Tape: Top CIA Official Confesses To 9/11-Iraq War Forgery Came From White House
By Nicole Belle Friday Aug 08, 2008 11:00am
A forged letter linking Saddam Hussein to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks was ordered on White House stationery and probably came from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney, according to a new transcript of a conversation with the Central Intelligence Agency's former Deputy Chief of Clandestine Operations Robert Richer.
The transcript was posted Friday by author Ron Suskind of an interview conducted in June. It comes on the heels of denials by both the White House and Richer of a claim Suskind made in his new book, The Way of The World. The book was leaked to Politico's Mike Allen on Monday, and released Tuesday.
On Tuesday, the White House released a statement on Richer's behalf. In it, Richer declared, "I never received direction from George Tenet or anyone else in my chain of command to fabricate a document ... as outlined in Mr. Suskind's book."
The denial, however, directly contradicts Richer's own remarks in the transcript.
"Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?" Suskind asked.
"No, no, no," Richer replied, according to the transcript. "What I remember is George [Tenet] saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'"
"Which is the White House?" Suskind asked.
"Yes," Richer said. "But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president."
"But he didn't say that specifically," Richer added. "I would naturally--I would probably stand on my, basically, my reputation and say it came from the vice president."
"But there wasn't anything in the writing that you remember saying the vice president," Suskind continued.
"Nope," Richer said.
"It just had the White House stationery."
"Exactly right."
Later, Richer added, "You know, if you've ever seen the vice president's stationery, it's on the White House letterhead. It may have said OVP (Office of the Vice President). I don't remember that, so I don't want to mislead you."
Suskind posted the transcript at his blog, saying, "This posting is contrary to my practice across 25 years as a journalist. But the issues, in this matter, are simply too important to stand as discredited in any way." It was first picked up by ThinkProgress and Congressional Quarterly's Jeff Stein.
But wait, there's more...
The bogus memo claimed that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta had received training in Baghdad but also discussed the arrival of a "shipment" from Niger, which the Administration claimed had supplied Iraq with yellowcake uranium -- based on yet another forged document whose source remains uncertain.
The memo subsequently was treated as fact by the British Sunday Telegraph, and cited by William Safire in his New York Times column, providing fodder for Bush's efforts to take the US to war. [..]
Today, The American Conservative also published a report saying that the forgery was actually produced by then-Defense Undersecretary Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans, citing an unnamed intelligence source. The source reportedly added that Suskind's overall claim "is correct."
"My source also notes that Dick Cheney, who was behind the forgery, hated and mistrusted the Agency and would not have used it for such a sensitive assignment," the magazine wrote. "Instead, he went to Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans and asked them to do the job.
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Let's hear it for "honor and dignity" in the White House.
IMPEACH these bastards, and imprison them.
But, what about John Edwards?
Don't try to change the subject. He is the most read story on cbsnews.com.
So does this count as actual evidence of a crime as far as Pelosi is concerned or is impeachment still off the table? Even if it's not enough to connect Bush to anything, can we at least go after Cheney?
Impeachment still off the table, Nancy. American is much like Germany before Nuremberg...
Can it be executing time yet?
If Pelosi hasn't managed to "see" any crimes up to now, this certainly won't be considered a crime either.
Wow, their surveilance program managed to dig up dirt on Nancy, too.
Sometimes Batman has to do things that are unpopular to save Gotham City.
(see rushlimbaugh, he explains it real good)
Nancy Pelosi, do you have a statement?
The two statements are not mutually exclusive. Mr. Cheney is not in anyone's 'chain of command.' He is merely an understudy for the President and president of the senate. As one former veep is reputed to have said 'the duty of the vice president is to preside over the senate and to inquire daily as to the health of the President." It sounds to me like the White House is obfuscating things again.
This Administration has been allowed to get away with everything, including--quite literally--murder. I have to wonder if they have any intention of stepping down at the end of Bush's reign...uh, term. Considering their utter lack of concern for law, truth, the Constitution, and America, it wouldn't be surprising if Bush and Co. decide to stay in power.
After all, who would/could stop them? Congress? HA! They've been helping all along, including the Dems (with a few exceptions). And Bush has a private army that answers to him and not to the Constitution--can anybody say Blackwater?--and he can legally deploy them in America.
Unless Congress acts NOW to impeach and imprison these traitors (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and even Powell), they'll be in power when the November election is being decided, and they will have the power (and clearly the will) to simply ignore the election and hold onto the White House. Again, who would stop them?
When an administration is this corrupt and this unConstitutional, how can we expect them to respect elections? I seriously doubt we'll see such a coup, but then again, in 2000 I would have doubted we'd see the last 8 years happen, so...who knows?
Any Canadians out there willing to adopt a 37-year-old graduate student? I might be looking for a new country soon...
Off the table...stop with that tripe. Impeachment must succeed or it only strengthens the one impeached. Sure the goods on W are overwalming but so is the mendacity of the GOP.
Impeach and you will not get the votes to convict. Bush will walk, vindicated and history will record him an innocent man.
Americans want to be entertained.
Stop bothering them with this silly stuff. Pass the Doritos®.
That is a non-denial denial if I ever heard one.
Nothing that he didn't actually do it or that somebody outside his "chain of command" told him to do it. I wonder if the WH is considered part of his chain of command?
That was a rhetorical question, btw...
CatAtomic @ 1:
Here, here!!!
Steve @ 6:
There is no need to dig anything up. She is complicit in American War Crimes. If prosecutions get started, her neck is on the block as well.
The Republicans may be Party before Country, but the Democrats are Self before Country.
Sad, really.
elvisgoat @ 4:
America is a few notches worse than whatever the Nazis were heading toward around 1933.
Three words: give it up. Can you not see by now, after all that's happened, after everything that has been documented and done, that nothing that emerges will bring this corrupt government down?
The church lady would say isn't the office of special plans just "special".
Richard @ 11:
History will never record him as an innocent man! Ever...
right on! @ 14:
Since when is treason on this level punishable by mere prison time?
If this stands, we are creating a precedent for future Presidents and their administrations to lie us into war. We need to impeach to set a clear signal to future wannabe dictators.
right on! @ 14:
OK...I protested big time during Viet Nam...all you young folks out there...time to get your feet wet and march on the Whitehouse. Thousands and thousands of us protested in D.C., on campus..and it was the young that finally got movement going in Congress. People are saying no marches because there is no draft...prove us wrong. It is about our country.
PS - Pure PWNAGE OMGWTF!1!!!!11w
Sorry, that just slipped out.
The sad reality is that none of this truly matters to the average U.S. citizen, who has been dumbed down with endless coverage of the Olsen twins, the Brangelina twins, Paris & Nicole, Britney & whomever, etc, etc.
It
just
doesn't
matter.
So what if Cheney ordered CIA or the Office of Special Plans to forge a few documents to link Al Qaeda to Iraq. Its not like he cheated on his wife. Until he does impeachment is off the table
IMPEACH!
Can we IMPEACH Nancy??? She is not upholding her oath!!!!
US Americans know the truth (except maybe the Moron Factor) and have known it for a long time. The leaks we are seeing now from the pretty well scuttled Ship of State are coming fast and furious. It's just too bad they are sinking the damn thing right in the entrance to the harbor of the American Justice System. It will be hard to maneuver around the hulk left by this administration. I don't envy Obama's job when he gets in office (if he gets in office) and if the Moron Factor (which has grown exponentially) elects McCatastrophy then they deserve what they get.
Never underestimate the Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large groups.
Sue @ 22:
They are prematurely worn out ahead from all those protests for the right to party and drink beer on campus.
Leave it alone. Democrats have a good chance of getting some serious power in 2009.
They will be able to freely wiretap the Republicans.
Obama will have a precedent for outlandish signing statements.
The world will be our oyster. BWHAHAHA
Impeachment is hardly enough.
Hey! Maybe we should form a government!
This guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Wow so interesting. Impeachment Cheney/Bush. You can bet your bottom dollar that Bush new. Put them under oath this time. They seem to hate putting their hands on a bible to tell the truth. The american people have a right to the truth. Maybe than the republicans will see that the democrats arent the bad guys all the times.
Welcome to the Soviet Republic of America.
Central Intelligence Agency’s former Deputy Chief of Clandestine Operations Robert Richer.
Oh we're supposed to trust the CIA now?
CatAtomic @ 1:
Unfortunately impeachment is highly unlikely. Now if Cheney would have dictated the letter to an intern who moonlighted as a high-level escort while having sex with her on the desk in the Oval Office, then Pelosi might mention impeachment.
Nancy is busy pimping her new book so there is no time for impeachment.
Here is a link for Cindy Sheehan, put your money where your mouth and let's get fat cat Nancy the hell out of there.
My mama always said that a liar is worse than a thief. And we have a nest of liars in the GOP and the executive office. She would have jerked them up and put them in detention forever... Can we finally be done with liars??? Please
Proofread, proofread, proofread!
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 37:
Again the eternal question comes to my mind....Why aren't Cheney and Bush being impeached at this moment???? I found out some Congressional Committee had hearings yesterday concerning impeachment. Surprise, surprise...not a whisper of it in any the media. This country is being held hostage by the Bush Administration...why is it being allowed to happen. I used to crank out letters left and right to my Senators and Congressman, whom are all democrats and one of those Senators is Barak Obama. The responses I get....'I am just as unhappy with the President...am opposed also to this and that...my committees are doing this and that...impeachment is simply not an option... it would not be good for the country at this time...blah,blah,blah. It's all smoke and mirrors babies... it's all
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT.
This will probably get my comment deleted but I have to say it...9/11 was an inside job and Our country is being groomed to become a Police State to be governed by a full-blown imperial Presidency.
There was no intel failure on 9/11 OR with WMD. The Neo Cons wanted a New Pearl Harbor. There were Zionist Israeli Spies, working, In the Pentagon, the Office of Special Plans. Throw in Ahmed Chalabi and Curveball, and voila. a Global War on Terror, uh in Iraq. If there really was a war on terror, there would be buses and malls blowing up 3 times a day here in the homeland. If you believe that the Homeland has been safe because Bush is fighting them in Baghdad instead of Baltimore I have a watch to sell you. If there really was a war on terror we would be fighting Al Qaeda in Pakistan. What happend to the Bush Doctrine?
USA! USA! USA! lol
Sue @ 22:
If you want anything done at all you gotta do it yourself. I was out there protesting Vietnam as well. Once again I find myself out there protesting this mess.
Ironically, the largest group of young people that I've seen at a Phoenix area demonstration is the "Young Republicans" who demonstrate IN FAVOR of the war and the administration.
Blah blah blah....
Who cares? John Edwards had an affair!! What's the terror alert color today?
It's time to grab our pitchforks and torches and march on DC!!
So what happened to the site yesterday? Is there anyway of knowing whether and where technical glitches were happening or whether it was a hacker?
Saying you're having trouble with the servers make it sound like the servants forgot to cut the crust off your watercress sandwiches, that are so small they wouldn't fill a titmouse (the sandwiches not the servants.)
Post American @ 40:
Your Right of course, but the dumbed-down part of the country (I wont point fingers, but you all know where and of whom I speak) still is hung up on the reality shows and not really interested in Reality.
right on! @ 14:
Yeah. Personal indiscretions are more important than treason.
36 Gretchen Says: CatAtomic @ 1:
Let’s hear it for “honor and dignity” in the White House.
IMPEACH these bastards, and imprison them.
Unfortunately impeachment is highly unlikely. Now if Cheney would have dictated the letter to an intern who moonlighted as a high-level escort while having sex with her on the desk in the Oval Office, then Pelosi might mention impeachment.
Your turning me on.
Waddya bet chainey likes to be spanked by twenty-somethings young enough to be his granddaughter?
So will we finally get an impeachment ? Fact after fact after fact is uncovered and the more that is uncovered the more we learn that the current administration is nothing more than a bunch of crooks and liars.
Fil Hussein Oaks @ 43:
You'll be leading the charge out front right?
I ordered 15 Decks of Bush Impeachment Cards a while back. I gave them to most of the American Ex-Pats in my little compound here in Chiang Mai.
Now the Germans and the Canadians want them also.
nothing is going to happen to these bastards, unless the msm gets on board, which will never happen. the msm is much better off financially with neocons running the country. something about wars and tax cuts for the wealthy really get them off.
Nicole Belle, john Amato, the whole C&L team...
you guys rock
seriously, i could rage on about this story (and i will eventually), but i must give kudos to you guys--for many, many things, but specifically for covering this CRUCIAL story while the msm has reacted with complicit silence (again)
signed, C&L junkie
Arthur: What is the greatest quality of a knight?
Merlin: Well they blend, like the metals of a sword.
Arthur: No poetry, just a straight answer.
Merlin: Truth, it must be truth. Whenever one lies a part of the world dies.
(Roughly paraphrased from the movie Excalibur.)
Paul B. @ 10:
Well, I've been postulating about this for quite a while. Cheney/Bush and Congress have put in place myriad laws, directives, acts, what-have-you that provide them with a legal basis to declare a national emergency (I'm sure they could easily arrange one) and then declare themselves leaders forever - or at least for the foreseeable future.
Some type of September or "October" surprise - wouldn't surprise me.......
Murray Rizberg @ 24:
You don't see the rising popularity of political blogs such as The DailyKos, Huffington Post, and Crooks and Liars??
Samson- @ 52:
Seconded.
He's provoked wars on three fronts - Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Georgia ..
Our economy is in the toilet & looks like it could go down the drain ..
His administration is leaking lies, high crimes, corruption, deception ..
AND GEORGE BUSH IS WAVING A FLAG AT THE OLYMPICS
JSM @ 31:
Treason has some consequences.
Fil Hussein Oaks @ 43:
It’s time to grab our pitchforks and torches and march on DC!!
"Fire, not goood!"
who cares about Bush/Cheney treason when we can obsess about Edward's Love Child?
Orangutan. @ 56:
THIRDED! It will be a pleasure to meet you in a FEMA Camp soon....
I suppose his denial is technically correct. he did not get the orders from someone in his chain of command, since the VP is not supposed to be in his chain of command. He's playing mighty coy here.
Suskind is attacking like the spineless dems should.
Woodward has a book coming out too.
The pieces are adding up and the spineless dems will have no option but to hold them accountable.
Mulitple choice response might look like this---
If Vice-President Cheney did it we then should conclude--
A. The Vice-President did it so it is legal
B. So?
C. Vice-President wanted his war with Iraq and who do Americans think they are to question Richard B. Cheney?
D. Truth,fact and knowable intel did not/do not matter to Vice-President Cheney because he is Vice-President of United States --and you/we are not--so Dick is telling us to "go ***k ourselves--the power is mine"
E. Doug Feith should be arrested and prosecuted for several failures/crimes in/over conduct of his DOD office for Cheney
F. All of the above
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I can't scream loud enough.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
You are such a fucking idiot.
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
Damn straight! Along with Bugs22!
Dr. Britney Hussein Matt @ 66:
Prove me wrong instead of running your mouth off.
CatAtomic @ 1:
You do realize that if impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate, these guys would only be removed from office, right?
To imprison them there would have to be a regular trial in front of a Federal judge and a jury of regular old citizens, argued by a prosecutor from a US Attorney's office and defense counsel.
I have no faith in the House/Senate proceedings, but only because there's no way that you can get 67 votes to convict in the Senate. The vast majority of GOP senators will disregard the evidence and vote along partisan lines.
Now if there's a Democratic President inaugarated in January, and an Attorney General in place who doesn't have a conflict of interest, there should be procedings in a Federal courthouse within the next year.
Thank God impeachment is off the table!
Richer has a response to Suskind's release of partial transcript at suskindresponse.googlepages.com
Two British former intelligence guys also responded to the book's allegations
shootthatarrow @ 64:
How many smoking guns do we need before the pussy Democrats IMPEACH these criminals. Without REAL investigations and prosecutions for 911, Iraq/Afghan wars, wiretapping, torture and many more crimes And without abolishing the federal reserve, the CIA and the income tax, THIS COUNTRY IS DOOMED.
Glad to see you guys talking about at least one of the real issues facing this country, instead of prattling on about Obama and McCain. Both of those guys are 'new world order' puppets and will continue right were Bush leaves off. WAKE UP!
L.A. Confidential @ 68:
If your the one who raises the point, the burden of proof is on you, LAC.
Andy K Jong Il @ 74:
Fixed.
I just finished reading the front section of the Dallas Morning Nudes whilst I waited for my last comment to appear (I had a pause whilst waiting for the t in comment to show up).
You know what their lead editorial was? It wasn't the taped CIA confession that the 9-11 Iraq memo came from the White House; it was John Edwards admits adultery.
The Corporate media shows how complicit and evil they really are, when they are witnesses to high CRIMES of the Bush Regime and really how shameless they really are with the HOURS spent on John edwards during the day , ie larry king an HOUR , and that wasn't enough former CIA student and over rated Anderson Cooper had an HOUR and do you think that was enough , NOOOO.
But when hundreds of thousands of civilians are murdered in Iraq , and over 6000 U.S. military are killed for a fabricated war , yes they'll speculate about everything under the sun , yet won't try to come up with an honest number of troops deaths , because when any military person is moved off the " field of combat " is NOT COUNTED as a death or KIA . So if he dies in a helicopter or field hospital or even driven away , let alone after being flown to Germany for treatment or even a U.S. hospital , he or she is NOT COUNTED as casualty from the Iraq War or occupation). So common sense dictates there has been (few have the accurate estimation ) over a well over a thousand deaths , bringing the actual number not above 4000, but at LEAST 5 - 6 thousand troop deaths resulting from the illegal and evil actions of the BUSH REGIME .
If there is any justice the entire bush regime should be put on trial, including powell and all of the neocons , who orchestrated this massacre in Iraq .
Doubtfully this will appear in the MSM with John Edward's wandering weewee now dominating the news cycyle with dire predictions of it's effect on the Democratic Party ... sometimes I have to laugh ...
ysbaddaden @ 59:
I'm so glad to see this! I have been saying for at least 2 years that I continue to be amazed that the White House is not surrounded by a vast sea of people carrying pitchforks and torches. I'm glad to know there is at least one kindred spirit.
Marvin El Canucki @ 78:
Has Rielle Hunter got her book deal yet?
John Edward @ 79:
clamorem et uthesium!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7soN6HNU3Y
Andy K Jong Il @ 69:
After a lot of reflection on the "to impeach or not to impeach" issue .. I agree.
If Bush-Cheney-etc were impeached (that means "indicted" .. the House finds there is sufficient evidence to bring charges) the ReTHUGs in the Senate would surely block conviction.
End of story.
And this then raises the issue of double jeopardy: could Bush-Cheney-etc be charged, after leaving office, with the same crimes again? I think not.
So I agree. The only solution is to keep the investigations going, bring all the material to light, use it to score political points, run the ReTHUGs out of town, and then pressure the Democratic Congress and President to do the right thing in 2009.
L.A. Confidential @ 35:
The CIA was objective. It was the OSP and the WH that defrauded us.
Mick Piobr @ 61:
Fourthed
ysbaddaden @ 76:
Of course it was. The National Enquirer doesn't turn a profit because of their exposes on shady defense contracts. They sell papers when Brad leaves Jennifer for Angelina.
SEX SELLS. It's much more easy for the plebes to get their heads around. Catherine the Great didn't actually commit acts of bestiality, but it was easier to smear her that way instead of trying to explain the policy arguments inside of her government. You've got to be base to reach the base.
pelosi took impeachment off the table, do not we all feel safer now??? vile republicans and witless democrats ---- she and obama I fear will continue the tradition.....we are fucked again................"for the sake of the nation...we must put this behind us and move on....that was the FISA vote after all".................year after year of horse-piss...when will enough people say NO MORE?????
Rick @ 48:
This bunch is making the Nixon White House look like a boy scout jamboree.
These bastards need to be impeached, if for no other reason that the chimp cannot preemptively pardon anyone being impeached.
MountainMan23 @ 84:
We've had this discussion at the sight before, and iirc, the answer is yes, they can be tried separately outside of the Senate without the invocation of double jeopardy...Though if they escape conviction in the Senate it might foul the jury- and therefore prosecution's case- in a criminal trial.
Actually come to think of it there was no mention of the story anywhere in the Nudes. But beside the editorial, they also had an article regarding Edwards roving eye.
Hey Eddie, slap that sucker back into your socket; it's gross.
BobbyG @ 80:
Not sure! But I'm looking forward to seeing the Edwards on Dr Phil.
it seems that impeachment is off the table because corporate power is at the table while Nancy Pelosi is under the table, servicing it
it seems that impeachment is off the table because corporate power is at the table while Nancy Pelosi is under the table, servicing it
Duros Hussein 62 @ 88:
At least Dickie was drunk ... these assclowns have no excuse.
Intrepid @ 94:
LOL --that'd make a great political cartoon!
douglas in oklahoma @ 87:
When they become uncomfortable enough. When they are personally inconvenienced/injured/hungry/homeless.
Oh please, this can't be as important as Edwards' affair, can it? My TV doesn't think so...
Andy K Jong Il @ 87:
Everyone can relate to SEX because most people possess genitalia.
Not everyone runs an oil business then gives it no-bid gov't contracts.
Intrepid @ 94:
Please, in your own words, describe the whole procees from introduction of articles of impeachment through resolution of the matter and the consequences of a finding of guilt. Please.
Marvin El Canucki @ 100:
Exactly.
fastfeat @ 99:
I just Googled 'Rielle Hunter' ... I can't find any nude pictures of her.
Shouldn't this be considered a criminal act, or certainly grounds for impeaching someone??????
Andy K Jong Il @ 75:
Andy K Jong Il @ 74:
It's already proven. This country is going down the path of fascism. Politicians are fabricating enemies and putting people in secret prisons. Innocent people are being murdered. Countries are being attacked for simple greed. False charges were even made against one democratic politician which resulted in his imprisonment (thankfully, only temporary). You obviously don't know much about history. Try pulling yourself away from your reality TV shows.
The crimes you're seeing committed by the GOP are exactly the same kind of crimes committed by all other fascist dictators.
Here's an interesting fact: G. W. Grandfather, Prescott Bush WAS a card carrying Nazi. He even committed treason and supported Nazi Germany at the height of the war. He actively recruited scientists and engineers for the SS. He even put his love the Nazi Germany in writing (you can still read those documents today. Look up the book; 'The Splendid Blond Beast'). Those documents were seized by the FBI and published. Do you KNOW what they did to people who committed treason back then? His contacts in high places were the only thing that kept him alive and out of prison.
Here's yet another interesting fact; Prescott Bush was took part in a plan to control national media and overthrow the United States Government in order to establish a 4th Reich. He didn't succeed back then... but it looks like his family succeeded this time.
Prescott also advocated (In writing. Thank god for the old FBI) the extermination of 70 percent of the world population. He wanted to commit genocide of a massive scale.
The Bush family have been war profiteers for generations. In fact, I'm not sure they ever even stopped being Nazis.
What's happening to day is a plan that's been in motion for over 60 years. In terms of global history, that's not long at all.
Learn your history, and you'll stop pretending that we're not going down the same road that Germany took in the 1930's.
Paul B. @ 10:
Bush could use Blackwater only if our Armed Forces allowed him to do so. Our military swears to the Constitution, not George Bush or any man/woman. Should the Armed Forces and Blackwater come into conflict, Blackwater would be crushed like a bug and George would be naked.
Spicegal @ 104:
Ding!Ding! Yes, that is the correct answer! Along with all of the other impeachable offences...
as usual...nothing will happen...
douglas in oklahoma @ 88:
Take impeachment off the table and you take the Constitution off the table as well.
Can't have one without the other, NANCY!
Freakaloin @ 108:
I think that a stern letter is being composed - even as we speak. And it will be noon in an hour and I can start drinking!
Orangutan. @ 56:
I do, but the rise in popularity is most likely not attributable to the average U.S. citizen. I consider the "average U.S. citizen" to be more like any of the three people with whom I shared a waiting room at an automotive repair shop last week. I entered the conversation late and discovered the following: one of them supports Barack Obama and is believes "he is backed by God," another one doesn't like either candidate while professing not to like Bush and the third is convinced "by too many reliable sources" that Barack Obama "was sworn in on the Koran" and has an anti-American agenda. Trust me when I say none of those people is a regular visitor to DailyKos, Huffington Post or Crooks and Liars. I hope I'm wrong, but I have not seen any evidence to convince me that I am.
Intrepid @ 94:
Intrepid @ 95:
You got that right.
So good it's worth repeating.
Numinous@105
I could take a lot of your argument and use that as proof that the US is on the path to feudalism. They jailed a member of the opposition party? Communists do that, too. The Bourbon kings of France did that, and I wouldn't use that as proof that they were fascists.
And while I know a whole hell of a lot about Prescott Bush, and how he and his pals buddied up with the Nazis, I wasn't aware that he was a member of the Nazi Party. Have you got a link to the Nazi Party (American, British, German, Italian, Hungarian, Romanian or any other nation that had or has one of those) membership rolls to prove that?
Please, somebody just tackle the chimp and give him a blowie so we can end this disaster.
Too late to impeach, but TAR, FEATHER and send to the HAGUE. All of them
galmud @ 25:
And when he does, impeachment is still off the table.
*sigh*
It is a good thing that this is coming out to overshadow the John Edwards piece of tail...sorry...I guess I had a brain fart.
hey now: Nixon said if the President does it, it's not a crime.
so the great American, Richard Milhous Nixon, tried his best
to set a precedent for Executive Branch criminality but nobody
was buying it..
but nowadays nobody seems to care about much of anything.
nine one one controlled demolition people you know it's freakin' true.
You people screaming for impeachment are going to be very disapointed. Its not going to happen. However, if we send lots of e-mails, throw tantrums, make phone calls, stomp our feet, write letters to the editor, sceam and yell, and organize into large vocal groups we might be able to get some of these people prosecuted when they leave office. But please, stop talking about impeachment because your all making yourselves look pretty stupid!
And yet the Dem party will show no outrage over this. They are too busy getting outraged over John Edwards being human and making a mistake. Too busy making sure he won't be allowed to attend the Democratic convention unless he grovels and makes an even bigger media circus over the whole thing. At the same time they have AT&T, the company that screwed US and the constitution, plastered all over the DNC convention materials.
Anyone want to bet there will be no public peep from the Dem leadership over this? Anyone want to bet whether the sound of crickets will drown out anything the Dem party says?
chris @ 119:
Sorry. I've been conditioned to believe in the rule of law.
Mick Piobr @ 121:
The rule of law in this case takes over a year, is W going to be in office that long? Thats why I said "stupid".
Like many of the commenters above, I, too, want to know just what is it going to take to get impeachment on the table. The indefatigable Mike Myers has been viral about this for years and but no matter how deep in crimes this administration stands, the lefty blogovoid never seems to make a concerted, daily, nonstop pounding of the Pelosicrats for impeachment. Sure, when a new crime pops up there is the usual outrage for a day then it is on to whatever bad thing was said by a repubs about a dem or who is up or down in the polls. If C&L (all the contributors, not just Nicole), atrios (and notatrios), digby, Greenwald, kos(ugh), Openleft, skepticalbrotha, and all that are on their blog rolls, would have been unrelenting in posting daily that only impeachment would expose the truth about lies that were used to justify the invasion of Iraq (the major indictment of Kucinich‘s impeachment bill), maybe we would have had some serious hearings by now. Impeachment should have been and still should be front and center on all lefty blogs. I am not amazed but am disappointed about how many call themselves leftist but have avoided really confronting the Pelosicrats over impeachment. Everything that is in Susskind’s book could have been in front of a Congressional committee immediately after the ‘06 election. If the primaries had been run with all the Iraq deceptions out, do you think the three main candidates could have been so wishy-washy about withdrawal as well as impeachment? I know all the reasons why the Pelosi apologists had for not thinking impeachment was worth the effort (God knows I heard them all, ad nauseam form Paul in LA) and I am sure many would say it is too late now. I do not believe that is so. Impeachment is still possible and more than ever necessary. If the lefty blogovoid will, in concert, make a pull-out-the-stops effort to marshal all their readers to inundate their congress people daily with calls, letter, emails and stop-bys insisting on impeachment, it can still happen. These congress people are at home now, doing a little campaigning and publc appearances. Don’t let one appearance go by without a sizable impeachment contingent in the audience and make it clear what all of you want. Impeachment Now! And lefty bloggers, coordinate, facilitate and populate those gathering and don’t let a day go by without calling for Impeachment!
Carol @ 115:
There is no "lateness" clause in the Constitution.
It doesn't say:
Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment (unless it's too late, then they shall not have the power of impeachment).
The report from The American Conservative is probably Carl Rove's Plan B.
It admits Vice President's office ordered the Forgery, but since this version says he gave that order to the pentagon, not the CIA, it would be perfectly legal. Its only illegal if he gave the order to the CIA
82 BobbyG Says: John Edward @ 79:
ysbaddaden @ 59:
Fil Hussein Oaks @ 43:
It’s time to grab our pitchforks and torches and march on DC!!
“Fire, not goood!”
I’m so glad to see this! I have been saying for at least 2 years that I continue to be amazed that the White House is not surrounded by a vast sea of people carrying pitchforks and torches. I’m glad to know there is at least one kindred spirit.
clamorem et uthesium!
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Geez Louisesses...
I was just quoting the monster in The Bride of Frankenstein.
What with the bride of, the son of, the second cousin twice-removed of...
I'd hate to be the caterer at their family reunion.
And 87 Andy K Jong Il, I know that sex sells, and if it bleeds it leads, but there's is also a third quality to the American reader: iconoclasty.
We want to build up people and then take delight in tearing them back down.
But there's seems to be a lingering Rally Around the Flag Effect, so our Iconoclastic tendencies are confined to skanks like Paris, Britanny and Lindsey (not the Graham cracker.)
"Former President of the United States Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999."
TWO MONTHS!
Bush has five months to go. Plenty of time.
John in California,
I agree. We're all here. Now, what do we do?
Posters, please stop saying "Impeach them!" and actually do something about it. Write your congressman, organize a nation wide all-day (or all-week) walkout. But please, please, please for fuck's sake, STOP typing "Impeach them" and thinkingyou'e done yur part.
Your outraged cries on blogs are doing dick!
If only Nasty Pelousy had some sort of proof of a crime....... she could possibly consider impeachment!
WTF!
It's time to toss congress and the white house. Lets elect people who actually represent us!
Mick Piobr @ 121:
Isn't that just quaint.
Andy K Jong Il @ 70:
So, that is why impeachment, while an exciting term to brandish, won't bring the criminals to justice! It would be a time wasting distraction yielding no fruit. Of course we want to see Bush and Co. imprisoned. But we need to focus on the court proceedings. Tnx for this thought-cluster, Andy K.
While all the Nancy Pelosi haters whine, we can't even get the msm to cover this story. They are busy with an adultery story. Hell with the constitution and national treasury and the deaths of hundreds of thousands. We have to cover some National Enquirer story.
This country is an absolute joke now, most of the people in my town have fox news directly beamed into their brains, If fox said to have sex with your mother they would do it, no hessitation.
I would love to get a pitch fork and a few branches with keroseen soaked rags tied around them on fire, but I am being so closely watched that if I were to get close to a pitch fork I would be arrested i am sure.
Seriously they are swarming me, every where i go. Do they realy think little old me witha bad back is gonna try to commit some form of terrorism? sheww
I like to hike in the mountains but even there now I have police DNC checking my info while I am there, this is great. Law breakers making illegal laws and violating me and millions of others, what fucking patriots, Medal of freedom any 1.
This guy that just admitted to commiting treason against our country on orders from the white house, was he one of the replacements, you know after they had to fire all those people that wouldn't commit treason and hire on new 1's. Was he a new hire by the white house also? Like Scotty? Hell they can't even hire the right kinda people, How in the hell have they kept this going for so long? UnREAL and I don't mean the Tournament.
BTW this is a maverick.......
http://www.fordmaverick.com/
Che's Lounge @ 128:
I repeat,
Don’t let one appearance go by without a sizable impeachment contingent in the audience and make it clear what all of you want. Impeachment Now! And lefty bloggers, coordinate, facilitate and populate those gathering and don’t let a day go by without calling for Impeachment!
And, every day on every blog you read, ask that blogger to join in daily reminders to their readers to contact their reps and demand they start real impeachment hearings. Now! This can be done. The lies that were used to propagandize the country into invading Iraq are both obvious, documented and grievous. In the sixties we were in the streets over a lot less. I know many don’t know or have conveniently forgotten that time but as confused, contradictory and misinterpreted by history as that time was, we at least knew then that criminals were not allowed to run the country. With raygun the amnesia started to set in and if we don’t wake up soon their will be little point. Politicians will assume, rightly, that as long as they keep their peters in their pants and their bribes out of the refrigerator, they are pretty much home free. Impeachment will be a wake-up call for all of them as well as the country. Duty calls, I hope we are not to lazy, cynical or afraid to answer.
You can find your congress person’s appearance schedule through their website or local office. Wear t-shirts, carry signs and ask the Question, “When are you, congress person, stand up for the rule of law? When is principle going to trump expediency? When are you going to join Kucinich and Wexler in calling for impeachment hearings?”
Oh, and those of you who think that somehow these people are going to be put in the dock after they are out of office are either Pelosicrat trolls or criminally naive.
TakeOurCountryBack @ 130:
No kidding. Nancy Pelosi is like Inspector Clouseau, except without the good luck.
john in california @ 136:
I would like to know why you think so. Integrated thought cluster, please.
The House and Senate: Keeping the Con in Congress
How can the supposedly smart leaders of this country be so damn dumb, administration after administration. Nixon got caught, not for the crime, but for the coverup. Cheney thinks he has inoculated the prez from the "underhanded and dirty tricks dept" but has he. The whole problem was that "the dick" had to pass his wants and needs down the chain to those who would do the work-BTW, I believe that ir was Feith & his coo coo friends in DoD who did the dirty, after all DoD was run by his great bud, Rumy. The main problem is that the memo is a fake on its face. Now I was never one of the high and mighty, I was just a peon for 28 years, toiling away in the dim basement of the fedgov. But, even I was aware that one never mixes messages in a memo, for one thing, what do you file it under.-of course you can make copies, but that is a waste of time, so 1 memo, 1 subject. Something that a bureaucratic infighter like "the dick" should know. But he screwed up and tried to do to much in one forgery. It happens, he got careless-not for the first or last time. Anyway, the biggest problem is just how many people can keep a secret. 3 is a very stable number, more than that somebody always leaks. The best way of course is to tell nobody, but then nothing gets done. Kooks to me like this is something that someone in the VP's office wrote up, then gave orders to have it rewritten, or just signed(if not rewritten, then maybe the paper can be traced, see what country it came from) SCIENCE! what the repigs don't believe in, they just call it magic, and have all the books burned. Wouldn't it be hilarious if it was found that the paper came from the US, and that it was govt paper-like a watermark maybe(see feith is dumb enough to overlook little details like that)-like overdoing it by adding the bit about the yellocake-they were of course totally ignorant of the fact that Iraq already had tons of the stuff so there was no reason on earth-just in bushcoland-why that little item would be included-which the IAEA knew about and had sealed-see that is what separates the amateur from the professional, and all these repig operatives who were playing at 007 were amateurs
dada @ 8:
Sorry, all the Congresscritters are out for five weeks vacationing together, partisan party divides forgotten, supping cold ones on foreign beaches.
Someone far brighter than me once said, in order to know where your going, you have to know where you've been. Back in 1940, I think the movie that Charlie Chaplin stared in was called the Great Dictator. After watching this segment, you might come away from it thinking that way back then he was warning us of things to come.
Check it out. It's an eye opener and his dialog is just a precient today as it was back then.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ith6WydfipE&feature=related
bring bush/cheney down......the public needs the truth whether they want it or not....they shuffed this war/occupation down our throats. the history
of this is very important that it be as accurate as possible.
there are many bush(R) supporters don't want to admit to this...i remember like it was yesterday being told liberals don't understand....
terrorists and mushroom clouds....they have the blood on their hands.
Murray Rizberg @ 24:
Yep. Tis true.
The opposite of Pro is Con. The opposite of Progress is Congress. Will there ever be enough evidence as far as these pinheads in DC are concerned to hold any of these criminals feet to the fire. Or was the whole reason for Amdocs and Comverse Infosys, the Israeli telecommunication companies, grant of immunity another cover-up for the blackmailing of DC by the Israeli Mossad and the PNAC crowd. Stay tuned for I believe the Neo-Cons may have another 9/11 up their sleeve in order to suspend elections to hold on to this corrupt justice department.
The forged letter to Saddam came from Cheney's office? Cheney's from Montana, isn't he? The truth is dribbling out, but we still haven't heard it all.
Little by little everything that we have been asserting for years is proving to be true, and our tin-foil hats have been revealed as crowns of wisdom and reasoned thought. The willfully ignorant and self-centered lazy minions, who have supported bushes criminal enterprise and his superficial world view, are being shown for what they are. #1 stupid, #2 crooks, #3 bought and paid for, #4 blackmail victims. You can go down a list and most of them fall into one or more slots. It is almost impossible to cover up every clue or piece of evidence of a crime, their is always something over-looked or forgotten or hitch in a crime committed that will show a path back to the criminal. I have ordered a gross of soap on a rope, to help keep gw and his band of "barely men" safe while in prison. Lights out boys.-CEO
This was breaking news 5 years ago.
The Downing Street Memo was the smoking gun.
Each time another shoe in these stories drops. For every out rage we have endured...Every time we have yet another solid piece of evidence that our constitution is shredded and we have war criminals in charge of this country all I see is cheney's snarling face and .....two letters.
so?
john in california @ 123:
the answer to your question is never.
The speaker and the senate leader are both accessories after the fact of every war crime this administration has committed. pelosi guaranteed that. Also various other 'gang ofs' in both houses as well...I'm sure the day after election day 06 a file was sent to her and reid's office with what ever the vice president has on them, their lips are sealed.
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