a corporatist hack...
and i wish someone had asked the secretary a question i have been dying to have answered
can she, or anyone, please cite the society that has flourished based on a service economy?
All Dumbya's Resluts are all so damn stupid.
McBush can't even talk without his terrible studdering, lying and flip-flopping out of pure ignorance.
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Doggiebobo @ 141:
Thank you sitemonitor...
How about acknowledging the contributing factor that older workers, who previously would have been retired, are remaining in the workforce because they can no longer afford to retire?
I've seen people in their late 60's & early 70's bagging groceries and taking orders at fast food restaurants. Wal-mart in particular seems fond of hiring the geriatric set.
People should be able to work as long as the like, but these days, they no longer seem to have a choice.
Weaseldog @ 12:
WTF..........that's exactly what I was thinking. Not the part about her job, you can have it. You thought of it first!!!
Fargin' Iceholes!!!!!!!!!
greg white @ 143:
Yeah, I live in Florida, and they are quite prevelent at the grocery stores. I don't frequent Wal-mart, but I know there are a lot of seniors who work there.
Personally, it makes me sick. IF they want to work, that's fine. But to put a few scraps on the table............our country is like a third world country anymore.
Cept for Babs boosh.........it's working out pretty damn well for that Q-tip!!! I'd like to see her cleaning restrooms at Burger King.
“Today’s increase in the unemployment rate reflects the fact that unusually large numbers of students and graduates are entering the labor market.”
Just one problem with this statement. These "students and graduates" don't figure into the unemployment figures. There are several criteria to be included in the unemployment figures. Among them is collecting of unemployment benefits. New entrants to the labor force do not qualify for these benefits. Oops.
Next BS excuse please.
gw said the same thing Friday, they are all assholes.
The scarry aspect of this is they lie about the stats. Imagine how bad it really is.
it's bad enough to fudge the numbers like they do with unemployment and inflation, but when you start believing your own bs, you can really create problems. lowering the prime because inflation is low is a good case in point. inflation isn't low, it's just miscalculated to appear that way.
votingvet @ 60:
I took it to mean all the students were taking jobs and preventing the people who did count as unemployed from getting off unemployment.
She's wrong anyway, but that's a whole nother matter
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