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speaking of obama's flip flops...and now it's time for another episode of badly drawn political cartoons theater.

another photo-op tour among the suffering. he really likes to take pictures with his roadkill.

Waxwork Hitler beheaded in Berlin
Hitler waxwork at Madame Tussauds in Berlin

A man has been arrested after tearing the head off a wax figure of Adolf Hitler at a newly opened branch of Madame Tussauds in Berlin. A desk was supposed to keep people away from the waxwork

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7491280.stm

In a related story........

BERLIN — The U.S. has done the least among the world's eight largest economies to address global warming, a study released Thursday found.
The G-8 Climate Scorecards 2008, released Thursday ahead of next week's gathering of the Group of Eight on the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido, also found that none of the eight countries are making improvements large enough to prevent temperature increases that scientists think would cause catastrophic climate changes.

Dana Milbank from the Washington Post was lucky enough to get a seat at this weeks US Treasury conference given by the under secretary of the treasury. Talk about a real vote of confidence in the economy. This guy is about ready to crap in his pants. Nice to know everything is under control. Enjoy.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/07/03/VI20080703...

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

My frustration with the worse-than-do-nothing-Congress shows a way Democrats can become a great party again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHW9a_5u0yg

Tell your reps to 'Grow a Pair for America'!

Big shock, Rove won't honor the Congressional subpoena. So will Congress have him arrested? Just asking.

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

God told me he's never heard of Bush.

Leslie [Hussein] @ 8:

Big shock, Rove won't honor the Congressional subpoena. So will Congress have him arrested? Just asking.

Gee I hope, I hope, I hope!

Bush's tour... iT'S GONNA BE A L-O-N-G TRIP.

I love the onion!

Why do these people sound more like real reporters than real reporters do anymore?

Andrew at @5, tell me that is a parody! Because it just scared the crap out of me!

Leslie [Hussein] @ 9:

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

God told me he's never heard of Bush.

Moses did, but that Bush was burning.

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

He wasn't able to get Social Security "reform" passed.

Attila the Neopopulist, no Stomach for Imperial Adventures @ 3:

Waxwork Hitler beheaded in Berlin
Hitler waxwork at Madame Tussauds in Berlin

A man has been arrested after tearing the head off a wax figure of Adolf Hitler at a newly opened branch of Madame Tussauds in Berlin. A desk was supposed to keep people away from the waxwork

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7491280.stm

Is there a Bush wax works somewhere that we can do that to as well?

Hell LibertyLover, I agree! Just look at the response Bush gets everywhere he goes. Violent protests (not that MSM will show you), Being 'heckled' at speeches. Heckled? They are PROTESTERS! Don't you love how MSM downplays Bush's follies?

Leslie [Hussein] @ 8:

Big shock, Rove won't honor the Congressional subpoena. So will Congress have him arrested? Just asking.

How does one "not honor" a supena. What's the protocol? Do you call 'em up on the phone, and leave a message with a secretary...:

"Hello, Mr. Conyers please. This is KKKarl Rove." "He's in a meeting? OK, well tell him "Thanks, but I don't think I can make it, you know, about the supena thing." "Yea, that's right. I'm really sorry that I can't comply. If Mr. Conyers has any questions, he can call the White House switchboard... that's right, the 1-800 number, and have him ask for the president." "OK? Thanks."

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

misery accomplished republicans, please can the village that wrought this idiot on us take him back?

Andrew @ 5:

Dana Milbank from the Washington Post was lucky enough to get a seat at this weeks US Treasury conference given by the under secretary of the treasury. Talk about a real vote of confidence in the economy. This guy is about ready to crap in his pants. Nice to know everything is under control. Enjoy.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/07/03/VI2008070302627.html

Typical Bushie ideologue doesn't know WTF to do, and they're running our government.

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

Oh good! Can't wait to read them.

Well people, let's start stocking up on food and pray for the best. Hell I started my own vegetables months ago when the Feds let us down with the samonela scare. Jeez, between the poisoned toys and pet food, you would think they would get it right, but then again, the Repugs hate government, and have pretty much destroyed it! Way to go Bushites!

Hi, Ms Joanne and Leslie ... those Sibel Edmonds documents will prove very interesting. I just hope nothing bad happens to her in the meantime. Stay safe, Sibel, we need you.

calgarylady @ 25:

Hi, Ms Joanne and Leslie ... those Sibel Edmonds documents will prove very interesting. I just hope nothing bad happens to her in the meantime. Stay safe, Sibel, we need you.

Sibel makes Denny Hastert nervous

P.D. @ 17:

Hell LibertyLover, I agree! Just look at the response Bush gets everywhere he goes. Violent protests (not that MSM will show you), Being 'heckled' at speeches. Heckled? They are PROTESTERS! Don't you love how MSM downplays Bush's follies?

Yes, they were protesters, but I don't call the msm the msm anymore, because they truly are the CORPORATE MEDIA. It is a much more apt name and a good way to reframe them.

calgarylady @ 25:

Hi, Ms Joanne and Leslie ... those Sibel Edmonds documents will prove very interesting. I just hope nothing bad happens to her in the meantime. Stay safe, Sibel, we need you.

She has a pretty good organization of people going there. The National Security Whistleblowers Coalition. Check out the members. I think whatever she has is in pretty good hands...no matter what. I, to, wish her godspeed. She is a brave woman.

John Edwards and human-swine Karl Rove to debate at a Distinguished Speakers Series gig at University at Buffalo. I'd love to see this trial lawyer versus a rightwing hack and a miserable disgrace to the GOP. Rove better come up with something other than his usual spin, or else he'll be porkrines by the end of the debate.

calgarylady @ 25:

Hi, Ms Joanne and Leslie ... those Sibel Edmonds documents will prove very interesting. I just hope nothing bad happens to her in the meantime. Stay safe, Sibel, we need you.

Hi CalgaryLady,
The Bushies have tried to silence her and continue to largely ignore her. Despite that, as Ms. Joanne points out, she has a pretty good organization backing her, plus some senators and the Project on Government Oversight. I think she's going to be OK.

StirFry @ 29:

John Edwards and human-swine Karl Rove to debate at a Distinguished Speakers Series gig at University at Buffalo. I'd love to see this trial lawyer versus a rightwing hack and a miserable disgrace to the GOP. Rove better come up with something other than his usual spin, or else he'll be porkrines by the end of the debate.

Let's hope Edwards slices and dices Rove into pork rinds. That's a debate I'd like to see too: just to watch how Edwards does it. Rove is sooo deserving of being pork rinds.

CalgaryLady...how rude of me.

Hi there! :-)

Don't you love the newscasters anymore? A buch of rich grad students who look good for the camera. When was the last time Anderson Cooper or Alex Witt had to fill up their gas tanks? Or better yet, worry about it? All they have to do is show up, and read the MSM teleprompter and look intelligent. And don't forget the old war-horses like Buchanan and Matthews and their 'conservative' bent. Makes me want to reach for the Prozac.

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

Cool. I'm glad to see this come up again. I read about it a couple of years ago, and I found a bookmark from BradBlog. I always wondered what happened after that. thx!

Hey MsJoanne, no problemo :-)

MsJoanne @ 32:

CalgaryLady...how rude of me.

Hi there! :-)

Ladies, how are you tonight?

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

...on the other hand...Just how fucking bad would it have to get for the Democtrats to do something about it?!?! Whos on our side?

Feeling fine here in the hinterland, Ron. Big mosquitos, though. How are things with you this evening ?

StirFry, check out the link I posted above. There are a bunch of links beyond (and including BradBlog). Some very good reference material to be sure.

Hey Ron!

calgarylady @ 38:

Feeling fine here in the hinterland, Ron. Big mosquitos, though. How are things with you this evening ?

Just got here but doing fine.

skippy @ 1:

speaking of obama's flip flops...and now it's time for another episode of badly drawn political cartoons theater.

its a start, should imcrease greatly with the sellouts before november, might even be a comic book in this somewhere!

HDon@37, I think nobody gives a crap about, we, the little people anymore. By the time they get to Washington, the stink is on them. From the lobbyists who fund their campaigns, to Conglomerates. Sigh!

Thanks MsJoanne, yep, I see them. This is much bigger than the Plame case. Let's hope she's not "suicided" and that she's well protected.

About time you picked this one up. An instant classic.

Ron @ 40:

calgarylady @ 38:

Feeling fine here in the hinterland, Ron. Big mosquitos, though. How are things with you this evening ?

Just got here but doing fine.

Hi Ron! Hope you've had a good weekend so far?

CalgaryLady,
You know what works on mosquito bites? You'll laugh: Meat tenderizer. You rub it into the bite with a little water and it'll take the itch out really well. Mosquitos love to eat me and I'm allergic to insects. This is the only thing that's worked for me. It's the papaya, something in the papaya that counteracts bites. Try it.

StirFry @ 43:

Thanks MsJoanne, yep, I see them. This is much bigger than the Plame case. Let's hope she's not "suicided" and that she's well protected.

Ditto!!

Leslie [Hussein] @ 31:

StirFry @ 29:

John Edwards and human-swine Karl Rove to debate at a Distinguished Speakers Series gig at University at Buffalo. I'd love to see this trial lawyer versus a rightwing hack and a miserable disgrace to the GOP. Rove better come up with something other than his usual spin, or else he'll be porkrines by the end of the debate.

Let's hope Edwards slices and dices Rove into pork rinds. That's a debate I'd like to see too: just to watch how Edwards does it. Rove is sooo deserving of being pork rinds.

If his last debate with Alan Colmes is any indication, Rove will be served as pig nipples n milk sauce .

I would like to most highly recommend a video newly put up at larouchepac.com, “1932.”

Those who hate FDR and what he stood for will hate this video. Among many other valuable ideas, it also contains oodles of rare historical political cartoons and movie footage.

The hi-res (MP4) version is just over 700Mb, but well worth the effort even if you have to take a long time to download it. I play this MP4 (and about every other vid format) using the excellent and free stand-alone MPUI, This MP4 is also compatible with Quicktime / iTunes and VLC. A link to (the free) VLC is available at the site, right next to the video link.

StirFry @ 47:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 31:

StirFry @ 29:

John Edwards and human-swine Karl Rove to debate at a Distinguished Speakers Series gig at University at Buffalo. I'd love to see this trial lawyer versus a rightwing hack and a miserable disgrace to the GOP. Rove better come up with something other than his usual spin, or else he'll be porkrines by the end of the debate.

Let's hope Edwards slices and dices Rove into pork rinds. That's a debate I'd like to see too: just to watch how Edwards does it. Rove is sooo deserving of being pork rinds.

If his last debate with Alan Colmes is any indication, Rove will be served as pig nipples n milk sauce .

Yuk, you trying to make me hurl?

i guess now that its looking more and more like it will be a democrat we will see more events like Murtha flipping.. Same war different guard. What a fucking joke.

oh well at least the Supreme Court wont be full of nut jobs.

right??

rend @ 50:

i guess now that its looking more and more like it will be a democrat we will see more events like Murtha flipping.. Same war different guard. What a fucking joke.

oh well at least the Supreme Court wont be full of nut jobs.

right??

You mean with a Democrat in the White House, at least the Supreme Court will maintain its current balance. Because Stevens and Bader-Ginsburg will probably resign soon.

rend @ 50:

i guess now that its looking more and more like it will be a democrat we will see more events like Murtha flipping.. Same war different guard. What a fucking joke.

oh well at least the Supreme Court wont be full of nut jobs.

right??

uhhh ya!sure certainly uh maby!

Andrew @ 5:

Dana Milbank from the Washington Post was lucky enough to get a seat at this weeks US Treasury conference given by the under secretary of the treasury. Talk about a real vote of confidence in the economy. This guy is about ready to crap in his pants. Nice to know everything is under control. Enjoy.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/07/03/VI2008070302627.html

* cue Kevin Bacon in Animal House nervously shouting "EVERYONE REMAIN CALM! DO NOT PANIC!" *

Ron @ 49:

StirFry @ 47:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 31:

StirFry @ 29:
Let's hope Edwards slices and dices Rove into pork rinds. That's a debate I'd like to see too: just to watch how Edwards does it. Rove is sooo deserving of being pork rinds.

If his last debate with Alan Colmes is any indication, Rove will be served as pig nipples n milk sauce .

Yuk, you trying to make me hurl?

Haha...comeon, you never had pig nipples!? You don't know what you're missing. It's like a cow tongue but less "livery."

Good stuff, Ron. Thanks for the mosquito bite remedy, Leslie, meat tenderizer is on my next shopping list to be sure.

This being an open thread, US army deserter Joshua Key, a combat engineer who fled to Canada in March 2005 with his wife and children, won his appeal in Ottawa yesterday to apply for refugee status. He was involved in military-condoned home invasions against Iraqi civilians. His role was to blow open the doors with explosives and then round up the male occupants who would then be abused, humiliated, and much worse.

The Court ruled that he had witnessed enough human rights abuses during his 8-month army stint that he could qualify for asylum. A small victory for the patriots, at last !

StirFry @ 54:

Ron @ 49:

StirFry @ 47:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 31:
If his last debate with Alan Colmes is any indication, Rove will be served as pig nipples n milk sauce .

Yuk, you trying to make me hurl?

Haha...comeon, you never had pig nipples!? You don't know what you're missing. It's like a cow tongue but less "livery."

I was referring to the Rove part.

StirFry @ 29:

John Edwards and human-swine Karl Rove to debate at a Distinguished Speakers Series gig at University at Buffalo. I'd love to see this trial lawyer versus a rightwing hack and a miserable disgrace to the GOP. Rove better come up with something other than his usual spin, or else he'll be porkrines by the end of the debate.

Crime boss Rove should be in prison by the time this debate is scheduled, but if he's pardoned by America's #1 enemy - Dubya, and he's around to actually attend, then I'd pay good money to see John Edwards take Karl Rove to the woodshed for the beating of his life.

is the russert funeral over or are we all still supposed to be in mourning? not sure what protocol is on the death of MegaGods.

Site Monitor: The whining is tiresome. On one lousy thread about the man's death we asked you to be respectful. He was not even buried yet. And yet weeks later, we still have people like you crying because you couldn't give in to all the ugliness in your heart. Grow up.

Good evening all. I hope everybody enjoyed their holiday.

calgarylady @ 55:

Good stuff, Ron. Thanks for the mosquito bite remedy, Leslie, meat tenderizer is on my next shopping list to be sure.

This being an open thread, US army deserter Joshua Key, a combat engineer who fled to Canada in March 2005 with his wife and children, won his appeal in Ottawa yesterday to apply for refugee status. He was involved in military-condoned home invasions against Iraqi civilians. His role was to blow open the doors with explosives and then round up the male occupants who would then be abused, humiliated, and much worse.

The Court ruled that he had witnessed enough human rights abuses during his 8-month army stint that he could qualify for asylum. A small victory for the patriots, at last !

So...you're saying there is still hope?

Hiya, Peter!

Peter G @ 59:

Good evening all. I hope everybody enjoyed their holiday.

I think I've lost the holiday spirit until we have a new reason to.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...

Good evening, Peter G. I always enjoy holidays ... or any excuse to party for that matter, hehe ...

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

When Bush "went to the UN a second time to get authorization for the Iraq War" .. Bush administration operatives were spying on the deliberations held by the non-permanent members of the Security Council, even when their meetings were held in "secure" rooms.

When these non-permanent members of the Security Council discussed - in a "secure" room - their alternatives to bombing Saddam, they all received phone calls from American operatives immediately after the meeting telling them not to even think such thoughts or their respective countries would suffer the consequences.

And another whistleblower - some translator working for British intelligence whose name escapes me - revealed a message sent by US intelligence requesting assistance in bugging the personal residences and communications of these same UN diplomats.

So it would come as no surprise to discover that the "Cowboys" in the CIA, FBI and who knows what other clandestine thugs would be eavesdropping on Congress, perhaps even blackmailing a few Congresspersons.

Ron @ 61:

Peter G @ 59:

Good evening all. I hope everybody enjoyed their holiday.

I think I've lost the holiday spirit until we have a new reason to.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-independence-2007.html

Is that xoites work by any chance?

MountainMan23 @ 63:

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

When Bush "went to the UN a second time to get authorization for the Iraq War" .. Bush administration operatives were spying on the deliberations held by the non-permanent members of the Security Council, even when their meetings were held in "secure" rooms.

When these non-permanent members of the Security Council discussed - in a "secure" room - their alternatives to bombing Saddam, they all received phone calls from American operatives immediately after the meeting telling them not to even think such thoughts or their respective countries would suffer the consequences.

And another whistleblower - some translator working for British intelligence whose name escapes me - revealed a message sent by US intelligence requesting assistance in bugging the personal residences and communications of these same UN diplomats.

So it would come as no surprise to discover that the "Cowboys" in the CIA, FBI and who knows what other clandestine thugs would be eavesdropping on Congress, perhaps even blackmailing a few Congresspersons.

I don't have any doubts at all, but I haven't seen anything to document this. Perhaps Sibel Evans will bring out some info.

Peter G @ 64:

Ron @ 61:

Peter G @ 59:

Good evening all. I hope everybody enjoyed their holiday.

I think I've lost the holiday spirit until we have a new reason to.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-independence-2007.html

Is that xoites work by any chance?

No, it was mine but he posted it on his site.

Peter G @ 64:

Ron @ 61:

Peter G @ 59:

Good evening all. I hope everybody enjoyed their holiday.

I think I've lost the holiday spirit until we have a new reason to.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-independence-2007.html

Is that xoites work by any chance?

Sorry Ron I got it backwards. Nice work.

So true, MountainMan23, there's so much criminality going on behind the scenes ... it's gonna knock our socks off if we ever actually find out what's been happening behind our backs.

Peter G @ 67:

Peter G @ 64:

Ron @ 61:

Peter G @ 59:
I think I've lost the holiday spirit until we have a new reason to.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-independence-2007.html

Is that xoites work by any chance?

Sorry Ron I got it backwards. Nice work.

Thank you. I did it last year at about this time.

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

Fascinating link MsJoanne but I don't think spying on politicians or indeed anyone in the U.S is anything new. You have to wonder how a homosexual cross- dresser managed to stay as head of the FBI long after his best-before date? J Edgar's personal files would probably make the most fascinating reading and proved to be the most wonderful insulation against forced retirement.

Ron @ 65:

MountainMan23 @ 63:

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

When Bush "went to the UN a second time to get authorization for the Iraq War" .. Bush administration operatives were spying on the deliberations held by the non-permanent members of the Security Council, even when their meetings were held in "secure" rooms.

When these non-permanent members of the Security Council discussed - in a "secure" room - their alternatives to bombing Saddam, they all received phone calls from American operatives immediately after the meeting telling them not to even think such thoughts or their respective countries would suffer the consequences.

And another whistleblower - some translator working for British intelligence whose name escapes me - revealed a message sent by US intelligence requesting assistance in bugging the personal residences and communications of these same UN diplomats.

So it would come as no surprise to discover that the "Cowboys" in the CIA, FBI and who knows what other clandestine thugs would be eavesdropping on Congress, perhaps even blackmailing a few Congresspersons.

I don't have any doubts at all, but I haven't seen anything to document this. Perhaps Sibel Evans will bring out some info.

Here's a link to one story about the US spying on members of the UN Security Council during the US & Britain's failed attempt to get UN authorization for the War on Iraq:
Britain Spied on UN Allies Over War Vote

MountainMan23 @ 71:

Ron @ 65:

MountainMan23 @ 63:

MsJoanne @ 19:
When Bush "went to the UN a second time to get authorization for the Iraq War" .. Bush administration operatives were spying on the deliberations held by the non-permanent members of the Security Council, even when their meetings were held in "secure" rooms.

When these non-permanent members of the Security Council discussed - in a "secure" room - their alternatives to bombing Saddam, they all received phone calls from American operatives immediately after the meeting telling them not to even think such thoughts or their respective countries would suffer the consequences.

And another whistleblower - some translator working for British intelligence whose name escapes me - revealed a message sent by US intelligence requesting assistance in bugging the personal residences and communications of these same UN diplomats.

So it would come as no surprise to discover that the "Cowboys" in the CIA, FBI and who knows what other clandestine thugs would be eavesdropping on Congress, perhaps even blackmailing a few Congresspersons.

I don't have any doubts at all, but I haven't seen anything to document this. Perhaps Sibel Evans will bring out some info.

Here's a link to one story about the US spying on members of the UN Security Council during the US & Britain's failed attempt to get UN authorization for the War on Iraq:
Britain Spied on UN Allies Over War Vote

I've read some of this in the past but nothing about the spying on Congress, only speculation.

For a second there I thought I was watching channel with an agenda to counter FOX NEWS but then I realized it was a joke.

Peter G @ 70:

MsJoanne @ 19:

Have you heard the latest from Sibel Edmonds? She's getting ready to release docs showing Bush was spying on Congress.

Anyone wonder why they've been so compliant?

Throw in a side order of anthrax just after 9/11. Voila! Dictatorship!

Fascinating link MsJoanne but I don't think spying on politicians or indeed anyone in the U.S is anything new. You have to wonder how a homosexual cross- dresser managed to stay as head of the FBI long after his best-before date? J Edgar's personal files would probably make the most fascinating reading and proved to be the most wonderful insulation against forced retirement.

Makes me think of chickens coming home to roost.

karl @ 72:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2236652/CIA-given-green-light-to-bomb-Osama-bin-Laden.html

yup it's an election year...

Isn't this before Obama said he would go after Bin Laden in Pakistan?

karl @ 72:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2236652/CIA-given-green-light-to-bomb-Osama-bin-Laden.html

yup it's an election year...

Except the Bushies haven't used the drones or attempted to attack bin Laden. Because reportedly no one in the administration, Pentagon, CIA, et al, can agree on how to do it.

Not only is Sibel Edmonds hot she really ROCKS when it come to freedom of information too!

Ron @ 76:

karl @ 72:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2236652/CIA-given-green-light-to-bomb-Osama-bin-Laden.html

yup it's an election year...

Isn't this before Obama said he would go after Bin Laden in Pakistan?

i believe so now received the ability to fly in drones which i thought they were already doing since i believe they killed some innocent people not that long ago

Leslie [Hussein] @ 77:

karl @ 72:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2236652/CIA-given-green-light-to-bomb-Osama-bin-Laden.html

yup it's an election year...

Except the Bushies haven't used the drones or attempted to attack bin Laden. Because reportedly no one in the administration, Pentagon, CIA, et al, can agree on how to do it.

Forgot to add that this is per Sy Hersh, who also said that all our best assets are in Iraq and allegedly being used against Iran.

Nothing funny here, nice try Onion.

Instead of G8 can we call them what they really are? Last8. Because they seem to be the last 8 to figure out what's really going on in the world.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=12138712044...

this bomb technology is brutal...to be used in afghanastan

BB @ 81:

Nothing funny here, nice try Onion.

Really? I thought it was one of their best efforts. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I laughed until parts of my anatomy fell off but they're definitely much more loosely attached now..

Terrible @ 85:

'Fake' priest exposed at Vatican

Aren't they all?

Now THAT's funny!

Sweet dreams, all. I'm off to bed. Night night.

It's truly a classic historical piece/satirical statement.

MsJoanne @ 86:

Terrible @ 85:

'Fake' priest exposed at Vatican

Aren't they all?

Now THAT's funny!

Sweet dreams, all. I'm off to bed. Night night.

Good night fine lady.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/2251612/Pervez-M...

musharraf and khan pointing fingers at each other

Good night, MsJoanne. Sleep well.

GNA! Ihave to go to sleep as well.

LibertyLover @ 16:

Attila the Neopopulist, no Stomach for Imperial Adventures @ 3:

Waxwork Hitler beheaded in Berlin
Hitler waxwork at Madame Tussauds in Berlin

A man has been arrested after tearing the head off a wax figure of Adolf Hitler at a newly opened branch of Madame Tussauds in Berlin. A desk was supposed to keep people away from the waxwork

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7491280.stm

Is there a Bush wax works somewhere that we can do that to as well?

The figure has been created, but they cannot decide where it fits in, with the rest of the collection. So far, he has bumped ahead of Atilla The Hun, Hitler, Jack 'The Ripper', and Jeffrey Dahmer. The problem is, Bush keeps committing new crimes, while new old ones continue to surface. There has been talk of giving him a whole wing to himself. There would be a new exhibit for each year.

MacDaKnife, Bush even has his own nickname now, thanks to Dick Cavett: 'the tinpot Genghis Khan of Crawford, Texas'.

Something for the little psychopath to be proud of.

ps, Good night, Ron. (oops, a little late there)

McCain admits his campaign is "behind".

The fires are overpowering Cali.

Tequila @ 96:

The fires are overpowering Cali.

. Yeah, I went for a distant tour today of the fires in Big Sur and the Indian fire in the Arroyo Seco area of the Santa Lucia foothills . Not good.....very bad. I don't know what else to say, some of my friends have lost alot. and some have no where to go.

sigh.
nice to see bushit is doing everything he can, by sending in the FBI, DEA, and IRS. motherfucker.!

Hope you get some relief down there for the fires, Tequila. Good night, all, the hour is late.

mudshark: I don't like Bush, but those yuppies with yachts who don't want to pay taxes to keep a larger fire-fighting force are the ones to blame in this case.

When the Onion sounds so goddamned realistic it's almost not funny, something is wrong with reality.

Its clear this is the decade of the Repug! If you're a repug you can get away with anything!! Only in america.....

Orangutans are on the verge of extinction.

It was a July Fourth like many others. There was nothing overt to signal anything was wrong. The Red Sox had traveled from Boston to play a weekend series against the Yankees in the Bronx. In Washington, the National Independence Day Parade made its way along Constitution Avenue.

And yet, there was an undercurrent of anxiety in the land. Vacations have been curtailed because of the price of fuel. Since the holiday fell on a Friday, the monthly unemployment numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics were released a day early, on Thursday. They weren’t good. The Times summed things up with a Page 1 headline:

“Outlook Darker as Jobs Are Lost and Wages Stall.”

The high and the low were being buffeted. The bad news bears were loose on Wall Street, and the prospects for the summer employment of teenagers were abysmal. The national employment rate for teens in June was the lowest in 60 years.

But the anxiety seems more intense than the usual concern for a cyclical economic downturn. Something fundamental seems to have gone haywire. David Boren, a former U.S. senator who is now president of the University of Oklahoma, has written a short book that he called, “A Letter to America.”

Cashing In on Obama and McCain
By HANNAH FAIRFIELD AND GRIFF PALMER

Nearly half of the $900 million the presidential candidates have spent on their campaigns has been paid to just a few dozen companies.

Wall-E for President
By FRANK RICH

The fierce urgency of now that drives the family movie "Wall-E" and its yearning for change is absent in both the Barack Obama and John McCain campaigns these days.

Anybody up still on the west coast? Monitoring news I missed earlier,have terrible pain,maybe smoking a Berkeley Bomber or two should do the trick.

Sadam Hussein’s yellowcake was eaten by Canada’s Comeco (CCO.CO TSX) recently in a top secret storage and transportation operation publicized in headlines of the Government Daily. The product although old and stored in leaky containers for years was held up, inhaled deeply and declared primo by Mr. M. Burns chair and CEO .
Shares fell slightly on news Sadam also held large stores of talcum powder.

The sad thing: ITS NOT FUNNY!
Not that the attempt of humor isn't funny. Under other circumstances it would be funny. But this president and presidency has been so corrupt, so thoughtless, so mean-spirited, so pathetic that its just not funny anymore.
20 January, 2009-the end of an ERROR!

Something that shouldn’t come as a surprise
Now that employers are being held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants they are working overtime to change the laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/us/06employer.html?hp

Three men - a Canadian farmer, George W Bush and a Man from New Orleans are all working together one day. They come across a lantern .....

And a Genie pops out of it. 'I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes in total', says the Genie.
The Canadian says, 'I am a farmer and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada.'

POOF! With the blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever fertile for farming.

Bush was amazed, so he said, 'I want a wall around Crawford, Texas epecially around my Ranch and around all the properties of my family and Administration's...also around the property of the businesses that are working hard to spread Democracy throughout Iraq . I also want this wall to surround my property in Paraguay,so that no Liberuls, Poor, Terrists or Canadians can come in our precious property.'

POOF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those properties.

The Man from New Orleans says, 'I am very curious. Please tell me more about this wall.'

The Genie explains, 'Well, it's about 5,000 feet high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds the areas in question. Nothing can get in or out; it's virtually impenetrable.'

The Man from New Orleans sits down, cracks a beer, smiles, and says, 'Fill it with water.'

Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis

Internal World Bank study delivers blow to plant energy drive

Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.

Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," said one yesterday.

The news comes at a critical point in the world's negotiations on biofuels policy. Leaders of the G8 industrialised countries meet next week in Hokkaido, Japan, where they will discuss the food crisis and come under intense lobbying from campaigners calling for a moratorium on the use of plant-derived fuels.
...

Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".

President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases."

article continues, read on:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

Best caption of a video..ever.

4th Reich @110 It is no secret that biofuels are driving starvation, and the World Bank is as guilty of suppression of the poor as the most indifferent bushco swine. Their real objective is to privatize all resources in the third world and give them to mega corporations. So take their "reports" with a grain of salt as well. They are no friend to the poor.

I keep hearing that ethanol production is causing shortages of corn and higher food prices. If that's true, that means that someone is generating a LOT of ethanol. Where exactly is the ethanol going? What's it being used for?

I live in Maryland and have yet to see a station that sells E85? Have you seen any?

Tell me it is NOT being exported? That's what I suspect is happening.

Actually, the Bush Administration is probably one of the more successful in U.S. history. Not for what they did for the American people, of course, but for accomplishing almost everything they wanted. Permanent war footing, roll back of civil rights, enhanced powers of the Federal Govt, politicizing of the Justice Dept and other govt agencies (EPA, for example), etc etc.

It all reads like a veritable Neo-Con wish list.

P.D. @ 13:

Andrew at @5, tell me that is a parody! Because it just scared the crap out of me!

That was no parody and it should scare the crap out of you.

(hussien)moondancer @ 111:

4th Reich @110 It is no secret that biofuels are driving starvation, and the World Bank is as guilty of suppression of the poor as the most indifferent bushco swine. Their real objective is to privatize all resources in the third world and give them to mega corporations. So take their "reports" with a grain of salt as well. They are no friend to the poor.

Fully agreed. Further proof of your statement is the remark in the article "Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

“It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House,” said one yesterday."

Believe me, I do take their reports with a teaspoon of salt.
Nevertheless I think it´s good to post this article because even OXFAM is stating that plant-derived fuels contribute "only" 30% to food-price rises.

Sorry, I meant to write:

Fully agreed. Further proof of your statement is the remark in the article “Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush."

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

Why would he have a "little black book"? He can't read and I can't imagine he writes well. Now a little black cartoon....maybe.

The only joke in this video is that Bush would ever admit that he's done anything wrong.

the 4th Reich is rising @ 112:

Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis

Internal World Bank study delivers blow to plant energy drive

Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.

Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," said one yesterday.

The news comes at a critical point in the world's negotiations on biofuels policy. Leaders of the G8 industrialised countries meet next week in Hokkaido, Japan, where they will discuss the food crisis and come under intense lobbying from campaigners calling for a moratorium on the use of plant-derived fuels.
...

Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".

President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases."

article continues, read on:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

This article is seriously misleading and there is a lot of false information out there about the supposed negative impact of biofuels. As other posters have wisely suggested---take this source with a grain of salt. Check here for the truth:

www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=81&parent id=25

The introduction of biofuels has helped keep prices from rising further from where they are today and nobody has starved to death because of them, that's a distribution problem not attributable to their production. And they have created a lot of prosperity for the agriculture community and for rural areas that need good paying jobs.

Of course, if you still don't believe, have fun with our current paradigm of endless
consumption with your friends at the oil industry.

I read with great dismay Nicholas Kristof's piece in today's NY Times. And that prompted me to write down some thoughts about responsibility and consequences. read more:
http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/07/truthbut-no-consequences.html

bmw H. 528 @ 121:

This article is seriously misleading and there is a lot of false information out there about the supposed negative impact of biofuels. As other posters have wisely suggested---take this source with a grain of salt. Check here for the truth:

www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=81&parentid=25

The introduction of biofuels has helped keep prices from rising further from where they are today and nobody has starved to death because of them, that's a distribution problem not attributable to their production. And they have created a lot of prosperity for the agriculture community and for rural areas that need good paying jobs.

Of course, if you still don't believe, have fun with our current paradigm of endless
consumption with your friends at the oil industry.

And your source for debunking the food/fuel argument is an ethanol promotion site?

The American Coalition for Ethanol (ACE) is the grassroots voice of the U.S. ethanol industry, the nation's largest association dedicated to the production and use of ethanol.

From your source, (ALWAYS click the 'ABOUT' button) http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=7&parentid=7

ACE is a non-profit, membership-based organization of nearly 2,000 members nationwide, including: ethanol producers, farmers, investors, the agriculture community, industry suppliers, rural electric cooperatives, and others supportive of the increased production and use of ethanol across America.

You're gonna have to try that again. These people are hardly 'impartial' or 'unbiased' Calling themselves 'grassroots' is disingenuous, to say the least. 'Industry suppliers' could be ADM...

Board of Directors

President: Bob Scott / POET Ethanol Products
Vice President: Brian Wilcox / Nebraska Public Power District
Secretary: Merle Anderson / Minnkota Power Cooperative
Treasurer: Owen Jones / 4 Seasons Cooperative

Darin Anderson / North Dakota Corn Growers Association
Jeff Broin / POET, LLC
John Campbell / AGP Inc.
Mark Dillon / Golden Growers Cooperative
Dick Hanson / Chippewa Valley Ethanol Company
R. Lars Herseth / Member at Large
Bill Honnef / VeraSun Fort Dodge
Randy Knecht / CHS Inc.
Bobby Koepplin / North Dakota Rural Electric Cooperatives
Duane Kristensen / Chief Ethanol Fuels
Harold Newman / Alchem LTD
Ron Obermoller / Minnesota Corn Growers Association
Randall Owen / McLeod Coop Power
Scott Parsley / East River Electric Power
Howard Roe / POET Biorefining - Coon Rapids
James Redding / Aventine Renewable Energy, Inc.
Kirk Schaunaman / South Dakota Corn Growers Association
Harvey Tallackson / Nodak Electric Co-op
Wayne Wagner / Red River Valley Sugar Beet Growers

A very MANLY grassroots organisation, I might add.

Can't wait for Bush to retire so he can write and I can read his book about his presidency -- How to Destroy a Superpower in 8 Years or Less for Dummies.

bmw H. 528 @ 121:

the 4th Reich is rising @ 112:

Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis

Internal World Bank study delivers blow to plant energy drive

Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.

Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," said one yesterday.

The news comes at a critical point in the world's negotiations on biofuels policy. Leaders of the G8 industrialised countries meet next week in Hokkaido, Japan, where they will discuss the food crisis and come under intense lobbying from campaigners calling for a moratorium on the use of plant-derived fuels.
...

Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".

President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases."

article continues, read on:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

This article is seriously misleading and there is a lot of false information out there about the supposed negative impact of biofuels. As other posters have wisely suggested---take this source with a grain of salt. Check here for the truth:

www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=81&parent id=25

The introduction of biofuels has helped keep prices from rising further from where they are today and nobody has starved to death because of them, that's a distribution problem not attributable to their production. And they have created a lot of prosperity for the agriculture community and for rural areas that need good paying jobs.

Of course, if you still don't believe, have fun with our current paradigm of endless
consumption with your friends at the oil industry.

I call propaganda what you´re trying to sell as the truth.

Just your monicker makes me LOL. I mean who is choosing a name such as bmw 528, a gas guzzling limousine?
Our current paradigm of endless consumption?
I don´t even own a car! I´m riding my bicycle troughout the year for decades now.

Try again.

Rusty Cage @ 14:

Leslie [Hussein] @ 9:

P.D. @ 6:

Tell me one good thing Bush has done since he has been in office. Jeez, the Repugs defend this guy at all costs! Does Bush have a little black book or something? If Clinton did half the shit Bush did, the Repugs would have run him out of town on a rail! What hypocrites! They claim they have God on their side. Yeah, sure.

God told me he's never heard of Bush.

Moses did, but that Bush was burning.

This Bush will burn as well...right along with papa B, and grand pappy...who sits right next to his pal, Adolf.

No. 19, I read about Sibel Edmonds. She is one brave lady that will alert the nation of the criminal activities of those involved in the higher office. I pray that before the election, every soul should hear Sibel. Brad blog should start a radio network and bring her on if these cowards on the TV would refuse her. What happened to the brave little Olbermann and the late Tim Russert. He missed the mark in heaven for not covering Sibel's story.

Go for it!

According to Sibel Edmonds, Dubai was actively involved in harboring Mohammed Atta and the rest of the gang for the 9/11 attack. What is Neil Bush doing in Dubai?
My gut feelings is that Clinton and Cohen was involved in selling the weapon secrets to other nations. What was Lieberman's role? Why did he switch parties? I pray that Sibel will uncover these bastards who claim to represent the nation. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.

The Sibel Edmond story touched my nerve. BTW, as I dig further I am likely to connect the dots....The story on Asia Times about US plays matchmaker to Pakistan, Israel
By M K Bhadrakumar http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JA31Df03.html
indicates the role of Lieberman and gang in unifying Pakistan's role with Israel. What did Lieberman offer in return for Pakistan's loyalty? The nuclear secrets and station?

It is likely that Lieberman and gang were terrified that Benazir Bhutto would take over and that meant Parvez Musharaf had to go. Was Benazir Bhutto assassinated by the same circle of friends?

Wow, Lieberman is using the thalmdic wisdom to pursue his selfish interest just like the pseudo Christians are doing lip worship, but their hearts are far from the truth.

the 4th Reich is rising @ 125:

bmw H. 528 @ 121:

the 4th Reich is rising @ 112:

Secret report: biofuel caused food crisis

Internal World Bank study delivers blow to plant energy drive

Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.

Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," said one yesterday.

The news comes at a critical point in the world's negotiations on biofuels policy. Leaders of the G8 industrialised countries meet next week in Hokkaido, Japan, where they will discuss the food crisis and come under intense lobbying from campaigners calling for a moratorium on the use of plant-derived fuels.
...

Rising food prices have pushed 100m people worldwide below the poverty line, estimates the World Bank, and have sparked riots from Bangladesh to Egypt. Government ministers here have described higher food and fuel prices as "the first real economic crisis of globalisation".

President Bush has linked higher food prices to higher demand from India and China, but the leaked World Bank study disputes that: "Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases."

article continues, read on:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

This article is seriously misleading and there is a lot of false information out there about the supposed negative impact of biofuels. As other posters have wisely suggested---take this source with a grain of salt. Check here for the truth:

www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=81&parent id=25

The introduction of biofuels has helped keep prices from rising further from where they are today and nobody has starved to death because of them, that's a distribution problem not attributable to their production. And they have created a lot of prosperity for the agriculture community and for rural areas that need good paying jobs.

Of course, if you still don't believe, have fun with our current paradigm of endless
consumption with your friends at the oil industry.

I call propaganda what you´re trying to sell as the truth.

Just your monicker makes me LOL. I mean who is choosing a name such as bmw 528, a gas guzzling limousine?
Our current paradigm of endless consumption?
I don´t even own a car! I´m riding my bicycle troughout the year for decades now.

Try again.

Bully for you for riding a bike and conserving our resources. You fail, however to address the real question, apparently thinking your submitted opinion equals absolute fact. If that's you don't bother to respond as we can get that worthless viewpoint from the Republicans.

So try again, please. And spare me your arrogance and ridicule, too. Doing the right thing does not give you permission to to be condescending and judgmental.

miss_kitty @ 123:

bmw H. 528 @ 121:

This article is seriously misleading and there is a lot of false information out there about the supposed negative impact of biofuels. As other posters have wisely suggested---take this source with a grain of salt. Check here for the truth:

www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=81&parentid=25

The introduction of biofuels has helped keep prices from rising further from where they are today and nobody has starved to death because of them, that's a distribution problem not attributable to their production. And they have created a lot of prosperity for the agriculture community and for rural areas that need good paying jobs.

Of course, if you still don't believe, have fun with our current paradigm of endless
consumption with your friends at the oil industry.

And your source for debunking the food/fuel argument is an ethanol promotion site?

The American Coalition for Ethanol (ACE) is the grassroots voice of the U.S. ethanol industry, the nation's largest association dedicated to the production and use of ethanol.

From your source, (ALWAYS click the 'ABOUT' button) http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=7&parentid=7

ACE is a non-profit, membership-based organization of nearly 2,000 members nationwide, including: ethanol producers, farmers, investors, the agriculture community, industry suppliers, rural electric cooperatives, and others supportive of the increased production and use of ethanol across America.

You're gonna have to try that again. These people are hardly 'impartial' or 'unbiased' Calling themselves 'grassroots' is disingenuous, to say the least. 'Industry suppliers' could be ADM...

Board of Directors

President: Bob Scott / POET Ethanol Products
Vice President: Brian Wilcox / Nebraska Public Power District
Secretary: Merle Anderson / Minnkota Power Cooperative
Treasurer: Owen Jones / 4 Seasons Cooperative

Darin Anderson / North Dakota Corn Growers Association
Jeff Broin / POET, LLC
John Campbell / AGP Inc.
Mark Dillon / Golden Growers Cooperative
Dick Hanson / Chippewa Valley Ethanol Company
R. Lars Herseth / Member at Large
Bill Honnef / VeraSun Fort Dodge
Randy Knecht / CHS Inc.
Bobby Koepplin / North Dakota Rural Electric Cooperatives
Duane Kristensen / Chief Ethanol Fuels
Harold Newman / Alchem LTD
Ron Obermoller / Minnesota Corn Growers Association
Randall Owen / McLeod Coop Power
Scott Parsley / East River Electric Power
Howard Roe / POET Biorefining - Coon Rapids
James Redding / Aventine Renewable Energy, Inc.
Kirk Schaunaman / South Dakota Corn Growers Association
Harvey Tallackson / Nodak Electric Co-op
Wayne Wagner / Red River Valley Sugar Beet Growers

A very MANLY grassroots organisation, I might add.

Sorry, but naming their board of directors and offering the opinion that their research is null and void because ACE is an industry advocate is flat out wrong. Try addressing the facts that they state, please. And if you bother to look at the companies these people represent very few if any of them is a Fortune 500 company. A majority of them are locally owned cooperatives that provide good paying jobs to rural areas that frankly, need help. And some of them support the Apollo Alliance---does that mean that their efforts are tainted, too?

So if you think that ACE's reasoning is wrong---where's your evidence to the contrary?

bmw H. 528 @ 131:

Sorry, but naming their board of directors and offering the opinion that their research is null and void because ACE is an industry advocate is flat out wrong. Try addressing the facts that they state, please. And if you bother to look at the companies these people represent very few if any of them is a Fortune 500 company. A majority of them are locally owned cooperatives that provide good paying jobs to rural areas that frankly, need help. And some of them support the Apollo Alliance---does that mean that their efforts are tainted, too?

So if you think that ACE's reasoning is wrong---where's your evidence to the contrary?

Why do I need any? I was pointing out that the source you cite is all about promoting and selling ethanol.

Pay attention, would you?

Heck of a job Dubya!

bmw H. 528 @ 131:

So if you think that ACE's reasoning is wrong---where's your evidence to the contrary?

Secret Report: Biofuel Caused Food Crisis
Internal World Bank Study Delivers Blow to Plant Energy Drive

Aditya Chakrabortty
The Guardian,
Friday July 4, 2008

---snip---
"Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The damning unpublished assessment is based on the most detailed analysis of the crisis so far, carried out by an internationally-respected economist at global financial body.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises. It will add to pressure on governments in Washington and across Europe, which have turned to plant-derived fuels to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and reduce their dependence on imported oil.

Senior development sources believe the report, completed in April, has not been published to avoid embarrassing President George Bush.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," said one yesterday..."

Just in case you're still checking in. Democracy Now! reported this today...

he actually said "Prayerfrul"

Ho lee shit

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