Congratulations to Bristol Palin! A woman's right to choose
By John Amato Sunday Aug 31, 2008 5:13pmThis is nice to see.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents," Sarah and Todd Palin said in the brief statement.
It's a great day when The Palins and McCains both agree that women do have the right to choose. Here's the McCain camp:
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.
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So much for abstinence education.
All of a sudden, rightwingers and McCain supporters now think unwed teen pregnancies are a good thing.
In the old days they'd bring a shotgun to the wedding. Sarah's bringing an AK-47.
ummm - according to her own beliefs - her daughter never had a choice.
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Could you imagine if a Obama had a teenage daughter and she had an out of wedlock baby?
The Rovians would have had a field day with that one but....
IOKIYAR!
I just heard Bill Bennett belch on CNN that Sarah Palin's choice to go ahead with the pregnancy and delivery of her autistic son "a courageous one". But is it? Is she not Pro-Life? Pro-Choice is for people who are Pro-Choice, correct? Why is she being given credit over and over again for a decision which her beliefs not only dictated but demanded? A courageous choice was instead an automatic one. I'm just sayin'...
Ruthless People @ 6:
...make that IOKIYAWR.
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Have you all forgotten Limbaugh's mantra, REPUBLICAN children are off limits to criticism, Dems are fair game like his insult to Chelsea. Let the double standards begin.
Friggin' conservative trailer trash, worse kinda trash there is.
Re the title - I think in Republican terms "a woman's right to choose" would be interpreted as (a) having the baby and raising it yourself or (b) having the baby and putting it up for adoption.
She was under the age of consent, so it is illegal to have sex. Isn't that the law? Aren't some kids in jail for doing such????
[The age of consent is 16 in Alaska-Sitemonitor]
Don't interject Abortion into this campaign. Abortion is a wedge issue that CANNOT HELP OBAMA WIN THIS ELECTION. One thing the Dems have done in their recent congressional success is to saty away from abortion. It's time to let it go until it becomes illegal again. Then the GOP will have made it an issue again.
sadja @ 4:
Well, as I see it her daughter did have a choice...a blow job or intercourse, and
she made the decision to do the latter.
Umm I think you are a bit wrong on stating that Bristol had a choice. Lets take a look at Sarah's stance on the matter:
So you see it was Gov Palin that chose life, not her daughter. And no matter what the GOP spinsters tell you teenage pregnancy is a bad thing, and reflects poorly on the parents of both the boy and the girl.
Um, isn't it quite a coincidence that this was revealed during a major hurricane. Quick! Look over there!
When do we get to see this beau of Bristol's?
First, minor grammar point...it's Palins and McCains...no apostrophes.
Second, Marge said:
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No, abortion was not nationally legal in 1961 when Obama was born....she didn't have a choice. And she did marry his father.
The point is not that Bristol Palin is pregnant. The point is that her mother supports abstinence-only education which fails miserably, as her daughter's pregnancy demonstrates. So, now, were Palin to become the VP, she could dictate policy which obviously doesn't work but would affect millions of teenagers in our country, and she is too stubborn to admit it fails.
Rob M @ 10:
On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/1995/05/ivins.html
My theory:
Bristol Palin is not pregnent. She is still chubby from her first baby Trig.
Bristol is the mother of Trig, kept it secret by being out of school for several months with a coverup story of "mono".
Governor Palin orchestrated a elaborate ruse to make it appear she was pregnant, even wearing a pregnancy suit the last month. Staffers were shocked when she announced her pregnancy.
Bristol went into labor and sent Mom the message, Gov. Palin was in Tex at an oil conference at the time and flew home , while she was in labor, which is very unusual, especially with a high risk pregnancy.(give me a break a mother of a down syndrome baby would have never flown from alaska to texas in her last month of pregnancy.) Gov Palin got home in time to deceive us into thinking she gave birth to Trig, but in truth it was Bristol who gave birth to Trig.
Now to avoid the truth, they are saying Bristol is pregant now....I bet she is not and we will hear she had a miscarriage or something like that. If she does have the baby, I apologize and wish them well, but if not I will never trust Palin. I will not vote for her either way, this proves her lack of leadership skills.
This is exactly the scenario that makes sense to me. It explains giving a speech even though active labor has begun, and all the rest. Her convoluted deceptions give us a clear picture of how Sarah treats her family and us. I desperately hope misguided voters who believe Sarah would look after OUR interests stay home on election day.
Does anyone think Obama's response today was the correct one? I can't believe someone had the audacity to ask if his campaign was behind the spreading of the story. I'm glad he got pissed.
Dana Bash is a shameless hack for McCain.
I didn't believe Sarah Palin when she said she was a candidate for change, but DAMN!!!! In one short afternoon, at the very beginning of the RNC, she's got republican fundies and MSM reporters telling me that Bristol made the right CHOICE and that she deserves PRIVACY!!!!!
This is amazing. REPUBLICANS=PRO CHOICE AND PRO PRIVACY!!!! for Republican politicians daughters who get knocked up, anyway.
But still: REPUBLICANS PRO-CHOICE AND PRO-PRIVACY!!!! It is a great day.
I just posted this a few minutes ago on another C&L thread and I though maybe it would fit in this discussion, too. If you agree that this is a useful point for liberals, progressives, Obama supporters, those who love freedom, etc. - maybe you can post it on other sites including MSM bolgs. I’m not much into the technicalities of all that stuff, but I’m damned determined to be heard, before we get Bush III in the WH!!!!
“I was just watching the first few minutes of coverage of the Repug convention, so I didn’t have time to read all of the posts here yet; so if this has already been mentioned…..From what I can see, the republicans and all of their surrogate christian evangelicals and Faux news cretins (as well as the water carriers on CNN and some on MSNBC)
have provided copious video taped remarks relating to any future discussion about a womens rights, birth control, and abortion.
Without exception, their defense for the story about the “inconvenient pregnancy” of the Palins’ daughter has been that this is a “personal issue” or “a private family issue.” That the personal private matters of an American Family should not come under scrutiny by the press, the general public, or (I would presume) and religious or government entity!!!
The very logical extension to that argument is - they are absolutely right! NO one has the right to interfere with a private, personal decision about birth control, sex, pregnancy, or abortion.
That includes the evangelicals, the rightwing of the republican party or anyone else!!
I think they’ve just provided the Dems and all persons who believe in freedom of choice with the proof/fodder required to squelch the Repugs stupid assertions forever.!!”
Let's second that question about whether families would be off limits if Obama had a pregnant 17-year old daughter. EXCUSE ME!? WHERE IS THE "CHARACTER ISSUE" THIS ELECTION!? WHERE IS THE "FAMILY VALUES" THEME!? WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT ASKING THE REPUBS THIS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!? Oh, yeah, because if it were an issue ThIS year, it would have to me mentioned that the TOP of the ticket is a serial adulterer who, in the finest tradition of his Christian faith, cheated on his wheel-chair bound wife, alienated his children, and married his home-wrecking mistress. I'm tired of double-standards. If no one will argue that the rebublicans would go ape-sh*t over this were things reversed, why is it off-limits to democrats!?
'Sorry, Obama, I'm not on your campaign staff, and you can't fire me. I know you don't want the political damage of even being associated with the discussion of a scandal like this, but someone's got to say this stuff.
PorridgeGun @ 22:
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Dana Bash was the one running around saying that Briston made the right CHOICE!!!! Bristol got a CHOICE, and Dana Bash was happy about it.
Hoisted on her own petards.
I really feel sorry for the daughter since now she is being used as a national policital tool. Having your 17 year old daughter be preggers is a cry of attention from the daughter Palin and her husband should listen to this and do the christen thing help her daughter by resigning.
Also the Nat Enquier is going to eat this up.
Remember the Christain right's motto, " you don't have to drink and smoke to have a good time."
Aaaawwww. This is sooooo very sweet.
We can help her CHOOSE her baby's name here:
http://impalin.com/
A place like this is a place where
like-minded individuals can come to talk.
A great sort of place.
But it leads to no action.
I asked my husband how we got from George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson to Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin.
His answer: non-selective breeding.
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Mrs Palin was selected for her ability to distract! Mr McCain is going to look as the maverick again. This should be about issues NOT persona! Do not grant him his wish. Go back to what matters.
Edwin Hussein @ 13:
I believe the age of consent in Alaska is 16.
ahh, Alex Castellanos is spinning that he's never seen anything like this election season, making it sound like it's all part of the silly seaon.
Nice try, dipshit.
SARAH PALIN IN A BIKINI WITH A GUN
A PICTURE SAYS A THOUSAND WORDS!!!
http://reportell.com/index.php?Itemid=59
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SHE NOT A REAL WOMAN!
http://reportell.com/index.php?view=article&catid=35%3Apolitics&id=122&o...
Left&Left @ 359:
Republicans never take responsibility for their misdeeds, L&L. That's one of the things that separates them from adults.
Fellow Democrats and Obama supporters, let us not get caught up in the heat of these stupid comments by people trying to create issues where there are none. The Republicans know they cannot win this election and will do anything to take us off our course and goal of assuring that Obama becomes the 44th President of the United States of America. So forget their smears and lies, which are not true. We need to go out there and campaign for our candidate. Convert those independents and undecided voters and get them on to Obama's tickets. We don't need to waste our time responding to this rubbish - our time should be spent on the campaign trail. A lot of bloggers and people making comments are just pretending to be Democrats or PUMA supporters or even Republicans who are just working to incite and create issues and friction. Obama has shown us how to handle these issues - with calm and dignity. Come On Dems, don't get caught up in this BS.
YES WE CAN!
affielover @ 33:
Agreed... but it doesn't seem to have worked!
casper46 @ 18:
Levi Fox
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/020805/spo_20050208024.shtml
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/
I'm really more concerned about all the SaraGates & abuse of power firings from when she was mayor (almost recalled) to the trooper-gate. There is a story out there where her husband had a state employee fired because he was dating the ex of a friend of his.
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and yet, STILL no mention of the gestapo tactis being used to pre-empt politically dissent and free speech at the RNC.
You guys are freaking nuts. This has nothing to do with Palin's ability as VP. The daughter is to be praised in NOT having an abortion. I'm pro-life all the way, but an Obama supporter all the way (despite his wimpy response on abortion at the Saddleback forum), crap, lay off a teen-age woman that's pregnant, and instead of dumping on her, praise her and the family for standing together during this difficult time.
VietVet8666 @ 30:
So, why are you posting here!!!?????
Not totally on the subject but... I just returned from the 'Labor Day Special' at a local restaurant and overheard a customer telling his elderly mother that Obama was a Muslim & therefore hates America like the Muslims who rammed the twin towers. There is a lot of ignorance still alive in this country.
Amitola @ 24:
Exactly!! Irony is lost on these people.
Everytime abortion/rtl comes up in the campaign or debates, Obama/Biden should remind Americans that this is a very private matter, and should be left to the parties involved. The rest of us have NO BUSINESS in it!!
But the Palins and Dobsons of this world won't get it because Irony Is Lost on These People.
I daresay the "choice" wouldn't have been praised if Bristol Palin had opted for abortion, so I doubt that her mother could be placed in the pro-choice camp..
SO, her daughter gets to decide to have the baby, a decision her mother would deny to every other woman. Hmmmm. And, three years ago she said she would not permit her child to have an abortion even if her then 14 year old daughter had been raped. But, it sounds like when the rubber (no pun intended) meets the road, having the baby was still a decision.
Interesting.
This to me is why abortion is a class issue. Even people like Bush & McCain who say they want to prohibit abortion have said similar things when asked how they would deal with a child's hypothetical pregnancy: that it would be a private family decision. But, when it comes to everyone else, they'd make it a public government decision, leaving only those wealthy enough to get around the laws with the privilege to make a personal choice. F*kers.
Ok, so if the Palin's are supportive and happy and proud Christian loving, truth seeking good people.
" WHY THE LIES ABOUT IT EARLIER " ? !
material vessel @ 38:
Note to the black-suited police officers. Come get and secure this person. Out.
Could the McCain campaign people be any more out of touch? Nancy F***ner is spinning like crazy.
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casper46 @ 18:
As soon as Mr. Palin gets the shotgun from behind his back.
Amitola @ 40:
He must be one of those "Whiners" that McCain and Phil Gram keep talking about...
louder @ 39:
Right - you support Obama and choice. Right......
Just leave her alone.
Write all you like about Gov. Palin's positions, and why they are wrong. But leave her daughter out of it.
Don't make light of ironic wording in statements. Don't pontificate on hypocrisy or failed policies. Don't use a child as a cudgel against a parent, a candidate or a party.
Just stop.
You've already got a thread that reports the facts of the announcement. Let that stand. Stop the taunting, stop the jeering, and think about how difficult your transition into adulthood was without having to do it in front of cameras. Shut down this thread. We should be better than this.
Leave her alone.
I don't really care if Palin's daughter is pregnant as it's none of my business.
I wish the media would dig deeper into the ongoing investigation into Palin's abuse of power. That is important considering how much VP Cheney and Bush abused their power.
The best 'Abstinence-Only' motivational poster I've seen:
http://goodshit.phlap.net/abonly.html
Post it on the front door of every church and right-wing organization you can find.
GEE, maybe one of the other Palin kids is GAY...wonder if they'd get the "right to choose" that? (not that it is a choice)...the hyprocisy of REPUGS abounds and never surprises! Course the evangelicals LOVE this woman...wonder how they feel about the husband who does "home duties"...such a conservative thing...
Children of candidates are off limits but I remember what Rush Limpnuts said after Bill Clinton was elected: "There was going to be a new dog in the White House, her name is Chelsea!"
IOKIYAR.
8 to 80 bilnd crippled or crazy nothing disqualifies a member of the Grand Old Hypocrites party.
It's the tripple standard!
Not our business, gang.
Palin's credentials - our business. Palin's policies - our business. Palin's corruption? Our business. Palin's contacts with the Alaskan Independence Party? Our business. Palin's theocratic policy preferences? Our business.
Her daughter's uterus? Not our business. Not remotely.
I feel like a voice cranking loudly in the desert on this.
Amitola @ 51:
I do, I just can't sit by and let this country be run by Republicans. You might not believe this, put it is a painful choice that people like me have to make. We are against abortion, we want them to decrease, but I'm sick of seeing Bush, and the Evangelical Right run this country into the ground. Just my opinion, but I think there's a lot more of us than you can imagine in this predicament. Go ahead, make fun of me, but this is how I feel.
PorridgeGun @ 22:
1) His response was the correct one from the politician and its political campaign.
2) Heeding it for the national media and for people who support him would be a horrible mistake. This is politics, the goal is to get your person elected, and the easiest way to do that is to get mud all over them - just look at how Turd Blossom has handled the last 8 years.
The Pollster @ 42:
But, if we keep repeating this meme - that the Repugs themselves are on tape repeating - it might have an impact.
Seriously, I think this could be very helpful to actually getting rid of this evangelical crap. As I said at #24, I don't know where to post this so it can get into the mainstream - so anyone who does - please do so ---- SOON!!!! and OFTEN!
Bruce @ 58:
and your uterus (if you have one) is none of theirs. That's the point.
louder @ 39:
It's nuts because YOU say? It's nuts because of the story changing before our eyes? It's nuts that this story breaks the weekend a rumor (with substantial evidence) goes around that Trig ISN'T Sarah's child? It's nuts because if that rumor is true, then the Palin camp, the McGaffe camp, and even Laura Bush is being dragged into and confirming and assisting in the cover-up of lie upon lie? This story doesn't have anything to do with her credentials to be vice president? Credentials which are non-existent in the first place.
Doggiebobo @ 15:
Hahaha good one
Bruce @ 58:
It is our busniess because Palin and her supports want to get rid of all birth control methods not just aboration and they say not have sex till marriage education works this just proves it does not
Ruthless People @ 62:
.i mean "if" you had one. Sorry Bruce!
RIP, McCain's presidential chances.
mudkitty @ 2:
CNN just interviewed on of the AK delegation leaders, he said, it was all about showing this little girl unconditional "love."
IOKIYAR
It's not OUR business because that's what the manistream media and Obama says? Did the idiots just think of that themselves...ALL at once? Hahahahaha!
Yes.
Vote Dem because Dem is better.
Pick, for example, LBJ. He helped cover up the JFK assassination.
I know. That doesn't matter. It happened so long ago.
Just vote for Obama and Biden. All will be fine.
Makes you wonder if Trig is really WillowPalin's baby instead.
James Parson @ 65:
Correct. This is what ABSOLUTELY makes it our business. Just like when anti-gay Republicans are outed. That's our business too. Outing family values hypocrites should be our business and part of the plan.
It's the hypocracy, stupid.
The whole "Bristol is pregnant" story ONLY broke AFTER the rumor surfaced that Sarah Palin is NOT Trig's mommy. Coincidence?
Bull shit.
Strawberries @ 71:
my head hurts.
All the Nat Enquire will find the name of the father
Another great move by Grandpa, the maverick to common sense, by selecting Palin. I believe this pregnant daughter story further exposes Republican hypocrisy(just imagine what the Repukes would do with this if it were Michelle Obama's daughter). But I think the alleged attempt by Palin to fire her ex-brother in law, the state trooper, which speaks in volumes about her character, is a much larger story. The fact that Palin has hired an attorney in this matter is a red flag.
a woman's right to choose-- put perfectly-- let's hope we can keep that right for her children as well--
It just kills me that CNN just lets McCain consultants get on the air and blab on forever with very little or any Democratic rebuttals. I used to find it very puzzling that after the last eight years people could even consider voting Republican, the difference in the way the media treats Obama and McCain is just insane.
Now that the Jesus Freaks are in the mix, this is gonna be a street fight. One thing that I have never understood about these people is where they draw the line. Like, it's not O.K. for Bill to marry Joe, but for a small group of rich elites to close down factories and decimate entire communities is somehow alright.
We do not do god in politics. Crazy Europeans say. Or are they?
John McCain votes against the Bush tax cuts as immoral and fiscally irresponsible. Candidate McCain is all for those same tax cuts now. Sara Palin, as Mayor of Wasilla, incompetently rammed through a huge sports complex that left her 6,000 person town $20M in debt ($3,333 per man, woman and child). Imagine what our nation's finances will be if these two bamboozle folks into electing them in November? A ticket with fiscal experience you can count on!
Is there anyone in the GOP that still believes in fiscally responsibility or have they all been driven out or underground?
louder @ 39:
You guys are freaking nuts. This has nothing to do with Palin’s ability as VP. The daughter is to be praised in NOT having an abortion. I’m pro-life all the way, but an Obama supporter all the way (despite his wimpy response on abortion at the Saddleback forum), crap, lay off a teen-age woman that’s pregnant, and instead of dumping on her, praise her and the family for standing together during this difficult time.
Amitola @ 51 Says: Right - you support Obama and choice. Right……
You're joking right Amitola?
Do you know how many Republicans are Pro-Life but voting Obama just because of the War?
It's funny how people on both sides can be so full of themselves that they think everyone on each side only thinks one way.
Bristol is a "maverick" too! Let's all be mavericks!
I've said this in earlier threads, but here's my prediction: Sarah Palin’s family will very soon develop something that will allovasudden require her full-time presence back in AK, and she will withdraw (I hope she kicks and screams during her removal!). :) McCain('s puupetmasters) will then pick someone (anyone) with more credibility behind him/her. If that fails to happen, his candidacy is doomed. What kind of decision-making capability is it that would put such an untested neophyte a heartbeat (in an old 4-time-cancer-visited bod) away from the Presidency?
In other words, Sarah Palin is (more-or-less) equivalent to Harriet Miers, with a little Monica Goodling thrown in for piquancy.
Remember folx, we are still within the Labor Day political hiatus, and before whatever passes for the Republican Convention. When the world comes back tomorrow, there will be a much larger collective gasp of “What the FUCK does that EEEDIOTT think he’s doing? This cannot stand.”
I know my views are not unique but that’s the way it seems to me, too.
Did Bristol make the choice which will be with her throughout her life, or is it her parents' political decision? I know where my vote is.
mudkitty @ 2:
Teen pregnancies ARE a good thing. They go along way toward proving you don't have the gay! ;-)
brando @ 7:
The child has Down Syndrome. There is no way to know if he is autistic. That develops overtime and isn't usually recognizable until after 18 months to 3 years.
If Bennett actually used the term autistic, then he hasn't even familiarized himself with the story.
This is a plus. As Mark Steyn points out in his recent best seller, America Alone, if our western civilization is demographically to survive in the increasingly “hostile to the west” islamic world — and not end up like the sinking European populations — these are the precise people (the Bristol Palins’) we should thank for increasing their progeny.
Yeah John, she got to choose alright..
Whether it would be a double barrel or a pump
Wait a minute.
Doesn't anyone care that Palin FAKED A PREGNANCY? That she allowed the belief that she had a baby April 18th? That she allowed everyone to think she was a new mother (claiming parenthood and nobility she didn't possess at a National Event?) and not a grandmother? That she wore loose clothing and gained a little weight (couldn't hide that back fat giveaway) .That she told a string of lies right up until today?
They skipped that part and went right into right to life hoo-ha? She's a cheap skank who doesn't possess the intelligence to put forth a decent lie!
If Chelsea Clinton was pregnant & un-married
at 17 the right wing family values folks would
have had a field day, (Blah)
I am sorry but if she can't even get her own daughter to follow her lead and believe in her beliefs how could she ever possibly get the country to?
When I was young, the shame of being pregnant and unmarried was the norm. People like Palin would make you feel ashamed, now the climate is different. Have you noticed on Family Channel a hit series about a young pregnant teenager? It doesn't change the fact Palin herself believes in abstinace only programs. Funny how the Righties can tell you how to live your life and then be totally accepting of this. Looks like they can have it both ways. They can't.
Kathy in St. louis @ 87:
Yes, autism develops shortly after Innoculations are administered.
I no more believe that McCain actually knew this fact and chose Palin anyway than I believe these people would do a good job. Which means I don't believe it at all.
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Playing the Hurricane Card for all it's worth. Just a bit ago, CNN anchors were grilling a McSame campaign spokesmodel about when they'd be able to question Palin about serious issues like Troopergate. She begged off, citing their Concerned Humanitarian Focus on Gustav, and sighed in faux anguish...."and now there's this other storm..." (Hannah).
LOL.
Kathy in St. louis @ 94:
Exactly. It's just more evidence that they are a bunch of lying idiots. And more evidence that the mainstream media is a joke and simply do what they're told.
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louder @ 39:
Sorry, but it does. This implicates Sarah Palin's positions on education and health policy in this country. Despite evidence--including in her own home!--that relying on telling the kids "just say no to sex" does not work, she's a proponent of abstinence-only sex ed. It also implicates reproductive choice because the Palins' statement suggests their daughter had one that they would deny every other woman in this country.
I agree that no one should attack the daughter for any of this. She's a child. But, I'm also not going to cheer that a 17 year old is becoming a mother or be happy that she's marrying the baby daddy. She's 17 years old.
louder @ 59:
Let me be clear. I do not think that abortion should be use as Birth Control - and it should occur as infrequently as possible. I have accompanied a very close friend when she went to undergo an abortion, becaue the amn who impregnated her had previously promised marriage, but when she became pregnant - he left! She did not make the decision lightly - no woman does!!!
That is why we need to have health educators in schools teaching about anatomy, how the human reproductive system really functions, sex education and family issues.
Many say that is the purview of parents - that would be true, except that most of the Parents are friggin' ignorant!!
Abortion should be rare! People should have the information they need to make informed decisions and they should not be made to feel they will be damned by some
mythical entity if they do what they feel is moral.
We are individuals and we should all be allowed to make individual decisions about our life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - and not be constrained by blastocysts!
Scott @ 25:
YEH... WHAT SCOTT SAID! There is SOOOO many issues the Dems can use to turn the term "conservative" as "dirty" a word as the Repugs have done to "liberal"...and yet they don't!
If the Dems don't get down and dirty and lay it out the Repugs will steal another election. Don't ever under estimate the stupidity of the American people!
This Bristol Palin is 5 months pregnant and 17 years old.... could have been 16 when she got knocked up and nobody is looking into rape charges on the father. And Sarah is "happy" of Bristols "choice"... if her other daughter gets knocked up under age she'd be dancing in the steets.
Kathy in St. louis @ 87:
Oh, I'm sure Bennett will be right about the autism eventually, as soon as the little fellow gets his 23 "puppy shots" the drug companies now dictate (24 in TX for girls). Up from 8 shots by the age of two 20 years ago.
PorridgeGun @ 22:
it was mccains camp that accused the obama campaign of spreading the rumors
rumors that started months ago in alaska, and were picked up by bloggers...almost immediatly after the announcement
look, all i did was do a google search for sarah palin (i was looking for pics of her as an sportscaster and beauty queen...but instead came upon pics from an alaksan blog of her and the family....all dated with ages...that is where i first saw the pic of an obviously pregnant bristol, taken when palin was allegedly 7 months pregnant
i posted that pic here on friday night
then the ess hit the fan all over the nets as other people apparently can google too
then today, someone goes and posts a pic of palin from a distance, allegedly proving that she is 8 months pregnant....yet absolutely no weight gain in the face
but we are to believe that in one month, while her body gained at least 40 lbs, nothing went to her face....and that weight all dropped off 3 days after she gave birth
man...thats alot of water
and if palin was so overjoyed at the news of her daughters pregnancy and nuptuals...why not announce to the great people of alaska? i mean, they love her
why wait till you get on the national stage?
why is no one else asking these questions
is everyone just hyptotized by sarah's hawt ass, and amazed that at least 2 of her girls are perfect clones of her?
Great to listen to all the Republicans saying this is a private matter because these things happen all the time and a child's privacy should be respected in this "family matter." All well and good if the Party Platform and the VP candidate haven't so aggressively tried to force their public policy upon everyone else in a hypocritical way. The GOP platform plank on sexual abstinence: We renew our call for replacing “family planning” programs for teens with increased funding for abstinence education, which teaches abstinence until marriage as the responsible and expected standard of behavior. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception. Remember how the Clintons took all that heat over Chelsea attending a private school? So here's my legit questions for Palin (Dana Bash finally asked part of one of these just now on CNN--go Dana!):
1. Do you remain adament about never discussing nor allowing schools or other authorities to mention birth control methods in any context to children?
2. How do you justify continued support for programs that use taxpayer money to deny other people's children knowledge about or access to birth control and force them to "learn" that abstenance only is a viable and effective method to avoid pregnancy despite no scientific evidence to support such contentions?
3. Do you feel that parents have the primary or sole decision-making power over their pregnant minor children as to whether they must be allowed to abort or keep or give over to adoption as well as approve or disapprove of whether to wed the biological father or someone else to serve as the baby's father?
4. If your reponses continue to be the same as in your previous stances on the above questions about a minor's choices and information access, in what sense are the outcomes and decisions in any way the responsibility of the pregnant minor, and do you still believe that parents and other adults should attach "blame" and "shame" to the minor's activities.
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Hey Everyone,
You know what makes me the saddest. She's 17 right? I graduated at 17 and all I wanted to do was to be FREE, have a blast, and party.
Bristol will have to sport maternity clothes, go to pre-natal classes, then change diapers. I grew up in a family of eleven, yeah, go Irish............so I know of babies, toddlers, teens, and up.
The girls' road is much, much tougher to hoe in terms of the whole having the baby thing. It takes what should be the most amazing time of your life, and turns it into a lifelong responsibility. I had two sisters who had to do this, and I'm not judging this girl.
Fast forward to 2008 and the same sorry bullshit prevails. IF YOU HAVE A TEEN THAT IS SEXUALLY ACTIVE, FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTIVES.............WHO WANTS TO BE A PARENT AT 17???? WHO THE HELL WANT TO DIE OF AIDS?????
DAMN, IT'S SO SIMPLE.
Vic @ 12:
Would you say that again?
This poor girl is being raised by a woman who feels women who take the pill or insist on condoms are the same type of murders as Gacy, Gein, Speck, Manson, and women who would abort a baby.
Choice is severely limited with the pretentious Party of Godless Overreaching Pervs, who, though they're committing the greatest sinful atrocities, are always the first to throw stones inside their glass houses.
brando @ 7:
Since Sarah Palin is a No-Choice candidate, there was no choice involved.
louder @ 39:
You make me fucking laugh. Fear peddling people like you are the main reason the Republicans have pissed all over the Democrats for years on all issues. You're the kind of person who would make a burglar a fucking sandwich and a glass of milk. Let these lying assholes drown in their cesspool of bullshit while we try get the Country back. Like Obama said Thursday, "enough!".
If Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant at 17, the Right would have been howling: the Clintons are terrible parents, they put their own careers and ambition ahead of family, etc. Now, I don't think Dems should say such things about Palin--everyone has the right to be a less-than-perfect parent--but I do think we should continually bring up the failures of abstinence-only education. And continue to point out the hypocrisy of the Religious Right in this case.
Doggiebobo @ 15:
come on...girls are like boys...they love to orgasm
i have a friend who is a prof of sociology
she told me that the abstinence only programs are doomed to failure thanks to the human condition for contact and the fact that orgasms feel good
and unless bristol is linda lovelace, she doesnt have a clit in her throat
h/t Vernon Twinburger
alfie @ 91:
Well, if you grip someone by the back of the neck and force their head down you can make them drink.
You can get a country to follow your "beliefs" from the wrong end of an ak47.
I think that' s the kind of belief and encouragement Palin has in mind.
But you can't make anyone "not fuck".
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Sarah_Palin_Speaks_Out_Against_Detractors
LOLz!
"It’s a great day when The Palins and McCains both agree that women do have the right to choose"
You're twisting their words.
There no way that McCain or Palin 08 will ever openly admit they're pro-choice.
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Smitty @ 36:
Wow! Now I am intrigued about WHO really is the mother of this Trig. Thought it was just a vicious rumor, but not so sure right now.
BrokenArrow @ 105:
ya...but they aint catholic
come on...the nuns scared the shit out of you guys when it came to sex
sure, you would party...but touching a boy/girl, and it was 10 hail marys and you still were going to hell
me....im jewish
and while my parents taught me all about contraceptives, i had to live with that jewish guilt thing
so up to 3rd base was cool, but sex scared the crap out of me, as i kept hearing my moms voice
and god, i hated being a teen...getting a hard on at the drop of a hat is just no fun
Uh, oh. The wild-eyed zealots have arrived. Go to it.
I'm a little ignant of Alaskan abortion laws but would a 17 year old even be ALLOWED to "choose" whether or not to get an abortion? Did they ever pass that have to get your parents permission law there?
Question: If "life begins at conception," will McSame and Palin proffer legislation to establish and fund the FBCI (Federal Bureau of Coital Investigation)?
Get past the banal bumper sticker illogic.
http://bgladd.blogspot.com/2008/04/diploid-dave-et-al.html
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I seem to remember that Governor Palin wants to teach creationism is school and he thinking is teach both and let the kids decide.
I think this is also a great idea when it comes to sex education. Teach abstinence and teach safe sex, birth control and responsibility. Then let the kids decide.
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I have to agree that John Amato was wrong to bring up the issue of a woman's right to choose. This has nothing to do with that. I'm sorry to say that his post is going to provoke a backlash that will only distract from the real issues this brings up.
What it does have to do with is the issue of preaching abstinence instead of valid sex education. Liberals understand that situations like this happen even in the best of families. It's been proven that good sex education that includes contraception is the best method of preventing teen pregnancy. Abstinence only is an ideological position that is proven not to work.
crazytown @ 89:
see...but they are saying it wasnt faked
and the reason bristol looks pregnant in march, is because she got pregnant in april
i know, the math doesnt work
Here's a great perspective.
Obama's acceptance speech in Denver - 84,000 people.
Palin's Mayor of Podunk: 5,400 people.
Obama's speech has more than 15 times the population in attendance.
Obama's speech to a crowd in Germany - near 300,000.
Palin as Governor of Alaska: 320,000 people.
If the (R)etards want to get into an experience debate about how she's got all this experience, let's see how it holds up.
Oh, and one last thing - Obama lived in Indonesia. So that gives him foreign policy experience equal to, if not greater, than Palin's experience at knowing Russian politics by living in Alaska, does it not?
casper46 @ 18:
here at Myspace
visit here and click one of the themes (square pics), then check out 'friend 3'
most revealing
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 124:
Are you serious? Are they continuing to claim this is Sarah Palin's child??
Snowball @ 123:
john framed it that way, because that is how sarah and mccain framed it
that bristol had a "choice"
of course its about the fallacy of abstinence only education
of course its about parents not taking responsibility for their childrens actions
of course its about the fallacy of unwanted pregnancys being the fault of a liberal education system
we have know that for years
the states with the highest divorce rates and unwanted pregnancies are red states
but america doesnt listen
now they are seeing it happen live and on network tv
and the reason the rnc was suspended today had nothing to do with gustav, and everything to do with palin
so when will we hold the funeral for the republican party?
so did bristol get that awesome abstinence-only education?
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 125:
i knew she had a myspace
whahahahahahahahasha
i love the internet
teens are sooooo fucking stupid
Fil Hussein Oaks @ 29:
I was the second person supporting "TRAILER" - good for both genders, like other Palin spawn related to where it was conceived, if the child ever gets lost - whoever finds her/him will know the kid's name and where s/he lives, with ONE word.
I think it's great that the government didn't make this very personal decision for young Bristol. It's great to live in a free country, where people have the right to make their own choices!
JimboSlice @ 18:
He told the joke twice in a row, repeated slowly the second time, because he was so pleased by his self-perceived cleverness. I saw it, and I can't remember why, I wasn't a fan of his bullshitty show.
Doggiebobo @ 14:
She might have done both...
Let's pretend that Democrats were smart, rather than dominated by lawyers. Perhaps for the first time, Crooks and Liars would then get some insights from an economist on issues such as these. Then Democrats wouldn't appear like wimps and would even share a lot of humanistic values with (horrors!) the libertarians on the other side. So class, here goes (better strap down your brains first):
Morality and rights to choose and of the unborn are not relevant here to public policy because abortion cannot be outlawed! Pregnancy tests and confidential patient-doctor records means that the police and courts cannot prove you were ever pregnant. Morning after pills and RU pills allow risk of and early pregnancies, respectively, to be prevented/ended. And these pills can never be outlawed because they are too small and easily black marketed. Finally, most abortions are simple, outpatient clinic (legal or otherwise) procedures that can fly below the legal radar at costs a tiny fraction of the cost of carrying to term plus being stuck with an unwanted child.
Thus, Dems and Republicans are talking past each other and neither side addresses the issue: laws don't matter if they cannot be enforced. Anyway, we all know the religious right doesn't want to outlaw abortion because then they'd lose the issue, and the funds and followers they crave to achieve power and control.
Say Trig is Sarah Palin's baby. Instead of aborting a down syndrome child is it possible that she tried to miscarry? What else would explain her odd behavior after her water broke and contractions began? Unless she wasn't pregnant in the first place as many who witnessed the sudden condition began to suspect.
EconProf @ 131:
Love your sense of humility. Do enlighten us all.
Thank you McCain, ( and handlers ), for bringing, red neck drama, right wing trailer trash topics, and beauty pageant bimboizm to the forefront of the 2008 Presidential Campaign. God Bless all the beautiful people. By the way American troops and innocent civilians are still dying each day in two wars.
Prenatal testing indicated that the Palin's fifth child would have Down syndrome.
In her seventh month, Sarah Palin attended an energy conference in Dallas TX. Her water broke. She didn't go to a nearby hospital. She gave a thirty minute speech at the conference. Afterward, she still didn't go to a hospital. She instead hopped on a plane back to Alaska, arriving over twelve hours later...and then going to a hospital. Their Down syndrome baby was born prematurely.
Years ago, a friend of mine and his late-term pregnant wife went on vacation. They drove several hours to the coast. Her water broke. Instead of going to a nearby hospital, they drove back home, and then went to a hospital. The baby was still-born, having died sometime during the trip back. His wife was very upset. She blamed him. They divorced.
Sarah Palin's husband lamely stated that he didn't want their fifth child to be born in Texas.
But by delaying her going to a hospital after her water broke, they endangered both the baby and the mother.
Hmmmm, I just wonder.
After four healthy children, maybe the Palin's were hoping (and praying) that their totally irresponsible delay in getting to a hospital might cause a self-abortion, a miscarriage, of the fetus, which they already knew through prenatal testing was going to be born with Down Syndrome?
It may not have been intentional. It might have been subconscious.
But I would love to know what Sarah Palin and her husband talked about after her water broke in Dallas, at an energy conference far, far away from Alaska.
Amitola @ 35:
My sixteen year old dughter had a child. My mother(a righty) was aghast! Aghast I tell you! Now I'm curious what she thinks of Palin? Lord knows she never flat out called me a failure, but man, could I feel it. Now her God, McCain, picked a woman who puts career over her children and has ethical and family problems. Man, I love Karma!
I love nymphs. They're those little elves that run through the forest, right?
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