Obama on 60 Minutes: "According to the McCain mythology, I guess the Iraq war started with the surge"
By SilentPatriot Sunday Sep 21, 2008 7:30am
In response to the attack ads being run by the McCain campaign and McCain-sympathetic 527 groups, Barack Obama reminds 60 Minutes' Steve Kroft that, contrary to the McCain mythology, the Iraq War didn't start in 2007 with the surge.
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Kroft: The McCain campaign, the last day or two, has been running nothing but ads talking about you and the surge…that you were opposed to the surge.
Obama: That's all they had to talk about. You notice that, according to the McCain mythology, I guess the Iraq war started with the surge. They seem to forget that there were five years before that where they got everything wrong, where they anticipated that we would be greeted as liberators. Where they said this would be easy. These are John McCain's quotes. That this would all pay for itself. Because the Iraqi oil revenues would more than cover it. The fact of the matter is that John McCain has been consistently wrong on Iraq. And now's the time for us to bring this to a close. Even the Iraqi prime minister and the Iraqi government recognize it's time to have a time frame. The Bush administration has talked about time horizons. And John McCain, moving forward, is the only one who stubbornly clings to reasons to stay in Iraq.
If you haven't read Barack Obama's prescient Iraq War protest speech, I highly suggest you familiarize yourself with it. Keep in mind while you're reading that this was delivered in 2002 when it was politically consequential to speak out against the invasion of Iraq, and when the CW was such that Iraq definitively had WMD and would be a cake walk. It's pretty amazing that a "naive State Senator" could have been so right while the Senate's foreign policy "expert" could be so wrong.
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It is not a war, it is an ILLEGAL occupation.
Well, at least the U.S. is finally being 'Greeted as Liberators' … By Wall St!
Right on you, Barack! This is the strategy he should have been using to respond to all this "Surge (TM)" BS since day one. The surge is just an after thought of the most malformed, hastily-planned, unethically conducted military action since Vietnam.
This is all part of the overall strategy of the McPalin campaign. It is comprised of the re-writing of history, the distortion of history, the disappearance of McCain's 26 years in D.C. into the a great political Black Hole, and a total reliance on the Rovian tactics of misdirection and disinformation. But the disaster that befell their campaign last week over their response to the financial crisis seems to have only served to highlight the overall emptiness and lack of substance which is the McCain/Palin campaign.
Ok, let's assume the surge was a huge success. It doesn't change the fact the Republican war was based on lies and 911, against a nation that did not attack us, so Halliburton could get no bid government contracts, go big oil could get into Iraq as we pay $4 at the pump, a war we the American taxpayer are paying for to the tune of a trillion dollars as our infrastructure crumbles, a Republican war that has cost over 4,000 American service member lives, the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman and children, a Republican war that has depleted our military making us less able to counter real threats thus making us less safe, a Republican war that has alienated our allies and emboldened our enemies.
To that end the whole Republican-Bush-McCain war has been a failure and based on lies. Period. People need to be held accountable for it.
All I want to know is - if McLame knows how to win this war, why are we still fighting it?
Can't wait until Obama confronts the lying old man on his so called "experience" bullshit. Grandpa's "experience" has simply allowed him to make one mistake after another.
Left&Left @ 7:
He has experience with getting shot down, crashing planes, being a POW, leaving a wife for younger richer women, the Keating 5, buying 8 houses, owning 13 cars and voting with Bush 90% of the time. Other than that, I don't see what else he brings to the table.
Ruthless People @ 8:
....oh, and experience finishing at the bottom of his Naval Academy class, being a deregulator, and a career politician.
I think that just about covers it.
Experience is when you learn from your mistakes, not repeat them.
Obama was right about the war and that's why I support him and have supported him. Had Hillary had the vision and courage to oppose the war as Obama did -- and when Obama did -- she'd be the nominee and he'd be her running mate.
But Obama did have one advantage over Hillary in that he wasn't dipped in the deep pool of bullshit being offered by President Cheney as hard intelligence. I think Hillary and other Dems reached a point where they just weren't sure where the lies ended and the truth began.
Mark @ 6:
Seems almost like McCain would rather let the war go on forever if it meant he could win an elections doesn't it. If he wanted to win a war even if it meant losing an election, he would clue bush in on his miracle plan to win.
Ruthless People @ 8:
Ain't that the truth.
I work with helping rehabilitate, finding employment and affordable housing for ex-cons here in Chicago. Many of these people have quite a bit of "experience" too.
And if you watch the rest of 60 minutes, you will see John McCain talking about making a case for premptive war with Iran.
It's a shame that Obama now parrots neoconartist talking points on foreign policy. On Iraq and the ethnic cleansing operation that the war party's useful blue and red team idiots here in the US refer to as "the surge." On Iran. On the racist, apartheid state of Israel. On Afghanistan. On Pakistan. On the War on a Noun. On Russia, Eastern Europe and Georgia's invasion of S. Ossetia. On the insane neoconartist plot to expand the NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization up to Russia's borders for the purpose of militarily encircling Russia.
Change You Can Pretend In!
Why the hell is McCain even still in this race? He's been wrong on everything and his first display of his decision making was choosing Palin as his running mate. From what we hear, he didn't even want to choose her but he allowed himself to be pressured into doing it. What does that say about his leadership ability? He folds under the least bit of pressure?
its true. the surge should have happened from the start (not that this should have started at all). but the republicans let the massacre of people go on for YEARS before the surge. and praise be the republicans?
I used to think McCain was the better of the evils he was running against, but I am dead wrong now. McCain is going to take us into another never-ending war with no goals, let alone reason.
pissed off patricia @ 12:
McClown ought to be arrested for withholding information vital to the security of the US.
Re: P.o.Pat @ 12
Hasn't McCain come out and said he knows how to capture Bin Laden too? Doesn't that mean that he's blackmailing America for the presidency?
"Vote for me, otherwise I won't tell you how to end this war and stop O
bsama Bin Laden."Self-serving a$$.
pissed off patricia @ 16:
I think about that every day.
Grandpa and his henchwoman LIE every day. They talk to us as if we're dumb as hell and don't read or research their bullshit. He acts as if his POW stay in Hanoi makes him fucking Nelson Mandella. If these two freaks lie every day before they take office, imagine what they will do with Presidential powers to protect them.
It's not so strange that Obama was right. Anybody who dared to think and speak, and remembered Vietnam would have come to the same conclusion. The problem is that very few dared to think, and fewer dared to speak.
What the fu*k would McCain talk about if he was forbidden to lie about Obama? To take it a step farther, what would McCain talk about if he was forbidden to lie about anything?
fiddlerbird @ 22:
Those who did speak out were called "traitors" and numerous other things. Those who supported this war/invasion were outright threatening to anyone who didn't.
pissed off patricia @ 16:
The sad thing is, if the Democratic candidate were named Barry O'Hara and have white skin, the polls would show him ahead of McPain 80-20. The key factor is that many prejudiced people out there, including older white Democrats, would rather vote AGAINST their own financial self-interest and common sense than vote for a black man. They just don't see that McPain is offering at least four more years of Bush and probably worse financial hardship, worse international standing, worse response to natural disasters, years of endless war and death with no definition of victory. They also can't see that having a black president would enable this country to start a real dialogue with the black community on solutions to its problems, which this country has never completely solved. They just can't stand the idea of a black man in the White House, however intelligent and gifted he might be, because it might mean a black person was better than they. And this they just can't accept.
The surge didn't work.
Asiren @ 20:
In answer to your questions about whether McCain is blackmailing America to win the presidency, sure looks like it to me. Of course McCain did tell us part of his plan. First he will chase him to the gates of hell. He just doesn't tell us where the chase begins.
Is anyone going to run a story about Obama changing his technology positions on his website?
http://versionista.com/diff/JAS9LMr5qU7q8BSroV8KzQ/
The guy voted for telecom immunity and FISA. Now he's changed his stance regarding things like Network Neutrality.
I knew this would happen. Obama is a politician, not a Messiah. But any time I tried pointing that out here, I got flamed as a Republican troll.
Have to agree with Anais. Does anyone remember the interview done with West Virginia voters during the primary. Can't seem to find it (but that's just me) anywhere, but it really showed the underling racism of the some voters. Something like "it's not that he is black, I just wouldn't vote for that kind" or something like that. I am sure it is like that in many cases, they were just more honest about it.
Before Obama starts WWIII with Pakistan, he ought to be pretty damn sure that al Quada is really resonsible for 9/11.
Does Obama want to end our age of fear or does he just want to move the war around to a new local?
26 What the?
If booshco are allowed to question the validity of peer reviewed, and strong evidence for evolution and global warming, what's to stop them from questioning the science of light signatures?
Restore the Constitution @ 30:
For the 50,000,000th time, Obama's not talking about invading f---ing Pakistan!
I watched this whole show. I loved the part with McCain strolling the grounds of whichever home it was in Arizona in his back yard with his private river and explaining how he hikes up a small hill to wax philosophical like Moses. I'm looking at this perfectly manicured lawn and gorgeous shade trees and thinking this is ONE of his homes.
In the interview, he looks visibly uncomfortable, like an elderly guy who's being told it's time to go to the assisted living facility for the first time. The guy is so visibly unprepared for even the most basic questions you can see him boiling underneath his skin barely able to contain himself. I watched it in HD and it was very telling.
After listening to Bush for the past 8 years, then McCain and now Palin, listening to Obama reminds me of what a real person, unencumbered by pretense should sound like. The guy is real, not a machination that cons are used to hearing from.
30 Restore the Constitution
First off it's Al Qaeda, secondly, Obama doesn't want to attack Pakistan, but reserves the right of unilateral response to attack the mountainous regions where it borders Afghanistan, where supposedly Osama Ben Laden is hiding out.
I don't like the idea either, but it's doubtful it would trigger a World War III, since Al Qaeda has lost some support in the region for the high number of civilian casualties in their attacks.
But an attack on the border would also create casualtiees and the sentiment that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Kind of like our rally around the flag effect.
If Hillary had won the nomination there would be some who wouldn't vote for her simply because she was female. As yet in this country we haven't found a cure for ignorance or bull headed-ness. There will, for a few more generations to come, be that sort of person in our country. They aren't going to think about anything but differences. They refuse to even glance at the big picture. As a country I see that as one of our biggest weaknesses.
It wasn't a "surge", it was an escalation.
Restore my brain cells@ 30:
Bullshit. Speaking of WWIII warmongering, isn't Grandpa the one who keeps taunting the Russians?
John @ 28:
Ok, as far as i understand it, Obama compromised on FISA and voted for it with retroactive telecom immunity included because things were at such a standstill. He also supported (voted for?) an amendment to the bill to remove said immunity. I remember hearing someone ask him about this and he said that he intends to get things done in Washington, which includes compromise. Unfortunately that means some things get passed that we don't like. But how else can things move forward?
On net neutrality, after going thru the link you posted, it seems to me that his stance hasn't changed at all, just that the site has elaborated on aspects of his position and simplified the verbiage on others.
jax @ 15:
Jax
Extremely well put. Crooks and Liars falls all over itself trying to pretend that Obama is an antiwar candidate while his bellicose rhetoric that you correctly cite above prove Obama to be anything but a man of peace. One can also add that while Obama may claim to be against the occupation of Iraq he has voted each and every time to continue funding the occupation in that country which he so fervently claims to be against. Obama's smooth talk and lofty oratory cannot disguise the fact that he is just as much of a warmonger as Bush and McCain.
Why isn't this news ?
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1953066020080919
Left&Left @ 37:
Conservatism cannot flourish for the select few without an enemy at home or abroad. Be it gays and dark people at home or the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Iraqis, French, Muslims, etc.... abroad. The Bedwetters must be frightened to polls to vote against there own best interests.
This is the argument I have been waiting for for ever! It could not have been better stated by Obama.
pissed off patricia @ 16:
You've got that right.
McCain is a weak-willed marshmallow of a man. I understand he went through a lot as a prisoner of war; but his crashing five US aircrafts, graduating at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, abandoning of his sick wife, voting on the side of the most corrupt and unpopular president in modern history... are all signs of person who has undergone a moral bankruptcy.
Somehow, I get the impression that while he was in that cell in Vietnam the spoiled, incompetent, son of an admiral decided that he would never give a damn about anything other than his own selfish interests.
That's probably why his are so freakish. He has no human empathy.
It's probably why McCain voted against searching for the remaining POWs when evidence was found that many were still alive.
What a guy.
It was painful watching McCain on 60 Minutes trying to take off his Republican suit with the zipper stuck.
Anais @ 25:
The truth is just as many people who will not vote for him because he is black WILL vote for him because he is black - it is a wash. Even Obama said this on 60 minutes. I think that this is an issue that the MSM likes to bring up because it helps keep the feeding frenzy alive - it is a non issue really.
But an attack on the border would also create
casualtiesand the sentiment that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.Need...more...coffee...can't...keep...up...
...Ellipseses
Erroll @ 39:
Obama is just as much a warmonger as our Murderer in Chief and that lying old fuck who agrees with him all the time? And how many people have been killed based on Obama's decisions? You are so full of FACTLESS SHIT!
POP@24:
At the beginning of the first Iraq War (Desert Storm) I was on the yellow ribbon bandwagon myself. I was just a dumb kid who heard the stories about how Vietnam troops were spat upon, etc etc and I assumed that our troops today didn't deserve that kind of treatment.
Now that I'm older (and hopefully a little wiser) I know that
a) we have an all-volunteer military so they knew full well what they were getting into, and
b) they're thugs who joined up with the military for the sole purpose of killing people. (Especially the ones who joined up so they could "fly 2000 miles to smoke a pack of camels.")
So: no yellow ribbons on my car thank-you-very-much. (Although I won't be so low-class as to spit on them.)
But an attack on the border would also create CASUALTIES and the sentiment that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Need..more...coffee...can't...keep...up...
...Ellipseses.
(Maybe what I need is Red Bull liberally laced with amphetamines.)
Ruthless People @ 9:
John @ 28:
Glad to see your fine tooth comb is working on key issues that affect America. I prefer the hay rake that exposes McCain for what he is...Bush again, disguised as a convenient Humanist. Who said Obama was a Messiah except for desperate Republicans, who hold the bar high for Obama and very low for McCain/Palin.
pissed off patricia @ 16:
Because he showed the moral conviction to leave his first wife for a younger, richer woman? Because his current wife stole from her own charity for drugs? Could you imagine if this were the case for the Obama's? The reichwing would be crucifying them and Obama would be down in the teens in the polls. Those goooood moral non-hypocritical Republicans stick to their moral compasses for one of their own don't they?
Or maybe it's because for political purposes he selected an underqualified deceitful Christian cultist type as a running mate? Those wingnuts will be speaking in tounges on there way to the polls on election day to vote for running our nation further into the ground while claiming how much they love Amurika.
John @ 28:
Okay, okay; Obama is brand X dogfood, McKeating is dog shit.
You gotta eat one or the other.
I'm eating with Rover.
You can choose to eat with the flies if you prefer.
Ruthless People @ 52:
48 displaced
A large percentage of our troops in Iraq are from National Guard units who signed up for a short training sessions, one weekend a month, and maybe helping out with controlling local forest fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, and Hannah Montana crowds.
Moonglum @ 40:
Because it's not ethnic cleansing when we or our surrogates do it; it's Demographic Alteration!
54 Ruthless People
Do those who speak in tongues, kiss in tongues?
>> "delivered in 2002 when it was politically consequential to speak out against the invasion"
He was a state senator looking to get noticed. Speaking out for him would have no serious negative consequences. No one pays attention to state senators on a national level.
>> "amazing that a 'naive State Senator' could have been so right"
Not that amazing. I had the same opinion at the time and I was even less politically connected.
Obama is very smart and thinks about the things he says, a rare quality. Let's not elevate him to sainthood. It may be that he was too focused on beating Hillary in the primary, because his current campaigning is a little lackluster.
If he loses to McCain C&L-ers will bear part of the responsibility. You better hope the Hope-meister wins.
ysbaddaden @ 57:
No! Fornication is evil! Killing the planet and wars is the Lords way.
Funny thing
The Rituale Romanum lists glossolalia
As one of the evidences for
Demonic possession.
Personally
I wouldn't mind seeing the Rituale Romanum
Placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.
McCain on 60 Minutes when asked if Slick Sarah the Talking Snake Slayer would be ready to step in as president: "Absolutely! Absolutely!"
Sounded like he was trying to convince himself more than he was trying to convince the American people.
The republicans have been wrong about everything from Dubya Bush to deregulation. They don't know the difference between a war and an illegal occupation. John McSame is one of the problems with Washington DC.
kasinca @ 62:
Oh they know. It's all part of the plan.
OK, the surge worked. Let's go home.
59 Ruthless People Says: ysbaddaden @ 57:
54 Ruthless People
Do those who speak in tongues, kiss in tongues?
No! Fornication is evil! Killing the planet and wars is the Lords way.
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Kind of like the Flood?
There were several earlier versions of the myth, but interestingly in the Babylonian version with Uta-Napishtim creating an ark after being warned by the storm god Enlil that he was sending a flood. After the flood Enlil's displeased mother Antu kept striking him with great lightenings and set up her rainbow to block his way to the alter where animal sacrifices were set up in Babylon. So essentially She spanked the God and sent him to bed without supper.
http://history-world.org/praise_to_ishtar.htm
#47-Left&Left
If possible, try responding more with your head than your heart. What you did not attempt to refute [because in all likelihood you cannot] are what Jax and myself said concerning Obama's foreign policy positions. Obama wishes not to withdraw but to ADD more troops to Afghanistan where they will undoubtedly contribute to the slaughter of more innocent Afghan children and civilians. Even after Obama's phased [as opposed to immediate] withdrawal plan has been completed in Iraq he advocates leaving a many as 100,000 troops in the region as well as 100,000 civilian contractors such as Blackwater in Iraq. I seriously doubt if an [alleged] antiwar candidate should be leaving troops in a country while claiming to be against that same occupation. That plan by Obama will hardly win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis just as redeploying troops from Iraq to Afghanistan will never understandably win the hearts and minds of the Afghans, as they see their fellow citizens being ripped apart and their guts splattered on the ground from 500 and 2000 lb. American bombs.
But it would appear that to people like you and Obama that scenario does not bother you too much. Having been in a combat zone and having stupidly contributed to the deaths of many innocent Vietnamese people, it bothers me a great deal that Obama is continuing the same militant rhetoric as Bush and McCain. One wonders if [alleged] progressives will ever finally realized that the policies of neoliberals like Obama end up slaughtering innocent people just as much as the neoconservative policies of Bush and McCain.
53 Mick Piobr
New Obama Campaign sticker
McCain: Do You Want Flies With That?
upchuckie_cheezits @ 58:
Only Repukes and trolls refer to Obama as "messiah", or suggest he's a "saint", or a "Hope-meister". People(who use their common sense) strongly believe Obama's simply the better candidate and your alternative bullshit isn't convincing anyone. And if Obama's current campaigning is "lackluster" why then is he bitch slapping your guy?
Erroll @ 66:
I not going to debate you two based on what you project (you must be a mystic) Obama will do all while you ignore all the facts that Pres. Murderer and his loyal elderly butt plug, Grandpa are indeed warmongers. It is too late in the game to give you "this elect is a coin toss" people the time of day.
Erroll @ 66:
Having been in combat in Vietnam I would like to ask you if you truly believe that McSame, the old many with cancer, yelling at the clouds, really understands what he is talking about? I would also like to ask you if you think that McSame will end the endless war his party needs to continue their have and have not philosophy.
John McSame is the problem. He has been in DC for twenty six years as a deregulator who says one thing but votes another. McSame is bad for this country. I am listening to McSame tell lies on MSNBC right now.
Yep, have fun in Afghanistan. It's an even worse situation than Iraq (as you will soon find out) which is why the Canadian military is leaving by 2011. Launching these attacks across the border into Pakistan is doing nothing other than killing innocent civilians and destabilizing and undermining the current government. I'm disappointed that it seems anyone running for President in the US needs to be a warmongering fear-merchant to placate your asinine population.
Watched the whole interview too, and while the above quote was very strong and needs to be repeated, what got my attention more was when Obama stopped Kroft when Kroft said that the surge reduced violence. Obama's response was the idea was an assumption and we aren't sure if the surge was really responsible for lowering violence rates and there were other factors. I've been waiting quite a long time for a national level politician to open up this idea that the surge was not the be-all end-all reason for the lowering of violence in Baghdad. Now that solid evidence of ethnic cleansing being a strong candidate for the lowered levels of violence, it was good to see on prime-time tv a major candidate refute the idea presented that the surge was the only show in town.
Erroll @ 66:
Your solution?
Vote for McKinney = McCain/Palin win and complete fascist SCOTUS
Vote for Nader = " " " " "
Vote any 3rd party = " " " "
Armed revolution.... I'm not a coward; I used to be a firefighter until it crippled me. I'm a pacifist.
You go ahead and start the Revolution. You are very brave.
Saskia @ 45:
It's a non-issue that millions of white Americans in red states will simply not vote for Obama because he's black? I think you're mistaken. The fact of the matter is that I suspect you have to add +5% points to the polls in McCain's favor for just this reason!
When some white voters are polled, they will say one thing; when they get in the voting booth on election day, their prejudices will prevail. Unfortunate, but true. Obama is CLEARLY the best qualified candidate and should be leading this race 75-25.
kasinca @ 70:
Kasinca
If I may say, you seem to be under the illusion that so many Americans and liberals have and that is assuming that if anyone dares to disagree with the great Obama then that automatically means that one supports McCain. It should be obvious that that belief is quite disingenuous. I have been excoriated on this site for pointing out that McCain status as a "war hero" is a falsehood because he rained down bombs on innocent civilians from thousands of feet on the air [which should have made him, as he himself stated, a war criminal] while the true heroes of that misbegotten adventure in Vietnam were the soldiers who participated in the GI movement back then, speaking out and saying that they were not going to take part in the illegal and immoral occupation of that country.
Of course McCain's statements are quite militaristic. But my point which you seem to be overlooking is that Obama positions, while not as overt as McCain, are more dangerous and insidious than McCain because they are disguised, as I attempted to point out, as neoliberal rhetoric. Obama claims to be an antiwar candidate but, as Jax correctly noted, his foreign policy positions prove those statements to be a lie. If Obama becomes president and he carries out the policies that he has promised to do, innocent children and civilians in Afghanistan and quite possibly in Pakistan and Iran, would be just as dead, unnecessarily and unjustifiably, as they would be if McCain became president.
Aaaah, truth....sweet truth.
I love the smell of truth in the morning, smell like......victory!
Obvious to anyone who watched 60 minutes, but it was still AMAZING to watch McPlain subtly slither and sidestep a direct and relevant response to the question put to him. And I have to admit a grudging admiration for his ability to do so..The seamless stringing together of narratives in his monologues was quite impressive and was probably very effective in inspiring confidence in those that lacked the intelligence to remember what the question was in the first place (and the 'mountaintop of wisdom' was just plain comedy gold).
And yes, Obama did provide actual relevant responses to the vast majority of his questions.
Why oh why doesn't anyone ever mention this to rebute McCain's constant claim that Obama has never gone against his party????? I heard the geezer say that AGAIN just this morning...
Maybe he should point out that according to new data, it appears that ethnic cleansing is the real reason for the success of the "surge." The Sh'ites forced the Sunnis out of Baghdad after al Qaeda blew up their holiest shrine.
Was it just me or did it seem like Kroft played softball with McCain and hardball with Obama? He took a skeptical, forceful tone with Obama that just wasn't there with McCain, and he followed up on Obama's answers while he let most of McCain's answers just lie there. He also forced Obama to talk a lot about specific policies and proposals, and repeated a lot of opposition talking points, but hardly touched on that with McCain - or allowed him to dodge. I'd have to watch it again to confirm all of that, but that sure was my feeling last night as I was watching.
Ruthless People @ 5:
The surge's reported success also doesn't change the fact that the American taxpayers continue to pay billions of dollars a month to fund this occupation. Enough is enough, St. McCain. It is time to leave Iraq and redeploy our troops to Afghanistan.
fred @ 77:
St. McCain has had 26 years to perfect his non-answers.
76 Darth Hater Says: Aaaah, truth….sweet truth.
I love the smell of truth in the morning, smell like……victory!
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Erroll @ 75:
No one i know calls Obama "great" or any such thing. And it is correct that he is a politician - imagine if Obama stated the opposite, the rebulicans would be blasting him for "weakness, and not grasping the seriousness of the situation". This whole shit is disturbing...we have the rebulicans making a "last grab" at the tax payers money and this is the argument you want to be having - WRITE YOUR REP AND SAY NO BLANK CHECK - fuck them and their "clean" bill bullshit!!!!!!!!!!
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Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 1:
Amen. I've been saying this since the day in 2003 that the "shock and awe" bombs began to fall on innocent men, women and children in Baghdad.
No actual "war," but plenty of war crimes.
Donkeys.....LOL @ 85:
Voting "liberal"? Sounds good to me. Sure beats the hell out of wretched, rotten CONservatism.
We DO have the right answers -- as opposed to you clueless reich-wingers.
displaced @ 48:
Yes, thank you. Those who join and serve deserve respect, support and appreciation, but not fawning adulation. I can't stand when our troops are used as political props or as a justification for stifling dissent. They have a very tough job and most do it well, but there are a-holes wearing our uniform, too.
J.C. @ 80:
Donkeys.....LOL @ 85:
Hilarious!!! It took a second reading to see the irony, but you nailed it!!!
J.C. @ 80:
Very true. But more to Obama's credit, he responded very well to the questions and I think went a long way, if not all the way, to responding to the 'lack of specifics' issue.
Donkeys.....LOL @ 85:
Well, it beats backing a doddering old fool who has consistently proven he has no clue about foreign policy or economics and who cares so little about this country that he brought in Caribou Barbie as his running mate (when he is 72 yrs. old and has a history of heart disease in his family and several episodes of Melanoma in his own medical history).
Oh, and this country was founded by liberals and on liberal principles.
Have a nice day.
What a bunch of idiots, you are on this site.
I use facts to support my arguments. Unlike the the crap you write here. Obama stands for nothing, he has more votes of "No Vote" and "Present" than most politicians. Read the actual records. Also, there are valid reasons for McCains plane crashes and he did not start the fire on the ship, it was a missile from another plane. McCain in 2005-2006 presented a bill to tighten regulations on Freddie and Fannie but was shot down. He tried again in 2007, blocked by the Dems. This is all in the congressional record. Obama is from the Chicago political machine. Illinois has the most corrupt politicians in the nation.
The Bush/McCain surge has resulted in large areas of Iraq being turned into ethnically cleansed ghost towns. Very peaceful.
Left&Left @ 21:
[*stands up and applauds*]
My sentiments exactly in a nutshell. It's a freakshow to watch these two crooks in action.
Mygod @ 93:
Do you have any facts on the Keating Scandal that you can share?
Mygod @ 93:
Thank you.
Is that a fact?
What records? Can you provide a link or a source?
Off topic. Did the original post say anything about McCain's plane?
If you insist on facts, could you kindly provide where you are getting them? Give us a house bill number or something.
So is Washington DC, what's your point?
I've said it before, I'll say it again: bragging about "the surge" is like bragging about how well your ejection seat worked.
Social memory is short, alas.
2002 was like a bad sci-fi movie - remember watching how so many folks were snookered into the WMD nonsense? And now that the war is off the front pages, it's as if all the lying and propaganda and the biggest blunder in our history never happened.
It's the same with the Pentagon Papers and Gulf of Tonkin - for many, they're some kind of ancient history, as if they were about some other government, not ours.
Sigh. Let's hope enough people remember the madness brought on by the right-wingers in the form of the Republican party and vote in some sanity for a change.
Eric
www.changeany1thing.com
mygod @ 93:
Those aren't facts. That's a bald-faced lie, and here's the real facts.
No it's not. Unless you provide links to back up your claims, I call bullsh**.
Displaced 2005, also Obama was #2 in contributions from Freddie and Fannie.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109...
John @ 28:
I agree, Obama is not a Messiah. He's still a clearly better choice than McCain.
Mygod @ 93:
I'm from Illinois, shit for brains. Voting "present" is procedural here...on both sides. Also Obama voted "present" 123 out of well over 10,000 votes he casted. Obama wasn't part of the "Chicago political machine". Throw away your DVD of "The Untouchables" OK, that's clearly where your "facts" are from. You're embarrassing yourself.
All anyone had to do was watch these interviews (and, yes, the wording and tone of the questions to Obama were a lot less respectful than those delivered to McCain) and listen to the clarity of thought by each man to make it clear where the wisdom and intelligence advantage lies. And all one had to do was watch McCain's rapid fire blinking as he tried to come up with a legitimate response to the questions he was asked. That kind of blinking either reflects a physical problem or, if you study psychology, a lie (surprise, surprise.)
Maybe that's why Sarah Palin is so fond of saying "You can't blink!"
Saskia @ 45:
The truth is just as many people who will not vote for him because he is black WILL vote for him because he is black - it is a wash. Even Obama said this on 60 minutes. I think that this is an issue that the MSM likes to bring up because it helps keep the feeding frenzy alive - it is a non issue really.
Look at the stats. If one in 6 Americans is black (I believe that brakets it on the high side) and blacks are three times as likely to vote for Obama purely because he is black as whites are to not vote for Obama purely because he is black then Obama is at a disadvantage.
It is not a non-issue.
fiddlerbird @ 105:
Look at the stats. If one in 6 Americans is black (I believe that brakets it on the high side) and blacks are three times as likely to vote for Obama purely because he is black as whites are to not vote for Obama purely because he is black then Obama is at a disadvantage.
It is not a non-issue.
Where the fuck do you get your "race" statistics from....your ass? Black people didn't vote for Obama "PURELY" because he is black. HE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE....PERIOD! Remember genius, black people overwhelming voted against the present Piece of Shit in Chief.....I think our judgment has been proven to be better, thank you. And one more thing , black people have always voted for white candidates, how many black Presidential candidates have you voted for? You try to make a point that the race isn't racial by being racial.
Hmmm....since I never voted for boosh, that must mean I'm black.
Imagine my parents surprise.
If ever any informed Iraqi invests in 100']s of US Calvary/Indian war history books and distributes them around the 'hood", so they can see just what it means to have the USA come in and take over your land and resources.....well........., I don't think this war is over yet.
But..but ..but ..but... THE SURGE!!. I was right about THE SURGE!! and my opponent to this day still doesn't admit to the GLORY of THE SURGE!!. A thousand years from now when people talk about military strategery the first thing everybody will mention will be THE SURGE!!
By the way, I'm a good Christian so I prayed this morning...to THE SURGE!!
Nick @ 109:
The Surge failed.
I like Obama but I DO NOT like this talk about Afghanistan and Pakistan
Bin Laden is actually a Republi-con operative .
The surge ? Yeah right , we have been paying out millions ( in bribes ) to the war lords and sect leaders not to attack us , that is the " surge " , this great strategical success of Bush and Betray-us . Another bit of information the media won't touch .
Zach @ 110:
HA! I c wut u did thar.
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