Karl Rove lashes out at NYT for identifying CIA agent
By Steve Benen Tuesday Jun 24, 2008 8:00pmSometimes, the irony is so overwhelming, I have to wonder if it’s some kind of satirical performance art, and I’m just not in on the joke. Consider this fascinating exchange between Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove on Fox News last night:
There are two key angles to this. First, the NYT article did, in fact, identify the CIA interrogator who questioned Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. The article characterizes him as one of the good guys, gaining information through non-abusive means. Indeed, the interrogator, who refused training on how to waterboard a detainee, established a rapport with the terrorist — which “astonished his fellow C.I.A. officers” — by talking and bringing KSM food. The article, in other words, wasn’t a slam job.
So why include his name? It was a judgment call, but the Times explained that the interrogator “had never worked under cover and that others involved in the campaign against Al Qaeda have been named in news stories and books. The editors judged that the name was necessary for the credibility and completeness of the article.” Whether one finds this responsible or not is open to debate.
But for Karl Rove to have the chutzpah to lambaste the Times for this is extraordinary.
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Primus. One would expect anything different from this human pustule?
And we're surprised by this?
Rove should be indicted in the Plame matter.
Rought transcript:
Bill O': quack quack quack quack quack
Rove: wonka wonka wonka
Bill O': quack?
Rove: wonka!
Fab.
The audacity of the little puke never ceases to amaze me. He's the master of projection, not to mention a very sick and twisted man.
Oh, Karl! Shut up please!
arrogant hypocrite
crooks and liars posts the latest "outrage"
we respond with "is any one surprised?"
next day repeat and rinse....
what a fucking tired scenario
Dang, did those two make out in O,Reillys, dressing room after that love fest?
Wow! Absolutely zero Journalistic integrity by O'Reilly...........unfriggin' believable.
The Bush Rovers have no ethics or morals.
This statement by Mr. Rove is comparable to statements made by Pres. Mugabe and his cohorts.
The ends always justifies the means. It not about governance, but rather the retention of power.
Just as the country club demockrats eschew the constitution in the FISA roll over. Good doggie, fetch, now sit and beg.
So the White House is trying to clean up loose ends.
And Scotty McClellan is making the gang look bad.
What to do?
Ask your friends at the New York Times to write an article about interrogation. Tell them to include the name of a CIA agent (real or fictional, it makes no difference) in an article.
Then step back and point at the Grey Lady with an accusing finger.
See? They expose agents too.
Sometimes you just gotta make your own counterspin.
one word.........HYPOCRITE
aster @ 8:
Do you have any suggestions as to another set of actions or circumstances.
Karl, you put the "unmitigated" in gall.
plump pale maggot
I'm outing Rove right now-
He is a War Criminal and a turd.
The difference? No one was killed by this outing. Not that sure about KKKarl and Plame.
Read # 11 again.
Heraclitus is right on the money.
The last 12 seconds says it all. Of course neither of these sociopaths see it, but then that's the nature of a sociopath isn't it? By definition O'Reilly and Rove are classic examples.
"Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others"
Mickxotic @ 15:
pug nosed puffed up putz.
Every time Rove opens his mouth a monster turd falls out
Typical. Turn the accusation to the accusers.
"They think you, Mr. Rove, put the country at risk". "everyday"
Well of course, if the other side does it it's indefensible treason!
If your side does it, there's an explanation: "one of the good guys, gaining information through non-abusive means. Indeed, the interrogator, who refused training on how to waterboard a detainee, established a rapport with the terrorist — which “astonished his fellow C.I.A. officers” — by talking and bringing KSM food"
The only thing that I'm perplexed by- The NYT is on your side?
Buon giorno America, I see that Hypocrisy is still running rampant in the GOP.
Are the news channels covering this stuff, and if so is everyone laughing?
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maybe the secret to being Karl Rove is enjoying blatant hypocrisy.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 24:
Keith Olberman did this evening.
Sorry... I can't even bear to open the video file... that's how badly KKKarl Rove turns my gut inside out.
And let me also add this: I haven't seen or heard of ANY content this man has offered in the last two years that was worth a bucket of warm spit.
Ahh, the continuing wonders of Turd Blossom. May all your omnipresent lies and deceit deliver you from the fruitful jail cell.
Heraclitus @ 11:
you may be right but Rove is not off the hook which i know your not saying.........this is the neo-republican game spread the blame...they throw shxt at me i'll throw shxt at them..... will both smell like shxt
Radically Moderate @ 27:
It's shameful if only Keith aired this story. I saw it on CNNI and the guy reading the story could hardly hold back his chuckles.
The SOB who outed the COVERT agent who was working on keeping IRAN from getting NUCLEAR materials is pissing and moaning because of THIS??? I think what really bothers him is that the guy wasn't using torture. That makes bushco look bad.
In respect of C&Ls policies I won't say what I want to but it involves rove, a rope and a tree. And several hundred million Americans.
for shame on Karl Rove for the obvious. But twice the shame goes to the pretend journalist o'reilley for not having the ethics even if he is a pretend newsperson to ask the question. The question is merely one of connecting the dots, even our ignorant middle america can do that...maybe.
Hate to sterotype; Paunchy pasty face chickenhawks rule the world.
#8 Aster (sorry to feed the trolls) What a tired scenario...etc...Think of this as some sort of support group. I suggest that most of the people here are pacifists. Some have been that way most of their lives (me) and some have been forced into situations where they were compelled to kill others as a simple act of survival and to protect their brothers. The "powers that be" have decided that they will not listen to us. Which clears the way for others, who have the same sense of outrage - but no particular need for pacifism. Revolution is never a pretty process. I fear that which is to come, but I am not surprised.
republican hypocrisy never ends, talk about the pot calling the kettel black? wow.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 31:
I caught CBS and nothing. Ditto for CNN. I haven't checked their website, but I'm not holding my breath.
It's funny that KKKarl talks about 'country club people' when he drives a Jaguar (remember there were pics of his car when the W.H. staff 'decorated' it for him on his last day?), and it's a known fact that Jaguar designs all their trunks to be able to hold at least one set of golf clubs, and they tout that as a selling feature to the type of people likely to buy a fucking Jaguar. Like KKKarl.
aster @ 8:
Seriously. Can we start building the guillotines already? I'm bored.
put o'reilly and rxve in a hot tub and toss them a plugged in hair dryer........i can't wait for these two to go away
Pimp Rove exposed under cover agent, Valery Plame,
as spiteful payback for something that went against
his grain,putting her life in danger. That is the way
this venomous snake operates.
We donot know why The NY Times published the
the CIA interrogator's name.
These people have gone from batshit crazy to ape-shit insane.
I can not believe anybody takes them serious.
An individual would have to be opperationg at a severe mental deficit
in order to believe their garbage.
Pfeh. It has been established that Karl Rove's chutzpah will not be exhausted for even centuries after he has died. The NYT should have put a postscript on the piece that they knew he'd flip, but their judgment was that it was the right thing to do in the circumstance. No brainer.
Hubris is and easy thing to have when one has no shame and no conscience.
Pot, meet Kettle!
Dead ringer for "Piggy" from "Lord of the Flies"
Turd blossom doesn't even have a college degreee.
He'll talk to O'Reilly but not Congress? Hmm.
B
they were teammates once, when they outed plame.
wha' happen'?
Actually....I just read the article tonight and I have to say that for once I agree with Rove, not that I don't think it takes a lot of gall for him to be the one to say it. For all the times the Administration has fraudulently used "national security" as an excuse to keep its own misdeeds hidden, I thought this was actually a legitimate case of Too Much Information. They they revealed a lot of things they shouldn't have, both about how Al Qaeda works and how the CIA works. And the article purported to argue both sides of the torture issue, but it also suggested that KSM MIGHT have flipped because of the torture, or because of the combination of torture and psychologically astute interrogation. There was no example described in the article of an Al Qaeda operative revealing crucial information after being interrogated without being tortured first. Maybe this was a case of clever counterspin, as someone a few comments ahead of me suggested.
RCanaga @ 44:
kettle, meet pot.
:<[)
Up is down, in is out, white is black, day is night . . . .
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I bet it isn't the interrogator's real name.
Did anyone else notice Rove's anal sphincter tighten when Billo said "Plame" towards the end? It was like someone electrocuted his... oh, nevermind.
Waitaminnit...
Isnt that how american and british interrogators got information out of captured nazi officers? they established a repoire with them and got the officers to trust the interrogators to a point where they felt they could speak freely...and gave up vital information....
so...what wouldve happened if we'd used torture instead?
the hue of deputy chief of staff's tie would seem to indicate he owes no allegiance to democrats, republicans, greens, gays, libertarians or black panthers.
the yellow must surely either indicate a yellow belly coward or a man tap-dancing on the sunny side of the street in his pennyloafers 'cause he just spilled the beans on the entire neocon racket...
any thoughts? i'm a coupla cans short of a 6-pack tonight so i may not be providing the most sage insight...
Mickxotic @ 35:
"troll"? moi?
support group or whiners anonymous?
i have no "fix" or solution for any of this,just made an observation
of what happens daily here at this site..
guess im one of the anonymous whiners..
..
there will be no revolution
those times are over
we are fat and lazy and addicted
...
now take away our gadgets and fast food and i bet youll see real revolt
...
for now just shut up (not you specifically mixcotic) and take it
the CIA interrogator . . . refused training on how to waterboard a detainee, established a rapport with the terrorist — which “astonished his fellow C.I.A. officers”— by talking and bringing KSM food.
Here is the pragmatic reason (apart from the humane reason) why no civilized country uses torture. Torture works poorly, if at all, while carefully establishing a rapport with the subject does.
I believe this Bill O & Turd Blossom routine was intended as a fishing expedition, to attract such a huge reaction to their stupendously feckless comparison, that it obscures the interrogator’s undesired demonstration of the futility of their interrogation techniques.
For almost eight years I've read about the smart ruthless "bush's brain". Was he looking for weeks of ridicule to help check his ego? What could possibly be going through his peabrain to make such a statement after only avoiding conviction for outing Plame by running to the Grand Jusry and recanting his perjury and had the POTUS intercede to keep his fat pink ass out of prison.
I think he's still going to be tried and convicted for Siegelman. But what a complete fool.
Somebody gonna get that punk sooner or later.
moondancer @ 58:
I'd like to see rove here!
I also don't accept the premise that there would be no punnishment for someone who refused to do what ashcroft and rumsfeld wanted.
Sorry! I'm not buying that line of crap
Shorter Karl Rove: "How dare the New York Time reveal the identity of a CIA agent! That's my job."
jitter @ 23, trust me, you're perplexed by much more then that!
What's wrong with Karl's face? I don't see any steel bars in front of it, that's what!
O'Reilly was right at the end, Rove does put our country at risk. I'll just got with that.
chris [not the troll] @ 38, re: guillotines: much to quick!
jackiesshrink @ 49, A) this guy was NOT a covert agent!!! B) there is no credible case of an Al Qaeda operative revealing crucial information after being interrogated WITH being tortured first! Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't!
Hey jackiesshrink @ 49, maybe THIS is the credible crucial information you're talking about? - "It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
rove is not dummy.
He knows he can say whatever he want because a) o'reilly won't call him out on it.
b) Americans have the attention span of a....wait a minute, is "Idol" on tonight?
Noting the irony is the best you can do? Did you have an actionable strategy to counter this development? Or is this just one more (after thousands) of blown political opportunities for liberals that will likewise be forgotten in two days?
David Hill @ 54, BINGO! We probably would have lost the war. Which if you'll remember was at the time exactly what both bush and rove's granfathers most definitly wanted. Think about it!
your mama @ 70, I think every one has been waiting for your insightful actionable strategy. But I could be wrong.
#13
I have a scenario. Karl Rove is beaten to death and no-one knows how it happened.With the exception of some Muke saying it was a small price to pay for freedom and sanity. Is that what you meant?
hey you fat fuck...how did armitage find out about plame??? cuz you and cheney told him
and an entire operation was shut down when plame was outed
which operation??? the one which would tell us whether or not iran does indeed posses wmd
why is this fat fuck not rotting in prison???
For BillO and Karl,
So why did, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby Inmate#28301-016 not tell the truth?
What was he holding back and why ?
And how did Armatage happen to come across A undercover CIA named Plame that happened to be Mr Wilson's wife? Particularly after Joe Wilson wrote his item on lack of evidence that Saddam was getting Yellow Cake from Niger?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BM0zJl9Bxk8
The part with rove comes on around 3:50.
1972 CBS News Nixon campaign footage.
Me thinks Karl probally didn't get laid to much back in the day.
Rove and Orielly are the reasons that the working class goes out of their way to build those gated communities. It isn't to keep us out.!
The gated communities is to keep them in. For their own protection. Oh, and our peace of mind.
Now that KKkarl Rove has been on O'Really several times recently and they've shown him in close up - I'm beginning to notice a striking resemlance to Rush Limpballa! I'm starting to think that maybe they were twins separated at birth - or, maybe CLONES>!? That makes more sense when you listen to the crap that flows from them.....identical.
Well, Hitler used to rant about the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union murdering their own people on a regular basis.
Isn't cognitive dissonance a wonderful thing?
wheeee @ 76:
you would be wrong sir
cuz karl was gettin lots of repug dick...right up the fat ass
i hear he can squeal like a pig real good
Wow, the irony is amazing. The fact that Karl Rove is even commenting on this is so ironic. He should be found guilty of treason and THEN be on tv, explaining why his own treason is less important than anything else.
This man belongs in jail. It's as simple as that. Anything else is just pure stupidity.
The bigheaded bastard is a sociopath, we can expect nothing less than this from him. I am just looking for to his long imprisonment, on the one of many issues his fingersprints are all over.
Once again, the republickers pot calling everyone else black.
The rule with Rove is that he eventually accuses some Democrat of doing every evil thing he has done. His public utterances read like a long confession.
My all time favorite was his line about how here in America some elections really are starting to look like they are run by colonels in mirrored sun-glasses. I would have paid handsomely for an opportunity to pop up next to him at the podium when he said that, handed him a pair of shades and said, "um, excuse me, Colonel Rove, you dropped these on your way to the podium."
I disagree. The media should report any and all info it can get its hands on. If the info they print is classified or top secret, then how did they get it in the first place? We need to stop blaming the media and focus on who keeps giving them info "they shouldn't have". If the agent's name is already available through legal and public means, then there is no issue. If the name isn't readily available, whoever supplied the name to the journalist is who needs to have the hammer dropped on them, not the journalist.
Journalists aren't national security gurus. They're privy to alot of info, but not all of it. Why are we putting the burden of national security onto them? It's not their job. We elect officials who in turn appoint people to take control of these important matters. It's THEIR job to know what is and isn't a matter of national security. Once we start saying it's the media's job, and try to hold them accountable for printing information on issues they're not qualified to quantify, then we are essentially tying their hands behind their backs, and severly cripple their ability to provide us even regular non-national security info.
Something as mundane as "the president's favorite candy bar" could lead to that brand being tampered with and presenting a threat to the president's health, and thus becomes an issue of national security. Would you blame the journalist if someone tampered with the president's Twix bar? No, because he/she isn't a national security expert who would see that coming.
And again, if this info does turn out to be "too much info", don't look at the media, look at who gave that info to the media.
sigh.
Rove attacks others where his own interests are weakest.
And MSM keep reporting it.
Please learn this technique, people.
It. is. not. new.
Well, there's one the next prez needs to do for the Agent identified:
Give him a medal of honor. And a pension actually worthy of the work and service.
Perhaps a Congressional Medal of Honor (but that comes from a Congress in possession of honor, right?)
Oh, and promote him to director.
Someone should out the whole CIA. It needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up. Inefficiency, ideological infighting,myopic bubble vision and good old bureaucratic inertia are rendering it obsolete. Also redundancy with so many intelligence agencies in each branch of the military. What to speak of secret prisons "renderings" (read kidnappings) Read "The Brits Do It Better" by David Cole in the NRB 6-12-08 issue. Cops and robbers approach works better.
James Bamford of "The Puzzle Palace" and "Body Of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency" is back w/ an article about the Bush administrations wrong and ultimately disastrous approach to fighting terrorism. http://harpers.org/archive/2007/06/0081553 Sorry I don't how to give you an clickable link. On my list of things to learn.
James Bamford, author of "The Puzzle Palace" and "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency" is back with an article about the Bush administrations wrong and ultimately disastrous approach to fighting terrorists. OK it's a year old but...
Why are you surprised at anything Rove says? Remember he "makes" reality up as he goes along and uses all the hot button items to get you to think he knows what he is talking about. Basically he has the perfect criminal mind and he is able to lie without it affecting his conscience one iota.
They have a point. No one should out a CIA agent without permission, the journalism can be done without this. Oherwise it does strike me like a double standard. And Rove comes across as making a certain amount of sense, which he has no right to in this situation.
That said, turdball surely enjoyed the hypocrisy in this. He's a debater....if you ever watched a round of high school debate you surely see this as an extension--
A: embrace idea that is ridiculous to extend your argument
B: embrace even crazier idea that is far disconnected from reality but with a nuclear war scenario to extend your argument
Gregg Martinson @ 91:
C: Run the anarchist counter-plan in hopes of completely confusing the opposition
Then there is KKKarls favorite, threaten to have the judge's wife and children killed if he doesn't vote for you. Then kill them all anyway, they were witnesses.
waitta minute...isn't that the same Karl Rove who ohnevermind
Karl Rove lashes out at NYT for identifying CIA agent
Now that is what you call b*lls, especially after Valerie Plame. Hypocrite. Another case of do as I say, not as I do!
Is there a statute of limitations for treason?
83 Charles Covington Says: Once again, the republickers pot calling everyone else black.
Then they take away their vote, and try to move them to the back of the bus.
One: Did the interrogator ask to speak off the record?
Two: Valerie Plame was a WMD expert, the supposed Causus Beli for our invasion
Three: When two interrogators leave the room, do they say, "See you later, interrogator?
97 ysbaddaden Says
Two: Valerie Plame was a WMD expert, the supposed Causus Beli for our invasion
I like having my beli scratched,
It makes my left leg shake like crazy.
They outed him because he refused to waterboard and proved it wasn't necessary.
Like a cop who does his job without taking bribes or kickbacks. It isn't the criminals who will get him, it's the dirty cops who will turn on anyone who won't be dirty with them.
Like Serpico getting shot in the face.
Cops and politicians who get off on being dirty consider anyone who won't be a sociopath with them their enemy and a threat to them. So they must destroy them.
Because they are sick fucks.
Spicegal @ 5:
I bet he's got quite a few skeletons in his closet...I hope one day he's exposed to the world as the pathetic little worm he truly is.
Litabell @ 95:
Not sure, but I don't think there is.
turdblossom doesn't believe in irony
he buys perma-press
And sweat actually cleans his suits.
Wait, wait, so leaking the name of someone in the NYT is bad because the NYT is "liberal" but when someone breaks the law like Rove it's a sign of "patriotism" because he is a "real American Conservative." This is post 911 America. Liberals and Democrats are the scourge of America, and Right Wingers are the "real americans." SOMEBODY PUT ROVE IS THE SLAMMER!
Karl Rove sounding principled and in full critical rationalist mode. Love it!!!!!!!!!!
can you or will you believe how much laughter rove, bush, rush, hannity et al are getting out of all of this. they must look at one another in amazement and say well they bought it again. the response, no way, that was way over the top. but in essence, the american people have been buying it all along. most of the rest of the world can see through these crooks and charlatans, it's just that middle america can't. if they have another son to fight and die for GW's war, they will gladly send their sons or daughters to Iraq to "protect our freedoms" or is the cause today to deliver democracy to those iraqees. The ignorance rules in this country. if it didn't bush and rove would both be behind bars.
Who gave this interrogator's name to the media? That's your culprit, not the journalist. A journalist's job is journalism, not national security.
I wonder how these guys like it when their own creepy friends throw them under the buss?
You lay down with snakes you get bit.
If Rove was asked to pick his favorite character in Lord of the Rings he would pick Wormtongue.
WOW listen to all these tolerant people in here, talk about hate!
It's never been proven that Rove outed Plame but it was proven that Armitage did, but that's not who you want to get. Poo hoo.
What a bunch of wusses.
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