John Dean Confirms Suskind's Book Focuses On Impeachable Crimes
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Aug 05, 2008 4:00pm
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I don't know that the revelations from Ron Suskind's new book The Way of The World are truly bombshells, so much as confirmation of what we in the liberal blogosphere have always said: the Bush administration wanted to go to war in Iraq and were willing to do whatever they had to to sell it to the American people.
But what is key to me is that there is very little left to which people like Nancy Pelosi can hold on to claim that there is no proof of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the White House. John Dean--no stranger to impeachment proceedings--has been saying that this administration is worse than watergate for years. On Tuesday's Countdown, he confirms that Suskind's findings absolutely signal impeachable offenses on the part of the administration and why it is critical that Congress find their spines and pursue it:
OLBERMANN: The big picture question. As I‘ve been saying, you saw enough in Bush in malfeasance by the end of 2003 to have titled that book "Worse than Watergate." Suskind says in his that just the Iraq part is worse than Watergate. Do you concur with his assessment?
DEAN: Well, I do and I base mine largely on the excessive secrecy which he has only added more detail and information about and the consequences of that secrecy. And, of course, in Watergate, nobody died as a result of Nixon‘s so-called abuses of power nor was anybody tortured. So, we‘re playing in a whole different field and on a different level. So, I think he is right, it is worse.
OLBERMANN: The devil‘s advocate question in this one, John, is-the Bush administration ends in six months, presumably-why is simply, you know, getting the shovel, the historical shovel out and covering this up with as much clean and sanctified dirt as we can not enough? Why is forgetting this man and his presidency not enough?
DEAN: Keith, I think it‘s more than a devil‘s advocate question. It really is the central question in the 2008 campaign. If we have another Republican administration, we‘re going to see more of the same that this sort of material that‘s revealed by Suskind.
Full transcripts below the fold, including Olbermann's exclusive interview with author Suskind
In our fourth story on the COUNTDOWN: The book‘s assertions would obviously destroy deniability for the president and would constitute criminal wrongdoing worse than Watergate.
As noted by Mr. Suskind in his book, "Under a 1991 amendment to statutes that created CIA and that govern its actions. There is a passage that reads no covert action may be conducted which is intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media."
Suskind adding, "The operation created by the White House and passed to the CIA pertains to the White House‘s knowingly misusing an arm of the government, the sort of thing generally taken up in impeachment proceedings."
Let‘s turn now to Nixon White House counsel John Dean, author, of course, of "Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush" and a columnist for FindLaw.com.
John, always a pleasure. Thanks for your time tonight.
JOHN W. DEAN, FMR. NIXON WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL: Thank you, Keith.
OLBERMANN: Before we broaden out, that CIA statute that he cited, is Suskind right, is the violation of that, (A), did it happen; (B), is that by itself an impeachable offense?
DEAN: Well, I think, if indeed it did happen, there are some real problems. I don‘t think people are looking at it too narrowly or Suskind is when I read his book. What happens when you tie that with a criminal conspiracy statute, 18 USC 371, which nailed countless people in Watergate for misusing the agencies and departments of government-that‘s where they‘ve got a problem.
That‘s where Nixon had a problem for telling the CIA to block the FBI for part of the Watergate investigation. Yes, it was obstruction but it was also defrauding the government. This is their real problem with that statute. This may be why some of these people are having second thoughts about being on the record with Ron.
OLBERMANN: Well, once again, as we know, history repeats itself. Suskind has tapes. And the tie between Watergate and this is-is deniability, plausible deniability or the lack thereof. In your opinion, if this book is accurate, if the allegations are correct here, are the links clear enough about the president on the specific issue of knowing criminality?
DEAN: Well, what I‘ve read so far, no. It looks like Cheney has been very effective in setting up his deniability and always being the failsafe for Bush. And as they start waterboarding the vice president, which isn‘t too likely, he is the man that the trail ends right there, as it did with Scooter Libby, for example.
OLBERMANN: The big picture question. As I‘ve been saying, you saw enough in Bush in malfeasance by the end of 2003 to have titled that book "Worse than Watergate." Suskind says in his that just the Iraq part is worse than Watergate. Do you concur with his assessment?
DEAN: Well, I do and I base mine largely on the excessive secrecy which he has only added more detail and information about and the consequences of that secrecy. And, of course, in Watergate, nobody died as a result of Nixon‘s so-called abuses of power nor was anybody tortured. So, we‘re playing in a whole different field and on a different level. So, I think he is right, it is worse.
OLBERMANN: The devil‘s advocate question in this one, John, is-the Bush administration ends in six months, presumably-why is simply, you know, getting the shovel, the historical shovel out and covering this up with as much clean and sanctified dirt as we can not enough? Why is forgetting this man and his presidency not enough?
DEAN: Keith, I think it‘s more than a devil‘s advocate question. It really is the central question in the 2008 campaign. If we have another Republican administration, we‘re going to see more of the same that this sort of material that‘s revealed by Suskind.
Those people have been well-implanted-as we learned from the testimony on the record and the inspector general‘s report of what‘s happening in the Department of Justice-this is really true throughout the government. These people are there, that mentality is there. And if there isn‘t a serious change of parties controlling the top of the government, we‘re going to see much more of this.
OLBERMANN: John Dean, the author of "Worse than Watergate" and "Broken Government," giving his assessment of Ron Suskind‘s reporting tonight, an extraordinary thing as it is. Great thanks, as always, John.
DEAN: Thank you, Keith.
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Meanwhile, the Repugs are stamping their feet like angry children about drilling and Nacy is enjoying her vacation while our country goes down the tubes. Reminds me of Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
If we have another Republican administration, we‘re going to see more of the same that this sort of material that‘s revealed by Suskind.
Old wrinkly white haired guy: We're winning in iraq by.... er, eh... winning! Buffalo chip anyone?
How about Bush landing in JAIL???
Is it possible to begin impeachment hearings against Pelosi for criminal negligence of her duties as speaker of the house if she refuses to allow impeachment hearings against Bushco?
Vote for Sheehan.
Not just that , but it will be a replay of Shrub the Elder taking office after Ronnie Retard's criminal presidency and being able to cover their tracks .........
Yet more confirmation that Bush, Cheney, et. al. are criminals and should be impeached IMMEDIATELY. We have to make it clear to future president and their lackies that America is a nation of laws and that THEY have to follow those laws as much as we do.
Of course, I also think Pelosi should be convicted of treason for her ongoing aiding and abetting of these war crimes. After all, she also is sworn to protect and defend the Constitution and she has not done so, nor allowed her Democratic associates do so. Her blindness (or is it acceptance?) toward Bush's crimes shows that not only should she lose her position as Speaker, she should be convicted.
By refusing to consider impeachment, Pelosi has refused to do her job. First, I saw we impeach Bush and Cheney, then slap criminal charges against Condi, Powell, Ashcroft, Gonzales, and Rumsfeld. Second, charge Pelosi and Reid as collaborators and remove them from power.
Third, kiss Tinkerbell and slap Captain Hook--because impeachment or other punishment is about as likely to happen as Neverland.
Congress is just waiting for all of the Bush crimes to equal one BJ then impeachment proceeding will start.
The Con Cabal wanted a society of absolute ignoramuses, drooling imbeciles and soulless technocrats who lack the sense to oppose them.
They've pretty much succeeded. And they've even managed to turn dissent into a big commercial money making industry in the process.
"OLBERMANN: Well, once again, as we know, history repeats itself. Suskind has tapes. And the tie between Watergate and this is-is deniability, plausible deniability or the lack thereof. In your opinion, if this book is accurate, if the allegations are correct here, are the links clear enough about the president on the specific issue of knowing criminality?
DEAN: Well, what I‘ve read so far, no. It looks like Cheney has been very effective in setting up his deniability and always being the failsafe for Bush. And as they start waterboarding the vice president, which isn‘t too likely, he is the man that the trail ends right there, as it did with Scooter Libby, for example."
Cheney has done a really good job of keeping bush out of the loop when it was needed. That's why charges of impeachment won't stick. Now charges of impeachment against Cheney might have a better chance.
Except for those Cambodians...
And just think Americans could be stupid and actually vote for McCain. My mother is one, then again she is a Limpballs fan and O'Liely is her god. She thinks Mccain is an honest man. When I pointed out Mccain dumped his injured older wife for a years younger rich Barbie Doll. She told me every one makes mistakes.(????) This is the same woman who wanted Clinton impeached for HIS affair with Monica.
Let's remember that John Dean knows about criminal activity. Of course the Bush administration has made Watergate look like a Girl Scout outing in comparison.
My apologies to Girl Scouts for associating them with slime like Bush and his henchmen.
Nothing will ever happen to anyone.
We can hope they die horrible deaths, we can wish they were never got elected, but nothing will ever happen.
Why? Because there were too many dems that went right along with (and worse) the current administration.
There's not a set of fucking balls between the whole fucking lot of them.
Fuck all the republicans that pandered to this administration, and fuck all the dems that are now continuing to allow this fucking criminal regime operate.
About the only one that is a true American is Dennis Kucinich.
Special fuck you goes out to the big pussy Conyers who is Pelosi's bitch.
And fuck her as well.
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bottom line we need to make sure mcBush doesn't get
elected dean ended the interview with that gem. this administration probably knew info would come out. they don't care. they have been prepared for it.
Kilgore@12, LOL. Your are right though. Watergate wasa minor incident compared to what Bush and his henchmen have done.
P.D. Sorry about your mum. But like many they cannot unlearn what they have been taught. No amount of logic will make them change their mind. My mum was the same way with marijuana when I was growing up. Could not make her see how less dangerous it was than alcohol. Even at the end when she was had cancer, I couldn't convince her it would ease the pain. I mean Jesus on a crutch, what did she think would happen, with only months to live she was worried about addictions or whatever evils she was taught.
Vinny Corpuscle @ 3:
Jail for war crimes, to be specific. The dis-likes of Liar Cheney, Liar Rice, Liar Rumsfeld, inc., are also war criminals, and they need to be put in prison, too.
Not enough time ?
How long did the johnson impeachment take ? A week? Ten days?
Froomkin also says the crimes are actionable, see http://cabdrollery.blogspot
OOOOOOh come on people.......No body is going to be impeached....This Demo Congress doesn't have the jacobs to do anything to this current white house resident. So save your breath. The Dems are on some cume---bye---ya crap.........
the evidence of war crimes and impeachable offenses are overwhelming, and yet the weak Dem leadership will not do anything.
A real Democratic leadership would hold an impeachment hearing everyday until Bush resigned or was convicted. Of course we dont have a real leadership, just a bunch of corporate whores and weak kissasses.
tjb @ 19:
Andrew Johnson? I thought his impeachment failed by one vote.
Liar McCain would be an even BIGGER puppet than Liar Bush has been, and he would be controlled by both the same neo-con criminals, along with some NEW neo-con criminals we don't know about yet.
OK OK I'm going to buy Suskind's book. I have too much to read already but this may be a classic. Has anyone read it yet?
lj @ 25:
I've read his others and I'm getting this one this weekend. I think it was only released to the public yesterday.
I mean hey, what will it take for Buchwacker to be impeached. He'll have to walked up to Pelosi and kick her in the a$$. I bet after that. She'll turn around and say "sorry". How much do you want to bet?
I just saw Wolf Blitzer hammer Suskind about his book. If I didn't know ant better, I'd swear Blitzie was on the White Houses payroll.
bush: hey dick they started the impeachment thingy like you said...what do you thnk?
cheney: don't you remember the plan call olmert give him the okay on operation attack iran....
bush: gotcha dick...i'll call blackwater on martial law
will teach those liberals about following the constitution
As if aggressive war, torture, and illegal surveillance (violation of FISA) were not impeachable offenses.
Oh wait, Congress legalized all of those…
NEVER MIND!
What this country needs is a Jeffersonian REVOLUTION!
P.D. @ 28:
How do you know he isn't?
P.D. @ 28:
The MSM is garbage. I get more info from comedy central and the cartoon network.
More importantly if you have another Republican administration, all of the criminal activities that the current Bushies haven't managed to cover up, will be covered up by McCain, and any criminals that slipped through the cracks will be pardoned.
All of the criminals who broke the law for Reagan during the Iran/Contra mess were pardoned by George H.W. Bush, allowing the whole thing to be forgotten about.
The reason Oliver North is a paid consultant for FUX NEWS instead of sitting in a jail cell is because a Republican Bush administration followed the Republican Reagan administration.
The reason Nixon wrote his memoirs, instead of standing trial was because a Republican Ford administration followed a Republican Nixon administration.
pissed off patricia @ 23:
No, he was easily impeached on trumped up charges. The Senate vote to convict was short by one vote.
Remember that Johnson was a Democrat who ran as Lincoln's VP on the National Union Party (not the GOP) ticket. Johnson wanted to dump Edwin Stanton as the Secretary of War. The Radical Republican-dominated Congress overrode Johnson's veto of their bill specifically written to protect Stanton- himself a Radical Republican- from losing his office. Johnson still sacked Stanton. The House filed 11 articles of Impeachment, and the Senate failed to convict. Seven (non-Radical) Republicans voted in support of Johnson. The whole thing lasted about three months.
But I don't think proceedings against Bushco would be able to last less than a year. And even if all the evidence was gathered and presented, even if Bushco lawyers failed to to stall the proceedings and a trial took place before the next inaugaration, There is no way that there would be enough Republicans who would vote to convict Bushco, no matter the weight of the evidence.
But you don't UNDERSTAND!
Impeaching the president is
a) a waste of time because you'll never get a conviction and impeachment is only relevant if you convict
b) uncalled for because there's no PROOF that the president did anything wrong and, as we all know, you never open an investigation into wrongdoing until you have PROOF of guilt, just like they had on Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon. Yes sir, in both those cases they had rock solid proof before a single hearing was convened, before any independent council was hired, before any subpoenas were issued
c) ill-advised, as impeachment hearings are necessarily partisan and likely to hurt Democrats in the upcoming election. As we all know, the sworn duty of all members of congress is to preserve, protect and defend their party's electoral prospects. All other duties are subordinate to this one.
Now, since the congress will obviously not impeach this president under any circumstances, and has said so, it therefore stands to reason that everything this president has done is by definition legal and constitutional.
So get ready for decades of Bush and his defenders saying "hey, if you had a problem with any of this, why didn't you impeach? Republicans had the integrity to risk political harm and impeach a popular president when THEY believed he had done wrong. So I guess that means that either I did nothing wrong or you didn't do your job. Which is it?"
Whew. Good thing we're not wasting our time on impeachment, eh?
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
It's only criminal if somebody has bothered to pass a law against it. Since laws are usually passed reactively, after millions of people have been hurt, to try and prevent the same thing from happening again, the difference between a financial genius with a vision, and a 'crook' with a financial instrument is often just a matter of TIMING. Sadly, it's been that way all through history.
That's a damn big qualifier, because Nixon was abusing his power years before his re-election campaign, with -- as an earlier comment pointed out -- things like secret bombing in Cambodia (and Laos).
Dean, of course, hardly has clean hands in any of this. He knew years before the rest of the public about the stuff going on in the White House to destroy the careers of Nixon's supposed enemies, and he was even in charge of a few of the projects himself.
I know people love the guy because he's "on our side" in this, but he's continually soft-peddled the cravenness of he guy he worked for during the past four decades.
Paul B. @ 6:
I have to wonder why it is that the Democrats at the top of the food chain are so 'afraid' to impeach Bushco. I can only assume that they are truly cowards or they are somehow in cahoots with the GOP. I'd prefer to think that the Democratic leadership is 'merely' cowardly.
As an aside I truly believe that the GOP leadership is more of a threat to the existence of the United States than the Soviet Union ever was.
But I got an e-mail from the DNC telling me how wonderful it was that nancy was not pursuing impeachment, how can the Democratic party ever be wrong? That's part of the reason I'm not a Democrat, I only registered as one to vote out Schumer in the upcoming primary, f'ing corporatist tool along with Hillary and Obama.
We did our job to give Pelosi the power she wanted. What did we get for all our effort? Another Liebertraitor.
Their all easily bought and paid for by the corporation$, when it requires multi-millions to get elected to anything.
Their using wars based on lies, staged attacks, bogus energy shortages, and taking away our rights, to put us down and keep us there. How many unemployed? How many without health insurance. How many without retirements?
How many more new MULTI-BILLIONAIRES?
Is it the guys living in caves who are really actually hurting us?
OK you got the goods now let congress do something about it. IMPEACHMENT
First, Nicole, thank you for keeping the faith on the need, nay, the necessity of impeachment. You are one of the few in the lefty blogorombloid who has. Most pominent lefty bloggers, including Amato, digby, kos(ugh) and atrios have either been silent or aquiesed to the Pelosicrat line that impeachment would just distract from the important business of things like getting out of Iraq or restoring contitutional government or... Since at least '06 commenters like Mike Myers have been calling daily for impeachment hearings but the influential bloggers have not responded. Look at the weak interview with Pelosi at netroots lalapalooza. Given the state of congress, impeachment require unrelenting pressure on those who are the deciders. This means money bombs for Sheehan and grassroots efforts against Conyers. If the leading lefty bloggers want to justify their prominence, they need to get behind efforts to unseat Pelosi and make Conyers bleed.
jjschwartz @ 38:
Amen to that! Although I'd revise it to say "The GOP and Democratic leadership..." since the Dems have been helping Bushco the entire time. (Not all--a few, like Kucinich, have tried to do their jobs.)
I grew up in the last decades of the Cold War and I saw all the fearmongering about the "Russkies" coming to get us. (Remember the movie "Red Dawn"?) I also remember what the Soviet Union was like back then: a place where dissent was "treason" and people could be "disappeared" at the government's whim; the economy was a disaster, with people unable to buy basic necessities (when such were available)...the list goes on.
American in 2008 more closely resembles the USSR of 1984 than the USA of 1776. And that's the way these fascists like it.
I have repeatedly emailed my representative, a Democrat, to stand up on his hind legs and at least voice his favor for bringing articles of impeachment against this administration to the floor. It isn't that his constituents are mostly raving Republicans because his district is largely rational Democrats or Independents. The only feedback that I got that he 'heard' me was that I've now been removed from his e-mail list. Maybe he didn't like me telling him to stand up on his hind legs. Politicians don't like their manhood, womanhood or patriotism challenged. (Their sensitivity is very telling, I think.)
As 'corrupt' and as self serving as most members of congress are (after all most are really more interested in staying in a position of power than are interested in the welfare of the United States) I do not see how a citizen of this country can belong to either of the two major political parties.
I can recommend some reading for Nancy and other democrats while their on vacation:
"Ron Suskind’s new book The Way of The World "
I hope they grow a spine while on vacation too, I can't believe what an utter bunch of wimps we have as our representatives, makes me wonder just what kind of incriminating evidence that bush co. has on them?
Paul B. @ 43:
Paul B, you are very correct! My oversight. Fact is the current GOP is the GOP. Their platform is greed and the acquisition and retention of power through deceit. (I say 'current' GOP because the GOP wasn't always this way. This GOP is a relatively new phenomenon probably beginning with Reagan. Before Reagan the GOP was a true conservative party. Today's GOP is reactionary and not conservative in the least.) I find more fault with the Democratic Party in that they do not believe in resisting the GOP's unAmerican policies and their treasonous behavior. The fact is that I rather doubt that the Democratic Party believes in anything. I hold the Democratic leadership more accountable than I hold the GOP.
I really wish these reports now coming to light would result in some disciplinary action.
I really do wish.
However, I am realistic and cynical.
Keith Olbermann and John Dean are always a pleasure to watch. Thanks.
Of course, all of the 'aspen roots' connect directly to Cheney. I wonder what is inside his man-sized safe. And the cause of the mysterious fire in his office. Nixon looks like an altar boy next to deadeye Dick. The time to arrest him has long past.
oops, The time to arrest him has long 'passed'.
Proof positive of Pelosi's unfitness to be a U.S. representative and much less the Speaker of the House is her moronic claim that there is no proof of criminal wrongdoing in the White House. You havce to wonder about two things: What is she trying to hide and what type of business goodies are the Pelosis receiving by supporting this criminal administration.
Impeachment should have been initiated a long time ago. We cannot afford to have the Repugs. in office any longer and certainly not win in the next election. We need to get rid of Pelosi, among others, too. How much worse is this country going to get? I'm fearful for the average citizen. We're losing a lot out here, and politicians just don't really understand. They couldn't survive on my salary, that's for sure.
The Seven Stages of an Administration Coming to Grief
The seven stages are:
* Shock or Disbelief
* Denial
* Bargaining
* Guilt
* Anger
* Depression
* Acceptance and Hope
Andrew Sullivan has given us the disbelief:
"I harbor no ill will towards Suskind, but I'm calling bullshit."
We have moved on to denial:
"I never received direction from George Tenet or anyone else in my chain of command to fabricate a document ... as outlined in Mr. Suskind's book," said Robert Richer, the CIA's former deputy director of clandestine operations.
And:
"The notion that the White House directed anyone to forge a letter ... is absurd," said White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto.
Next up, bargaining.
Cue Nancy Pelosi telling us to forget all this impeachment nonsense and focus on the economy and health care instead.
There's always been plenty of evidence for anyone willing to look! Pelosi's a lying filthy war profiteering nazi!
More Proof He Did It
Nice to know that our media outlets have got some serious competition across the water:
"Occasionally I get this tingling that goes down both arms," Ivins wrote to a friend. "At the same time I get a bit dizzy and get this unidentifiable 'metallic' taste in my mouth. (I'm not trying to be funny - It actually scares me a bit.) Other times it's like I'm not only sitting at my desk doing work, I'm also a few feet away watching me do it. There's nothing like living in both the first person singular AND the third person singular!"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/06/anthrax.usa
Maybe it is as it has to be, that is to concentrate fully on winning over the oval office as well as both houses, but there has to be full concentration after November to impeaching those who have broken Constitutional law in the past 8 years. Stay quiet for now, but barama has to know that there will a pressure that he can't imagine to impeach bush and his cronies once he achieves the presidency. any dem or liberal who doesn't support that effort full force needs to go down as well. hear that, pelosi. Need to find a way to incarcerate the radio whores (rush, hannity, savage) and also the turncoats, Lieberman and david gregory to name two of the most flagrant. They all played a major role in bringing this country down and supporting the moron and his supporting cast. Who will ever forget, "...gonna smoke 'em out." or "bring 'em on." or "attaboy, Brownie." What an idiot.
Really, California, you've got to seriously end Pelosi's employment with someone who can actually dump her. (it isn't Cindy)
Forget the misdemeanours Bush, Cheney and crew have committed enough high crimes to sink a country. Oh yeah they have. They are crooks and liars of the highest order and deserve to be treated as the lowest of the low, which they are. They have shredded this Country and it's Constitution. We need to place them on trial before the world to show America will not accept this sort of criminal activity from our leaders. Whether or not it is impeachment or some other form of trial, such a trial needs to happen. It is type of justice we demand from other countries and should be good enough for America.
As for Nixon, didn't several thousand more soldiers die in Vietnam than those in Iraq thus far? And wasn't it his idea to marginalize health care by doing less of it? Those two may have not been the direct reasons why he resigned, but it was a good lead-up to force him out of office. Nixon was the most sinister, and Bush is the dumbest POTUS. I feel it's a toss-up, but I'm hinging on Nixon being the worst president, at least that he got caught red-handed and forced out. Of course, it may be hard to tell since Cheney is most likely destroying the evidence. So assuming Bush and Cheney are impeached, who would make a good interim POTUS before 1/20/2009?...Sadly, even Nixon didn't go to jail for Watergate, MarginalizeHealthCaregate, and Vietnamgate, so there has always been a double standard with executive priviledge for politicians and upscale class scum and the rest of America. If only more proper oversight and order was formed, then America would be a functional democracy. Our leaders in Washington, DC sure seem to lack reason and common sense with what they do for themselves and not for the people and by the people. No wonder why the Post Office has more confidence in the government than that of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches in the Federal Government, not to mention that this is the largest government conducting relentless security under a GOP administration. Such Republicans seem hypocritical when they say they want limited government - you want limited government and individual liberty then you ought to listen to either Ron Paul or Bob Barr more than the neocons! No democratic president has posed absolute power or say and do as they wish. Any wonder why there are more registering democrats and fewer registering republicans? Hope we can return to normalcy by 1/20/2009! The country and economy could sure use a boost by either Obama or anyone smarter and well-reasoned.
WE ALL KNOW that the BUSH regime sold us a WAR in IRAQ based on lies and fabricated false information.........PERIOD. WE CAN ALL AGREE TO THAT.......
WE NEED TO FOCUS NOW ,,,,,,,W?HY?.....PELOSI , REID, CONYER are defending NON-IMPEACHMENT?
NO ONE HAS REALLY GOTTEN A CLEAR RATIONAL for it.
Politic? Perhaps that is what they want us to believe.
Time and devisive? Perhaps but there wasn't time then but we still have time now. Or are they wanting for the clock to run out. WHY? Devisive?, the only division we have now is between 80% disatisfied voters against the 110th Congressional failed leadership.
No one seems to dare want to question and PROBE deeper. After WHAT WE HAVE GONE through nearly 8 years of the worst Presidency and Congressional in the History of United State, NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT TO GO FURTHER TO drive the wooden stake in the heart of the devil.
ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE ALLOWING THIS KIND OF THINGS TO GO ON AND ON....until WE LOSE EVERYTHING ELSE TO THESE VERY FEW BUT POWERFUL CROOKS AND LIARS?
Many of YOU may not have FELT the IMPACT these people have caused to our NATION and the WORLD; but it is SERIOUS. WHO CARE AS LONG AS IT DOESN"T AFFECT YOU. RIGHT? WRONG.......
The MORE AMERICA lose to this criminals the MORE most people will question why YOU have not been affected. You will begin to appear that YOU were part of that problem who have weathered from the loses of the MANY. You will be hated by the MANY
Vinny Corpuscle @ 3:
Nah! Let's just get ten more eggheads to write ten more books about WHY he should be in jail, and then discuss them.
x174 (comment 54), that is interesting, indeed. There is so much more to this story that we will never know. Good for BBC and the few remaining real journalists who are unafraid to tell the truth.
Reasonstein @ 58:
Nixon, as slimy as he was, was TEN times the president that Bush is. Nixon inherited the Vietnam war and found a way to end America's involvment in a no-win situation without losing any more face than was necessary. He then successfully drove a wedge between the USSR and China, causing them to become enemies when they had been allies before, and collaborated in preventing a victory in Korea. That was brilliant. He then negotiated the first nuclear arms limitation treaty with the USSR, ending the out of control arms race, which would have seriously damaged the U.S. economy if allowed to continue. So, IMHO Nixon was pretty good on the foreign policy front.
On the domestic front, in terms of policy issues, yes he allowed HMOs to spring up, putting a profit incentive into NOT delivering medical care, and ultimately bringing us to where we are now. At the same time he started up the NIH, which was a good thing. I wouldn't say the good that came from creating the NIH counterbalances the bads that were created from the HMOs, but at least he did a few things right.
On the political side, yes he was a lot like Bush. Hardball dirty tricks, contempt for Congress, contempt for the law of the land. etc.
But please, don't insult Nixon by comparing him to Bush. At least Nixon had some brains and some skills beyond finding new and creative ways to f*ck the country.
Interesting comments.
A bit off subject with this comments. Why did not the congress do as they did before and have one person each day open and close a session so POTUS could not sneak something in without a proper debate etc? We now have Mexican trucks preparing to travel across the border carrying who knows what posing another loophole for perhaps another attack etc. on the U.S. which will then allow POTUS to put his directive to put us under martial law, call off the election and become dictator. With all the nuclear incidents etc. all POTUS needs is even a small incident.
God help this country and all its' citizens.
sam martin @ 63:
That's actually a good point. Last year they at least kept the Senate in session to prevent Bush from giving more hideous political hatchet men recess appointments, even if it was only Jim Webb who had to show up every other day.
Nancy "I don't want to get involved" Pelosi, disgusts me more than Bush.
She is stopping good people from doing what needs to be done. I hope her corporate overseers paid her handsomely for selling out the constitution, because I don't think history will treat Madam Speaker kindly.
It doesn't really seem to matter how much light is shed on the Bush administration corruption and illegalities. Nothing is being done about it.
I am coming to view Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer as two of American history's arch-criminals for the evil they are allowing to happen or to go unchallenged. I place them at this point just behind the winners of American history's proven arch-criminal duo, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.
Pelosi has got to go. She needs to be impeached for her obstruction of justice and as a criminal accessory to Bush's crimes.
I would imagine that in an interview sometime around 2011, Bush will be saying, "if the president doesn't get caught, then it is not illegal since there is no evidence I'm aware of" - and snickers.
Oh Nicole, you Useful Idiot, you never learn!
Bill Clinton committed many impeachable offenses. Including the bombing of civilians in the Balkans!
Democrats = Republicans!
They are one of the same!
Vote Green! Vote Independent! Demand Accountability!
Nancy and Harry Must Go!
for the sake of this country's very survival, obama must establish a committee today to determine what impact on the voting public his choosing hillary would have on his quest for the presidency. If it is determined, and i believe that it would, that hillary would pull in enough of her constituency that still believes in her and follows her to make this the liberal landslide that it should be, then obama should make nice-nice with her and declare her his running mate asap. the sooner, the better. we cannot allow mcsame and his no-think followers to steal this election.
Tequila @ 10:
...and those Kent Staters, & those Laotians & those Viets & Vets
WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS AS CORRUPT AS THEY COME. CHENEY, BUSH, ROVE, GONZALES, ADDINGTON AND MANY MORE DESERVE TO BE BEHIND BARS. IT IS PATHETIC THAT MANY SUPPOSEDLY INTELLIGENT INDIVIDUALS ARE WILLING TO OVERLOOK THE BLATANTLY OBVIOUS CRIMINALITY OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. THEY F*&#ING LIED TO START A WAR THAT HAS COST OVER 4000 AMERICAN AND COUNTLESS CIVILIAN LIVES. ANYONE THAT CAN SOMEHOW CONDONE THE ACTIONS OF THESE DESPICABLE EXCUSES FOR HUMANITY IS AN IDIOT.
Surely enough the longer the wait for impeachment the more time the right radical conservatives have to destroy all the evidence of no matter what is investigated. The highest of high military and judicial are protecting the ever ending
putrid legacy of G W.... the happy high cheerleader of yesteryear....
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