FNS: Davis Defends Palin's Massive Earmarks
By Nicole Belle Saturday Sep 06, 2008 1:00pm
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Maybe...just maybe...Chris Wallace had enough of McCain Campaign Manager Rick Davis's ridiculous spinning on Sarah Palin that he wasn't about to let Davis get away with the standard campaign glossing over of her "executive experience." Who knows, maybe Wallace is nursing a grudge for not being able to book Palin this Sunday and having to settle for the unctuous Davis. Whatever the reason, Wallace was uncharacteristically hard on Davis's attempt to bolster Palin's reputation for being a reformer.
But honestly, I think that all of this sturm und drang about Palin is EXACTLY what the McCain campaign wants. Suddenly the campaign has become all about Palin vs. Obama, shunting off McSame into the shadows, where he gets to spend less time trying to refute that his will be a third term of proven failed Bush policies.
Palin's aggressive stance in getting federal money is the same thing that every governor does (although as a Californian, who pay more taxes than we get back, the per capita federal funding makes me a little ill--think of how much better our infrastructure would be here in Cali, if we didn't have states like Alaska sucking us dry). I don't think that there should be that much focus on it other than to point out that Palin herself was named THREE TIMES by none other than McCain as a Pork Barrel Princess.
So doesn't this go more towards the poor and reckless judgment of McCain, who picked someone as a running mate that he personally has castigated in the past for her fiscal irresponsibility?
So are they trying to tell us that this kind of hypocrisy is acceptable?
transcripts below the fold
WALLACE: But aren't you vastly exaggerating her record as a reformer? Take a look: as Mayor of Wasilla, she hired a Washington lobbyist and got $27 million in earmarks. And in her less than two years as Governor, Alaska has asked for $589 million in pork barrel projects. Her record, as a reformer, particularly on the issues of earmarks, is far from clean.
DAVIS: Well, well, let's be clear about this. When she was Mayor of Wasilla, there were already people in place who were getting those grants from the federal government. And small towns do a lot of that kind of activity, because mayors...
WALLACE: She hired a Washington lobbyist [crosstalk-inaudible] close to invited senator...
DAVIS: ....She was already involved in that...
WALLACE: No, she did hire...she did hire a lobbyist...
DAVIS: ...And so, let me also point out these pork barrel projects that you talk about. These were not projects that she tried to get. These were projects that the Republican establishment in Alaska, who she campaigned against, and beat many times over, were the ones picking those grants up.
Let me remind you, she vetoed more bills. She cut back on more pork barrel spending in the state legislature than any previous governor. She converted that legislature into reform, because she passed ethics reforms and corruption reforms. She railed against the establishment in Alaska and was able to accomplish great things by passing a significant energy bill that allowed them to create a natural gas pipeline. These are all things that a true reformer is able to accomplish. So, you know, I don't disagree with the fact that these...there were...there were pork barrel projects coming to Alaska, but not from her. Within the state legislature she beat back those efforts.
WALLACE: Wait a minute, first of all...
DAVIS: She's not a federal...
WALLACE: As governor, Alaska, during her year and a half, two years as governor, Alaska continued to get more federal money for pork barrel projects per capita than any state in the country...
DAVIS: Yeah, that's Ted Stevens...that's Ted Stevens...
WALLACE: and, and...let me, it just works better if I get to ask the question.
DAVIS: Okay.
WALLACE: And she supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" and it was only after the federal government dropped it out and killed it - the Congress killed it - that she then opposed it and in fact, she still got the money for the approach, the ramp to the bridge to nowhere.
DAVIS: Congress didn't beat back the Bridge to Nowhere.
WALLACE: Yeah, but she accepted the money.
DAVIS: That funding...that funding was in the grant and she said, "I'm not spending that money." And what they did? They took a $500 million bridge and she turned it into a $2 million ferry. And that's what she did on her own, without any help from anybody else.
WALLACE: Well, actually, it was Congress that killed the money for the Bridge to Nowhere, but let me move on to something else.
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"But honestly, I think that all of this sturm und drang about Palin is EXACTLY what the McCain campaign wants. Suddenly the campaign has become all about Palin vs. Obama, shunting off McSame into the shadows, where he gets to spend less time trying to refute that his will be a third term of proven failed Bush policies."
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sorry, but as long as Palin isn't showing up to personally retort to these journalists' accusations and concerns, she's just as much in the shadows as McCain is.
we should continue to be relentless. scrutinize their families, scrutinize their policies, scrutinize their past... hold them to the fire!
When's the first annual book-burning fair?
I agree with you. Picking Palin was a desperate move. It took all the focus off of McCain and she is being used as a diversion: Look at her past instead of the issues of today and the future..
They even said publicly they want this campaign to be about their personalities instead of the issues..
You asked, "So doesn’t this go more towards the poor and reckless judgment of McCain, who picked someone as a running mate that he personally has castigated in the past for her fiscal irresponsibility?"
It goes precisely to that point, and that nobody in the MSM wants to talk about that point is truly frightening. McCain's impulsiveness and lack of sound judgement should be the main issues surrounding the selection of Palin. The Palin biography and family soap opera are simply sideshows.
The mighty, scary press corps
I'm not too confident in Chris Mathews. I still remember during the Democratic Convention how he over and over and over kept asking and pressing the "issue" women who supported Hillary.. It seems that it played right into McCain's pick for VP.
They framed the debate that the Democrats are divided. but in reality it's the Republicans who are divided. They even had Ron Paul hold his own, seperate convention. The Marine veteran who held up the sign during McCains speech, got in the event with a guest pass of a delegate of Ron Paul. But hav you heard that mentioned at all?
since when does fox go after a republican talking head? wow... this is refreshing! Kinda makes you wonder if there are not some cracks in the right wing base.
You have to wonder if people like this even care about the blatantly obvious hypocracy they are putting out. But then, they are talking to people who divorce themselves from reality to believe only what they want to believe. It's easy to deceive people who want to be deceived.
Facts like these underscore why they're only going to allow her in very tightly controlled press situations. I hope the press finds itself incredibly insulted and starts calling bull.
Didn't CBS once have a running tally of "# of days of the US hostages held in Iran"...? I'd love to see a "# of days the US press has not been allowed to interview Sarah Palin for an uninterrupted hour". If she's so qualified, she could handle it. And ONE hour is the ** very** least that the press should ask for. We'll see whether the US press has started to gain enough self-respect that they're going to refuse to be used like tools by the GOP again.
Of course the GOP is going to attach the press, the Dems, and 'lefty bloggers'.
So what?
The GOP are a bunch of weenies who can't govern anyway, and by Nov the economic news will be even worse. So who, other than their hard-core 'base', is really going to give a damn what they think, anyway?
If the economy were booming, they might get away with it.
But not now.
burnt @ 1:
Hannity says every day that we don't know anything about Obama. They have had 2 years trying to vilify him. Shouldn't the same standards apply to Palin?
McCain had the GOP nomination locked up before April. He had 5 months to vet a running mate who could in his own words, "step into the Presidency at a moment's notice." WTF was he doing during that time? I suppose that's how he would govern as well...like an idiot.
Ron @ 10:
Why?
Based on my calculations, 600 million passenger cars currently on the roads of the world (excluding trucks, I picked the size of Corolla), if parked next to each other, would cover exactly half of the continental US. Now, when all started together, imagine how much oil they’d need, not to mention the pollution that would kill probably most of the drivers in minutes. So let’s imagine we use sand underneath them, instead of oil to power them, digging instead of sipping. This puts us in a huge freakin’ hole after just a few weeks. With all the wind and solar energy, this just doesn’t seem right. Actually, it’s pretty scary and contrary to what McCain, Palin and the Republicans say, it CANNOT be good for the planet. Drill, baby, drill??!! It’s fuc***g insane!!
Lisa D @ 8:
These are people that only know the government that Ronnie Reagan labeled and Rush Limbo exploits. They only think of government as bad. What they don't think about is that BADLY managed government is bad ( such as those governments brought to us by Republican administrations since Reagan).
But. EFFECTIVE government, does it's job quietly and efficiently and goes on about it's business of
being effective.
Republicans excel at the horse race, but are so very bad at governing.
" I think that all of this sturm und drang about Palin is EXACTLY what the McCain campaign wants"
I absolutely agree
somebody said it earlier put Palin on a timer with a demand that she answer the questions the public has. there needs to be an ongoing pressure. i still palin is the weak link.
i would capitalize on the recognition the 'bridge to NoWhere' has with people....this can be a link to the economy and bush. this will continue the needed dem. rally and interest the independents.
Using state funds for a quick round trip to do some religious / political speaking at their church !?
Yes you are correct, it was Sarah Palin on June 8th 2008.
'oh how the money rolls in' folk song
Rico @ 11:
WcCain is a true son of Chimpy.
John Ridley over at the Huffington post has an excellent rundown of the difference between being Obama in the media and Palin in the media...
There are two complete volumes now with presumably more to come..
Check it out...
Volume 2 of John Ridley's Palinguage is here
thank for this...I am confused- so she is the Pork Barrel Princess- and yet- her own budget slashed State Programs for women, children and Special Children....( and yet last night I found a THIRD "Governor House" paid for her in her 2008 Budget, it is in my post today??)....So Why did he pick her- is his judgement totally shot? or he is he just being told what to do by the Powers that be ? cough....Rove and Dobson?
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 9:
When she comes out of hibernation in a couple of weeks, the press is going to be praising her with hallelujahs and state, "Oh my God, we were wrong, she does have an opinion on the issues." That will be the extent of their observation, and it won't go any further than any asking more than the most superficial questions. I have no faith that the corporate media is gong to do anything on behalf of the voters, they never have before and they won't in a couple of weeks.
Wow a two-fer; McCain skewered his running mate 3 times for being a pork barrel princess. The angles for the Obama/Biden team to attack this jewel are mind boggling. Actually it's a trifecta, they can go after Palin, McCain and the McCain/Palin combo. Shooting fish in barrels requires more skill.
McCain and Palin could be caught fornicating in front of her kids and the hard core will still vote for the freaks. However this sort of information WILL effect the rest of the voting constituency. Most people in this country are scared and angry. The program is not going the way they were told it would go.
Obama, Biden and their surrogates will take this sort of information and run with it. It's actually a little frightening to me just how much trouble the neocreeps are in. Cornered rats are very dangerous, resourceful and tend to not make rational choices. Keep your fingers crossed kids, the next 60 days are going to being interesting.
No, it's not about McCains poor judgement in picking Palin (Though it really should be), but now it's about how well Republicans run and manipulate campaigns...They are not interested in what's best for the nation, they want to win and continue driving through their anti-government ideology.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, in Palin, the wingnuts have found their "charming" new GW Bush, and far too many people in this country are eating that crap right up!!! Scary stuff!
Ron @ 10:
Hannity represents a willful ignorance that we should avoid, not adopt.
Kudos to Chris Wallace. Every now and then he has a good moment.
Oh, and, btw, didja all hear that McCain was a POW?
Earmarks that personally benefit me=worthwhile investment
Earmarks for others=porkbarrel waste
It's the Neocon way.
maxbaer (a replica only) @ 27:
Don't give him too much credit. They are trying to keep viewers.
lobbying to get money from the feds at the same time
receiving record royality payments from oil companies.
maybe i have this wrong getting money from federal
government and raising taxes on oil company profits.
listen to palin's speech (which takes her to obama's level according to some which is ridiculous)...she says energy...drill...energy oil. she will take us right back to what happened to carter....obama understands the transition we need to make we need to reduce fossil fuels and become more efficient.
But, but she's a cree-yist-yin and a rifle totin' babe and stuff...you could probably have a beer with her!
McKeating? Oh, it's not about McCain anymore; he's a maverick! Anyone who says different can't see the Forrestal for the sleaze!There are some issues I never hear about.. The major one is our national debt.. Nobody, NOBODY ever mentions it at all..
Hehe...
He used the words "sturm und drang".
ok, mercy, two rick davis post limit per day, that guy needs to be disposed of. jeezus! he is terrible!
it doesn't matter what we/ you say about Palin, she was baptized in the blood of christ and there for regardless of what she has done wrong she is forgiven and beyond reproach in the eyes of those nut bags that got together and met this past week in st paul.
Davis looks like, acts like and talks like a snake. If he ever wants credibility he needs to say something, anything, about McCain/Palin that is realistic, or honest!
Ricky the snake. Hissss.
Porky Palin sez... Thanks for the "Bridge to Nowhere" $uckers! And don't forget to kill 'n drill!
What a weird exchange. What would, Rick Davis, know about lobbyists? Another one down the MSM memory hole.
some info./palin past quotes about earmarks to nowhere
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html
Mick Angry Leftist Piobr @ 31:
That is a PR danger. If this persists as a "Palin vs Obama" referendum in the quite sizable low-information Dollar Daze voter world, well, she's a white "Christian", and he's a muslim, and her "executive experience" is "infinite" compared to his, and you Amurka Haters need to stop trying to tear her down. Biden who? MCain who? Are they running as well?
AndyZ @ 36:
Thanks for the money. We didn't build a bridge but we built a road to nowhere. Hey we had to spend it somewhere.
burnt @ 1:
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Absoutely - the ISSUES have to be pursued along the swamp-GOP-level of so many idiot compadres we have. Otherwise they'll be constantly enamored in this dangerous Alaskeen hillbilly. Yes, we can !
she is not shy at all about her true allegiance -see the well sized details otherwise not noticeable:
the timer in these Aussie vids/SLIDESHOWS shows the remaining time ('backwards')
Sarah Palin's FLAG-pin - WHAT country ?! You got it: ISRAEL.
Enjoy Rudy-scum UP close at ~ 2:32. The zoom really makes the difference.
In between the kooky Fla GOP-er in an alligator hat. The gator lunching on the Obama doll -GOP's SWAMP sense of humor on display.
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and, also here: Who is Sarah Palin?
flag-pin, guns, BLOOD on the Alaskeen snow ..in full glory
Audio slideshow: Dan Schnur, former communications director for John McCain says Sarah Palin is a risky choice.
@ 1:18 -- the Israeli FLAG-pin is back, w/diff outfit !
@ 0:41 if she gets focused on YOU, step aside !!! Watch out !
@ 0:35 you'll see WHY they call her 'caribou Barbie' - STRONG CONTENT !!! uuuuugh ...
Whitehouse @ 33:
must be a fan of Richard Wagner
Sorry Troopergate fans: there is evidence that Monegan's firing might have been because he issued Palin a warning for not using a car seat for her infant son, not because he wouldn't fire her brother in law. So there
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR200809...
If Sarah Palin were a Democrat, do you think the Repugs would be as praising and readily accepting of her as they are now and think she is the greatest thing to come along since stink on shit? She is another phoney "evangelistic" con artist holy roller taking the church and the people of Alaska for a ride and it's ok for with the Repugs who would accept a monkey to be the leader of our country as long as it has an (R) after it's name and will follow along the Repub nazi lock-step ways and take it all in and go along with whatever is fed to them without question while they themselves are getting the royal shaft and can't seem to quite realise just what is going on. Now she's ready and able to stick it to America now she has had some experience on how it's done. Oh you're in for REAL CHANGE if McSame and Palin get in. Just like Bush telling the whole counrty he will bring "dignity" back to the White House. My Butt!!
I as a Democrat wouldn't vote this tramp in for county dog catcher.
wallace still let davis lie with impunity
prior to her becoming mayor, the city was not getting 27 mil in federal grants....it was only after the skank gave stevens a hand job and he let her hire his lobbyests that the city started getting the grants
why didnt wallace ask davis about the debt she left wasilla in?
why didnt wallace note that she balanced off the 60 percent cut in property tax with the federal monies
why didnt wallace point out that the cuts came in the form of cutting necessary services....including those to seniors, who had to take to the streets to protest their not getting 120/month (this shamed the cold hearted bitch, so she ended up giving back the money, then took credit for it)
why didnt wallace note that wasilla is the meth capitol of alaska?
why didnt wallace note mccains speeches that specifically targeted wasilla when she was mayor? i really hope the dems use those words in future ads
rend @ 34:
nooo, its a youtube video of the RNC slapstick affair and a youtuber who green screened Obama onto the hugh video screen behind McCain.
Da GOP didnt learn, they used that Walter Reed picture with its nice green lawn... until it becomes an Obama change video :)
Well, the name is Crooks and Liars...and man this campaign is so full of them its amazing. I still believe that McCain knew all about the scandal surrounding his circus act of a running mate and is using it to run the clock. Everyone will sit around debating how useless she is and his cronies will recite the same scripted lines about executive experience and mavericks and bull dog with lipstick while completely ignoring everything that McCain has done and is currently doing!
Wake up people! The best thing the media could do is FORGET SARA PALIN!! She is a pointless distraction from the reality of this campaign. Stop looking at her and start looking at McSatan!
Their lies are getting too big; they'll have to start locking people up to get control now.
Bumper sticker:
MCCAIN YOU NEED A CHANGE!
classy people those RNC security suits, he is physically covering that women mouth with his hand, to stop her voice being heard.
that counts as physical assault in most civilized countries.
"WALLACE: and, and…let me, it just works better if I get to ask the question."
haha asshat!
"The governor shops at the Wal-Mart superstore off Parks Highway and drives the family Suburban herself. Under "business relationships" on a state disclosure form, she listed "family carpooling to youth basketball" because one of the parents is a lobbyist"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR200809...
rend @ 34:
naw. no way. too much emphasis on the christian right, the soccer moms, and this supposed upper tier of ethics that most Americans supposedly represent.
the facts just don't fit the claims. well over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and most of those have kids involved. in addition, there are a butt ton of single people having babies.
there are a lot of dads out there, who want to see their kids, but the "system" prevents it. they want to be involved in their kids' lives, and they have a ton of hurdles to jump over to avoid being called a "deadbeat". I'm one of those kinds of dads. I have dozens of friends that are those kinds of dads.
we work, we stay involved in our kids lives, we pay our own bills, and we pay our child support. and we still get a lot of hate and disdain from our "baby mamas" and from a vast assortment of caseworkers, cops, principals - we deal with a negative perception manifested by spiteful baby mamas, far too often.
its an unfair, and unbalanced reality of our country. and it doesn't just hurt our nation's single fathers. it hurts our kids.
Sarah Palin represents everything that goes incredibly wrong, with that scenario. she recklessy pursued her ex-brother-in-law, she pursued him out of spite from a messy divorce. she abused necessary public resources, for selfish personal gain.
if more smart journalists and bloggers illustrated this and articulated this..... the GOP would lose the single fathers' vote. the GOP is attempting to obtain the anti-abortion / extreme Christian right vote, they're attempting to lock this in. but by choosing this crazy, spiteful b**ch - the GOP could potentially lose the vote of a lot of left, right, and moderate/independent single fathers... and friends of single fathers.
but only if more people are unafraid to fight fire with fire, and attack Ms. Palin's personal life the way the neocons attack everyone else's personal lives.
Richard @ 47:
He will be retired within months by the GOP, if he gets the POTUS job.
She is the danger, and whoever she appoints as her VP.
BobbyG @ 39:
to me this is a very good point. i've brought it up several times maybe it's so obvious.
why not compare apples to apples...palin vs. biden
they don't want us to.......i know that's what your saying also we need to get it back there NOW before the debates....don't fxxking hinge everything on the debates that's a poor strategy.
i've asked this many times....if mccain as president can't continue/serve as early as march/09 and palin steps in as president.is it more risk than a obama presidency applying the same scenario? obama can't continue as of march/09 and biden steps in.
the pubic should be polled this question and it should be in the media....i'm starting to hear it more but not enough for my satisfaction. the mccain doesn't like this comparison or this question. i've listened very closely this is the one question they choke on.
she's NOT ready right now for questions and being ready to be a heartbeat away but she will be in a couple weeks.
Its bad when Chris Wallace is calling your Bullshit
Mike @ 43:
Same thing different way. Imagine firing someone for daring to enforce laws designed to enhance public safety. What a pathetic leadership example. Who is Mrs. Moosealini trying to imitate, Commodore Vanderbilt?
"Palin held her baby in her arms as the warden drove a short distance around the facility, said corrections director Joe Schmidt, who sat next to Palin. A few days later, the governor got a warning from her public safety commissioner that someone had complained that she did not strap Trig into a car seat for the ride. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR200809...
Abraham Jackemoff @ 42:
Wagner was well past the "sturm und drang". Those on the cutting edge in music would have been Haydn and, to some extent, Mozart. It became a mainstream compositional technique with Beethoven.
Yes, I am a hard-working aspiring elitist.
Abraham Jackemoff @ 42:
He was great on Melrose Place - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0905935/
Mike @ 43:
don't believe everything you read in teh washington post. other info i had seen on that subject indicated that she in fact did not get a warning but there was some public outcry over teh fact that she did not properly secure her child -- a la britney spears -- in a moving motor vehicle.
but if she in fact did get a warning for the failure, how does that justify firing monegan? that would be confirmation that she fired him for an inappropriate, personal reason and why the investigation into monegan's firing is justified.
Mike @ 52:
wapo does a very good job at the google, finding all the articles that the mccain campaign and others seemed to have missed
and todd is sure good at playing the "aw shucks" role...when he is the most involved first lady since nancy reagan
the woman has always used her kids as political props/cover....she is one devious bitch
Mike @ 58:
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, especially for public officials who are supposed to set an positive example of behavior for the public. The right thing to do here would have been to thank the guy for noting the violation and let it go at that. But no, she decided to take the petty and mean spirited approach of misusing her authority like some spoiled child and have the guy dismissed. What a pathetic leadership example.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 54:
Richard @ 47:
you might be correct but you could be mistaken. palin
is a weak link....if we don't attack her we are basically saying we accept her/policies/views.
although i understand what your getting at and others have said the same thing....this battle has two fronts mccain and palin. to me the issues are of most importance but i want to win. if anything it's important to weaken palin and bring her down a few thousand feet from the clouds she's in. if we don't challenge her she will gain self confidence and that is dangerous..she is an effective sociopath. the public has to understand this is a poor judgement call be mccain. when the cool
gift wrapping comes off this present people may NOT like their gift.
I used to use that excuse "it was like that before I got here" when I was younger and my mother never bought it. Nice try douche bag.
i suppose it also comes down to the meaning of "warning" -- was it an actual, legal warning, like you or i would get on the roadside, or was it a word of caution -- "by the way, people are making noise about you not having the kid in a car seat" -- to clue the governor in that she should be setting a good example to the people of alaska?
either way, if it had any influence on her decision to fire monegan, it's an inappropriate influence on that decision.
palin and bush, separated at birth? they both like to fire people who have offended them personally. in addition to firing monegan for not firing the evil wooten, bitney, a 30 year friend of palin, was fired because he was dating the ex-wife of a friend of todd palin (although in some places where this is reported they drop the "ex-" part, i guess to justify her actions somehow)
I never thought I'd see myself write these words, but it's time the network news acted more like Fox. Every day, they should devote 30 seconds to Palin, the number of days she's been kept from doing interviews, and one of the many issues that should be of concern to the American people, such as her propensity for banning books or taking the budget of a town of 7,000 and leaving it with a $20 million deficit.
At the same time, the Dems need to retake control of the agenda. Sarah Palin was a GOP banana in our tailpipe, and until we start steering interviews away from her and onto issues affecting the American people, our car is going to be stalled when it should be in fourth gear.
After the Republican Convention, I am finally convinced that they are sincerely running on the CHANGE theme. Senator Lie(be)r-man changes alliance to further his pro-Israel agenda, Sarah Cheney changes from a hockey mom to a party mouthpiece, and John McBush changes from a Bush-buddy to a true reformer immediately after earning the party nomination. Should I believe in McBush's past seven years voting record, or his new found direction in the past seven days?
Davis is slick and one of the fastest people with a lie I have ever seen. He puts Rove to shame, and I did not think that was possible.
rick davis is also speaking to his base managers/demographic leaders that spread this MANURE
to the grass roots/red public....
Like his comments this is NOT a campaign about issues
another angle on that is ...it's OK it's about personality
and character....why? because i say so... even i don't
believe it. this corrects the conscious of some who question themselves about the obvious weak issues with Palin and Mccain. this allows people to perceive they're correct and their culture club is correct.
Mick Angry Leftist Piobr @ 31:
Please, please, please let go of the Forestall trap. Anyone who has read my posts here knows that if there was any truth to this story I'd be off and running with it. The truth is that that a Zuni rocket ignited, launched and set off the inferno. McCain had nothing to do with it. This is the sort of misinformation that can be used against us.
"Forrestal arrived on Yankee Station on July 25 and immediately began combat operations, her aircraft flying 150 sorties during the next 4 days, without the loss of a single aircraft. At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5 fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch. The ensuing fire caused ordinance to explode and other rockets to ignite. Spread by the wind, the flames engulfed the aft end of the stricken ship turning the flight deck into a blazing inferno.. Berthing spaces immediately below the flight deck became death traps for fifty men, while other crewmen were blown overboard by the explosion."
That's what actually happened. Please spread the word and bury this damaging myth. We don't need to give them anything to use against us.
I do not understand why this woman is still standing. I would've thought she'd have "bowed out gracefully" by now. Do these cretins not watch the news and see all this crap coming about her ? And think that they can just barrel ahead, guns cocked, and castigate people who point out her many, many, many mishaps ? Oh wait...I guess they can, indeed.
Astoundingly, they are twisting and spinning this scrutiny into defining her as a "maverick", too. After all, look at everyone picking on poor ol' Sarah...must give her automatic underdog cred.
Sounds positively Rovian to me.
However, it's not working. People are seeing right through this. Obama in a landslide in Nov. !!
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 72:
Good job. We don't need to be the enemy we despise.
Phuz01 @ 68:
After what was done by all the mainstream news for getting support to invade Iraq, I won't trust them at all. Manufacturing Consent as Noam Chomsky put it best.. They're all corporate owned and influenced, who have their own agenda and making a profit is king to them.. This is why so many people are coming to this site and others to get their info now-a-days..
You know, I was actually impressed with Wallace in this interview and although I never thought that I would say it, I wish more of these so-called journalist will follow his lead on this. Sarah Palin could very well end up being president and I think that the voters should know more about her. The fact that the McCain campaign is hiding her from the media, to me, says an awful lot about her readiness and their confidence in this pick. She's going around and flat-out lying on the stump about the bridge and earmarks and she needs to be called out on it until she explains these claims HERSELF.
I know that politicians try to bend the truth or even sometimes just flat out lie to get elected, but if we cannot depend on the MSM to point out these discrepancies and people can just make things up without any repercussions then our country has worse days to come.
The McCain campaign is attempting to hoodwink the American people into believe that the good Governor is a reformer when she is anything but. And when the media does try to find out some things about her past so that the people can make a more informed decision in November, they cry foul about the "unfair treatment" that she is getting. Funny, it wasn't unfair when the MSM was ripping apart Obama.
idealistic in NM @ 73:
Think of News Corps media network.. They have channels in almost all media, TV, newpapers, radio, etc.. The people tho watch are indoctrinated. With the 24/7 indoctrination all the time.. It can be very hard for anybody to break away from it.
They are very good at what they do..
One of the friends of my family is a doctor. Extremely bright and intelligent, yet he listens to Rush and believes all he hears..
I myself am a veteran of the Army. I realized from day one in the military, you are indoctrinated and mentally conditioned. The same techniques that the military has perfected to condition the mind, has made it's way into our media.. This is no exageration either..
So are they trying to tell us that this kind of hypocrisy is acceptable?
Ummm, yeah.
Duh.
;>
slacker uprising trailer now on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJEtX9m2J8k
moore does it again
fun and enlightenment with google:
"what mccain has to do" http://www.google.com/search?q=what+mccain+has+to+do&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&a...
"what obama has to do" http://www.google.com/search?q=what+obama+has+to+do&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq...
oh dear.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 17:
I thought that was against the law in your country.......
oh wait unless it's the state sponsored religion?
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 79:
You can sign up to get the full movie as a free download starting for 3 weeks on September 23rd. Sign up through his website or slackeruprising.com.
I've loved this guy since "Roger & Me". Last night at church one of our 'reformed' republicans told me he absolutely hated the guy until he starting seeing through the political lies... now he can't get enough of his stuff. I loaned him a couple of Moore's books.
bmw 528 @ 63:
the strangest part of the wapo piece is this one
“She loves Alaska,” said Haylee Davison, who delivered a daughter the same day and watched her governor pace the hospital hallways to encourage labor. “She wanted her son to be born here, not Texas.”
but there is no record of a haylee davison giving birth during april of 2008 in wasilla
however, there is record of a haylee davison being born on april 18th
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/05/06/local_news/new_faces/doc...
again...what doctor would allow a high risk pregnancy to board a plane leaking amniotic fluid, when the risk of infection to both mother and child is so high?
the mystery continues
Gretchen the aspiring elitist @ 82:
ya...ive signed up
ive love mike...right on the cusp of the digital age
he should charge for the download tho...even a buck, cuz the bandwith costs are gonna kill him
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 17:
it was a school grad...i guess it would be part of her duties as governor
i dont have a prob with the state footing the cost
i dont even have a problem with her asking the students to pray for the pipline....really...cuz praying for economic benefits for people is a tenent of most religions
the only problem i have is her having students pray for the war...as this religious view does not fit with what christianity is supposed to be...but only with a very narrow evangelical view...and that is fucking dangerous
Hmmm....this almost makes me think Sarah Palin is a liar.
The WaPo is reporting that Palin will grant an interview to ABC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/07/AR200809...
It's been offered to Charlie Gibson--so you know it'll be softball.
New estimate for the U.S. debt...$9.6 trillion.
Long term estimate with promised spending...$53 trillion.
The greatest imperial collapse of all time is about to hit the U.S.A.
Maybe Mcsame should be elected.
Everyone loves to watch a train wreck.
Wow, someone at Faux News actually did the job of journalist! Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?
pissedcanuck @ 88:
Empires crumble, and this one isn't long for the world. For a while, I was thinking that Sarah Palin would likely lead to this occurring. Now I'm more of the mind that she's just symptomatic of what's likely to happen anyway.
Of course, we could still turn the ship around. I'm not sure, as a nation, we have the attention span, intelligence or interest, though. Guess we'll see in the next two months.
oh looky...now the book banning questions were "rhetorical"
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/07/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a...
can someone take a quick poll of america's mayors and find any of them who questioned librarians about censorship?
Why do you need Rick Davis to defend Sarah Palin's record. Can't she speak for herself? Or is it because the Republicans doesn't want a WOMAN to speak. If she can't defend herself on DAY ONE, then she can't be VP on DAY ONE!!!!!
Why won't one of these fools just say why are you lying?
Holy SHIT!!
If Chris Wallace aint buying your bullshit... Your used toilet tissue!
I know more about John McCain by looking at the people surrounding him.
Chris Wallace is an absolute disgrace as of a human being. IMO, he's the poster child for a pro-abortion campaign.
Is Chris Wallace looking for a real job? He was also the guy that shit on fox and Friend for bashing on Obama.
Davis is right. Palin should not be exposed to the media witch-hunt. Media has always played the part in picking and trashing the candidates that they like/dislike. McCain is going to change those rules from now on. Beware, Media, lol.
Did I hear correctly... Davis said she turned the 500mil bridge into a 2mil ferry? If that's correct then she/Alaska kept 25mil out of the 27mil provided for the approach road to the bridge that was never built.
paul @ 13:
I agree with your intention, but I should note that your math is wrong. The US is roughly 3.8 million square miles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). 3.8M mi^2 / 600M cars = 176K ft ^ 2 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3800000+mi+^+2+%2F+600000000+in+ft+^2&btnG=Search). Unless your car has a footprint of about 4 acres...
Even if we used a footprint of about 200 square feet (which would be a pretty big car), you would get only 4300 mi^2 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=600000000+*+200+ft+^+2+in+mi+^+2&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=), or significantly under the size of connecticut.
"Stammering Man-whore chokes on own vomitspin on Chris I've-temporarily-grown-a-set Wallace's FNX"
Ron @ 10:
oops, meant "FNS"
Hilarious reading a Californian complaining about Alaska "sucking dry" when California is sucking water out of every state they can reach and has been for decades. Sadly the problems in California are largely of their own doing: Prop 13, a sense of entitlement to other regions water and an economy over reliant upon underpaid illegal labour. The entire concept of "California Progressives" is reminiscent of the champagne socialists of the Labour Party in England or the NDP in Canada.
Eric @ 100:
The point is if Connecticut land was made of oil sands as Canadian Alberta is, 600 million drivers of the world could theoretically use it to power their cars for a couple of weeks, then Connecticut as we know it would be gone and so would Joe Lieberman ( more or less looking like this - http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel/post911/oilsands.jpg )
Errr...let me try again; that's what I get for trying to edit quotes.
This is to Ron @ 10:
I don’t get these people who are willing to accept Palin with no questions asked, yet she has been in the national spotlight for a little over 7 days. Yet Obama was introduced to America 4 years ago when he gave the keynote speech at the DNC, and has been scrutinized as a presidential candidate for a year and a half, and people are still saying “Gee, there are a lot of unanswered questions about him.”
You caught this very well in saying this is what McCain and company want, they want to take the light away from their miserable campaign and force the light upon a ghost. Sarah ain't gonna do anything but lay low and the media will hound and hound for what? Obama needs to stay on focus and keep the pressure on McCain and the last 8 years of a failed government that he fully supported at least 90% of the time. The war is not going well and the economy is in the tank and now we want to send a billion to Georgia, not the state but the country. We need to keep people reminded of this...
I'm amazed...these guys are good. This walking fart lobbyist can talk over even Chris Wallace. Can't anyone say, "Listen asshole, you will STFU now, or I will rip your lips off and pour hot sauce on the gaping wound. Get it? Shut up."
I know I'm intemperate. Sorry. NOT.
liar
wow, wallace was actually doing a decent job (an average job, let's say)....
this is all a ploy. they will let the media beat up on Palin, the pro-life, hockey mom with the pregnant daughter. then she will bow out with McCain defending her 'til the end. energize the right wing base and then pick a real VP canddiate that will appeal to independents.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 85:
Church event not school event, therefore religious
pissedcanuck @ 88:
tell you what, you move HERE, then we elect him...
how does that sound ;)
McWorse won't be exactly the same as the two Bush terms, for one thing with McWorse you get the crusty-pasty-old-white-guy who loves to send other people's children to die will be the President and the dim-whit who doesn't know what's going on will be the Vise President.
and that's a huge difference!
(ABC News via TPM):
"Rick Davis, campaign manager for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., just told Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace that McCain running mate Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."
I understand "respect," but "deference"?
This makes Palin out to be weak, as in a weak woman, hardly someone we want a heartbeat away from being president.
Oh, wait, this is exactly the same Republican ploy used over the past eight years, demanding respect of and deference to the criminally corrupt Bush/Cheney administration, with the Republicans in Congress (and a few Democrats) deferring everything to the most corrupt administration in American history.
I'm not ready for more of the same.
Palin can have my respect (though she has to earn it), but hardly my deference. Only a tyrant of some kind, or tyrant-wannabe, demands deference in which everyone must rollover and defer to the wishes and whims of some tyrant.
In other words, if Palin can't take the heat of some tough, but respectful questioning, then she should get out of the kitchen.
This makes me even more certain that I will vote for Obama and Biden in November.
Hey, Obama went into the Liar's Den on Faux News, going face-to-face toe-to-toe with the biggest, mangiest right-wing liar of them all, Bill O'Reilly, for Christ's sake.
bryancri @ 110:
don't let Wallace fool you, he was only doing what his masters told him
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 113:
No Way Buddy;
Even with the real estate market collapsing all around you, I wouldn't invest in your country for many years to come.
The big crash hasn't even hit you yet.
I'll stick my dough where the market is strong and the government gives a shit about people.
Screw North America...my money's going to Brazil.
Wait a second!! We're not narrow singled minded conservatives. We can do more than one thing at a time. It's called multi tasking. Palin says she is fighting against the status quo, which means she's attacking herself. Definition of conservative: status quo, opposed to change.
Indeed. There was a sick irony to all the talk about the "Bridge to No Where" during the Republican Convention few have mentioned: Minnesota actually had a bridge collapse — a true "Bridge to No Where" — and if we didn't have states like Alaska sucking us dry, perhaps that earmark money could have been spent on much needed infrastructure repairs, rather than sent to a state floating on oil. I apologize for seeming flippant and admit this connection is tenuous, but such can be the way with sick ironies.
cometczar @ 20: From 9/3/08
This whole Palin thing is starting to reek of a little smoke and mirrors. If we can saturate the media with enough Palin conversation we can turn the spotlight off of McCain’s gaffes and flip flops. Knowing that we can talk about tire inflation for two weeks, a little baby momma drama and trooper firings should surely fill two months of campaign scrutiny. I’m very confused and suspicious of this recent decision by the GOP. On the surface, it really seems so absurd that it raises a suspicious eye.
response from JO...on Liebermans glowing endorsement of Palin: “Let’s assume the best” for McCain’s health
Jesus, get it right, will ya? Palin did not fire a trooper! After she became governor she fired the man who would not fire the trooper! The trooper was dealt with, given 10 days of leave (reduced to 5) but she had a vendetta against the trooper, her ex brother-in-law, and took it out on the person who would not fire him.
This is abuse of power. Haven’t we had enough of that yet?
You perfectly exemplify the point I was making after the announcement...let the stooge go and remember the problem at hand...forget her...expose McCain. Bound by the myriad of distractions that is Palin we can obsess on this easily for a couple of months while McCain flys under the radar until the election. Keep McCain pressed and ignore her as insignificant as she was before her nomination. Call absurd, absurd and quit asking how absurd and get on to keeping on
I wonder if Palin has ties to the earmarks that were obtained to have taxpayers fund a bible college in Soldatna, AK. This "college" has no real college classes, it only preaches religion.
Story about a separation of church and state lawsuit filed to stop these earmarks:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/08/AR200505...
I think FOX realizes it's in their best interest to have McCain loose...
Think of the ratings if Obama gets in!!
Davis speaks with a Texas accent. And he resembles Karl Rove. I bet they are relatives. Brothers or cousins. Also, Davis could be using another sur name. This would not be unusual considering the things that go on in the republican party in Texas.
Wow. How sad is it that Chris Wallace is the first "journalist" that I've heard accurately frame the "Bridge to Nowhere" nonsense.
Congress killed the earmark, not her.
Now where's the "Bosnia sniper fire"-level media coverage of all of Palin's resume lies and exaggerations?
maxbaer (a replica only) @ 26:
Indeed..This is the third interview where I've seen him lean appropriately on (as opposed to 'to') the right - once before he has Rick Davis on, and also on the McCain interview about a week ago; On both occasions he performed quite credibly. Probably gonna get fired soon.
Sarah Palin reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from the 5th Harry Potter movie. Creepy.
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