Shorter Lou Dobbs
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 4:00pm
The federal government can invade every aspect of my life as long as they keep me safe from those drug-running Mexicans.
WaPo reported Wednesday that the Department of Homeland Security is building a database that tracks every every American citizen's border crossings and catalogs the data for as long as 15 years, with little to no privacy measures in place to prevent abuse.
The federal government has been using its system of border checkpoints to greatly expand a database on travelers entering the country by collecting information on all U.S. citizens crossing by land, compiling data that will be stored for 15 years and may be used in criminal and intelligence investigations.
When Wolf Blitzer asks CNN's Resident Xenophobe, Lou Dobbs, for his opinion, the pseudo-intellectual said this story is troublesome not because of the invasion of privacy issues it raises, but rater because those damn illegals are still sneaking into the country with their horrific (i.e. non-existent) diseases and contraband.
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"The State Department has been tracking what's happening with our passports for years and years and years. There seems to be some dust-up here. The real story to me is that all of this concern about tracking citizens going about their lawful activities entering and exiting this country, while they have done nothing at the DHS to shut down the flow of illegals aliens across our borders, potential terrorists, and still Mexico, for example, is the primary source for methamphetamines, heroin, cocaine and marijuana into this country... and it's not being stopped!!!"
Is there no issue out there that this hack won't exploit in order to bash illegal immigrants?
The State Department certainly hasn't been tracking border crossings "for years and years and years," and keeping that information in a central computer for 15 years with no oversight provisions.
The fact that we're becoming a bona fide surveillance state doesn't bother Lou Dobbs. All he cares about is twisting a story in order to rail against his favorite target. He's always sure to slip in his talking points, too, even if they're bogus.
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He shouldn't be allowed to talk anymore at least not on camera and never in front of an audience. Unless he gets some help with his issues.
How do you spell Xenophobia?
Can someone book Lou Dobbs on Dr. Phils show for bigotry and xenophobia?
The man knows his audience, that's all.
True story: my dad used to watch him all the time, thought he was pretty smart. But as Lou has gotten more and more xenophobic, my dad has stopped watching. "He's nothing but a big jerk bigot," he says.
And so the only people that still watch him are the big jerk bigots.
".. Mexico, for example, is the primary source for methamphetamines, heroin, cocaine and marijuana into this country… and it’s not being stopped!!!”
sheesh ..
what does he think the "War On Drugs" is all about ..
stopping the importation of illegal drugs?
Where did he get that idea?
Oh Lou, Let me get this straight. Big Brother is illegally spying on Americans. And you are going to use this to bash immigrants? Where's the outrage about the Bush Administration's abuse of power? By the way, Lou's daughters are equestrians. I wonder if they employ immigrants at the stables where they ride?
dumb me. i thought xenophobia was the fear of Lucy lawless
coming into this country without papers is a civil violation, Lou. As our own AG states, "not every violation of the law is a crime".
Lou is fond of targeting weaker folks for the failure of our government to regulate the transnational corporations who are, by interfering in the economies of central and south american nations, directly causing the influx of the VAST MAJORITY of these undocumented immigrants.
MountainMan23 @ 5:
Heh, interesting how these capitalist motherfuckers don't like supply and demand once it starts damaging their own children:
If there was no demand for drugs by the fucked up in the head offspring of the average American suburbanite family, there would be no supply of drugs.
The drug market is one of the finest examples of capitalism, these stuffed white geezers throw a fit because they can't control that market. Legal drugs on the other hand...
I didn't realize meth was being brought from Mexico. Isn't it usually cooked in methlabs that are cropping up in the South?
This is of course to be expected from someone who is probably too fearful and/or ignorant to ever leave the US himself. How many red-staters have actually been outside the US? (let alone their own state)
I really love this website and visit it often. But I can't get on board with you guys when it comes to Lou Dobbs. Try listening to him a little closer. He's one of the only sane people on TV.
"The drug market is one of the finest examples of capitalism, these stuffed white geezers throw a fit because they can’t control that market. Legal drugs on the other hand…" -Tyler Durden
Ah, the good ol' Limbaugh double-standard. It is okay to be addicted to pain killers but becoming addicted to anything else is wrong.
"Mexico, for example, is the primary source for methamphetamines, heroin, cocaine and marijuana into this country…" -Lou Dobbs
I still do not believe the statistic that the majority of marijuana in the US is imported from elsewhere, especially Mexico. Cocaine, Heroin, and meth are much smaller and more valuable per weight, thus it makes sense to go to the effort to smuggle it. Marijuana isn't all that valuable per its weight and is rather bulky. I still believe that, at least on the West Coast, most of our marijuana comes from Humboldt and people with medical marijuana growing licenses in Oregon and California.
Geraldo @ 4:
Geraldo, you speak the truth. I'm glad to hear about your dad. Your dad is the one who's pretty smart.
Don't forget this gem:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/18/daily-show-obama-mccain-and-the...
Put on your safety goggles! He's gonna blow!
Russell @ 13:
Most of the meth is locally "grown"
Some politicians in America are quite funny: They will have no problem with the government fully interfering with what I do with my body on my own damn time. However, asking them if having the government making sure my body is healthy... then they throw a hiss fit saying how that would be too much of a "government interference."
The federal government can invade every aspect of my life as long as they keep me safe from those drug-running Mexicans.
I have no problem with this rule so long as it is applied only to Loud Obbs.
[deleted--Jake is a bigot and wants to be banned--site monitor] i cant get a job in my own neighborhood because of employers giving the jobs to mexicans that work for nothing, and cant apply for workmans comp, or health benefits or anything that requires a DL and SN for that matter. these employers should be imprisoned for 1 year for every illegal alien they employ and have employed in the last 20 years! I hate illegal immigrants, i agree with Lou, and personally think we should lock down the country and concentrate on reestablishing our own manufacturing infrastructure. F**K the mexicans, send em all home and charge em for the bus ticket!!!!
[Jake, it's hard to give racists like you jobs. Racists can create a hostile work environment for which employers can be fined, sanctioned and sued. They are only protecting themselves from a Jake-caused business catastrophe-Another Sitemonitor]
Patty D. @ 10:
Don't forget the midwest.
"The federal government can invade every aspect of my life as long as they keep me safe from those drug-running Mexicans."
Whom ever wrote this Bull Shit doesn't watch or listen to Lou Dobbs!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9307871
"Most of the meth is locally “grown” " -Tyler Durden
Agreed, I was just making the point that it is small enough to be worth smuggling, but most of it is cooked up in local labs.
maybe im missing something but the reason people are hard on lou dobbs is because he doesnt like illegal immigrants?
somebody please explain
and still Mexico, for example, is the primary source for methamphetamines, heroin, cocaine and marijuana into this country… and it’s not being stopped!!!”
Well Lou, they have to get them over to folks like you SOMEHOW!
What would America be without coke!?
No Coca-Cola!? No George Bush!?
Drugs are patriotism. I salute.
And it looks like you need a lil toke of some Pineapple Express your damn self with all that yellin.
its the fact that he's ok with stripping your rights, oh and he hates mexicans
Lou has been railing against Illegal immigration for years and open borders for drug dealers.
Many Illegals enter the country on tourist or H-1B or other work visas and over stay Yet instead of tracking foreigners entering and possibly not leaving Our Idiots in Washington want to track Citizens.
whatever. i watched that video and i agree w/his tangent. i dont agree w/the crazy amount of tracking of me going on but i understand where he's coming from. i always have a hell of a time getting on planes. once a year to chicago my wife and i have been stopped every time. its either her or me. ive had to wiggle my freaking toes for some schmuck like i was entering jail. but then yes the borders are wide open. and yes nobody does anything about it but those minutemen guys. and yes if i was a terrorist, gee, how would i enter the country but by mexico or from what i hear farther down central america is even easier to get into and then come through mexico to the us (i live in miami. i hear lots of entering the country issues). these people are illegal immigrants he's talking about. that means against the law here. what is the problem? i agree with him. you all are wrong, i think.
(once a year since 9-11. 7 times)
Yak yak yak Lou Dobbs is a bigot pile on pile on pile on illegals aren't a problem blah blah blah and so on. Twice a day even a broken clock is right, remember that.
Geraldo @ 4:
Have you ever noticed that the comments section on Lou Dobbs only allows sycophantic remarks? I have never seen him post a negative one although sometimes I think he is surprised by his polls. O'Reilly puts both kinds of comments up and then savages the negative ones when the attacker cannot respond, but even then O'Reilly is admitting that not everyone loves him. Not so Dobbs.
Lou doesn't hate Hispanics unless they come here illegally. His wife is Hispanic. He says there are 2,000,000 people legally admitted to the U.S. every year. Why should there be so many Illegals?
I have a solution to the immigration problem..give texas back to mexico
Poor Canucks. No mention by Lou of our fine BC bud exports.
BTW can some explain to me why you guys just don't make a law that says its illegal to hire a person who does not have the proper immigration paperwork so, for example, the lady who is hiring an illegal immigrant to clean her house is the one that gets arrested. Wouldn't that go towards solving Lou's problems.
Also whats wrong with Mexicans? Like we don't have a lot of people from there in the Arctic but they seem nice. I can't figure that one out either.
We are all terrorists, in the eyes of our "government", that is, the ruling elite.
9-11 was so very convenient for them.
Arctic Dude @ 33:
Wow, Dude, maybe you better lay off that fine "BC Bud" for awhile. Have you ever heard the term "cash under the table"?
Arctic Dude @ 33:
We do have laws. No one bothers paying attention to them. It is an underground income thing-or they get fake papers. I takes our crack gov't agencies about 2 years to find out that one's employees are not here legally. Then they only send a notice, not ICE-at least not to small landscape companies...
BTW. Seattle stuff totally rules. I've been waking up stoned the next day... :)
Patty D. @ 10:
Those meth labs are everywhere - not just in the South. Any place you have people wanting to make meth, you will find a meth lab.
Dobbs's wife is Mexican-American. I don't think he's a "xenophobe", and I think he raises a valid point. There are two sides to the immigration issue for liberals, you know...it is a fact that wages in the construction industry have come way, way down since relatively unskilled workers from Mexico are doing much of the work.
Lou Dobbs is an idiot. That said, the last time I walked across the border at Laredo, the ICE agent asked me, after handing him a US Passport, and I quote: "What is your business in the US?" I honestly didn't know what to say, but "f%&k you" was the first thing that came to mind. I settled for "I LIVE here?!?"
I thought crystal meth was made in trailer parks with legal over the counter drugs? I never liked the mexican weed it sux, I like the canadian buds much more. Actually the locally grown weed is the best. It is great when it's still wet.............just picked, yummie
drug War = Bullshit
The presciption drugs are way more dangerous and addictive than most of the illegal drugs. I guess it's cool to take a manufactured drug from a giant corporation that blows your mind and destroys your body, rather than a mom and pop operation that gives you a mild buzz for only an hour, increases blood circulation, and stabalizes chemical imbalances(canabis). hum.
Donaldd @ 26:
Ok, first of all, duh, the US is keeping track of citizens coming and going. Of course they are. In a lot of countries they have a big book that they write your name in. The question about how securely they keep the list is an issue for the legislature. Have they said anything about it? (Or passed any laws?)
Of course, they keep track of everybody that comes in and leaves legally. They don't do it well, but not every country has the same standards with passports and junk. If there were accountability in the INS or Border Patrol, one would easily be able to determine who has overstayed their student visa or whatever. We've got 19th century technology in action when we talk about border security. Why? Because moneyed interests benefit from illegal immigration.
I get a letter in the mail right on time if I am late paying a parking ticket (or even if I'm on time.) I even got a notice for putting too much garbage at the curb once. Is it too much to ask for the same level of attention from the INS?
That will go a long way in the "War on Terror" too.
But it won't make Dobbs happy. I don't care what the dude's wife looks like, he's delusional if he thinks we can send home all the illegal aliens who are currently here.
Anonymous Hussein @ 38:
Thanks for your concern, troll, now go away.
HighCrimes @ 40:
Mexican weed beats no weed.
burningbush @ 32:
I'm on board, but only if we can include dubya in the deal.
Seriously, if Lou thinks meth is run across the border by illegals he needs to spend a few weeks in my rural Michigan county. He'll find that meth is cooked by rednecks in trailer parks who are natural-born citizens of the USA.
For a guy that has done a good job in the past in raising issues about unfair trade and corrupt corporate business practices, Lou's contradicting everything he says by slipping into bed with McCain - the biggest free trader and outsourcing advocate in Congress. McCain's proposed policies will also draw more illegal immigration into the US as he won't go after the employers that hire them. He must have gotten marching orders from above to promote McSame.
i have been a reader of crooks &liars for some time .and sometimes i find storys and comments that i dont agree with i hardly ever blog. but now i have to say that if more americans stood up against this immegration problem like Lou does there wouldnt be a problem! those people come here looking for a better life right? but for them to get it it acttually efects our lives.they dont pay there share of taxes,the dont assimalate with us ,they have taken my town and turned it third world i see them in stores getting food on the wic cards,hospitals getting free health care ,living 2 3 familys to 1 house,driving big new trucks and all the while knowing they arent going to be bothered! if you readers dont see it in your areas go where they are and observe it looks like mexico on our main road taco wagons on every other corner. mexican markets restraunts clothing strores barber shops.it is not the place i grew up in anymore! banks cater to them govt.caters to them.hell walmart caters to them it has to end or you folks will see when they come to your town and take it over and it will happen sooner than later!
Amalink @ 1:
dobbs is just another republican idiot!
It seems to me that you would be more concerned about drug traffic and dealers crossing the border than a database on legal crossings of the citizens. Dobbs is correct on this one but mention illegal immigration and you are called a bigot or some other name.
What you have to realize is every illegal that crosses the border is taking a potential job or position from people that are entering the country legally. If you want to enter any country there is a process to follow and all that say that people that oppose Mexicans or anyone else that cross the border and the drug dealers that seem to come with them makes you suffer from xenophobia or a bigot is way out of line.
Follow the legal procedure and some of us would not have a problem with you entering the USA or my country Canada.
If that makes me or Lou Dobbs bigots, then so be it, but I personally think the stand by some makes you fools. What the hell do you think immigration laws or for, only for those that want to follow them?
Watcher @ 48:
The reason why people like you and Lou Dobbs are labeled bigots is because you use bigoted phrases like "illegals" to describe immigrants who are undocumented. Also, it seem that much of the blame is thrown at the Mexican rather than the American employer that hires them. It is also the Mexican who is to blame for the drugs entering the country rather the demand of American buyers. Personally, I find it difficult to blame a poor person for the problem when there is a rich person waving dollars at him.
lou dobbs should step lightly so as not
to trip on his low-hangers. he can play ping-pong
with them and not move out of place.
pepeloser @ 46:
I know. I have said it myself on here a half a dozen times, and have always been roundly criticized as a xenophobe and redneck, and "troll" (whatever the heck that is). I live in a fairly nice (shrinking) middle class neighborhood in the San Fernando Valley. I see the problems Lou points out every single day. He is right, and the bleeding hearts that attack him are simply either too blind to see the problem, or are not affected, or more likely, care MORE about illegals than they do their own fellow citizens.
My girlfriend is an Irish immigrant. She went through the process like all LEGAL immigrants do, and did so on a shoestring budget, paying the fees and waiting in the lines. She had NO SPONSOR, and at the time of getting her citizenship, no job. I was at her swearing in ceremony in downtown Los Angeles in the convention center. There were THOUSANDS of people from all over the world being sworn in that day, the vast majority of them Hispanic. You should have seen the happy faces of our new citizens, our NEW AMERICANS, as they walked out of that place that day. Then, I drove home past the Home Depot and the lumber yard and other places with the "day-workers" hanging out, hissing at the women, dumping their garbage on the streets, relieving themselves in public, and generally not being decent citizens and all that positive energy and good will I had just felt dissipated in a flash. Personally I don't mind the taco trucks and hispanic markets and Chinese restaurants and Irish pubs and German delis and other aspects of foreign culture in my country. I just want the business owners who hire the illegals to be punished by the law heavily enough that the hiring of these people will no longer be possible.
Moose @ 49:
The word "illegals" is NOT a bigoted word, just like the Confederate Battle Flag does not "stand" for slavery or the KLAN. That word and that flag are twisted by people (with completely different motives) to mean these things, no matter how hard sensible people try to explain their proper use. How is the air up there on that high horse?
I used to support Dobbs but he has snapped his cap finally!
This is what every American should be afraid of...
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/New_guidelines_would_give_FBI_broader_0821...
This is the beginning of a full police state and no good can come from this if it is not opposed!
samdog @ 52:
When Lou Dobbs or someone like myself talks about Illegal Immigrants we are talking about people who chose to break the immigration laws of the country that they are entering.
Personally, I don't give a damn what or who you are if you enter my country through the right channels. Try and take a short cut and cross the border illegally and you are in my world an illegal immigrant. If that makes me a bigot my friend, so be it. I call them as I see them, some are more "politically correct" than I and call them undocumented workers, well in my world they are illegal immigrants that are taking jobs away from people that follow the rules and go through the correct channels for immigration.
I agree with Lou too. That does not make me a bigot. How is "illegal immigrant" a bigoted phrase. Seriously, are you off your rocker? If that's the case then I'm an "undocumented herbalist"
For all the braindead:
Lou: The Gov't wants to track law abiding citizens but refuse to stop the flow of people illegally crossing the Mexican border, which is a major supplier of drugs to this country.
Average C&L fan: OMG KKK!!!! HOW COULD HE SAY THOSE THINGS@!!!!! ENABLE! REPUBLICAN!!! ENABLE, ENABLE!! HE SAID ILLEGAL and IMMIGRANT IN THE SAME SENTENCE!! WHAT A BIGOT!!!
Me: Geesh, am I the only sane one left?
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I hope Dobbs was saying "What in hell are we doing watching American citizens when we're not paying any attention to illegals coming across the borders." I hope he wasn't saying that random surveillance of citizens is not a big deal. If he was, then he denies the basic principals of the country he claims to want to protect.
And I don't mind so much his railing against illegals being granted easy access and safe havens in this country. What I object to is his festooning the problem with crap about leprosy (remember that foolishness?) and drugs. You want to stop illegal drugs? Legalize them and control them sensibly, instead of wasting 100s of billions of dollars on a phony "war."
LOL!!!! Well said. This country has become so dumbed down.
erik @ 55:
The knee-jerk reactions to this hugely poor Dobbs posting are priceless. Your masters will be pleased!
The reason why nothing is being done about the huge number of illegal immigrants is very straight forward:
It levels the standard of living between the countries, making a North American Union infinitely easier to achieve.
You'll get it too - it's no less than you deserve for refusing to think.
Ttown @ 59:
Patty D. @ 10:
Most meth labs are a white thing. You are a bigot. Birds of a feather!
chicano2nd @ 61:
Comment meant for erik@55
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Lou Dobbs is not an expert on PRIVACY issues...
Lou Dobbs (notice the lapel pin) is a NATIONALIST, or frankly put...
Lou Dobbs couldn't care about National Security and instead, prefers "PAPERS PLEASE!"
But I'm confused as to what Dobbs believes... He's all over the place.
I guess he's a victim of the media driven salacious news... ANYTHING FOR A BUCK!
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The new nazi police state and it's handy scapegoats.
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A good read on PRIVACY.
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/dsolove/
He received his A.B. in English Literature from Washington University, where he was an early selection for Phi Beta Kappa, and his J.D. from Yale Law School. At Yale, Professor Solove won the university-wide scholarly writing Field Prize and served as symposium editor of the Yale Law Journal and as an editor of the Yale Journal of Law & the Humanities. Following law school, Professor Solove clerked for The Honorable Stanley Sporkin, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. After practicing law as an associate at the firm of Arnold & Porter in Washington, D.C., Professor Solove began a second clerkship with The Honorable Pamela Ann Rymer, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
He began his law teaching career at Seton Hall Law School in 2000. He joined the George Washington University Law School faculty in 2004.
Professor Solove writes in the areas of information privacy law, cyberspace law, law and literature, jurisprudence, legal pragmatism, and constitutional theory. He teaches information privacy law, criminal procedure, criminal law, and law and literature.
An internationally known expert in privacy law, Solove has been interviewed and quoted by the media in several hundred articles and broadcasts, including the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Chicago Tribune, the Associated Press, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and NPR.
Professor Solove is the author of Understanding Privacy (Harvard University Press 2008), The Future of Reputation: Gossip, Rumor, and Privacy on the Internet (Yale University Press 2007), The Digital Person: Technology and Privacy in the Information Age (NYU Press 2004) and Information Privacy Law (Aspen Publishing, 2d ed. 2006), among other titles. His book, The Future of Reputation, won the 2007 McGannon Award.
He has written more than 25 articles, which have appeared in many of the leading law reviews, including the Stanford Law Review, Yale Law Journal, California Law Review, U. Pennsylvania Law Review, NYU Law Review, Michigan Law Review, and U. Chicago Law Review, among others.
He has consulted in high-profile privacy law cases, contributed to amicus briefs before the U.S. Supreme Court, and testified before Congress. He serves on the advisory board of the Electronic Privacy Information Center and is on the board of the Law and Humanities Institute.
Professor Solove blogs at Concurring Opinions, a blog covering issues of law, culture, and current events. It was selected by the ABA Journal as among the 100 best law blogs.
Americans have already lost the FAITHFUL REPRESENTATION of their House Representatives on this matter. The Senate fell in line with the "system" and even the Democratic Party's champion, Status quObama caved.
AMERICANS HAVE NO RIGHT TO REDRESS PRIVACY VIOLATIONS ANYMORE!
THE FOURTH AMENDMENT IS DEAD... AND AMERICANS SNOOZE!!!!!
PLEASE,
Read Daniel J. Solove's work.
And wake the PHUCK UP!!!
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Chris @ 12:
I concur Chris. I dont know what silentpatriots' agenda is here, but I believe Dobbs' point was that the government is constantly increasing its power to spy on law abiding citizens in the name of homeland security but the back door of the store remains unsecured and wide open for anything, be it illegals aliens, (from any country, Dobbs never said Mexicans) drugs or terrorists. So I also ask why is the government spending so much time and wanting more power to track you and me when open boarders seems to be the bigger problem and its basically ignored?
Ben Franklin said it best: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
If you don't have confidence in looking out for yourself and feel that you need a government to do that for you, then you have the whole concept of the principles that the U.S. was founded on really screwed up.
Lou needs to shut up and go home so he can pay his illegals to clean up after his daughters' show horses.
methamphetamines - mostly produced in the US; heroin - direct CIA flights from Afghanistan; cocaine - direct DEA flights from Columbia; marijuana - mostly produced in US and Canada
i dont read alot of the comment section on c&l but this is the first time ive seen a split decision.
other than baiters, this is the first time ive read a split decision on c&l
Jake @ 18:
Whether or not you agree that the poor of Mexico should be given the right to work in the US or not, the effect is a Balkanization of some of the lower southern states by flooding those states with migrant workers who have a stronger affiliation with Mexico than they do with America proper. This undercuts the labour market, especially for younger and less skilled workers and creates a great deal of interracial tensions. Anyone who doubts that try going for a stroll in an area where lots of these illegal immigrants live. Very likely you will not get out alive. Mexicans as a rule hate America and would like to see many of those Southern States returned to Mexico.
The bottom line is, however, that this "illegal immigration" blind eye is delibarate government policy to reshape the political fabric in America towards feudalism with a super elite who basically own the country outright and the rest of us serving them. This is reflected in police not charging illegals with traffic violations if caught, preferencial loans from banks and even state legislation saying they deserve free college tuition over American-born citizens. The federal government is encouraging them to break the law, its that simple, then claims to have the solution to the problem they created. The federal government is encouraging the migrants to break the law, which isn't surprizing given the the entire Congress and White House has not only broken numerous laws, but have shredded the Constitution as well.
Anyone who paints someone who has concerns about this issue with the broad brush of xenophobia shows that they both don't fully understand all the aspects of this issue and that there arguments are somewhat weak. Either you have immigration laws or you don't. A country that doesn't even respect its own laws is not run by the rule of law. Either legal status is something you have to earn or it is meaningless.
It is called divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book, keeping us focussed on other victims while the real problem makers use the situation to further expand and entrench their power.
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