Hillary Knocks It Out of The Park: "No Way. No How, No McCain."
By SilentPatriot Tuesday Aug 26, 2008 7:30am
The message Tuesday night couldn't have been clearer: The time has come to put the primaries behind us and support the Democratic nominee for President. As Senator Clinton makes abundantly clear, our country simply cannot afford "four more years of the last eight years."
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Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend. He has served our country with honor and courage. But we don't need four more years . . . of the last eight years.
More economic stagnation ...and less affordable health care.
More high gas prices ...and less alternative energy.
More jobs getting shipped overseas ...and fewer jobs created here.
More skyrocketing debt ...home foreclosures ...and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families.
More war . . . less diplomacy.
More of a government where the privileged come first ...and everyone else comes last.
John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work.
With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart.
Hillary did everything she came to do Tuesday night, and she did it with sincerity and style. She acknowledged her incredible, historic run and many diehard supporters, while drawing a clear contrast between the policies of Obama/Clinton and those of Bush/McCain. She came to convincingly make the case to all her holdouts that Obama is the only candidate in this race who will fight for their values. And she succeeded wildly. Bravo.
Below is the text as prepared for Hillary Clinton's' speech at the 2008 Democratic Convention.
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I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.
Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines.
This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win.
I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.
And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.
No way. No how. No McCain.
Barack Obama is my candidate. And he must be our President.
Tonight we need to remember what a Presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you -- the American people, your lives, and your children's futures.
For me, it's been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America's greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people -- your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.
You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and . . . you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.
I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn't have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.
I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: "Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there....and then will you please help take care of me?"
I will always remember the boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage and that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn't know what his family was going to do.
I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administrtation.
To my supporters, my champions -- my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits - from the bottom of my heart: Thank you.
You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.
Along the way, America lost two great Democratic champions who would have been here with us tonight. One of our finest young leaders, Arkansas Democratic Party Chair, Bill Gwatney, who believed with all his heart that America and the South could be and should be Democratic from top to bottom.
And Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a dear friend to many of us, a loving mother and courageous leader who never gave up her quest to make America fairer and smarter, stronger and better. Steadfast in her beliefs, a fighter of uncommon grace, she was an inspiration to me and to us all.
Our heart goes out to Stephanie's son, Mervyn, Jr, and Bill's wife, Rebecca, who traveled to Denver to join us at our convention.
Bill and Stephanie knew that after eight years of George Bush, people are hurting at home, and our standing has eroded around the world. We have a lot of work ahead.
Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation's history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.
Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.
I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.
To promote a clean energy economy that will create millions of green collar jobs.
To create a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance.
To create a world class education system and make college affordable again.
To fight for an America defined by deep and meaningful equality - from civil rights to labor rights, from women's rights to gay rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families. To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential.
To make America once again a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.
To bring fiscal sanity back to Washington and make our government an instrument of the public good, not of private plunder.
To restore America's standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home and honor their service by caring for our veterans.
And to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.
Most of all, I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight long years.
Those are the reasons I ran for President. Those are the reasons I support Barack Obama. And those are the reasons you should too.
I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?
We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.
This won't be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don't fight to put a Democrat in the White House.
We need to elect Barack Obama because we need a President who understands that America can't compete in a global economy by padding the pockets of energy speculators, while ignoring the workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas. We need a President who understands that we can't solve the problems of global warming by giving windfall profits to the oil companies while ignoring opportunities to invest in new technologies that will build a green economy.
We need a President who understands that the genius of America has always depended on the strength and vitality of the middle class.
Barack Obama began his career fighting for workers displaced by the global economy. He built his campaign on a fundamental belief that change in this country must start from the ground up, not the top down. He knows government must be about "We the people" not "We the favored few."
And when Barack Obama is in the White House, he'll revitalize our economy, defend the working people of America, and meet the global challenges of our time. Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. And President Obama and the Democrats will do it again.
He'll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He'll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can't wait to watch Barack Obama sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.
Barack Obama will end the war in Iraq responsibly and bring our troops home - a first step to repairing our alliances around the world.
And he will have with him a terrific partner in Michelle Obama. Anyone who saw Michelle's speech last night knows she will be a great First Lady for America.
Americans are also fortunate that Joe Biden will be at Barack Obama's side. He is a strong leader and a good man. He understands both the economic stresses here at home and the strategic challenges abroad. He is pragmatic, tough, and wise. And, of course, Joe will be supported by his wonderful wife, Jill.
They will be a great team for our country.
Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend.
He has served our country with honor and courage.
But we don't need four more years . . . of the last eight years.
More economic stagnation ...and less affordable health care.
More high gas prices ...and less alternative energy.
More jobs getting shipped overseas ...and fewer jobs created here.
More skyrocketing debt ...home foreclosures ...and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families.
More war . . . less diplomacy.
More of a government where the privileged come first ...and everyone else comes last.
John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work.
With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart.
America is still around after 232 years because we have risen to the challenge of every new time, changing to be faithful to our values of equal opportunity for all and the common good.
And I know what that can mean for every man, woman, and child in America. I'm a United States Senator because in 1848 a group of courageous women and a few brave men gathered in Seneca Falls, New York, many traveling for days and nights, to participate in the first convention on women's rights in our history.
And so dawned a struggle for the right to vote that would last 72 years, handed down by mother to daughter to granddaughter - and a few sons and grandsons along the way.
These women and men looked into their daughters' eyes, imagined a fairer and freer world, and found the strength to fight. To rally and picket. To endure ridicule and harassment. To brave violence and jail.
And after so many decades - 88 years ago on this very day - the 19th amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote would be forever enshrined in our Constitution.
My mother was born before women could vote. But in this election my daughter got to vote for her mother for President.
This is the story of America. Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up.
How do we give this country back to them?
By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.
And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.
If you hear the dogs, keep going.
If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.
If they're shouting after you, keep going.
Don't ever stop. Keep going.
If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.
Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.
I've seen it in you. I've seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military - you always keep going.
We are Americans. We're not big on quitting.
But remember, before we can keep going, we have to get going by electing Barack Obama president.
We don't have a moment to lose or a vote to spare.
Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance.
I want you to think about your children and grandchildren come election day. And think about the choices your parents and grandparents made that had such a big impact on your life and on the life of our nation.
We've got to ensure that the choice we make in this election honors the sacrifices of all who came before us, and will fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope.
That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great - and no ceiling too high - for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.
Thank you so much. God bless America and Godspeed to you all.
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Thought she delivered a good speech. Now, if she really wants to help, she'll continue to rip McCain after leaving Denver. And that goes for Bill too.
Anyone else notice that Hillary mentioned her daughter, but not Bill? She is proud to be so many things, mother among them, but she wasn't proud to be a wife.
You're kidding aren't you? I have supported Obama, but from where I sit it sure looks like the energy is slowly leaking from the convention. HC did an ok job, but with all the time she had to prepare it just seemed perfunctory, not enough emotional support for BO. The Dems have right ideas, they don't have leaders the majority of people will follow. Why? I wish I knew. Also, Warner's speech put me to sleep.
I watched it and i listened to it....she did a fantastic job. No doubt there will be a few hillary hold-outs, but it is not because of anything she said. Hillary made it clear that there is only one horse in this race worth betting on and that is Obama.
McCain can't begin to relate to working class and every day sorts of people. Please. He'll say and do anything to get elected. All he wants is that job, that he feels he deserves. Even hiring Karl Rove's stooges to do his dirty ads isn't beneath McCain. and even if he does get elected he'll have an even larger Democratic congress to deal with to attempt to get his lame policies passed. he's more worrisome as an even bigger warmonger-in-chief than Bush. he's completely bought in to the neo-con worldview and if another cold war is what he wants then hes going to create it. military industrial complex here he comes. this man has to be stopped. we don't need more of the same. but worse in some ways.
rc,
What would you have had her do? I suspect that whatever she did/does there are some that will say it was not enough. (You aren't one who thinks that she and Bill secretly want BO to lose, are you? Becuase that is beyond silly).)As a BO supporter, I think that HC did a wonderful job.
i kind of agree it was a good speech for unity
she gave her support for Obama
but slight drop of the ball around for making the case for Obama
Sure they share the same policy ideas
but i still wished she had made the case of experience and judgment for 3.AM calls (more reasons to support Obama)
but any Anti-McCain speech is good for Democrats and party unity
"No Way, No How, No McCain." LOL!
Now go make a commercial ad out of that McPOW.
The speech was powerful. I was not fan of her in the past..but this was the best speech she ever gave.
She said all what was needed to be said,and covered many areas in her speech.
She is a skilled speaker.
She left no room to PUMA or McCain people to fish,when she assured everyone of her full support to Obama and Biden.
Steve @ 2:
i also noticed she didn't say proud wife.
Steve @ 2:
GOP Talking Point #5
I don't know if McCain can relate to poor people, but I know he can related to rich people a lot better. And his campaign is heavily in favor debt.
Haven't watched any of the convention...and don't plan to. Platitudes and self-congratulatory hyperbole laced with a little delusional rhetoric. It's time for third party. Nader, Mckinney, Barr, I don't care who, anybody but the corporate puppets that have been chosen for us.
More Scalia,Thomas,Roberts,Alito...........?
No Way........No How..............No McCain!!
GOP Talking Point #1 She didn't give her "endorsement"
GOP Talking Point #2 There are still many disgruntled women and Hillary supporters
GOP Talking Point #3 She didn't go far enough
GOP Talking Point #4 The convention looks divided and lacks energy
GOP Talking Point #5 She didn't mention that she is a proud wife.
GOP Talking Point #6 She didn't mention Bill
GOP Talking Point #7 The color of her pantsuit was terrible
GOP Talking Point #8 The whole thing was contrived and choreographed
GOP Talking Point #9 There is an air of disunity
GOP Talking Point#10 The convention lacks energy
Did I miss any? At least 4 of these points have been mentioned in this thread already. The trolls are up early today.
The path to reconciliation, admitting defeat and rallying to crush the thugs is way past due. Move away from the mirror. Now is the time to set the pace, lead and inspire Americans to renounce the last 8 yrs.
Republicans-Propaganda-Race-Issues-MSM
The Republicans have chosen as their candidate one of the most ignorant warmongers alive. The Democrats’ choice was between one of the most divisive women in America and a man of mixed race with a funny name. Considering American’s taste for war, the Democratic candidate could fail to defeat the GOP war candidate.
Many Americans will vote against Obama because he is black. Why does mixed ancestry confer the black label? If America’s population was predominantly black, would Obama be considered white?
Race and propaganda are more likely to determine the outcome of the November election than any awareness or consideration of real issues by voters.
The real issues are suffocated by the media. The American middle class is being destroyed by jobs offshoring and work visas for foreigners, while the incomes of the super rich are soaring. The US dollar’s reserve currency status is eroded. The US is massively in debt at home and abroad. Health insurance is unaffordable for the vast majority of the population. Injured veterans are being nickeled and dimed, while Halliburton’s profits escalate. Americans are losing their homes, while the US government bails out banks. Wars with Iran, Russia, and China are being planned in order to secure US hegemony.
Americans no longer have a government that is for the people and by the people. They have a government for and by special interests and an insane ideology.
In a article about Russia/America
also an interesting argument to be noted
Many Americans will vote against Obama because he is black.
Why does mixed ancestry confer the black label?
If America’s population was predominantly black, would Obama be considered white?
"Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend. He has served our country with honor and courage."
I guarantee you all no one, not one person, will make a similar statement at the RNC next week about Obama, Clinton or Biden. They will revel in the attack.
Still bringing our fists to a gun fight I see.
I missed the speech last night....Hey...The Office was on...what was I supposed to do...besides...I'm kinda conventioned out, after watching for 5 hours straight yesterday....
I'm glad that Hill did the right thing. That's pretty damn cool actually.
But these conventions have sort of like..oh...I dunno...that canned, award show feeling...
I can't WAIT to see how pathetic the GOP convention's gonna be...HA!
Another prediction: Bill will say something very positive and unprovoked about McCain between now and McCain's acceptance speech.
Pure Bourgeois pseudo democracy.
The Ruling Class will remain in charge whichever of the duopoly candidates wins.
McPOW is certainly the worse of the two but by just how much.
What must be demanded is government of the
corporationspeople, by thecorporationspeople, for thecorporationspeople.That will take a radical shift. Who are you going to call?
Jersey,
Hillary said " Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend. He has served our country with honor and courage",
because she knows next year he will back to the Senate.
The first words out of William Kristol's mouth on FOX after the speech: "She gave a rather tepid endorsement of Obama" Same with the rest of the clowns on FOX panel. Were they watching some speech in the Japanese paliament?
What dorks!!!!
The speech was average.
the attacks on McBush just didn't seem like they had the Umpha they needed. She should have HAMMERED the Iraq war fiasco, the perpetual lying, the lack of WMD's, the illegal wiretapping, the made-up intelligence. She briefly mentioned the lack of support for our wounded troops coming back from Iraq/Afghanistan, but she should have harped on that subject for at least 10 mins. The moldy hospitals, the fact that McSame was at Walter Reed and "didnt notice" the obscene conditions. The lack of support for the families of servicemen killed. The fact that Republicans rejected a bill to reduce Iraq tours from 15 months to 12. The possible need for a military draft if McCain gets his 10,000-year war.
The GOP convention next week will be all about sledgehammers and baseball bats.
It's time for the Democrats to put down the wet noodles.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
Just wait until LAC, Johnny2Bad, and of course Dennis, wake up. Those three goons recite GOP talking points in their sleep.
We need to take back the country Hillary sold out when she took us to war.
WORDS!
Randy @ 22:
I realize that. That's true for both sides. That fact won't hold the GOPer's back. It always scorched earth for them.
DonsBlog @ 12:
For five and a half years McCain was unable to relate to poor people.
Just thought I would toss that in on behalf of McCain.
On a serious note, I saw the speech on c-span this morning without pundits piping up so I could make my own decisions. I have not been one of her fans since about half way through the campaigning, but I gotta say that speech was way better than anything I had expected from her. I am happy to say I was very happily surprised. The part about the twin cities was my favorite.
I will always remember the dead Iraqis with Hillary's name on them.
john mccain's her friend? really?
i'm sorry but this woman and everything about her will always be suspect.
No. 44 @ 29:
yet another reason to vote for Obama.
S/M: Sorry in advance for the long post but this is pretty interesting:
nkd @ 6:
The publisher of Harpers Magazine is 'beyond silly':
"AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about the elections and continue to break with convention, we now turn to a question at the core of the American political process: Just who can become president of this country, and just how deep is the American love for a democracy?
Most of us have been brought up on the idea any deserving US citizen can technically reach the White House one day. We have also been reared on the belief that Americans are duty-bound to maintaining the democratic values of our country.
But award-winning journalist, author, publisher and president of Harper’s magazine, John MacArthur, begs to differ. His latest book, which comes out next month, is called You Can’t Be President: The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America. MacArthur says the popular notion any American can become president only reinforces the “destructive national delusion that widespread, up-from-the-ground, truly popular democracy, both political and economic, really exists in America.” To assume that, he says, is equal to believing Santa Claus exists. ...
AMY GOODMAN: So why is Barack Obama giving so much play to the Clintons? I mean, Hillary Clinton will be speaking on Tuesday. President Clinton will be speaking on Wednesday. Her name will be entered. There will be the vote. It’s as if it’s a Clinton convention.
RICK MACARTHUR: Well, now we’re getting into tactics. We’re getting away from some of the other things I’m talking about. And tactically, I think this is very stupid on the part of Obama. And I seem to be the only person besides Dick Morris, Bill Clinton’s former adviser, who’s saying this. The idea—in fact, Dick Morris wrote a very funny piece the other day, saying—on his blog, saying that if Clinton—excuse me, if Obama can’t stand up to the Clintons, how can he stand up to President Putin of Russia? I would say that that’s exactly right, that he has given way too much air time to the Clintons and that Hillary Clinton has not conceded. This is another central part of the thesis of my book, which is that this is a factional fight within the Democratic Party. It’s not an ideological fight, it’s a fight over power. There is very little difference between Obama and Clinton on the big issues of the day. And the Clintons are still running. Hillary Clinton is hoping very much that Obama will lose and that she can present herself in 2012 on the “I told you so” ticket. Now, you can make—you could say that—
AMY GOODMAN: Do you think they’re going to directly work with John McCain on this?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, you’re looking—I mean, already there have been meetings. There was a meeting up in Westchester just a month ago between Clinton fundraisers and Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chairman who’s working, I think—I don’t know if she’s finance chairman, but she’s very involved in raising money for McCain. Lynn Forester De Rothschild, she’s been quoted in the papers saying that she’s not happy with the Obama fundraising apparatus. It’s like two corporations trying to merge, and one of the corporations doesn’t really want to be taken over. The Clinton corporation is hoping, really, that the Obama corporation will bankrupt itself and fall apart and that they can resume their drive for power in four years."
No. 44 @ 29:
You really don't have a point, do you....except to belittle Hillary the morning after she did a noble and unselfish thing for the Party.
If people are still too stupid to see the differences between having a green energy focus or heaping more billions onto Big Oil's plate, then they have not been paying the least amount of attention.
I don't see how Hillary could have made the point any stronger that mcCain would be a disaster for the country. Warner's words were very clear as well.
The Democratic convention is taking the high road and offering a clear vision for the future. Anybody who can't see this must have their brain set on "permanent catfight."
Grow up, folks. It's only fair to take away the helm from the Republicans before they finish screwing this country into the dirt. We do have a responsibility here -- to the next generation.
Crooks and Liars was one of the very few blogs that held out against the rising tide of obsession with the glory of the democratic party for a very long time, and as a result was one of the few blogs worth reading for a long time. That state of affairs is rapidly changing.
Just exactly why do we give one fig why anyone from either party makes a great speech? Just exactly why does anyone care about all the bullshit attacks and pathetic counter attacks of these baffoons who are seeking to become our next emperor? Spare me all the Obama is our saviour bullshit. The american political system is heading directly for authoritarian aristocracy and our beloved centrist, 'bipartisan', Democratic Nominee is leading the charge to put another kinder gentler, thousand points of compassionate conservatism, lipstick on a pig, face on the continued takeover of America by corporate interests.
Plus ce la change, plus ce la mem chose. American politics is, as it has been for a very long time, a choice between tweedle dum, and tweedle dummer. Obsessing about who said what is only serving to distract from that fact.
Anyone who thinks Hilary should've done more last night, to me, you all just seem as bitter as the dead-enders. Get over yourselves. Stop antagonizing.
To me, it's fair that some of Hilary's supporters will vote for Obama but with noses held. And if they don't want to vote at all, that's fair too. But for any to vote for McCain, they're just batshit crazy. I mean, vote for Nader or Bob Barr or no one at all, but to positively vote for McCain is insane.
No. 44 @ 29:
Do you also see Joe Biden's name on them?
Left&Left @ 33:
I love when all of sudden the concern trolls come out. Oooooh...what about the children!!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
They never went to bed -- they've been up waiting for this post to go up. Having posted they're now tucked happily away in their bed in mom's basement.
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Just when will a Dem take a sledgehammer to the lamest lame duck president in history?
Most of what I've heard from the pontificators who've spoken at the Convention focuses on the economy and an energy policy.
What about 2 endless wars, politicization of the Justice Dept, shredding the constitution, TORTURE, warrantless wiretapping (SPYING ON US CITIZENS), etc. ?
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
I am not a troll but now that you mention it, the color of her pantsuit WAS terrible, she looked like a pumpkin.
Fox News aired just over two minutes of former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner's keynote address to the convention.
After returning from a commercial, Alan Colmes stated, "In other election news, an independent group supporting John McCain released an ad last week attacking [Sen.] Barack Obama's ties to former Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers," and aired an ad from the Obama campaign responding to the McCain ad. Colmes and Sean Hannity then interviewed Rudy Giuliani.
Virginia Gov. Mark Warner's gave a 20-minute keynote address
EJG @ 40:
I really enjoy when hags like Laura Ingraham and Coulter start commenting on female Democrats' fashion choices.
Coulter has a closet full of dresses...all the same style and color.
Ingraham dresses like a school marm.
No matter what else is said or written, what it comes down to is that if John McCain becomes President, this country is going to continue to fail. Soon there will be no hope for recovery and the only words left will be eulogies.
john j @ 10:
Me too, but REally? We'd laugh out asses off at her if she said that and any credibility she could lend to the campaign would be right out the window.
I wonder if she and Bill will finally acknowledge their deep and abiding distrust of one another now and divorce. She has a great future in the Senate and he can chase as much tail as he wants while selling books and speaking engagements.
Look, it was a good speech- and good delivery. No doubt about it. But for Hillary to go up there and spout that if we elect McCain, we'll get " more war and less diplomancy", was, of course, laughable, as she 1) voted for the war she now wants out of and 2) enabled this war every step of the way and has since failed to even acknowledge her vote as a mistake. Pretty disingenuous stuff.
Steve @ 2:
That should earn 2 McCain points for you - keep going Tiger - soon you'll have enough for the free koozie!
VoiceFromTheWilderness @ 35:
It's not like she had nothing to do with the bad things that have happened over last eight years.
With her flag burning amendment, she was one of the dogs in the woods who was chasing down our freedoms.
She didn't do enough on FISA.
She's a good bullshitter. Obama is a good bullshitter.
There's speechifying, then there's the reality, which is pretty ugly.
Don't fall for the hype.
cobsjo @ 41:
Your a brave man watching FOX this early in the morning. Did you watch FOX and Friend *wink*. What did they talk about...the latest fashion in Georgian military wear? How to make homemade artillery? The health benefits of a 50 mile retreat? How to add personal touches to your family bomb shelter?
Have Hillary removed her name from being put into nomination? If she has not, she will effectively render her entire speech - and her support of Obama - moot.
It was a stunning speech and her delivery was triple-A. AND it needed to be made - despite all who say it had no value.
All the negative spin in the political cosmos can't change that.
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Bitter Bud Hussein @ 47:
Oooh, she also mentioned her mother but failed to say anything about her brother. Why is Hillary such a baaaaad sibling??
Not to offend a single soul, but whoever said that, leading the democratic party was like herding cats, was so right. We come out of the gate and go in every direction. From the speech was useless to the speech was great. There is something good about that. We don't fall in line, we seek our own path. The good thing is that most of the time we all arrive at the same spot eventually.
Now where is our attack cat/dog? We have Bill and Biden left before tomorrow night when Obama speaks. Bill could do some ripping tonight if his heart is in this thing. He could talk about himself and rip at the same time. He could compare the differences in then and now when it comes to the things Dr. Acula mentioned in his comment number 39.
Steve @ 46:
3 more McCain points! You're on a roll!
cobsjo @ 41:
Vomit. It's too early for that.
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Personally, I'm glad she came out to deliver a speech intended to unify the party in support of Obama. I'm deeply concerned there are holdout delegates who may not support Obama. I'm afraid they've lost their way and are going to sink us so I think her job isn't truly over. She needs to campaign for Obama throughout the next couple months. THAT would make her a great American--when she can see past her ambitions and work for the greater good and her holdout delegates need to do the same. This process is past being about which candidate will represent the Democratic party in the presidential election. The race is on for democracy, the Constitution, economic stability, peace, diplomacy, healthcare, education, employment, etc. We've got one good candidate on our side and an old ignorant right wing whore and a media monopoly on the other side. The deck is unquestioningly stacked against us and it's time for those Clinton holdouts to step up and do what's right for the country as a whole. If they don't follow through, it won't be her fault. It will be theirs. But she will pay the price because there are people like me who would never dare support her in any future bid for presidency if she's going to attract supporters that will eventually betray us all.
The Democratic Party was lucky to have a very good field of candidates to pick from. It was down to the wire but only one emerged the victor and we should all rally behind that candidate now!
Check the so called "Liberal Media" bias
The Right covers up their so called traitor
Several media outlets have ignored or buried the Democratic National Convention speech by former Rep. Jim Leach, an Iowa Republican, in which Leach endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president.
Indeed, ABC, CBS, and NBC did not air any of Leach's speech, while MSNBC and Fox News aired only seconds of it.
EJG @ 40:
Against the blue backdrop it hurt my eyes.
Django20912 @ 50:
I assume this is the first convention you've ever seen. Fact is, the #2 vote getter always gets entered into the first round of voting.
Steve @ 2:
The fact that she didn't mention she wasn't proud to be a wife is moot - after all she has stayed the course through thick and thin, and she has always been Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton. Since everyone knows who she is married to. is it really necessary to be a proud wife? What about the term "equal help mate"?
VoiceFromTheWilderness @ 35:
Yes. Hopefully the hype around here is intentional, to make sure the Democrat actually gets elected for once, and will stop after election day.
Hillary's speech was a natural conclusion to her failed race. It was a speech she had to do, and she performed well. Since when do we fawn over politicians for being pragmatic in their self interest?
Hillary's speech (which I still have problems with) was a start. Now Obama and Biden and all their surrogates have to take the gloves off. McCain certainly has. Read more. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/08/mccain-wallows-in-rove-gutter.html
cobsjo @ 41:
How many people did the Weather Underground kill all those years ago? Now, how many people, not to mention Americans, have terrorists Bush and Cheney killed much more recently? Link McCain to conservative terrorism.
No. 44 @ 48:
Here's some McCain reality.
Censured by the Senate for his involvement in the Keating scandal.
Has voted consistently against increased veterans benefits.
Voted against MLK holiday.
Repeatedly missed votes on major legislation.
Abused campaign finance rules by utilizing his wife's corporate jet for campaign stops. Since stopped since he got called on it.
Slow intro, good middle, great ending, but a TERRIBLE closing. God this god that...EWWWW. I didn't realize that I needed faith in god to be included. Way to go!
As an artist I thought Hill's outfit had class, color and style. The colors were completely flattering and she looked wonderful. That can't always be said - but it was true last night.
Leave Hillary's pantsuit alone!
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I don't think the Clintons have taken over the convention. Most times the most recent dem. president would be asked to speak as would the runner up in the campaign. It just happens that this time those two people are husband and wife.
Liberal AND Proud @ 49:
It was last night.
I don't watch Faux, but I'm a serial-email-anti-propaganda-protester
I think I'm on their "liberal watch list"
Steve @ 2:
well, why don't we impreach the man Clinton for the monica dress? While we're at it, let's forget about Jeff Gannon, Oh wait, we already have and impeachment isn't even on the table. Impeachment for Clinton. that would serve him right and the country as well. someone in another thread mentioned finding a bag containining 10 k in dollar bills and then complained because they weren't in larger denominations. Hillary did a great job. she did all she was asked to do and more. super job. and all the paid republican operatives who frequent this site to throw their crap against the wall to see which will stick, they can't change that. Kudos to hillary. You think that was something, couple it with michelle's speech as well and there was a double knockout. bring on joe and bill tonight and the other side will be reeling wondering what ploy to next employ to derail this supercharged express. True patriots, support this ticket and fight the naysayers at every juncture. Hillary and Bill are with us. The rest of you get used to saying PRESIDENT OBAMA. For the first time in a long time, last night watching the convention hope creeped back into my psyche.
The best speach of the convention thus far was that governor from Montana.
No. 44 @ 29:
do any of these dead iraqis have bush/chaney's name on them, or just Clintons?
You Hillary-Haters just can't put your hate aside. Even when she's out of the race and backing Obama, you still can't get past your hate. You'd rather wish and hope and lose, than win with Hillary on our side. Absolutely pathetic!
Liberal AND Proud @ 64:
Has changed positions on many issues, including abortion, to curry favor with the extremist wing of his party.
Signed confessions while prisoner of war, in direct violation of the military code of conduct, and which may have compromised the safety of soldiers in the field.
Provided information to his captors in exchange for medical aid and cigarettes..which means this "hero" is a coward.
rain @ 60:
I agree - and she paid tribute to her husband's tenure as president and then recounted the wonderful shape the country and economy were in at the end of it.
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buzz @ 72:
You don't get any McCain points for feeding the PUMAs. It's just too obvious.
Try the petting zoo.
alicia01 @ 65:
Yeah, I flinched a bit.
Hit all the salient points. Brought up all the boosh failures. Made the obvious boosh-mcstain connection. A little inspiration. A little bravado and of course the promise that dems will fix it.
It was good.
But I'm way past caring about what these people say.
Done with words.
Let's see some action.
buzz @ 72:
Wow. Someone really needs a nap.
I was outside having a beer with the neighbor last night when he
asked me if I was going to go watch Hilary speak.
I told him NO, I just ate dinner, and I'd probably throw up.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
great, this bears repeating.
Nikola @ 76:
I stop listening when they start shoveling that stuff.
HILLARY DID A GREAT JOB... and can follow it up with HER FIGHTING SPIRIT...
everyone will say "too much" or "too little"...... how about PRETTY DAMN GREAT....
"didn't say proud wife"..... SHE'S NOT ALL THAT PROUD OF THAT MOMENT...
Evidently no one really listened to Hillary's speech. She said a lot of good things and she did bring most of the party together. Besides, the last part of her speech was something that all of us should live by - I quote it here minus the spin.
"That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great - and no ceiling too high - for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other."
Before making a judgment call, read the speech - it's quite good and heartfelt. She didn't stumble on words, or fail to complete a sentence like McCain.
lucid fiction @ 79:
cute, your humor is ...underwhelming. that's the best you've got. worthy of third grade put downs.
Earl, thank you for bringing up that Democracy Now! interview. It needs to be heard/read in order to continue to bring these issues up to the forefront. Like I've said, I'm for unity. But, these questions that are brought up need to be part of the conversation in order to get some accountability.
This key passage sums it up in a way:
The interview is quite interesting. It gives you a lot to think about--especially in light of Hillary's speech last night.
Instead of just one, there needs to be a lot of perspectives about this issue.
Last night early, they showed two men up at the podium holding up four or five different color pantsuits to see which color looked best against the backdrop. I guess they determined the orange one was best.
I just wondered what those two guys' job description might be? Pantsuit color picker outer?
buzz @ 72:
While your comment has some nuance, it is still obvious who you're shilling for.
7 McCain Points!
Love how MSM (Faux News is the New MSM) is doing a great job of dividing the Dems, and most of us can't even see it.
The 10 noted GOP talking points are great evidence.
More evidence - the fact that everyone is falling in line with a timetable for troop withdrawals from Iraq (Except McShame). Wasn't that something that Barack campaigned on from the beginning (albeit to much scorn and criticism from his opponents) and hasn't wavered about? But alas FO News and other cable news networks will ultimately give the credit to Bush and McWar, and nobody will be the wiser.
Even more evidence - "HilarySupporters for McBoring" - How do these people continue to get so much press coverage. I at least thought Hardball's Chris Matthews got the point when he asked one at the end of an interview "Who did you vote for in the last Presidential Election?" Poor lady wavered, then refused to answer, then sort of half heartedly, nervously and unconvincingly indicated that she voted Democrat (I guess she realized that it was indeed impossible to verify her vote). Problem was Matthews didn't follow up.
Is it really that hard to be a Hilary and Obama Supporter? Never seen one interviewed on TV before. You either have to be for Obama or you have to be for Hilary. I'm actually a fan of both and would look forward to any role either played in the Presidency of their colleague.
Best speach of her I ever saw. Absolutely fantastic. If she'd constantly been that good half a year ago, this would have been her acceptance speach.
Well, it isn't. But she did great. And all the trolls here can *@#$ the *&%¢ off!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 73:
You're both doing a good job. Please continue.
Hillary and Barack are less bad than McCain. That doesn't mean we have to fall for the inspirational bullshit.
lucid fiction @ 79:
Did ye?
Bitter Bud Hussein @ 87:
Oh, really? I happen to agree with buzz, and I'm shilling for the Democratic ticket. Go figure.
New drinking game: anytime someones says or writes the phrase "out of the park" you need to do a shot. ;-)
I wasn't impressed with Hillary. She said all the right things but in her heart Obama must go. The little video before the speech was creepy as well. The Clintons are legends in their own mind. I don't know what HuffPo is crowing about , Clinton is still running.....
lucid fiction @ 79:
Hank Hill? Is that you?
lucid fiction @ 79:
Why? Did you see your reflection in the bottle?
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 85:
I chopped it up a bit to get the salient points, but the full transcript is at the link you provided, thanks.
I've been following things from here (up north) pretty closely since Katrina, primarily on DemocracyNow and C&L.
TV news really is nothing but superficial distraction.
Good luck in November!
bateman @ 91:
NO.
I did not watch.
I won't give a second of time to listening to someone who 'endorses' a candidate
that gave a speech in front of Hitler's favorite monument, while telling me
I'm a citizen of the world. Mc-IN-Sain will not get my vote as well.
While the text of her speech was well put, believe me, they are empty words
at best. Promises, promises.
John W @ 93:
I'm still recovering from the hangover I got from the McCain.."my friends" drinking game.
Last night Hillary Clinton made a great speech in her attempt to unify the party in order for us to stomp Grandpa in November. Almost immediately after Hillary's speech the trolls invaded this site slamming her just to destroy and obstruct any efforts to bring the Democratic party together. Attacking Hillary is intentionally moot.....this is really an attack on Obama.
Left&Left @ 100:
We need not concern ourselves with the GOP attack hamsters.
After this election, they'll be spending all their time blaming the loss of the election on George W. Bush, on having a weak candidate in John McCain, and screaming for Mitt Romney to run for President.
Bitter Bud Hussein @ 54:
Fixed.
Seriously not trolling here, but why, in a 24 minute speech does she literally NOT mention Obama for the entire last 20 minutes?
earl @ 103:
Ooops she did sorry ....! I'll shut up now ...
Hers skills as an orator have grown. It was artful, but plenty of self-serving Clintonian parsing. I would hate to rely on friends like her, and think the torpedoes are in the water heading for Obama.
I think Left&Left is right. To divide is too conquer. Get over it people, there is too much at stake.
United we stand.
Obama/Biden 08.
Politics is a dirty contact sport. And is certainly not for the thin skinned.
Her speech hit every point she needed to hit.
Can we all just get along now?
Also sorry for long post, but interesting internation perspective.
UK Guardian
The unlikeliest political comeback in history
IAIN MacWHIRTER August 25 2008
It seems incredible, but as the Democrats gather in Denver to anoint Barack Obama, America could be on course to re-elect a Republican as their President. Not just any Republican either, but a belligerent 71-year-old who can't remember how many houses he owns, would happily nuke Iran and whose answer to global warming is to drill for oil in environmentally sensitive areas off the coast of America which don't even have much oil. But according to the polls, John McCain is drawing level with Barack Obama, and even pulling ahead.
Really, America is a strange, strange country. After a disastrous and illegal war, in which 4000 American soldiers have died, in the middle of an economic crisis largely caused by the investment houses that finance the Republican party, you would have thought it almost inconceivable that the Republicans could be re-elected. Could any political brand be more toxic? Has any party in history deserved to be thrown out at an election more than the Republicans in 2008?
George W Bush has been recognised even by many neo-conservatives as the worst US President in modern history. Ten million people risk losing their homes over the next two years as a result of the credit crunch. Real wages have been declining in America for the past five years. The country is awash with credit card debt.
America's image in the world, so vibrant after 9/11, has been seriously tarnished by a series of epic foreign policy mistakes under the Republicans, the worst of which is, of course, Iraq. Yet enough American voters believe that John McCain might have the answers for him to become a serious contender. Which is scary. McCain is not an unknown quantity - he is a highly excitable politician with a notoriously short temper, who would bring his impetuous and confrontational style into American foreign policy. With the world entering a global economic slump, and old enmities raging in Europe, John McCain as President would be like a flamethrower in a fireworks factory.
I got an insight into the McCain worldview last week at the Edinburgh Book Festival in a session I did with Robert Kagan, McCain's leading foreign affairs adviser, and author of The Return of History and the End of Dreams. The good news is that the war against terror is past tense, it seems, because he didn't mention al Qaeda once. The bad news is that America might be about to revisit, not the cold war, but the era of nineteenth-century great power rivalry, which is how Kagan characterised the current state of international affairs.
Obama has to share the blame for McCain’s credibility
He believes the great faultline is between America and an axis of authoritarianism represented by China and Russia. There is a new era of geopolitical confrontation, according to Kagan, as Russia re-arms and China builds the biggest army in the world. America has to step up. "The future international order will be shaped," he says, "by those who have the power and the collective will to shape it." No prizes for guessing whether John McCain is up to the military challenge. Europe, which Kagan dismissed as an irrelevant entity in the new world of hard power, would get trampled in the rush.
This is all profoundly disturbing, so what are the Democrats doing about it? Barack Obama has to share the blame for making McCain credible. It's almost as if the Democrats expended too much of their intellectual effort, their moral energy, on the contest for the candidacy. After Obama's successful tour of Iraq, where to Republican dismay he won the backing of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for troop withdrawal, and then Europe, where Obama attracted 200,000 to his speech in Berlin, the campaign appears to have stalled. Certainly, the steam seems to have gone out of the Obama train.
Of course, the senator has been on vacation. He will likely be back in the lead by the end of this week, because candidates always get a poll boost after a party convention, and Obama will assuredly rise to the occasion on Thursday when he gives his acceptance speech on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" address to the civil rights movement. But Obama shouldn't be struggling: he should be storming ahead, leaving an aged and confused McCain in his slipstream.
The Iraq war is part of it. Obama's was almost a single issue campaign at the start; an anti-war candidate, until the fortunes of war turned in Baghdad. The apparent success of the US troop "surge" in 2007 in lessening communal violence in Iraq has taken much of the potency out of the war as an issue in domestic US politics. Bodybags are still coming back, and the war is still regarded as a mistake, but Iraq is not headline news. McCain's call for "peace with honour" sounds to many Americans more attractive than plain defeat and withdrawal.
Then there is the economy, stupid. The credit crunch has morphed into a full-blown recession, without anyone really facing up to the implications. It has happened so fast, with the sharpest drop in property prices since the Great Depression, the virtual collapse of mortgage banks like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the entire US political establishment is in disarray and confusion. We keep being told that "the worst is over", only for it to get worse.
Obama has not developed any economic answers yet, apart from a bit of job protectionism here, a bit of help to mortgage holders there. He supports tax cuts to middle class families and tax increases on those earning over $250,000. This has been attacked as "socialism" by the right, but it is far too anaemic and incoherent to be called anything recognisable.
Meanwhile, McCain has gone for the six-pack vote by calling for offshore oil drilling to cut petrol prices - a simplistic policy which would not do anything to reduce oil prices, but which sounds good to working-class America. He is also promising tax cuts, but for the rich as well as the poor. (McCain is on record saying that no-one worth less than $5m can be called rich.) This should be an open goal for a politician of Obama's gifts. Yes, race is an issue, but not as much of an issue as the lack of clarity and edge to Obama's political programme. He needs to target the root causes of the economic crisis and show that only Democrats have the route out of it; to reawaken the idealism of Franklin D Roosevelt and the New Deal for a country ravaged by greed, irresponsibility and inequality.
There is a opportunity to change the course of American history and bring the neo-conservative era to a close. That's the kind of change people really could believe in.
Got my evening niceties done late and flipped onto the convention with C-SPAN. The very first words I heard were: "No way. No how. No McCain."
I listened to everything from then on.
I agree with other folks (Duncan maybe?) that this was a speech she could not have given in such a way before she got her campaign mojo. It was a great speech, but will surely be picked apart by the right-wing operatives.
Now, will Larry King have real Democrats or faux Democrats next week?
CNN, are you listening?
Gary
People are going anti-McCain with POW
You are running for President of the United States, you are expected to be accountable to the people of this country. Of course I and every other citizen respects your sacrifice as well as every other former POW, but you have voluntarily undertaken this campaign. We the people are allowed, and even expected, to question some of your basic qualifications and financial background.
Open Letter to Senator John McCain: What about Floyd James Thompson and the other POW's?
and
McCain stabbed his fellow POWs in the back. This isn't about whether he confessed under torture, or whether he funded veterans issues, or not. This is about how he took the lessons it was his sad destiny to suffer, and turned them into their opposite. In pushing and voting for the MCA, with its provisions against habeas corpus, and its endorsement of so-called "enhanced" interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding, McCain has committed a great moral sin. He has done this in the name of pride and power.
McCain, POWs, & the Stab in the Back
lol awesome
I look forward to President Clinton's speech, and I truly welcome and hope for their participation in this election.
The Clintons are winners. Bill Clinton was a GREAT President. I may not have agreed with all of his policies, but that is the mark of a good politician. Playing it right down the middle and satisfying and dissatisfying everyone at the same time shows that there was compromise and pragmatism. The lack of those qualities is why the Bush Administration will be judged a failure by history.
Bill Clinton survived an impeachment brought on by one of the most regressive, prejudiced Congresses in the history of the country, and he did it with high approval ratings and plain old good policy. He is a BRILLIANT politician. His involvement in the race will accomplish two things...first...it will drive the right wing absolutely nuts, because despite all their venom...they couldn't destroy him and he remains as popular as ever. It will focus their attacks on him, and remind the country of all that was and is wrong with the Republican Party. Bill and Hillary have always been on the side of working people and children, and their presence in the campaign will remind the nation and the Democratic Party of that fact. They are both as tough as nails, know how to play the game, know their enemy and their tactics...and will absolutely kick the living crap out of the GOP.
We are a strong party. Their presence makes us stronger.
rain @ 83:
You're right. I've re-read the speech. It was good. It had three purposes:
1)Reconcile the factions within the party
2)Hillary had to show party unity--one way or another
3)She had to acknowledge her supporters.
My problem with the speech is whether it went far enough in such that:
1)It didn't address her attempts of playing the race card and condescending behavior
2)It didn't acknowledge the behaviors of her supporters in the wake of breaking off for McCain
3)It didn't acknowledge whether Obama truly could be thought of as a leader.
4)It didn't allow her to come clean about her own atrocious actions during the Primary.
5)It did establish the bond between herself and McCain, by never addressing what she and her husband meant in terms of McCain's leadership.
She should be lauded for towing the party line. After all, she's intelligent and calculating.
Let's hope her husband can do the same in his speech. All that needs to be remembered that there are a lot of issues that need to be dealt with before one can truly say it is water under the bridge. I certainly hope that she touches upon these issues in future interviews, articles or books because I would be fascinated to hear her side of the story.
Until she comes clean, it is time to be truly vigilant about her motives and behavior as of any other politician, left or right.
Now it's up to Obama to persuade people to vote for him.
(Leave the Reagan admiration stuff out of the equation Bo)
Oh...and one other thing.
Did anyone notice that Scarborough got punished last nite for his outburst with KO the evening before. He was banished to the convention floor, as if he was some beat reporter.
He was rarely seen and only briefly heard from.
After the conventions and possibly the elections are over, I fully expect to see him move over to FOX.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 113:
We already have witnessed the character and Bo arrogance all during the run up to this moment.
Why should people trust Bo. Or the kind of ugly Anti Clinton hate Bo supporters have spewed?
At least people know where Clinton stands, and the record of the Clinton years.
earl @ 97:
Hillary did a great job last night. Anyone still holding out had no intention of voting for Obama in the first place.
As a fellow artist, I'm with Trittdi -- Hillary's pantsuit was a most excellent choice for the occasion. She looked smashing! But why on earth are we quibbling about inconsequentials? The speech Hillary gave last night was a class act barn burner that hit all the right notes (and this from a person who has often been highly critical of the Clintons). Good gawd, what more could she have done, short of tying herself to a stake and lighting a match? It was a great speech. Period.
L.A. Confidential @ 116:
Why would you trust any politician? The point is that it's Obama and a return to the America we love or McCain and further advance to the police state that we fear.
I'll probably vote Obama but only because he's the lesser of the evils available. He lost me when he caved on FISA. And then there's this bizarre pseudo revival tent the dems have going on. Ugh. Ultra creepy. Why don't they just hang a banner that says "Reslug lite sold here".
"I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?"
I am not a fan of Sen. Clinton, but I thought her speech was marvelous and very well delivered. The first line of the quote above knocked my socks off. I hope her ardent and rational supporters heard her message. I know there will be some who elect not to.
I thought the speech was rather boring and uninspiring, and in my humble (if I'm ever that) opinion Warner's was worse.
The speeches are becoming more and more filled with soundbite material, which is good for the dumbass masses out there that don't believe in thinking on their own. (I say "dumass masses" with complete respect since I have family that qualifies for that). Warner's "McCain isn't a maverick, he's a sidekick" was the best yet.
Hillary did really try to unify the party a little bit, but she didn't make her speech personal, like many of the attacks she lobbed at Obama during the primary. I was listening to CSPAN (couldn't recall which one), and one thing that struck me about the die-hard Hillary supporters that won't back Obama is the selfishness in their voices. They obviously don't care about their daughters, mothers, sisters and wives. They don't care about our soldiers and our veterans. All they care about is how they feel and they're willing to vote against their own best interest if it makes them "feel" better.
Awww... the poor babies. Bill Clinton once said... In the primaries you vote with your heart and in the general you vote with your party. (or something like that)... there are still too many voting with their heart.
Liberal AND Proud @ 115:
MSNBC has turned into a partisan joke. Olberman who I used to like has turned into the the liberal version of Bill O Reilly.
They should just show Chuck Todd and Rachel Maddow 24/7.
So true.........
Given the number of apologies Obama has had to issue on behalf of rappers, McCain isn't getting more criticism for embracing Daddy Yankee.
Daddy Yankee was shot during an altercation for which he picked up an assault charge. But it's okay because Ludacris wants to eat your babies and McCain was a POW.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 117:
Man, there sure are a lot of ugly trolls out early today. Or stayed up last night. Or something. Don't you right-wing haters have something distasteful to do today, like clean the spooge off of mommy's computer monitor before she gets up?
As for the pantsuit: leave it be. Since when are clothes a legitimate political concern to any thinking human being? And, forget the TradMedia. Watch C-Span and keep the mediagarchs from getting advertising dollars off of you. It's better to make up your own mind by watching the unadulaturated stuff than it is to let the Althouses and Hannitys of the world chew cud and pour it down your throat for you.
Come on people --use your brains for something besides navigation to the Cheetos bag.
Insincere, contrived, uninspiring, mundane, superficial, are but a few words to describe this speech. It's easy to understand why she lost the primary. Once in awhile the people get it right and Obama is right where he belongs. The better candidate won.
L.A. Confidential @ 116:
Barack Obama is not an arrogant person. Nor is he cruel. The reason why I say this is that anyone else dealing with Hillary's attacks during the Primary would have truly retaliated against her for what she did.
In my book, Mr. Obama has showed a lot of restraint in dealing with her. And there's proof of that plenty in the media.
Although I admit it goes both ways, I still think that a lot of "mistrust" of Barack Obama has been stirred by the dominant culture and its penchant for being suspicious of anyone who doesn't "look" or "act" like them.
So when people (from the dominant culture) say that they don't trust him, there are a few underlying reasons that also come to the surface based on paranoia and ignorance.
Out of all of the things you have said here on C&L, this is probably the most true.
Clinton leaves no doubt what she truly means to do no matter for good or ill.
And that is especially the case when the 3am ad aired as well as her mention of the "hard-working white blue collared workers" in W.VA.
And when she refuses to show the finances for the Clinton Library, it is pretty clear that there is some underlying things that would have caused quite a few questions had they been revealed.
So, yes there are connotations that are closely associated with her that are quite clear to see.
"Evidently no one really listened to Hillary's speech. She said a lot of good things and she did bring most of the party together. Besides, the last part of her speech was something that all of us should live by - I quote it here minus the spin.
"That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great - and no ceiling too high - for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other."
Before making a judgment call, read the speech - it's quite good and heartfelt. She didn't stumble on words, or fail to complete a sentence like McCain.
"
Rain...except for the whole hocus pocus hooey about god....I think it was a great speech...kinda gettin tired of the xtians pushing their way deeper and deeper in politics.
boring speech.
no ideas.
yawn.....
it's hard to take her seriously any more....
Pari @ 122:
The so-called PUMAs are a fabrication of the mccain campaign and their doughnut munching pals in the media. Sure, there are probably a number of true Hillary supporters who are angry and disappointed over her loss but I seriously doubt that they will, in the end, vote for mccain and a redux of the bush regime.
bryancri @ 131:
Don't worry, it's hard to take you seriously too.
All this praise for Hillary Clinton here at Crooks&Liars --- amazing. At least ya got a taste of buyers remorse and saw what a consummate professional she is. From this point on it is all on Axelrod/obama to win or lose this contest. The Clintons are saying their goodbyes and being asked to leave the power part of the party. BIG MISTAKE, HUGE
Chris Gamble @ 124:
The difference being of course, that Olbermann, seems to tell the unvarnished TRUTH, BOR...if you don't know he's a lying, sack of propagandist shit...then...well...you're pretty much a dumbass.
And Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS....they HAVEN'T been pushing a pro GOP message for the last 8 years?
Get your lies straight before ya start in with that bullshit, thank you.
winston @ 128:
That fight was over a long time ago Mr. shit starter. It's obvious that you want to re-initiate old battles specifically intended to aid Grandpa.....instigating fucker.
PUMA
PUMA (originally "Party Unity My Ass" and now officially a more sedate "People United Means Action") was one of the original angry Hillary groups. Started by Darragh Murphy and depending on whose story you read Will Bowers, PUMA fed on the anger over the actions of the Democratic National Committee over the Florida and Michigan delegations. The PUMA PAC website features a graphic that now says "Obama National Committee" rather than Democratic National Committee.
In June Murphy filed a form 8871 with the Federal Election Commission for the formation of PUMA as a 527 Political Action Committee. Under "Purpose" Murphy wrote:
Puma PAC is a grassroots political action committee. Our goals are to protest the actions of the Democratic National Committee during the 2007-2008 presidential campaign, oppose the bias and sexism in the media during the campaign, and protest the 2008 Presidential Election.
The filing listed Murphy as both Treasurer and Executive Director. So far there have been no financial reports, so PUMA's support is unknown.
As for Murphy, she has an interesting past, formerly serving as head of Rowanoak Corporation (presumably named after William Faulkner's home--an interesting choice for a business name especially if you know your Faulkner), which arranged for construction work in the Boston area but itself did no actual contracting. In 2003 the United States District Court for Massachusetts issued a judgment against Murphy's mother Ann Walsh for receiving "fraudulent transfers" to her from Murphy.
Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon cites Murphy's $500 contribution to McCain in February of 2000 commenting:
So, not much of a Clinton fan but appears to be big on McCain.
At this point PUMA has not yet endorsed John McCain.
Thank you, Hillary. Way to go!
In response to:
Look, it was a good speech- and good delivery. No doubt about it. But for Hillary to go up there and spout that if we elect McCain, we’ll get ” more war and less diplomancy”, was, of course, laughable, as she 1) voted for the war she now wants out of and 2) enabled this war every step of the way and has since failed to even acknowledge her vote as a mistake. Pretty disingenuous stuff.
"3 more McCain points! You’re on a roll!"
Look, I do not support Mc Cain. He's a disaster of a presidential candidate. My support is behind Obama. But is Hillary simply above reproach? An untouchable beyond accountability? Sorry, tell me where I'm wrong: she VOTED for the Iraq war. She has since enabled it to continue to this very day. And- unlike some, like a certain VP candidate- she never apologized for that mistaken vote. Thus, for her to chide a vote for Mc Cain is a vote for more war and less diplomacy is what it is: bullshit.
Until the Clintons (mother and daughter ), hit the stage last night --- there was no energy in the convention. It has been deadly dull -- and all those THEME speeches are boring. Axelrod and co do not know show business ... they are going to lose the audience and the chance to sell obama to those who have not converted yet. And did anyone notice that Hillary included GAY RIGHTS in her talk last night? That is something obama will not do this week.
Spickle @137
Thanks for that.
As to your final comment. The mccain campaign claims that they will be bringing a busload of "former Clinton supporters" to the republic convention next week. I've heard different numbers bounced around - between 60 and 100. Whatever the number, I'd be willing to bet good money right now that a background check on all of them wouldn't produce any tangible evidence of a history of support for with the Hillary Clinton or the Democratic party.
This is all just one more layer of doubt (along with their phony poll numbers) that the media shills are planting to give plausible cover if they're successful in stealing this election.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
Word.
Let's forget that she implored all of her voters, whom she thanked repeatedly for their hard work, to vote for Barack Obama, lest everything they fought for be stripped away. Let's forget that she said that Barack Obama "is [her] candidate." We should only focus on all of the things she could have said (covering every possible subject in human history in twenty minutes time).
Jersey Jay @ 18:
My thoughts exactly. I cringed when she said that. The Repugs aren't colleagues interested in reaching across the aisle in a bipartisan manner for the betterment of the country; at this point in history, they're enemies of the republic. They love power and money and death but hate representative government. They are, as Jon Stewart's billboard proclaims, rich white oligarchs.
john j @ 10:
So what?! She recognized the job President Clinton did... would you be proud to be the wife of a man who brought such shame on himself by lying and having an affair? I wouldn't!
Meat @ 142:
And she recognized the job President Clinton did... she said the Democrats have done it before... and mentioned President Clinton, the camera panned to him and he beamed! Watch the video, folks... then make your disingenuous comments.
Hillary and Bill give me the creeps. Tonight should be even more surreal as Bill will be speaking in front of what looks like a roman temple.....all hail Caesar!!!!
liberalNmoderation @ 135:
Where did I lie ya fool? He's a windbag like BOR. When was the last time you saw Olbermann actually listen to the other side? And when I say other side I don't mean the repugs, I mean the people who arent far far far lleft like him. Heck, if he's even arguing with effing MATTHEWS you know he has problems.
Todd, Maddow, and Shuster. Show them 24/7.
[Are you Chris Gamble @ 124 GH? Please use the one handle for posting. Thanks-Sitemonitor]
dont remember who said it, maybe carville, but in 2004 the republican convention came up with a singlemost message of
BUSH IS STRONG AND KERRY IS WEAK.
a message that was simple and easy to understand.
the democrats need to do the same and it should be
MCCAIN IS FOUR MORE YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH.
all the obama surrogates, democratic pundits, consultants, strategists should make this the theme of whatever opinion they give. then they should have the itemized justification for this:
in foreign policy, it's iraq and warmongering. they should pick-up where kennedy on monday said that the troops should not be committed to a mistake, which is basically what john mccain is for.
in the economy, compare what a person earning 50K would experience under a president obama and under a mccain presidency.
dems should be prepared and should NOT shy away from TALKING OVER when interrupted by the rude republicans.
there should also be a common narrative next week against what the republicans will be saying in their convention and many democrats should speak up. what the democrats could use is that the republicans are "OUT OF TOUCH" and if i could i would say they are "SELFISH". they do not want healthcare and education for all. they just want it for themselves.
with the clinton narrative hogging the media limelight. the message is getting lost and democrats should refocus. when asked, these dems should not discuss the perceived clinton problem at length. say that you respect these supporters and hope they come around BUT that the important thing is that everybody realize that MCCAIN IS FOUR MORE YEARS OF DUBYA.
Chris Gamble @ 124:
Yeah, well that's your opinion... here's mine: STFU!
BigIslandDave @ 143:
agree. nice wont bring the dems the white house.
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