Cal Thomas says America only sees 'Angry black women' on TV
By John Amato Friday Jun 20, 2008 11:00am
The attacks on Michelle Obama have "only just begun." On FOX News Watch last week, James Pinkerton was his usual smarmy self, but Cal Thomas engaged in some of the most racist diatribes I've seen so far on television. Cal's theory is that the only black women we see on TV are angry one's because their kids got shot in a drive-by. Except of course Oprah Winfrey. How could he forget? She's the only black women he probably knows. What a horrible thing to say. Is he insane? People like Cal will stoop as slow as they can go to smear Michelle and after Jane Hall identifies the attacks that are coming against Michelle Obama---she actually has to tell these two 'conservative punkits' that she wasn't endorsing the behavior.
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Hall: If they can't prove he's a Muslim, then let's prove his wife is an angry black woman. I think it's going to get ugly.
Thomas: And who are the black women you see on the local news at night in cities all over the country. They're usually angry about something. They've had a son who has been shot in a drive-by shooting. They are angry at Bush. So you don't really have a profile of non-angry black women.
HALL: I wasn't endorsing that concept that some people are going to go after her.
OK Cal, you racist pig. I can think of American women that aren't "angry" about having their kids shot. I can think of a couple right off the top of my head. How about Halle Berry, who won an Oscar award in 2001 for Monster's Ball.
And the great Lena Horne---who battled racism her whole career.
Maybe Cal's family just watches reruns of "COPS" over and over again or something.
Please contact them at Jim Pinkerton
E-mail: jim@jamesppinkerton.com
Phone: 631-843-2020
Fax: 631-843-2953
Cal Thomas
Fox News #: 212-301-3000
Fox News Fax: 212-301-3898
Newsday #: (312) 222-4444
Newsday fax: (312) 222-3459
E-mail: cal.thomas@foxnews.com
...and demand they stop this horrific behavior immediately. (h/t Heather transcript below the fold)
JANE HALL, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY: I think one way that people who are going to try to defeat Obama is to somehow prove he's other - he's not one of us. If they can't prove he's a Muslim, then let's prove his wife is an angry black woman. I think it's going to get ugly. I don't think John McCain will sanction it. I think McCain - it's my opinion he will generally try...
SCOTT: But he won't be able to control it.
HALL: I think McCain genuinely doesn't want this kind of campaign, but I think that may be the only, and ugliest way, to go after Obama and people are going to use it.
SCOTT: What do you think, Jim?
JIM PINKERTON, "AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE": Oh, I don't know. I'm kind of curious about Obama, where he lived, what he's done and what he believed. The people that surround Obama so far, Reverend Wright, Father Pfleger, Tony Rezko, these people don't exactly satisfy all your concerns, do they, about who he is and what he stands for and so on.
I think this is entirely legitimate. I think Jane and Jonathan are right. The McCain campaign will stay away from it. As Rich Lowry pointed out, he's so honor-bound, he's going to lose trying to win this election. That's his choice.
But I think the American people deserve a thorough examination of everything about her, especially when they know the MSM are giving her the Jackie Kennedy treatment, trying to just sail her off into Camelot.
THOMAS: I want to pick up on something that Jane said about the angry black woman. Look at the image of angry black women on television. Politically you have Maxine Waters of California, liberal Democrat. She's always angry every time she gets on television. Cynthia McKinney, another angry black woman. And who are the black women you see on the local news at night in cities all over the country. They're usually angry about something. They've had a son who has been shot in a drive-by shooting. They are angry at Bush. So you don't really have a profile of non-angry black women.
(CROSSTALK)
PINKERTON: Oprah Winfrey.
THOMAS: Oprah Winfrey. Yes, there you go, Oprah Winfrey.
HALL: I wasn't endorsing that concept that some people are going to go after her.
MARTIN: What's so fascinating here in that we're having this conversation right now. This is the constant cable chatter.
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I don't find it "fascinating" at all that they were having this discussion. I think it is disgusting.
I'm waiting for old racist canards we haven't heard since the 60s to revive. This nation only evolved out of enforced Jim Crow over the last 50 or so years. That sort of attitude doesn't die in that short a span of time.
And if black women are angry maybe its because cable television is full of racist pricks like these guys. They sure have a reason to be angry.
What’s so fascinating here in that we’re having this conversation right now. This is the constant cable chatter.
This little tidbit is really rich too. They're talking about it because people on cable talk shows are talking about it or something. Har har har. This is on par with Cheney holding up the New York Times with stories he planted in it saying "see the times says it too."
Tell them to stop, are you kidding? PLEASE KEEP IT UP!! That will blow up in the rights face big time. Do more of it, so much more that McCain has no choice but to tell them to stop because their bigotry will be impossible to deny.
during the upcoming debate(s) i think obama should propose a mutual agreement with mccain in front of america to call off family and racial attacks. challenge mccain with taking the high road. personally i'm sick of it........i don't find it constructive.
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
'The War Between the States,' 'The War of Northern Aggression' 'The Civil War' whatever you choose to call it, never ended now, did it?
The only black women we see on tv are angry...
Maybe that should tell Cal Thomas something about how the Corporate Media treats black women and black men for that matter. If it bleeds it leads, if it's black it is crime or anger. The images reinforce stereotypes and fear and produce "deep" thinkers on race relations and race and crime and anger like Cal Thomas who apparently never met an African American in person and had a conversation.
I have been disgusted by every last column i have ever written that Cal Thomas wrote that i have had the displeasure to read.
Oh, I don't know. Every time I see old Condi on TV, she's mad about something...
Racial issues aside, here's a real basic comment: what is wrong with anger? What's wrong with being angry? Should we simply be happy about injustice? Should we be happy about pain and suffering?
Sorry about the typo (need more coffee).
I have been disgusted by every last column i have ever read that Cal Thomas wrote that i have had the displeasure to come across.
OMG! Was this taped in 1948? And I love how the right says there is no discrimination anymore. How is this guy have a job?
Wow, a commentator in FOX news saying something incredibly stupid, bigoted, and ignorant? Say it ain't so, noooooo, not FOX....
OT: Am I the only one having this problem: C&L opens up looking like a 1991 HTML page - no graphics, and really slow. Was fine last night. Happens in IE & Firefox....! HELP!
Crooks and Liars (my favourite blog) seems to have reverted to speeds just slightly faster than snail mail in what seems to be a new??? format. C&L has always been slower than any other blog but I could live with that due to the fine content but an eternity between pages is more than frustrating or is my computer "special"?
You're allowed to say this on the same TV network that broadcasts, of all shows, COPS????? So if the "angry woman" profile is all you've been exposed to, whose fault is that? Fuck, these people are dense.
miss_kitty @ 6:
Only in the minds of a dangerously deluded few. Blacks should have received all their rights when the guns fell silent and Amendments 13-15 were ratified.
Once the emailed "critique" of Michelle Obama's thesis started circulating you new it was just a matter of time before these racist fools would start pouring out of the woodwork.
theWalrus @ 13:
I got on with firefox and it works. IE was a problem.
I think part of the problem is, Fox allows so many women on whose only job is to nod, agree with whatever the man said, and giggle at random moments. So, whenever they see a woman who doesn't do that, who actually has an opinion about something, who is willing to disagree with their Privileged White Male of the moment, who is passionate about a cause, they label her as "Angry". And speaking of which, who are they to point the finger at "Angry Black Women" when they allow Michelle Malkin and Anne Coulter on their network? The vitriol spewed from the mouths of those gorgons is far more angry and poisonous....
Interesting, I'm on firefox and, when I refreshed the page, I started having problems. It's still fast, but the CSS appears to be broken.
As an angy Black man I would love to run into Pinkerton on the street. I would'nt touch him just look at "angry" and watch him piss his pants.
VegasRage @ 4:
Exactly. Pretty soon they will even lose their older audience and be left with nothing but viewers from the Aryan Nation and the KKK.
xoites defends Constitution @ 7:
Bingo! I read his comments thinking "well, doesn't that say something about the slanting of the media?" He's really just proving the point that's been made for decades about the effects of these stereotypes being perpetuated by the media.
And, btw, what is wrong with women being angry?
Why on earth shouldn't a woman of whatever race be angry if her child has been shot in a drive by? what is the appropriate response?
As a white woman, I can tell Cal it ain't just black women who are angry at Bush. If you're not angry at Bush, you really have not been paying attention.
JIM PINKERTON : “But I think the American people deserve a thorough examination of everything about her [Michelle Obama], especially when they know the MSM are giving her the Jackie Kennedy treatment, trying to just sail her off into Camelot.”
Harrumph. Well I’m an angry white man Jim, and I believe you’ll find that Cindy McSenile is the more interesting of the two. But hey, you already knew that, ergo the whining.
PS: Since you obviously no longer cast a reflection, Joe Six Pack can see right through you these days.
'If I wasn't too old, too tired, too fucking blind, I'd take a flamethrower to that fucking place!'...seems to me I heard that once, but it applies every time I'm subjected to a few talking heads on FauxNews.
walter lee younger @ 21:
You'd have to catch him between his limo and FauxNews security entrance. He doesn't get out much as you can tell.
I think you guys forgot to publish your CSS pages!
Actually kind of progressive of Mr. Thomas to call out that the vast majority of black people on TV are portrayed negatively. I salute Mr. Thomas for calling out the news and entertainment people for their prejudicial portrayals.
Also, black women... If your child has just been murdered, either by a gangbanger or the Bush admin's callous disregard for human life, and a news crew shows up, try to smile a bit, ok?
"I don't know why Cindy Mcain did what she did, I just know I've never taken or stolen drugs or a husband for that matter''
I am shocked, shocked I tell you that Fox broadcasts blatant racism disguised as newsworthy commentary. Fox.... the network of blonde, big breasted, plastic bimbos does not even have a clue as to the fact that it is not only African Americans who may be angry at what has happened to their community. There is anger in the white, middle class, neighborhoods which have also been economically raped by Bushco, and who have also lost their loved ones to the lie known as Iraq. Yet, Fox in an attempt to encourage racism, fails to acknowledge that the universal anger has everything to do with Bushco corruption and lies. Fox's sole purpose is to propagandize for the corporate masters who have fostered this destruction upon us. Fox....... it should be dead.
John, sorry - but this is the face of America.
Bigots within easy cat swinging range. Lets not be naive please. If you wander forward in dazed amazement at any of this they will have you - trust me they arent amazed and they see you coming from a great distance.
Civil society has difficulty dealing with the few (my opinion) mad dogs among us - violent criminals etc. So civil society has its own mad dogs - prosecutors etc - to deal with them. (As you or I surely would not be thugish enough to do the job ourselves).
We know bigots like this exist (and others - for example social darwinist thugs). What is needed are people that can relentlessly identify and attack/neutralize them. They need to be made to pay a price (professionally) for comments like this. Your posting videos like this helps. But this is not only offensive, it promotes dangerous behavior among certain groups. I dont believe tolerance of such behavior is either required or advisable.
Yeah, Whoopi Goldberg said almost exactly the same thing on The View:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rAz6qvTtLZM
Check about the 2 minute mark.
Really? I guess he doesn't watch FOX 'News' then, because all I ever see on it are moronically angry white guys.
Actually kind of progressive of Mr. Thomas to call out that the vast majority of black people on TV are portrayed negatively. I salute Mr. Thomas for calling out the news and entertainment people for their prejudicial portrayals.
Honestly, this was my first reaction - media portrayals of blacks are still distorted, and it was big of Thomas to admit as much. Then I remembered that Cal Thomas is an idiot, and that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
sure, that's fair. remember how much we heard about laura bush killing her boyfriend in a car crash? not.
If you missed John Cussack's interview with Keith Olbermann, it is worth watching.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25292619
Ah, but Halle Berry has a white mother. Therefore, she's not really black. This was the argument some conservative asshats used after Berry won her Best Actress Oscar and it was being hailed as a milestone. Remember when they were telling us Obama wasn't really black either? That seems like a lifetime ago.
oncall @ 36:
That was a great interview. Cusack rocks.
Nobody is really black and nobody is really white.
Race is a myth created to seperate Owners from Slaves in the minds of the people who pressed human beings into labor for personal gain.
What race is a dog with white hair? Is he superior to a dog with black hair?
Implicit in his statement is the fact that *the only black women Cal Thomas ever sees are on television*.
Elite much?
Angry black women? That's funny, considering Fox News and the political right has such a history of catering to angry white men, each and every one a Mr. Grievance.
Thomas is just pandering to the type of people that watch Fox News. I doubt his comments about black folks will make a difference in the long run. After all, its not Michelle Obama that people like Thomas need to worry about. Barack Obama is the man running for President and from the looks of things, he continues to gain more support from a wide range of Americans.
You guys need to stop throwing the "racist" accusation around. Maybe Cal isn't an authority on the subject of ethnic portrayals in the media but I believe he was just pointing out a very lopsided presentation of black women compared to other women and compared to other ethnicities as well. He might be completely wrong statistically but I don't believe he was promoting the idea. You guys need to really cool off.
after watching Moyers last night and the new book on slavery I can see why blacks are not happy with this country as for Cal Thomas I wonder if he would be angry if he was subject to the same kind of treatment him and his ancestors would never of gotten off the boat.
The right wing is a bunch of closet kkk wearing thugs.
As for post 37 I heard this argument about obama "he's not being honest because his is only half black so he's not black" the the neanderthal went on to say Mccrazy is the man because his part of the white race how do you deal with stupid on so many levels??
Oh, I'm guessing America still remembers Barbara Jordan on the teevee kicking your boy Nixon's ass out of the White House, son.
thing is, michelle doesnt come off as an angry black woman
she comes off as a milf
and we havent had a milf in the wh since jackie kennedy
That was so racist. sophomoric and utterly stupid commentary that it would make any reasonably minded, at least average intelligence person disgusted and outraged.
Sheesh. What a dumbed down slide into the abyss this country is in with this passing as acceptable discussion by any network executive on the planet
Thomas is class A douchebag.
Uncle Joe@ 46:
Despite what the filmmakers of the San Fernando Valley are trying to pass off as MILFs these days (actresses in their 20's who just had their first kid 6 months earlier), the definition of the phrase is meant to be applied to the mother of the generation older than you.
Now I don't know about you, but the generation older than me- people of my parents generation- are in their late 50's at the youngest. Michelle Obama is my generational contemporary, or just a bit older. So, too me at least, she's more like the Older Sister ILF.
God, this conversation is soooo wrong......
43 estevan Says:
" You guys need to stop throwing the “racist” accusation around. Maybe Cal isn’t an authority on the subject of ethnic portrayals in the media but I believe he was just pointing out a very lopsided presentation of black women compared to other women and compared to other ethnicities as well. He might be completely wrong statistically but I don’t believe he was promoting the idea. You guys need to really cool off."
I have been reading Cal Thomas for thirty years. I figured out where he stood after reading his first column. Would you be angry if i accused a Ford Mustang of being an automobile?
estevan @ 43:
Oh, don't be silly. If you've read enough of the man's work to call him "Cal" you know that black folks are one of his favorite subjects, and he purports to be very much an authority on all aspects of how they're presented and viewed in America.
Fixed, but flame away.
i always thought Hallie won because of the sex scene with billy bob Thornton.
now THATS acting!
That's funny this Fux News guy, Thomas, said that about black women.
Because I was just thinking how every pasty white guy with plastic skin who always has a thick layer of sweat dripping off his face who we see on TV is a racist imbecile!
What are the chances?!
Last time I watched TV, there was an ad for Aunt Jemima pancakes.
Take a look at this, and tell me this woman looks angry:
http://www.auntjemima.com
I guess Cal Thomas never watched the WB.
julia @ 51:
Great "Holy Man" Cal Thomas loves Jesus, quotes the bible, and just loved the idea of chimpy's Iraq debacle. His philosophy is rooted in WWJB- Who Would Jesus Bomb. He also hates gays. I'm surprised he didn't find a way to link Michelle Obama to gay marriage. Funny, since he shaved off his little Fuehrer moustache, he doesn't look like the cop from the "Village People" anymore.
Hell, I'm and Angry White Man. How come I don't get headlines?
Halle Berry isn't really a good example she had that driving thing.
However the point is really mute, the fact that we see angry black women on TV is perfectly understandable, comments like FOX makes and not just them, but we still have a prison system that readily endorses quick and speedy convictions for blacks that far exceed those of whites, and since most of these are for drug related offenses, they ignore the fact that far more whites engage in rampant drug use. I don't want to see passive black women on TV, I don't want to see Passive White women either, I enjoy people who aren't apathetic and there is no other way to be if you pay attention, angry is the natural state of being if you at all care about this world, just add a dash of productive to that and we have a populous to be reckoned with.
F**ktard racist F**k.... Cal Thomas can like the dook off my jackboots
Good example of the Fox News "But wait a minute!" gambit.
1. Set up an ostensible theme that "some people" (a Fox favorite) are attacking Michelle Obama as an "angry black woman."
2. Have one of your guests indignantly "object" to the unfairness of such attacks, going on to list examples of other "angry black women."
3. Have the first one explicitly deny that the intention of the segment was to smear Michelle Obama. It just happened to turn out that way because, darn it, your guests are earnestly concerned!
How many times do we need to see this same straw man variant played before it loses all credibility? Problem is, Fox's TV stoners will believe anything. Somebody should make a zombie movie about that.
I just loved this story, from long ago, about Lena Horne. Her young grandkids didn't think she was anyone special. Until she appeared on Sesame Street.
What really freaks Cal Thomas out is the repetitive dream he keeps having, that he wakes up and finds himself on the set of "Blazing Saddles" and that becomes his reality and, oh yeah, one more thing he finds out.........
Thesheriffsanigga!!!!!
What's that? Gabby?
Thesheriffsanigga!!!
What in the hell is he sayin?
THESHERIFFSANIGGA!!!!!!
doh!
Cal Thomas is a syphilus dripping butt sore.
Apparently Cal Thomas never watches NewsHour or he would know who Gwen Ifill is.
Even more racist than the Cal Thomas assertion is a white liberal who actually falls for the bait and attempts to enumerate a list of non-angry black women; as if there are few enough to count.
Come on John...Lena Horne and Hallie Barry? You forgot Vanessa Williams.
Talk about stereotyping. Beautiful light-skinned actors? You can do better than that.
Actually Cal Thomas isn't entirely wrong.
But it's not the fault of black women
He is minimizing the anger that many may have, that may have cause (like a drive-by).
But it is also the fault of the news media who just want dramatic images.
In Living Color used to have a funny bit called "Why Is It That?" where reporters are looking for local witnesses to a crime or tragedy "in the hood," and encounter several people who can talk coherently with knowledge about what happened, but the one they put on the air is some gang-banger who's all slang and not particularly knowledgeable.
Additionally, I've felt my own anger increase quite a bit in the last 7 1/2 years.
Bill Moyers had an interesting show last night about how newly freed slaves were often subject to vagrancy laws, because even if you had a job then, you may not be able to prove it. For breaking this and other, ostensibly non-racial laws, that they were hemmed in with, they could find themselves sentence to labor camps that were described in a book called "Slavery By Another Name." They weren't paid, because they were considered "criminals," flogging wasn't uncommon and this was happening up to the 1940's.
Now days you hear snears of contempt from those who say the left is more concerned with criminal rights than victims, and calls to bring back the chain-gang. This sounds like a reversal to the period when Southern States in particular depending on this free labor.
This also touches on minority crime; minorities want protection from crime, but they might employ a "no snitching" attitude toward the law, because they may have had parents or grandparents essentially swept up and disappeared in these old camps.
Just keep on diggin' Cal! Its 2008, not 1808 you moron! Keep highlighting the sick desperation of the GOP, and their anachronistic base!
Guess he forgot about "stupid old men" that we see on TV constantly!
For those of you worried about race....obama is playing that race card again...3rd piece down....which could very well come back to bite him in the ass.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Hold onto your chewing gum... we are on for the ride of the century. The white sheeted hoodies are coming out and they will be everywhere. They have started already.
here's a copy of the email I sent to the racist bastard Cal Thomas....
Mr. Thomas,
I want to thank you for the undaunted moral courage and selfless
determination you have shown as you attack Michelle Obama.
It's not easy for a man of education, culture and honor to publicly
defame a woman. To question her beliefs and actions, and for that
matter the beliefs and actions of ALL black women
is the act of a true patriot. In fact it can be easily shown that ALL
black culture and black people are completely opposed to the values
that have made America great. They allowed
themselves to enslaved, didn't have the guts to regain their freedom,
fought against the very society that freed them, and then they blame
our great country for
"institutional" racism. Ha! If a black woman isn't pregnant, or
drunk, or shoplifting, or in jail, she is out trying to right some
perceived wrong!!
Sincerely
Nathan Forest
... because you know strongly worded letters always get results
Cal you f*&king racist dimwit
you'd think NO one get's there news from a female African-America, either at the anchor desk or in the field ... asshat
Or NO ONE watches the VIEW which has two NON Angry (though one is stupid) African American women
example 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGLXqW1kUs
example 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC117UYsHs
any you know I've heard more ANGRY white males hosting radio shows than I've heard angry black women ... go figure CAL
Cal Thomas et al are not going to stop their attacks on the Faux News target du jour because that's what they do for a living. Take that away, and Thomas and his ilk would be unemployed and unemployable. There is no talent involved, just a willingness to sell their souls for a few pieces of silver.
On the subject of angry black people, how many people know anything about Jeremiah Wright? Do they know he has a Presidential Citation from President Johnson? That he was a marine for six years? About all the social work and attempts to improve the community he lived in for decades? It doesn't mean he's a paragon of virtue but it might explain why he was angry in that video clip people keep throwing about since many people he works with are still so disadvantaged after many decades - when it seems reasonable to think that by now more could have been done.
xoites defends Constitution @ 39:
True in general. But today we have scientific fact - which we didnt have in the recent past.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/?fs=www5.nationalgeograp...
Using genetic testing (similar to genetic paternity testing) we now know that race is the consequence of a 60,000 year migration out of southern africa which resulted in minor differentiation due to differences in local condition. We even now understand the specific paths followed during the migration. All this to a certainty based upon genetic testing. This isnt cultural anthropology.
This is (my opinion) the most important science since we split the atom. More people need to become familiar with it.
We are all literally (genetically - scientifically proven) to be related - cousins.
To the redneck peckerwoods out there ... GET OVER IT. :)
Johnny2Bad @ 67:
You got it.
I'm a 63 year old white male, and if my kid (or grandkid, at this point) were shot in a drive-by, I'd be angry as hell. Does that make me any less worthy of having my opinions heard and my needs addressed? I don't think so.
Um, where is the black female pundit in this discussion about black females? Did I count 4 white men or so and one white female?
Racists can't understand the anger or blacks and other minorities because, in their minds, blacks have never had it any better, what with welfare and affirmitive action.
Um, where is the black female pundit in this discussion about black females? Did I count 4 white men or so and one white female?
This is Faux News. It has nothing but old white men and women.
it's unfortunate but certain black and white people are empowered by division and hate....there are people who can't imagine a black president......i'm proud to say i didn't see his skin color until it was pointed out by the media....now that his race/color are identified routinely i have thought about the positives it may bring......i wish others could have that vision
Funny how these assholes never discussed Laura Bushs' vehiculal homicide.
Look no further than this clip to understand why the Democratic Presidential Nominee will not go on Faux Noise.
I do not understand why ANY Dem would go on Faux Noise. In an act of desperation Hillary Clinton did and now she hopes to be Obamas' VP.
When Barack becomes President I hope he continues to ignore Faux and Fiends.
77 anon Says: xoites defends Constitution @ 39:
Nobody is really black and nobody is really white.
Race is a myth created to seperate Owners from Slaves in the minds of the people who pressed human beings into labor for personal gain.
What race is a dog with white hair? Is he superior to a dog with black hair?
True in general. But today we have scientific fact - which we didnt have in the recent past.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/?fs=www5.nationalgeograp...
Using genetic testing (similar to genetic paternity testing) we now know that race is the consequence of a 60,000 year migration out of southern africa which resulted in minor differentiation due to differences in local condition. We even now understand the specific paths followed during the migration. All this to a certainty based upon genetic testing. This isnt cultural anthropology.
This is (my opinion) the most important science since we split the atom. More people need to become familiar with it.
We are all literally (genetically - scientifically proven) to be related - cousins.
To the redneck peckerwoods out there … GET OVER IT. :)
Thank you for that. :)
frybread @82: you forgot 'pasty, balding and flaccid' old men.
anon @ 77:
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f*&k you....i want you to take back your final statement
i am not in any way, shape or form related to el druggo, lufa boy, hannity or 99 percent of the people who live in west virginia
oh, and totally off topic, but with hillary needing a month off after the campaign, isnt everyone glad that she didnt win? i mean do we need another prez who spends most of her time on vacation???
get back to work hillary xxx--JA
I scanned Cal's wiki page to see how old this coot is (born in 1942) - his hair get darker every year.... and noticed this:
Obama "Hezbollah-style fist-jabbing"
Cal Thomas described the fist bump between Barack Obama and Michelle Obama at a televised presidential campaign speech in St. Paul, Minnesota as "Hezbollah-style fist-jabbing".[2] The comment was picked up by Fox News host E.D. Hill, who reported it a "terrorist fist jab".[3]
Paranoid anyone?
Gretchen @ 1:
I wonder how when politician where mention he forgot all about Dr. Rice. I guess she's not black since she is a republican..
Disgusting, offensive, loathsome, appalling, distasteful, revolting, hateful, dysphemistic, nauseating, insulting, rude, abusive, embarrassing, affronting, contemptuous, disparaging, disrespectful, scurrilous, detestable, discourteous, sickening, uncivil, gross, vile repellent, obnoxious, nauseating, abominable, abhorrent, sickening, execrable, obscene, abominable, obscene, odious, incredulous, ineffable - & just downright evil.
BUT THAT'S FAUX NEWS!
Their hate makes the baby Jesus cry.
Jesus Cristo, how low can they go?
boticelli @ 87:
Hey, I resemble that remark!!!
I did not realize that pasty, balding and flaccid, was a political position..........I thought it just happened............you know........like hemerhoids?
Keep talking Foux News . . . all that is happening is you are driving the middle right into the arms of the Dems because resonable people (i.e. NOT the right wing) hate this bigotry.
Angry black women?
How about angry white males! Or, angry Americans period.
Regardless of race or gender all Americans are pissed off.
Who can blame us?
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 88:
8'P
boticelli @ 80:
Former
Onetime
Xenophobes,
now applying racial hatred to ANYONE with dark skin. Fair AND balanced.
I'm an angry white woman! Angry that people like Cal Thomas are given a platform to voice such stupidity. African-Americans have contributed so much to our society, in so many ways. Black women have carried more than the same burdens that all women share in a society that has been skewed to the powers of arrogant, entitled white men. But let's not make any more across the board statements that make all white men bad, for surely there must be some out there who are not like Cal Thomas, John McCain, Dick Cheney and Sean Hannity.
If we're going to open this door at all, then we have to open it wide and do it with equal justice for all. How about taking a serious look at the characters of the two presidential candidates? Can you just guess what the FOX news spin would be if Michelle Obama had been addicted to painkillers for three years and stolen drugs from a charity she operated, resulting in a federal investigation? Do you really think for a moment that as a black woman without a fortune in the bank and the political fire power of being married to John McCain, she would have avoided the punishment most people receive but that Cindy McCain skirted through?
We've become so plastic and artificial in our view of everything, we hardly notice the deep differences in character between these two women and their respective husbands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7LUT1ezm0 gives a view of Cindy McCain telling the story of how she and John McCain lied to each other about their ages when they first got together (and he was married to someone else) and didn't find out until it showed up on the marriage certificate. You've got to see it to believe it, and while she may think it's funny, what does this tell us about these people and how "real" they are able to be. She has been quoted as saying the only person he feels he can trust is her, but he never even figured out for three years that his wife was a drug addict! Where was he??
Why has it become socially unacceptable in this country for anyone but right-wingers to be angry? Progressive Americans of all colors ought to be a lot more angry, actively angry, than they currently are, instead of stifling themselves in order to avoid being mocked by rightists. And as for Black mothers possibly being angry that their kids were shot in drive-bys, there are probably at least an equal amount of them that are angry because their innocent kids are being murdered by cops. Have these Foxheads forgotten Sean Bell and Amadou Diallo?
I'm not going to beat up Thomas for this because blacks and liberals have been saying for years that blacks are, year after year, shown by TV in a negative light. That the real African American family is not shown and that people therefore see a negative stereotype as portrayed by the corporate media. To say Thomas is racist for making the same point is disingenuous at best.
Cal Thomas. The use of that expletive is wrong.
Those men who tossed the tea overboard in Boston during the revolution weren't mad either. Talk about your angry white men. Fake news from a fake news network.
radically moderate @93: It's not really a political position, per se. It's just that righties typically trend more towards pasty, flaccid and sexually dysfunctional than normal people.
"get back to work hillary and iron my shirts."
You don't own a shirt. Btw- still tied to that
tree in your diapers while the slack-jawed
kid playes his banjo?
how about not basing your views about an entire race on what you see on tv dumbasses
Cal Thomas . . . Old, White, Doughy, Male.
Enough said.
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deang @ 99:
Damn right.
i don't watch a LOT of the tv, but i have noticed an increase in the number of commercials that feature black people... young, old, couples, singles, etc... but not an angry one among them...
maybe that upsets ol' cal the most... those commercials show black people as actual people!
Whoopie Goldberg is angry cuz she's on "the View", and Oprah's angry due to ratings. (or that new diet)
That lightheartedly being said, Halle Berry's oscar came with the additional baggage of black women sexual sterotypes. No doubt another reason for women of colour on TV to be angry about..
Condi Rice is the angriest black woman I see on TV.
I would love to see O'Reilley and this moron having dinner at a restaurant in Harlem. They would sit there in amazement as they watched as African Americans actually ate their food with utensils and plates while they actually used napkins, and all the while had civil dinner conversations. To add to their bewilderment, there would not be a shooting during the entire meal. Total douche-bag
botticelli @ 103:
Just having fun Botticelli ;-)
BTW Your comment @ #80 said it all!
[Deleted. Abusive. Site Monitor] First of all, Why would you respond to his point of view in the first place--and legitimize his argument? Second of all, if you are going to stoop to his level, why on earth would you choose Halle Berry as an example of a black woman who isn't angry? Maybe she isn't angry, but she's certainly crazy (um...she drove away from at least two car accidents)--which I would argue is the other, probably more dominant portrayal--i.e. the crazy black woman. And Lena Horne? Huh? If you're actually going to go there and "respond" to crazy Cal's lunatic argument, how about just offering up a very long list of black women who are neither crazy nor "angry" (whatever the hell that means in the first place). It would have taken you oh I don't know only about 5 seconds to rattle off some names. Instead you pick Halle Berry and Lena Horne?! What?! Why?!
[You raise some legitimate points, archmunster, but we don't allow abusive language towards our commenters or our bloggers. I'll forward this to John, however, in hopes that you might get an answer. Thank you. Site Monitor]
"What about McCain's stance on Privatizing Social Security?"
"Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!"
"How about his stated desire to stay in Iraq for 100 years!"
"Michelle Obama is not proud of America!"
How about his "Bomb Bomb Iran Speech?"
"Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!"
Sorry, wrong thread, :)
I wonder how long will it take before people realize that black folks get just as outraged, frustrated and angry as anyone else. As I said before, this is a power issue. Anger is a show of power because it requires passion and action. And if anyone of color shows any type of action which turns the tables on the dominant culture (in which white folks feel helpless and impotent), then they are perceived as fear and a threat.
Is it no surprise that these white men on FOX berate black women? They are threatened by the power of a black woman's fury and anger. They feel emasculated. And as long as they are threatened with a sense of castration, then they are going to do anything to cease the fear.
What also isn't amazing is the fact that such a power struggle happens like that every day between people of color and white folks in terms of behavior, speech and knowledge. And as long as the lies continue about "race not existing" and that "no one sees a color", then this power struggle (and the malicious stereotypes about people of color) will continue. I guarantee it.
The thing here is to stop the lies of the dominant culture. It is time to subvert and resist "the lies" and stereotypes being pitched so that the racist mistreatment stops.
If worked right, Michelle Obama's place in the media could be a teaching tool about race, politics and agency. But what I am seeing across the blogosphere is the same old lies being peddled in order to pretend that race isn't there and that it only serves as a distraction.
General_Rennenkampf @ 16:
There should have never been a difference in rights to begin with.
archmunster @ 113:
You understood my point. Make your own choices, but that's not the point. Cal is talking about imagery. What we see on TV. Why don't you suggest some of your own?
Rosa Parks was not an angry black woman. Coretta Scott King was not an angry black woman.
Those are two examples off the top of my head. But even they ought to be angry without anyone telling them to do so.
correction: (last line): "....without anyone telling them not to do so..." :(
Sorry!!!
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Cal Thomas is being the typical angry OLD WHITE MAN FOXPRAVDA hires...
These sycophants are so wrapped up in their own spin, next they'll insist Obama is a white lesbian in drag out to infiltrate and undermine "traditional family values".
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I choose to support Michelle Obama and all the other ANGRY BLACK WOMEN even if I did not agree with her. The people in that video should all be fired. Not just because they made racist remarks but because they are too blind in their hatred to understand that they did something wrong. Michelle Obama is an American to be proud of unlike the thugs on Fox.
Cal thomas is a far right idiot. He's also clearly a sack of crap.
miss_kitty @ 117:
You're absolutely correct. However, considering that the 13th-15th Amendments and Reconstruction arguably would have made my region a better place to live, we Southerners should have swallowed our own damn pride and just let the Yanks turn us into something decent, instead of first the Black Codes, and then Jim Crow. Just like the Westerners should have co-existed with the Indians instead of slaughtering them, and also not interned Japanese, to boot.
anon @ 77:
Those same studies show that there are only three races, genetically. The San Bushmen, the Hazdabe, and everybody else.
And white skin itself is a random mutation that only arrived 13,000 years ago...
after dark-skinned modern humans removed whitey Neanderthals from Europe.
Funny how that works, ain't it?
maybe cal has been watching HBO lately. they have been playing norbit and big mommas house alot.
So, some people are still stuck with arguing that "race doesn't exist" instead of simply giving Black folks their due of being powerful and as angry as they like. Genetics is not going to stop the divisions based on color in this society by the dominant culture. Science has already done the damage toward this end.
But then again, anything to perpetuate the same old lies in order to avoid frankly discussing race.
I told you in my previous posts that this would happen, and yes, it has come to pass. Whether it's Michelle Obama, Halle Berry, Lena Horne or Oprah, the same racist meme about "frightening and angry black women" continues because there are some that want to discuss the notion that race doesn't exist.
If race doesn't exist, why do white people have the authority to pronounce their attitudes about skin color and race on everyone else? Why is Michelle Obama being attacked in the MSM by white males if "race does not exist"?
Can anyone answer that?
The Very Bitter and Angry Ceci Hussein @ 127:
Simple, "race" in the US is a cultural concept more than a scientific one. The concept of "blacks" as a race evolved in the slavery days owing to American slavery being based on skin color, and the One-Drop Rule. "Indian" as a racial category provided a convenient lumping together of all those pesky natives. "Asian" typically is considered to be the East Asians, most Americans forget about the 1 billion Asian Indians, and that technically Jews and Arabs are Asians, too. "White" evolved as an ever-changing term for the group of Americans that, yes, includes very rich and powerful people, but also a large underclass of poor people that get the shaft just as much as the poor Indians and blacks do.
Race is a cultural context. Furthermore, "Hispanic" is not a race, it's a sociolinguistic group that includes all other "racial" categories. In places such as Europe and Africa, "race" would be categorized differently.
More mind-numbing "character/personality" politics. This is a sure sign that the corporatist, special interest groups are working hard behind the scenes in the communications sector. All hail the Mouse and the Light Bulb!!!
Okay, General_Rennenkampf, which race created these division? Why did they do it? Why did the said race continue to negotiate what is or isn't race related?
Secondly, race is more than a cultural concept. It is a political and economic one. That is one thing you should never forget.
That's why it behooves a particular race to say that it doesn't exist.
I live in L.A. and unfortunately, what he's saying is not that far from the truth. L.A. been generous in giving us black newspersons, but the news is what it is. Just about every major city in America is confronting rampant innercity gang murders, and often the families are on tv mad at the police.
Cal Thomas is a racist ass, and is not being benelovent here, in an effort to help resolve the issues of violence, he's been a rightwing slime merchant. That said, we lefties have to balance our liberalism with some accountability.
If Michelle Obama had just said, "I am very proud of my country," that would have been one less piece of ammunitiion the assholes would have had. All she needs to do is visit the recent past, and see how Bill's big mouth did so much harm to Hilary.
What traitors out there are still watching Fox tv shows of any kind, let alone the fake propaganda called (gallingly) Fox News? M U S T S T O P M U R D O C H ! ! ! Do so by not helping him gain income. Don't be a viewer of any FOX shows, even the ones that SEEM TO be anti-establishment, such as The Simpsons. You are simply providing money to Murdoch to do the propaganda crap.
fox is just the visual whipped cream on top of the talk radio turd pie of lies. racist idiots like thomas would never have the soapboxes they do if they didn't have the talk radio repetition and reach behind them. and that is only possible because reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine 20 years ago and gave these bozos the biggest soapbox in the country- one that's so big it reaches every corner of the country on Americas clearest stations. and they keep it despite being proven wrong about EVERYTHING important to this country and their call screeners make sure no one except the chosen can even call them.
The Very Bitter and Angry Ceci Hussein @ 130:
The answer is simple: the "White" race. Whites originally were Anglo-Saxons, then the dominant white groups shifted to the Irish and the Germans. There's little remaining of the pure Anglo-Saxon America, it hasn't existed since 1865. Nowadays, most American whites are descended from Germans and Irish and Celts in general.
The whites created the groups because after they moved to the New World, they had the chance to create the societies that pleased them. Most whites were either indentured servants or former noblemen and peasants looking for something new. When indentured servitude became too much of a bother for the white ruling class, they tried Amerindian slavery. When that didn't work out either, the blacks became the slaves. The white ruling class has retained a very specific geographical base in its various regions, most decisions are made by either wealthy New Englanders or the descendants of the former planters.
Why whites negotiate the boundaries of race relations? They're the dominant group and want it to stay that way. This phenomenon manifested in the past by Sundown Towns and ghettos and Jim Crow and the Klan. Whites have always been a rather paranoid bunch with relatively little reason.
And are you trying to insult me by telling me stuff that's glaringly obvious to anyone with one working braincell?
What would you expect from a white supremacist fucktard like Cal Thomas. I remember when he, John Lofton and Jerry Falwell went to South Africa in 1985 (or 86) to make propaganda for the apartheid regime, and called Desmond Tutu a "phony".
Maybe they are angry because Cal Thomas is on TV
Listen to all of you hypocritical White-haters. Youre all pathetic! Get a fucking life cowards! Stop hating yourselves and your own people! Caucasiopaths really do need psychiatric help!
Andy K Jong Il @ 49:
I'm happy to see that I'm not the only person who gets annoyed by the indiscriminate use of the term "MILF". For my money, my #1 MILF is Mary McDonnell.
That slime ball Cal Thomas used to be syndicated to our local rag. I always made it a point to save his column and use it for bird cage floor liner. At least that gives his right wing non sense scribbles some minimally useful value. It's time to shred these NeoCons.
James @ 137:
I understand your anger, my friend. When I can't get the stains out of my white hood/robe combo, I get pissed!
This is just the republicans showing their true nature as they have in the last seven years of destroying our constitution and country.
They wave the flag and open their?? bible and then every thing comes out of the mouth and policeis except the teaching of Jesus.
They have proven they are hyprocritic criminals which will do any d... thing it takes to have control and the wealth of this nation.
Just look at New Orleans , Iraq invasion , the destruction of our constitution / laws and how they have treated our military , seniors , poor and the average work person.
Bush and his military sheep keep telling us they have 160,00 something soldiers in Iraq , but THEY HAVE OVER 180,000 PRIVATE MERCENARY CRIMINALS TEARING THE HELL OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND STEALING THE AMERICAN CITIZENS BLIND...
Cal Thomas must not be watching the news in DC. In a city that's 60% African American, and one that has a crime rate far too high, it's not uncommon to see one of the African American reporters/anchors talking with an African American mother (or other relative) about the violent death of a child. What I find remarkable is how calm most of these women seem to be. There is emotion over the loss of a child, but it's very often a quiet acceptance of something they cannot change. The grace many of these mother exhibit is more than I would probably be capable of.
BAC
James @ 37,
We don't hate all white's, and certainly not ourselves. Just the hate mongering morons on Fox News who push racism in order to skirt the issues. Issues the rich white repukes used to screw everyone else who wasn't a crony of theirs.
Why do you hate white's who hate those (repuke fascist's) kind of white's?
Oops. That would be James @ 137.
General_Rennenkampf @ 125:
Republican's won't listen to what you're saying. To most of them, the earth is only 6,000 years old.
Repubs resorting to the southern strategy all over again.
I love it when these pricks show how small-minded and racist they really are.
Now, if we can just have McCain's anger problem associated with ALL the angry white men who host every show on Fox. i mean, make that Middle America's instant assumption. Especially the women who are married to men like Cal.
When Cal Thomas was a teenager he defecated in paper bags and then lit them on people's front porches. And laughed about how ANGRY the victims of his harassment were. As an adult this puke continues to ignite his turds but now calls it commentary. Thomas, I may not be one of those "angry black women" but I know righteous indignation when I see it. If you practiced any of the teachings of the faith you besmirch with your holier-than-thou pyrofecal attacks, you might witness less vitriol and more reason in the responses you elicit. You are less a follower of Christ and more despicable than any pharisee who ever drew breath. I pray I never meet you.
I love everybody,James.It's white people like Cal Thomas,that make me sick.You have misunderstood us.
Michelle Obama is running for president???? Fox is so f#$%ing dumb!!!
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