His book is on my list.

The Iraqi invasion qualifies as a war crime on its own, especially when Saddam's "heinous acts" are put into a global perspective, and the resulting chaos unleashed by removing the cornerstone is compared to Saddam's rule. This invasion is a crime on its own, as is Afghanistan for being collective punishment on the Roman model. And unfortunately, Obama may want us out of Iraq, but much more into Afghanistan, where no army has ever defeated Hazaras, Pashtuns, or the other peoples there.

It was fascinating to watch this today.

One of the Republicans, who was trying desperately to shut Bugliosi up, said he was having an aneurysm trying to shut Bugliosi up.

Amazing.

Is a sternly written letter next?

When it comes to finding out the truth or actually holding hearings the Republicans scuttle about trying to find reasons not to listen.

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Dynamite statements and testimony....

There should be a statue of this man erected in the nation's capital. He's a patriot, a hero and a champion for the rule of law and for those who have lost their lives for Bush and Cheney's war.

Fein, Bugliosi and Jackson Lee owned this hearing. I also thought Wasserman-Schultz was very strong and would like to hear more from her. It is especially interesting (and scathing for the Bush admin) to note that Bugliosi stated that Bush told Blair if the U.N. did not find WMD's in Iraq that 'painting' an American fighter jet as a U.N. fighter jet to provoke a confrontation would be an alternative. I cannot imagine our president being so devious as to actually PAINT planes to appear as if they are something they are not in order to deceive. What a shame that our children must face this piece of you know what as their leader.

MsJoanne @ 17:

General_Rennenkampf @ 15:

MsJoanne @ 13:

General_Rennenkampf @ 6:

Yes, it's called: The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

Ah, thanks, I'll check it out.

bush makes charles manson look like ghandi. bugliosi could never prosecute people like bush, or even mccain, because they are elites and above the law.

BennyP Says: "I am against capital punishment- and yet I would be happy to see the Texas electric chair put to use in this case."

set it up for low voltage - to initiate involuntary bowel evacuation, yet allow subject to remain alive.

Well said, sir.

Campbell Brown on CNN just declared that the proceedings were a show trial and a waste of taxpayers money. I'm sorry to be rude, but fuck them all to hell. CNN is in serious trouble. To offer up Glenn Beck and Michael Reagan, it's just insane (and I haven't just discovered this, but I'm boiling over).

ooh the storm is threatening our very lives today.....
Rape, murder...... so said the Rolling Stones yesterday, true today

Joker @ 19:

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Wow. For him to actually ridicule the intellect of the American people in this way is disgusting. I really wanted to reach out and 'touch' this rotten excuse for a human being when he declared that people think we went to Iraq for no reason at all. We know exactly what this is about Rabkin. We know about the central Asian pipeline deals (and lack thereof). We know of the Iranian oil bourse. We know what peak oil means. And we know how important it is to protect our dearest friend Israel at all cost. We know about the long term contracts that were signed with KBR and Halliburton (and so many others) long before our declaration of war. This is a corporate invasion of Iraq with military backing. How dare you ridicule the American people and their knowledge of what really happened. You are a traitor. I was so happy to see you embarrass yourself on television today. You looked like an emotionally disabled child.

Are we back to using "heck of a job" unironically? I'm really not sure I'm ready for that yet.

Bugliosi's book is brilliant (all of his are). go to golefttv and see Robert F Kennedy interview Vincent about the book. He's spot on!

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Joker @ 36:

drunkbryan @ 35:

Bush gets off on killing. That's all there is to it.

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Have you been under a rock since Bush was the governor of Texas and since the Iraq invasion?

hepwa @ 26:

Campbell Brown on CNN just declared that the proceedings were a show trial and a waste of taxpayers money. I'm sorry to be rude, but fuck them all to hell. CNN is in serious trouble. To offer up Glenn Beck and Michael Reagan, it's just insane (and I haven't just discovered this, but I'm boiling over).

CNN has become pure junk. I was a CNN addict and I finally had enough and have given up on them completely.

The 'C' in C SPAN stands for comedy and all Bugliosi needed is a tube of grease paint, red wig and sponge nose.

It's no wonder Rove blew these guys off and rightfully so. Never waste time on assholes.

Seven years of Bush's shit and this is all lame Democrats can muster. Pathetic. And quickly forgotten in the next news cycle just like the 4,125 dead kids sacrificed on the alter of EXXON-Mobile.

Bush is untouchable and not done yet. Hear that Iran!

Democrats feint disgust and call for justice of the man they enable with nod & a wink support. Bush asks for tens of millions every few months for his serial murder spree and Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Clinton, Kerry et al sign the check.

If spineless cowardice, pandering and mealy mouth criticism were a capital offense Democrats would be bacon.

Joker @ 36:

drunkbryan @ 35:

Bush gets off on killing. That's all there is to it.

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Where you been joker?

JM @ 37:

MsJoanne @ 5:

It was fascinating to watch this today.

One of the Republicans, who was trying desperately to shut Bugliosi up, said he was having an aneurysm trying to shut Bugliosi up.

Amazing.

Freedom of speech, and the truth, will do that to some Republicans!!

Bugliosi slammed that Republican when he said something to the fact that he wasn't talking to him because he had already made up his mind. Bugliosi has said if Bush were a Democrat he would go after him too. Bugliosi is not a partisan, which is more than can be said for the Republicans trying to shut him up and who impeached Clinton over Lewinsky.

One day...in the not to distant future...it's going to be very busy down at the Crossroads...

StirFry, I got a loonie and a toonie here ... I'd pay to see that too (hey, you even make a nickel in change).

Bugliosi was brilliant. It was an absolute pleasure to watch him lay out his case so succinctly. I loved it when the people clapped. Great stuff.

Joker @ 47:

Ruthless People @ 38:

Joker @ 36:

drunkbryan @ 35:

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Have you been under a rock since Bush was the governor of Texas and since the Iraq invasion?

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Wrong, technically, only Congress has the right to declare war, the President is the commander-in-chief, but can only lead what Congress initiates. So, yes, there is something legally wrong with a president declaring war.

Perhaps there is nothing morally or legally wrong with Iraq attacking the United States at its' convenience?

If Iran appears to be threatened by the USA....it also has the right to attack. Morally and legally.

Are we starting to see now why taking impeachment off the table, despite the universally understood fact that no impeachment would result in a conviction, is a monumental dereliction of fundamental duty to the Republic?

Are we starting to see that this isn't about getting petty revenge on a president we don't like. That's what the CLINTON impeachment was about.

This is about not validating the horrible, horrible, horrendous abuses of constitutional power this president has exercised. Removing him from office is not the only goal...it's not even necessary (hell, at this point, we can do another six months.)

It's about getting the TRUTH on the PUBLIC RECORD...including, as one of the witnesses pointed out, an appropriate DEFENSE for the president.

It's about knowing how we will proceed in the future. It's about recognizing that executive power can be abused by zealous, well-intentioned people. We don't have to brand Bush and Cheney as villains or crooks...they could very well just be fanatics. Doesn't matter.

There MUST BE SOME moment when we collectively say "whatever happens to BushCo, this will not stand..FOR THE FUTURE"

That's what's at stake here. Not getting our jollies at Bush's expense.

If we do nothing, the next president will be able to simply attack any country he wants any time he wants without even asking for permission.

The next president can, on personal authority, confine a US citizen and subject him to burial alive without charge and without even TELLING ANYONE.

The next president can open anyone's mail, read anyone's email, listen in on any phone call and use all of that as evidence in secret tribunals where, EVEN IF YOU ARE FOUND INNOCENT, you may be held indefinitely after your trial.

The only objection we've heard to these (admittedly, even more egregious than Bush) abuses is that "no president WOULD ever do that." Not that s/he couldn't. S/he just...you know...wouldn't.

We are nothing without the rule of law. This isn't about bringing the Bushie's to justice...that will never happen. This is about bringing justice back to US.

unfortunately for campbell brown, investigative reporting involves more than thigh spreading.

"Ooh, ooh, the gentleman's strong words are hurting my fragile beautiful little mind, mister chairman! Make him stop!"

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#56 right with you brother...this is about making sure that this admin. does not set a precedence for illegal activity. We must hold them accountable. I agree that 6 months to impeachment means nothing, but as they stated starting criminal proceedings NOW will ensure that the day he closes the White House door behind him will be the day they cuff him. The offenses warrant the death penalty as stated today before the panel. He is responsible for the murder of more than 1 million people.

Joker @ 62:

Perhaps there is nothing morally or legally wrong with Iraq attacking the United States at its’ convenience?

The United States doesn't have a tyrant that butchers its own people.

My little grasshopper. You have so much to learn.

Joker @ 62:

Perhaps there is nothing morally or legally wrong with Iraq attacking the United States at its’ convenience?

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No, we just armed one & paid for his salary! Are you insane? Why do you think Rumsfeld was delivering him anthrax in 1983?

If we take out Hussein, then we should take out his bosses,... & that's US.

Besides, Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11,... why do you piss all over the graves of the fallen on that day to make hack political points?

Joker @ 47:

Ruthless People @ 38:

Joker @ 36:

drunkbryan @ 35:

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Have you been under a rock since Bush was the governor of Texas and since the Iraq invasion?

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Um, the president has no constitutional authority to declare war. That sole duty is granted to the Congress. So, yes, it would be illegal for a president to declare war.

And we have not declared any wars since WWII. That was the last 'war' we were involved in.

After the USA stole Irans democracy and had Mossedeigh killed we had another guy....the Shah.
He was a good weapons customer for 25 years.

Does Joker remember the blowback called the Hostage Crisis?

Terrorists were funded and trained by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. On the day of 9/11 the Pakistani ISI wired Atta 100,000. We invade Iraq with pipeline contracts pre-prepared on the table for all of the Bush families "base" corporations. Why can't people connect the dots?

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Joker @ 62:

Perhaps there is nothing morally or legally wrong with Iraq attacking the United States at its’ convenience?

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You're right. Our tyrant butchers Americans under the guise of a rigged criminal justice system laughing at the state sanctioned execution of a woman or mentally disabled adolescent or by sending 4,125 kids to their death in an illegal war.

The only difference between our tyrant and theirs is that we have advanced beyond oversized paper shredders, acid baths and wall socket electrocution.

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What, exactly, do the citizens of this country do when the “disloyal opposition” is so stupid?

I fear the truth cannot be said here. The worst is yet to come. Stay away from main stream media because they give you only what they want to give you. At least on the internet you can choose what you deem important. Many people are saying that our days are numbered and that we will be hit again prior to election day. I personally believe this is true. But, we must be very diligent in understanding that this attack may not be orchestrated by who they say planned the attack. Open your mind to another truth.

Oh so Bush killed American soldiers and not al-Qaeda and the insurgents in Iraq. Wow, that’s really vapid thinking.

Well, if you would have watched the proceedings you would have learned that Bush first of all altered the transcripts from officials and military personnel to make his case for war and then presented them to a very unwitting congress. You would also have found out that if the UN declared that there was no reason to think that Hussein had WMD's that Bush had three plans on the table to force a war, which included painting our own military planes to look like UN planes and flying them into Iraq forcing a shoot down. Bush is responsible for every American soldiers death because he lied about the war. There were other reasons for going into Iraq, none of them included al-qaeda because al-qaeda was not in Iraq. In addition, we have murdered more than 1 million innocent Iraqi women, men, children and babies based not on false intelligence, but on intelligence that was manipulated by the Bush admin. In other words...we should have never...ever...gone into Iraq. It is all for naught.

Quite possibly some of the 'Christian' victims of 911 might not like the payback ratios of innocent lives destroyed in the name of vengeance.

Eye for an eye maybe...but not the eyesight of a whole mass of people.

Joker @ 87:

we have murdered more than 1 million innocent Iraqi women

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This is a fact...does it bother you?

three words: AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

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drunkbryan @ 84:

What, exactly, do the citizens of this country do when the “disloyal opposition” is so stupid?

I fear the truth cannot be said here. The worst is yet to come. Stay away from main stream media because they give you only what they want to give you. At least on the internet you can choose what you deem important. Many people are saying that our days are numbered and that we will be hit again prior to election day. I personally believe this is true. But, we must be very diligent in understanding that this attack may not be orchestrated by who they say planned the attack. Open your mind to another truth.

I only watch the broadcast networks to see what they do not cover--and it is immense. Even today many progressive sites are ignoring this hearing. Most Americans hate government because members of both parties do not serve the public interest. But citizens do not know the facts, because the facts are hidden from them. Most Americans do not even know what their rights are under the constitution. They've never read it. Democracy cannot stand with an uninformed populous. The fine members of the Democratic party who have stood up for the rule of law are being ignored and marginalized. Only public opinion can change this, and public opinion has been very effectively manipulated. The few people on sites like this are aware of the facts. What about the half of America that can't afford a computer? What about older Americans who search their channels and newspapers daily and all they see is murder and the weather and Paris Hilton? So far my only plan is fliers on telephone poles. Sorry, but only part of our country have access to the netroots. That is why the polls have Obama and McCain so close. A lot of people called on their land lines don't know who Obama is or they believe the crap put out on Fox or Limbaugh or O'Reilly. These are the people who truly frighten me.

By the way, are we supposed to feel sorry for the poor coddled little congresscritter who was "having an aneurysm" because Bugliosi went on a little long? Poor, poor baby. Let's not talk about the soldiers and civilians killed because of this lie. Let's talk about someone who has to sit on his poor little precious butt a little longer to hear Bugliosi.

[Terry Anne, Wrong, Joker. You were a loser troll the first time you were banned and I see nothing's changed since then. Get a life. There are better ways to make a living. Sad sack. My apologies to the real posters on this thread for not being online earlier to ban this time waster-Sitemonitor]

[Nice to see you trying your hardest to post. It's only a counter, I don't have to see what kind of crap you're posting. Have a nice day-Sitemonitor]

Joker, you might want to give some thought to the fact that there are some Iraqi children out there who have lost families and limbs or both.

They will grow up.

Some may even learn to fly....but not land.

Comprende?

Joker @ 82:

5 Deferment Coward Cheney @ 80:

Joker @ 62:

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You're right. Our tyrant butchers Americans under the guise of a rigged criminal justice system laughing at the state sanctioned execution of a woman or mentally disabled adolescent or by sending 4,125 kids to their death in an illegal war.

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The international numbers are much higher, Bugliosi was using our own govt estimate. International red cross has the figures as much as 1.2 millions Iraqi civilians death and twice over on US soldier that died on the way over to German's hospital so that they would not be counted as death in Iraq.

In the beginning of this war there was a story on tombstone maker that they were making many times over the number of tombstone for the military, and yet the numbers were so far off and exceed the reported death on the war in Iraq. It was vapid thinking that only 4,125 soldier died in Iraq, but I am only sorry that I don't have a shiny ball and lights to make you understand.

drunkbryan....

Joker will never be able to grab the pebble from your hand.....

enough @ 100:

Joker @ 93:

drunkbryan @ 90:

Joker @ 87:

This is a fact...does it bother you?

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Actually the British medical journal The Lancet did a study several years ago reporting that their rigorous statistics indicated at the time that a million Iraqis had died violent deaths as a result of this war. Several million Iraqis have been displaced either within the country or are now refugees in neighboring countries. Your statements are yet another example of an uninformed American who has closed your eyes to the truth. This administration is guilty of war crimes. The numbers of dead and wounded will be counted later. Our country did this in our names and with our money. It is up to us to bring these people to account.

Thank you for this information. Asking for the research on how many Iraqi citizens died is liking asking for the research on whether we invaded Iraq or not. I am dumbfounded. This is common knowledge. How it passes beyond the thinking range of US citizens is beyond me. Thank you.

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JasonS @ 72:

Joker @ 47:

Ruthless People @ 38:

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Joker, Bush didn't invade Iraq because Saddam was a tyrant. Bush said we need to invade Iraq because they had WMD's, they had a direct connection to al qauda and they were an imminent threat to the US. NONE OF IT WAS TRUE!!!

The United States doesn't have a tyrant that butchers its own people.

Over 4000 US military dead (not to mention the 1 million Iraqis killed) is not butchering people? Yes, we do have a tyrant, a clown, a sociopath pResident who butchers his own people.

The source for your figures are really outdated, October 2006? Really? I have heard of slow reader, but not that slow.

best thing is...the wingnuts cannot lable vince as a wacko lefty

that man is a conservative law and order guy

and finally he is getting heard

buy the book

xargaw @ 112:

I watched the hearings today and was again struck by the traitorous GOP Congressmen that will refuse to acknowledge the crimes of this Administration. It is not false to call these men traitors, for they betray their oath of office and the Constitution of the U.S. Bugliosi was outstanding. His book is very good. I heard him interviewed where he said that bringing Bush to justice for War crimes will be his work for the remaining of this life. He is far more a patriot than those that sat in this hearing today. Even the Democrats that participated and were critical of all the violations of law have not done nearly enough with the exception of Kucinich, who has often stood alone because of his love of country and the seriousness by which he takes his oath.

I agree with you. The bastards are betraying their oath of office and should be impeached immediately. It is time that this country wake up to the reality that we are owned by the corporate elite who rape our pocketbooks daily and scream in our ear about terror to keep us subdued.

Is anyone aware of Bush prognosis from the psychiatry dept? Of when he first started to torture animals right after the death of his sister when he was 7 years old? He wasn't allowed to talk about his sister death and the day after the funeral his parents went out to play golf.

It's all in his book "a charge to keep"

When he said he would give up golfing to mourn with the family who lost their love one in Iraq, it reminded me of his painful childhood memories, and that he would do what his parents failed to do. This war may really be about George and his parents differences they harbor one another. Bush Sr hanging out with Bill Clinton and now with John McCain playing golf today.

You said it embittered and there is no more to it. We as a nation are at stake. Our Constitution has been violated. Time to rise up people. Doesn't matter what you have to do, but this country and its democracy is gone unless we find the power within. G'night all.

Max, these are too easy to answer from the wingnut perspective.

Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 118:

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Joker,
Name us ONE redeeming quality to TORTURE?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to LIES?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to MURDER?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to USURPATION OF CONGRESS?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to DENYING HABEAS CORPUS RIGHTS?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to WARRANTLESS WIRETAPS?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to TYRANNY?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Name us ONE redeeming quality to WAR CRIMES?

Bush didn't have a blowjob.

Ow. That wingnut Stupid Hat hurts.

As it turn out we use more WMD in shock and awe in Iraq, than Saddam use on his own people with depleted uranium and the damage is still taking its toll on the Iraqi people. Depending which way the wind blows, you can see the job its doing for the birth rate. There's your blowjob!

Mike Pence is a shitstain on the fabric of America. The man is nothing more than a lapdog YES man for Bush. What possibly could he have contributed at this hearing? If witnesses had produced pictures of Bush molesting farm animals Pence would dismiss it as being unimportant.

Joker joker troll @ 63:

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That is widely open to debate.

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Bush i& Cheney are war criminals and should have been impeached by the Democratic congress.

Unfortunately, they have relegated themselves by Pelosi, Reid, & Hoyer, to a circus side-show. They have failed in their constitutional responsibilities to protect & defend the constitution.

The whole lot should be thrown in jail.

Thanks Vincent for reminding me what it feels like to be an American again for a few minutes.

hepwa @ 27:

Campbell Brown on CNN just declared that the proceedings were a show trial and a waste of taxpayers money. I'm sorry to be rude, but fuck them all to hell. CNN is in serious trouble. To offer up Glenn Beck and Michael Reagan, it's just insane (and I haven't just discovered this, but I'm boiling over).

Apparently Campbell's one of the new Whitehouse go-to commentators now that Fox News is so exposed and Timmy's gone. Good for CNN picking up the extra revenue stream to compensate for the loss of their souls. Of course, I'm just one of the old school (pre 911, founding father-like, old America thinking) hippies that consider liberal democracy, rule of law and the Constitution somewhat useful in securing liberty and the general welfare of the people. You know, as opposed to direct tyranny. Silly me.

Phil @ 135:

Thanks Vincent for reminding me what it feels like to be an American again for a few minutes.

Isn't he an amazing man? I have read many of his books. Fascinating insight. He's really a hero here.

When I get to the bottom
I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn
and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Well will you won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

Look out
Helter skelter
helter skelter
helter skelter
Yeah, hu,

Helter Skelter
She's coming down fast
Yes she is
Yes she is
coming down fast

"keeping it simple"

Given the low IQ group he was speaking to I think that was best.

Mr. Bugliosi is a formidable man and lawyer. He has been blacked out in the media since writing this book. The so called liberal media which have not printed a thing about this book. Not even the fact that it has been written.

Any time you don't think this media is corporate owned, think again. He has managed to get his message through on progressive stations. But it has been a hard road. He makes the case that Bush should be indicted for murder. Something more than 75% of Americans would agree with. Including some Republicans that can still think for themselves.

The book is brilliant and so is this famous lawyer. If you get a chance you should read the book. It is layed out step by step in legal terms anyone can understand with the evidence for each charge.

I hope he was able to do some good at this photo op today. Let's not dignify it by calling it a hearing.

We can't be rid of republicans soon enough. They have NOTHING to offer but hubris.

The Hague has been seriously considering charging the Bush Administration with war crimes at least since December 2004.