Another McCain Gaffe?
By Nicole Belle Monday Jul 28, 2008 11:00amIt might actually be easier to report on what he gets right at this point...
I think journalists over-emphasize gaffes because they think it is a point of fact they can point to without being criticized by either side for being biased. They feel they're not allowed to say that someone's tax cut plan is terrible and will put a huge hole in the national budget. That might be true, but conventional wisdom says an objective reporter is not allowed to say that. Gaffes, on the other hand, are clear and can be pounced on.
So, with all of that being said, I am ironically going to point out a second possible gaffe for John McCain in a row. Why? Because John McCain has had so many gaffes in the last couple of weeks, let alone the whole campaign, that it has gotten to the point where you have to question if there is something wrong with him.[..]
So, here is his latest possible gaffe, brought to our attention by a Young Turks listener, Rich Kelly. Senator McCain said this to George Stephanopoulos in his interview on Sunday:
MCCAIN: I believe that, when he said that we had to leave Iraq, and we had to be out by last March, and we had to have a date certain, that was in contravention to -- and still is -- the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General David Petraeus.
Of course, Gen. Petraeus is not the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Admiral Mike Mullen is. That is a terrible mistake, if he really meant that. This is supposed to be his field of expertise and he has talked about Gen. Petraeus approximately one billion times.
I went back and watched the video of the interview about four times. It is possible to argue that he meant Gen. Petraeus and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But that is not what he said.
We have the video. Do you think it was nothing but a simple slip of the tongue? How many of these slips do we need to experience before we get nervous of a larger pattern?
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that's mcGaffe being mcGaffe....he gets a free pass
media much harder on obama than mcGaffe that's has been proven
This fucking guy is like a FRANKENSTIEN ........... an embalmed corpse really that is given ELECTRO SHOCKS after it is taken out of it's crypt to make it walk and talk .. LIKE FRANKENSTEIN ... oh well it does like it's sprinkles on it's donughts though ...
Maybe in McAyn's world Putin is still President as he said on Sunday, in fact, it's still the Cold War in his world.
Reminds me of the Detroit Pistons back in the 80's & 90's. they fouled sop much, the refs appeared to have started to adjust for that and let the "smaller" fouls go. Visiting teams got hacked like they weren't used to. McCain is like that daft uncle whose sentences you finish for him, because he'll either forget what he started, will confuse the memories, or just not make sense, or will take twice as long to finish the sentence. "Well, look at the time Grandpa, I gotta go, I'll visit the home real soon".
Anyone tally a ration of gaffes/accurate statements yet? That'd be interesting!
Galaga @ 5:
Er...make that ratio...
Are his doctors absolutely certain McCain's not developing dementia? I mean, hell, it was bad enough having Brain Bubbles Reagan on the throne in Washington.
His head is not clear.
DESOD. Definately Early Stages of Dementia.
It doesn't really matter if it was a slip of the tongue. I think someone needs to go back and make a count of all the verbal blunders, flip flops, and outright lies each candidate has made in this campaign. I'm sure Obama has made mistakes and we know of at least two large flip flops. What matters is comparing the two side by side. Since we don't have any real choice of candidates, at least we should be able to chose knowledgeably from the two that have been foisted upon us.
JonAtWork @ 9:
It happens so often in the general populace, why not to a presnitial candidate?
In addition to the smaller gaffes, McCain is equally oblivious to the big picture on the War on Terror, in particular to what these guys have been up to the past 15 years:
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
You know, the ones actually responsible for the attacks on 9/11?
But I suppose those decades of national security experience will kick-in at any minute. (Or maybe not, so long as he has the likes of Tom Loeffler whispering in his ear: http://www.newsweek.com/id/137522).
McCain looks worse and worse as this campaign advances. For me, his "Dukakis Moment" came last week when he was wandering through the supermarket in a suit and tie with the republican planted shopper. He not only looked clueless and out of place, the whole event was sort of sad: Instead of a fact-finding mission, it looked more like, "Let's take Grandpa shopping with us."
Far from being inspiring, it looked like he was totally out of touch.
John McCain is just about 72, people!
He has ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS trying to work, let alone lead the United States and be the undisputed busiest man in the world. This man is so old he can barely hold the microphone with one hand (watch next time as he always switches hands with it, or he'll put two hands on the mic). My dad is 67 and our family is begging him to slow down at work. This just doesn't make any sense. This campaign should not even be about McCain, but should turn more into a race between Obama and whoever McCain's running mate turns out to be. John McCain should retire. He's too old, period! The problem is, our society has more old people now then ever, and you know who they'll vote for.
His campaign is a joke. JOHN MCCAIN IS AN ELDERLY MAN. PLEASE COMPREHEND THIS AND DO NOT PUT HIM IN OUR WHITE HOUSE. THAT REALITY WOULD BE DANGEROUS ON THE SIMPLEST OF LEVELS!!!
I have to disagree with you on this one, Nicole. As much as I loathe and despise McLame, and consider him to be senile, he actually said, "the way that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said, the way that General Petraeus has said"...
He clearly meant, if you listen objectively, that both of them had said it has to be determined by conditions on the ground.
Now, I disagree with McLame, in that I think Obama has the right idea - get out on a gradual basis, but get out. Let the Iraqis defend theuir own damn country.
How many gaffes equal a guaranteed loss?
"Gaffe" is a polite euphemism for a fuck-up. McCain is a potential disastrous fuck-up given his Bushco policies and plans.
Of course, he's equally oblivious to the big picture when it comes to the War on Terror. In particular, all of this:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
If McGeezer is fucking up everyday now, imagine how he'll handle himself coping with the day to day stress of being President. What an embarrassing candidate. One good thing for McGaffe, the job won't age him.
Considering how the corporate media has been and still is so enthralled with a talking chimp, I would have to say you'd better give up hopes of them coming to their senses.
Moggy @ 12:
And then the applesauce came a'tumblin down...laughed me arse off at that I did!
RayRay @ 13:
Don't be too sure of yourself, there, sparky! I'm 63, and I voting for Obama. There's lots of us "geezers" who are voting for Obama. We were the demonstrators and rioters of the 60's, and many, many of us have not forgotten our libera, activist roots.
...and the media gives him a free pass because it would be entirely embarrassing to everyone to point out how demented his 72-year-old head must be. NO ONE wants to admit that we have a bona fide elderly man running for president. There must be a rule against this. HIS CAMPAIGN IS A JOKE. See what you get after 8 years of Bush, GOP? A man who has no idea the difference between his left foot and right foot anymore, and who just might be wearing pull-ups to protect against any accidents.
mccain was bragging that he knows how to win wars
and he knows how to get bin laden.........well if you know tell the president instead of using this great knowledge for politicization.....
to me mccain took his campaign to an all time low...with this nonsense again trying to question obama's patriotism
oops! Meant to say I "voted" for Obama - and I'll be voting for him in the general, as well.
My immediate reaction about the report of McCain's biopsy was it will provide the pretext for his withdrawal from the race. If not, the GOP has all but conceded the White House this year. Their candidate is hands-down the most incompetent presidential aspirant of my lifetime. Whatever the reason, the man is a walking, talking political train wreck.
Bajaboy @ 21:
Touche, Bajaboy -- if McCain was your age, I wouldn't mind nearly as much. 9 years is a huge difference... That's 2 terms.
constituent @ 23:
Well, McLame does know how to win wars. Just look at the great job he did with the Viet Nam war.
I just watched the clip and it's clear McCain wasn't saying the joint chief of staff was Gen. Petraeus. He clearly has a pause in between saying joint chief of staff and then Gen. Petraeus. He's referencing two people, not saying Petraeus is the joint chief of staff.
Hm, Petraeus get promoted when I wasn't looking?
He needs the ear probe with a team telling what to say like Robin Williams spoofed Ronald Reagan. That and just enough anti-psychotic medicine to keep him from chewing his tongue.
RayRay @ 26:
Well, we still differ on the age thing, Ray Ray; I wouldn't votre for someone my age. I know from first-hand experience how many "senior moments" someone my age can have. how often one can forget simple, everyday things. I want someone young, in the prime of life; healthy and alert - and highly intelligent.
Wow! I guess I've picked Obama, haven't I?
ah, the bush legacy has many tentacles. one being the nation's lull into expecting and accepting huge and embarrassing gaffes. and on a bush-gaffe-scale, this is pretty low. which dangerously underestimates the seriousness of mccain's continuing gaffe-fest.
I guess its time to stop routing for Clark, I dont even have a vp I can route for anymore, my candidate lost, my vp isnt going to be on the ticket. Wow bummer. Good news is i think McCain is just about done, I wouldnt doubt the GOP ditch him at the last second and run a younger more charasmatic charachter. They could site his Cancer scare as the reason. I dont doubt that they will, Becuase he is becoming more unelectable by the day, with gaff after gaff. Did you see him knock all that stuff off the shelf at the supermarket. the video is at http://www.mccanes.com (they also have a video of mccain taking a fall), all the while barack obama is looking like an NBA super star, (arrogence and all) even taking time to stop and have a cigar break video at http://www.theobamaplan.com I mean really what is the GOP going to do. McCain cannot win at this point and we havnt even started the debates.
You could go to a site www.veeppeek.com to sign a petition for your favorite veep. and see where your veep stands in realation to the other veeps. Tim Kaine isnt a bad choice I guess, just not my pick.
Ditto. I don't think McCain should be president of his own bowel movements but we do't need to chse down red herrings. He was listing the 2.
I was dittoing 28.
I don't know - I have five siblings, and as my father hit his 70s he often addressed us by the wrong name. He would usually quickly try to correct himself, but then sometimes still have trouble coming up with the correct name. But the guy could breakdown and rebuild a '64 Chevy engine without a hitch. But my father at this point was long retired from engineering. I really think McCain's age is a factor in these numerous gaffes. But is it serious or just little mind slips? To be POTUS I don't think there should be any question, especially given what we now know about Reagan, yet his seemingly good health at the beginning of his presidency. Look at how the presidency aged Clinton and Bush II - look at their campaign photos compared to their 8th year as president. And this is by far a more volatile time. I honestly don't think McCain could last 8 years, maybe not even 4. John McCain will be 72 years old next month - how many presidents have been elected at 70 years of age or older? Answer: 0. Reagan was a few weeks short of his 70th birthday. The next oldest was William Henry Harrison at age 68...who lasted all of one month.
RayRay @ 22:
Another obvious attempt by a right-winger trying to parody ageist, far-left liberal viewpoints. No doubt he'll screencap his own comment before it gets scrubbed and send it to Michelle Malkin's website so she can exploit it. So Rovian.
I don't think that was a gaffe...that's the way McCain speaks. He was referencing two people. He's perfectly capable of making such a mistake but this wasn't one of them. Wait for the real thing before you jump...don't worry, he'll give us plenty.
Oh one more thing, I am being serious. Could you imagine McCain even having enough energy to run your local Mcdonalds. Seriously. Think about it next time your in line watching the Mcdonalds manager run around taking orders and shouting orders. McCain couldnt do it. So I ask You how will McCain be president???
The RNC backed the wrong candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price. Losing the Highest Office in the Land. Wish Ron Paul would run. theyre is still a chance. www.BarrPaul08.com
Conservativeslayer @ 28:
This old coot just likes spewing out technical military jargon, like CJCS.
They were grooming me for that job, ya know, after my Hanoi Hilton stint
Conservativeslayer @ 28:
totally in agreement here... the guy is a serial fuck-up, but there is a molehill being made here where there is nothing... clearly he says, the joint cheifs and petreus... our time and effort is better spent trying to convince obama not to escalate in afganistan, thus dragging us into an endless war of terror as framed by bushco...
next...
It's his strategery...he's trying to emulate W, and thus be electable.
calendar age: 72
biological age:78
i will say this john mccain is collecting social security
so he probably knows a lot about the system....i think he should be asked with a preface of letting people know this. personally i don't believe in attacking age but for this job and the gaffes it may needed.
Oh, and another thing: has anyone thought of the oddity of our superpower waging war in Mesopotamia with a commander whose name sounds Roman?
LockeNessMonster @ 36:
Your father's abilities vis a vis car repair were from his younger days. He retained the knowledge to do that. It doesn't mean he would have been good at responding to new situations and learning new knowledge/skills. As I said above, I'm 63, and my ability to learn new skills, etc., is waning as I grow older. Believe me, age is definitely an important factor in McLame's ability to govern.
He definitely means Patreus and the Joint Chiefs of staff.
dennis @ 37:
Just one question, Dennis: Are you for real?
McFruitN'Nuts does understand that as CIC, if he launches a nuclear strike...that the missiles cannot be recalled. Doesn't he?
Galaga @ 5:
Can't have a zero in the denominator.
"How many of these slips do we need to experience before we get nervous of a larger pattern?"
When it comes to McSurge, I've been nervous for quite some time now - since 1999 or so. Add in a few "polls" showing McSurge closing the gap with BO and you've got the fixins for a full-on breakdown.
Surging Blue Lensman @ 51:
a debate format using YouTube to question/expose those gaffe(s) might take him their...the edge that is.
Grampa mcsame has the air of a man who is not entirely aware of his surroundings most of the time. If he was suddenly bereft of his swarm of helper bunnies I expect he'd find a washroom to hole up in until everyone had left and then meander out alone in the hope of discovering which city he was in.
In all seriousness if he didn't have staffers leading him around all day and telling him what to say and how to behave he'd have driven the 'crap talk express' off a verbal cliff from which there would be no return by now. They're barely keeping him on track as it is. Like wrapping a pile of laundry in bailing wire. He's coming apart all over the place.
I'm not that blog-savvy as some of the people here but I heard it and thought, "Oh geez and rice! Another screw-up!". I'm so glad Sen. McCain is a military-guy that knows, you know, military things.
There ought to be a website devoted to Daily McCain Gaffes and one devoted to Daily McCain Flip-Flops! That would be popular!
Why do people think this "Senator" can lead the country and free world?
the problem with some of these "gaffes" is that he then builds his whole argument or line of reasoning on a false premise (i.e., his fuckup on the timeline of the surge and the anbar awakening). if it was just a matter of a slip-of-the-tongue that would be one thing, but i'm worried that he doesn't even know he's fucking up and actually believes what he's saying.
Someone should make a book before the election with all of the McCain Flip - Flops plus gaffes. I bet it would sell a few copies especially if everything was backed up with facts and references.
Okay, here's the thing...
I absolutely LOVE this site. You guys have been my progressive lifeline when the dookie storms of repugnicanism really started to hurt. But nowadays it seems like all the focus is on John McCain and either his stupidity or his laughably small grasp of the world. We all know this stuff. Right now we have some of the most important hearings in this century going on in regards to the damage done to us by Bush Co. We have that blond douchebag Monica Goodling possibly going to the hoozgow, we have a Clint Eastwood style standoff between Conyers and Karl Rove, we have Michaels Reagan and Savage both possibly losing their shows for going way over the line, etc. etc.
I Love you guys, but I know John McCain is a douche and so does everyone here. Even without someone like Obama on the opposing ticket, this guy has as much chance of winning the presidency as I have with having a threesome on the wing of a stealth fighter with Jessicas Alba and Biel....
It's not my place to criticize a site I love so much, I know, but I had to say it.
Samson- @ 32:
That's a good point, Bush has lowered the bar so low, it's almost impossible to react to a gaffe, no matter how insane it is.
After 8-years of Bushisms, America is just numb.
I don't consider being completely wrong about what you're talking about, when you're running for President a "gaffe." I consider it an outrage.
This is gaffe number 546 for St. McCain. Doesn't matter, however, since the mainstream media gives him a free pass.
Nada @ 53:
Ah, yes. Things just haven't been the same since they replaced baling wire with that pink plastic string stuff. It doesn't hold the fenders on my '57 VW nearly as good as the wire did.
Great image! thanks.
Anakin Jaywalker @ 57:
you may be correct but i feel C&L is just having a mccain attention spike due to his recent ridiculous comments regarding obama's europe trip. these comments are difficult to ignore...
OT: Just heard that Republican Senator Steven, Alaska, has been indited and further details are forthcoming soon.
doggiebobo @ 63:
Good. Sentence him to a 30 year drive on the bridge to nowhere.
Bajaboy @ 48:
I wanted to ask you that very question, Bajaboy. The last time I saw bigotry on the order you've displayed it here was when I last watched All in the Family back in the 70's. You're like the man time and decency left behind.
The Exotic, yet bitter Chico Hussein Escuela @ 58:
I refer to it as "The Stupidity Index"
I thought that was John McCain...or was it Dick Cheney. Gosh, so many out of touch fascists, its hard to keep track.
We judge candidates by a lot of things. Making misstatements is easy and both Obama and McCain have done so. But you also have to look at the continuing pattern of such misstatements. It really looks like McCain is often confused, inarticulate, and just slow about a number of these issues. The impression is that he is being "protected" by his staff and everything he does is scripted. When he is put into ad-hoc situations where he has to answer questions he often says things that are just wrong.
Are you enjoying riding around the town in your 1908-model McGaff-o-matic?
Maybe it’s time to look at “the conditions under the ground in Iraq,” that is, six feet under the ground, when the one million Iraqis murdered by Bush lie in their graves. It is time to end our hostile imperial occupation of Iraq. Haven’t we do enough to the Iraqi people?
Liberal AND Proud @ 64:
CSPAN-2 is having a news briefing at 1:20PM EST
Anakin Jaywalker @ 57:
You know there are moments when I feel the same way. I think 'Another mcsame is obviously unfit post' and wonder why the repeat but then I realize that it really SHOULD be repeated. Loudly and often. Look at what we're up against. The msm started this horserace firmly behind mcsame and for the most part remains there. They ignore obvious warning signs and things that people should be aware of. So I think repeating tales of his obvious confusion, lack of knowledge and ability are important. There are people who need to see/hear it. Maybe someone will come across these articles and learn something.
The msm repeat their lies constantly. It's important to do the same with the truth as often as possible.
dennis @ 65:
Okay, you've made a statement; back it up: provide proof of any bigotry I've displayed.
I assumed Petreaus was the Second Coming, I'm shocked that he's only Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
Pejoratives aside, I think that it is fair to say John McCain has demonstrated repeatedly that the words from his mouth often foster ambiguity. Intentional or no, the lack of clarity that results has, to a certain degree, a prophylactic effect against charges of flip-flopping, regardless of the extent to which he may change a position.
The press finds itself summarizing McCain's positions in a manner that does not always match the literal content of his words. Rather, it relies on the presumed gist of his arguments based on a tacit assumption that his words cannot simply be taken at face value. That type of coverage was also common with George W. Bush.
So, in this manner, McCain can question Obama's patriotism and not, support timetables and not, call Petraeus the CoJCS and not, etc. If the water is muddied enough, intent and meaning are sufficiently obscured to allow deniability or the benefit of the doubt. The press still falls back on established narratives and unquestionable truths. For example: McCain is a straight talker. And not.
All these McCain gaffes mean to me is that he isn't a great thinker. He doesn't keep his mind on details. He gets things screwed up even though he should know better because he isn't concentrating on what he is saying. He is not concentrating on what he is saying but how he is saying it. In his strive to sound authoritative and knowledgeable his mind causes him to mix up the facts. I do this alot too. But I do it because I am shy and not a public speaker. When I get to talking to people in a public forum I get kinda tongue tied and say things that I know are worng. They just come out. I don't even really hear myself saying them. For me it is just nerves. I think for McCain it is part PTSD and part ADD. After all he was a lousy student and a lousy pilot. He just doesn't have it upstairs.
The point about his age is that he's 72 now. Take a look at any recent president, even Bush, and see how much they aged in office. McCain doesn't look or act particularly young for 72, and even if McCain gets elected to a single term (and survives it) he'll be totally spent.
On top of it all is the terrifying combination of a bad temper (that he's apparently proud of), impulsive behavior, and a lack of knowledge about current events.
Reminds me of an old observation about Reagan (forgot by whom): "I'd sleep better if I didn't know that the finger that can push the nuclear button didn't string tied around it"
Bajaboy @ 72:
..."and the media gives him a free pass because it would be entirely embarrassing to everyone to point out how demented his 72-year-old head must be"
"A man who has no idea the difference between his left foot and right foot anymore, and who just might be wearing pull-ups to protect against any accidents."
And the worst.."There must be a rule against this"....
Because unless you aren't aware that there is not a rule against it, you are both ignorant AND bigoted. Or maybe it's that you want to create a law because of hunch you have about his age, a hunch not based on any kind of medical or mental qualifications on your part.
So why don't you kindly provide us with any qualified knowledge you have of age-related dementia, and proof that John McCain is afflicted with it. He's been checked by medical doctors and given a clean bill of physical and mental health. If you know otherwise, please, enlighten me. Otherwise, you are just another ageist, liberal bigot.
This is just a slip of the tongue. Or he meant to say something and then changed his mind in the middle of a sentence
McCain didnt mean Petraeus is chairman of joint Chiefs of staff. And he even says immediately after he misspoke: "General Petraeus, our commander on the ground" and earlier: "the way that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said, the way that General Petraeus has said".
It might actually be easier to report on what he gets right at this point…
Could you really bring yourself to say something complimentary about a Republican? JK... :)
I heard him describe Petraeus as the Chairmaan of the Joint Chiefs in a clip on NPR yesterday. The news reader didn't say a word about it. I was stunned.
Moggy @ 12:
C'mon! To compare Grampers' shopping spree to the Tank photo-op is an insult to Dukakis. All Dukakis really did wrong was to commit this fatal atrocity during his campaign against a fossilized failure of a California Governor embarking on the first stages of Alzheimers and some silver spoon fed weasel Bonesman from the CIA by way of Kennebunkport, both supported by the then surgically fierce RNC. Had Dukakis been running against McCain and Mittens instead of a b-rate actor and the sanke oiler who couldn't recall that America was attacked on December 7th, and not September 7th, though he was a pilot in the Pacific Theatre during that attack, America would have boasted the first Greek President.
I agree with you, but feel you should have taken this ReThugniCon planted shopper thing to it's more appropriate conclusion. McCain, the closet elitist, was beyond clueless and out of place. McCain magnificantly epitomized a whole new sub-human phyllum of sociopathic mental defectives, a category shared exclusively by himself, his beer baroness wife, lobbyists, corporatocrats, and the Bush43 Administration. The good news is that, thanks to the Prince Dumya the Feckless, son the King Weasel, the GOP ain't what it was when Dukakis screwed the pooch. Worst of all, Gramps offers a lot less viable material for the GOP to work against Obama than Reagan and Poppy did against Dukakis. This compares better to Nixon the Ugly going against Jack the Wanton. The Ugly appealed to a few. But, those wanting the Wanton put Jack in Camelot!
It's the Ibogaine talking.
Maybe he plans on making Petraeus a running mate
He'll be carrying the button
To the defibullator.
dennis @ 77:
Now again dennis...you call for proof from others, when you yourself have been asked to back up or provide proof on one thing or another...and failed to do so on damn near every occasion.
Once again you display the cognitive dissonance so rampant among the right.
Crooks and Liars commenters get the award for being the most clever McCain nickname creators in the blogosphere!
Mcfruitn'nuts is hands down my winner for the day!
McGaff-o-matic and McGeezer are close seconds.
Thanks for the great laughs!
Jessie @ 85:
Any name with a ready made "Mc" in the front of it is a golden comedy template anyhoo...
liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation @ 84:
It is wild how quickly republicans will claim victim status and call people out for various "-isms" (ageism, racism, chauvinism, elitism). They cry foul when anyone else points to discrimination, yet they accuse everyone else of discrimination when we simply reject what they have to offer. I don't care how old McCain is. But he is a doddering fool who can't keep his facts straight, but who is so hardheaded that he thinks he is right even when mistaken. Maybe people are sick of having a shortfused bonehead for President. Which is discriminatory... but when it comes to merit... the electorate should discriminate.
McCain is failing, physically. I'm betting he has no more than 2-4 years left, and he'll be incapacitated well before that. The failing memory and gradual loss of reasoning skills are just two casualties of the process. He's buried under thick layers of grease paint to keep him from looking like a corpse. I've seen the same pattern of decline played out in many others. When I look at him, I see somebody who is not-so-slowly dying.
Hell of a way to spend his remaining time in this world.
I want to know, who dresses him? And how does he manage to eat with a fork and not stab himself in the eye?
C&L asks the questions: Do you think it was nothing but a simple slip of the tongue? How many of these slips do we need to experience before we get nervous of a larger pattern?
If it were Larry Craig, I would get nervous just seeing him walk towards me. <a href="http://signorile2003.blogspot.com/2008/07/larry-craig-ate-my-butt.html"
dennis @ 78:
Obviously we both have a different view of "clean bill of health." A person who suffers a very aggressive form of melanoma, for starters, can not be considered to be healthy. Also did you bother to point out that his latest medical report was several pages long, and in no where it was stated that he had a "clean bill of health." Here is a hint: when you need multiple pages to describe your medical health status, it is not "clean."
Alas wingnut trolls would make Orwell proud with their level of double speak.
I got a kick that you guys are now playing the "ageist" victim card.
It takes a special kind of asshole really...
St. Paul Scout @ 90:
LOL, it took me a second to get the joke. Glad to know I am not the only one with a dark sense of humour! LOL...
Paul @ 89:
He has been a miserable failure all his fucking life. I think at some point it just came to him that he needed something to keep the McCain name going, like daddy and granddaddy.
And here we are, yet stuck with another self centered, overwhelmingly inept old white man, with a massive inferiority complex and unbounded sense of entitlement. And we have to be the ones paying for his fucking daddy issues, again...
Because god knows the clusterfuck that has been the Bush family's therapy for the better part of a century has almost sunk this country. Luckily the old fart McCain has little time to go in this earth.
Paul @ 89:
Funny how the mortality rate is running just about at 100%. ;)
Can you predict the future more near-term? Perhaps the winner of this year's Series?
What's with the orange Boontard glow of McCryptKeeper's face?
I've watched FoxNews tinker with photos before. I believe ABC
News has now achieved those same photoshop skills. Bravo!
BT-catapillah killah @ 88:
Indeed..the mentality of these individuals brings to my mind the mindset that must have been prevalent during the Salem Witch Trials...
Tyler Durden @ 94:
Mr Durden....that's about the nuts and bolts of it I'm afeert.
Sorry, I didn't hear him equate Petraeus with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. I heard two verbal clauses separated by a comma--a parallel structure, not an equation.
There is no need to reach for McCain's gaffes, he makes plenty without going after ambiguous cases.
Vigilance with discipline, people. Don't nibble around the edges when you can shoot the side of a barn.
peaceful easy feeling @ 95:
That is the near term. I worked few years in a hospital and the work included a lot of time with elderly and terminal patients. Unavoidably, I made observations, watching a lot of people at the end of their lives. Nothing precise here, just from repeated obsevations of him speaking, the way he carries his body when he moves and his general appearance. I got your joke and am aware that the first rule of the universe is that nobody gets out of it alive. I'm just saying that if he got elected, I'd be surprised if he made it through a term, and would expect that his vice president would be running the show fairly early on.
Sorry, I don't follow sports.
Tyler Durden @ 94,
Well said.
BT-catapillah killah @ 88:
Certainly there is a level of false "victimization" which is often claimed, even when people are deserving of constructive criticism.
The problem with the far left/right is far too many don't know how to "simply reject" an opposing view on public policy without taking things so personally.
This one should be ignored, IMO. It could have been just a slip of the tongue (not inserting an "and") like Obama's 58 states thing. McCain has said so many wrong and awful things lately (especially the "I know how to " capture Bin Laden one) that this one is tiny and distracting.
Any name with a ready made "Mc" in the front of it is a golden comedy template anyhoo...
Yes. I have to admit to being far too easily amused.
McGaffes aside...I hope election integrity (a potentially huge issue here in AZ) will be a major focus for Obama and progressive candidates in the coming months.
"How many of these slips do we need to experience before we get nervous of a larger pattern?"
Nicole, I'm so all ready there! (Pssst; Did you hear? Phoenix is 99% pacified!)
How can our country really think seriously of making this man our POTUS? I'm extremely nervous that he'll forget with whom he's speaking during a high-level security meeting. Maybe he could employ a "handler" to keep him out of trouble?
You can't suggest that there is something wrong with McCain because that would be age-ist.
(Yawn)... A-nother 'gaffe'???? This is kinda gettin to be a routine thing with the old man these days ain't it????? JD
Jessie @ 86:
McKeatingFive
"It might actually be easier to report on what he gets right at this point…"
Well... praise where it's due. He did make a supportable statement today. He said, in response to some "conservative" questioner in a "town hall meeting" (paraphrasing) that if the climate change people are wrong and you've done something to address the perceived problem, you've done nothing but make the world a better place, whereas if they are right and you do nothing...
I think we're beginning to lower ourselves to the level of the McCain
campaign in trying to claim that McCain called Petraeus the chairman of the
joint chiefs. He clearly did not.
dennis @ 78:
First, none of those quotes are from posts I've made. Get yourself a better fact-checker; that one you borrowed from Fox Nesw isn't too good.
Second, my statements about age-related mental deficiencies were either from personal experience (my own age-related screw-ups) or are commonly known (the fact that older people can retain very good ability to do things they learned at a younger age, but may have difficulty acquiring new skills. Haven't you ever heard the saying, "It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks"?) Sure that's a cliche, but cliches are not scorned because of inaccuracy; it's because they are so over-used.
So, unless you can come up with an example of my public bigotry, STFU.
dennis @ 78:
Oh, and by the way: it's kind of hard for an old geezer like myself to be an ageist. Get a clue dumbass.
listening to Npr the author of "U.S. against them" I heard that R. Reagan had stated the ICBM's could be recalled after they were launched -- this sounds completely like MckCain's gaffes -- I guess we're seeing Deja-alloveragain. Maybe there are folks in the party looking for easily manipulated candidates, otherwise this shit would scare them also.
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