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Well, she's the gift that keeps on giving.

Sarah Palin told a customer at a Philadelphia restaurant on Saturday that the United States should "absolutely" launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan in the event that it becomes necessary to "stop the terrorists from coming any further in," a comment similar to the one John McCain condemned Barack Obama for making during last night's presidential debate.   During Friday's debate, Obama criticized the Bush administration for sending billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan without ridding the border region of terrorists.

 McCain fired back hard, arguing that newly elected Pakistani president Asif Ali Zardari has had his "hands full" and suggesting that Obama's tough talk was naïve.

"You don't say that out loud," McCain said. "If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government."

Palin's apparent disagreement with McCain's position on Pakistan came as the Alaska governor was picking up a couple of cheesesteaks at Tony Luke's in South Philadelphia. She was approached by a man wearing a Temple University t-shirt, who later identified himself as Michael Rovito...read on

Too bad she wasn't on any of the post debate network wrap up shows. She would have given the media the "sound byte" they were looking for to endlessly loop.  UPDATED:  (Nicole)

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George Stephanopoulos asked John McCain about his running mate's loose lips and he reiterated his policy of not announcing attacks on a country ahead of time, to which Stephie pointed out that's exactly what Palin did.  McCain's response?

"You know this business of .... in all due respect people, going around and, with sticking a microphone while conversations are being held and all of a sudden that's ... that's a person's position ...it, it's a free country but I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitive policy statement made by Governor Palin and I would hope you wouldn't either."

Translation:  How dare anyone take her at her word?  You know you shouldn't listen to her!



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Mooseburgers for everyone.

Cheese take !

I give up if McCain gets elected. That woman is so stupid.

Isn't one of the roles of the VP to provide contrasting points of view, to play "Devil's advocate," if you will?...

I'm noticing a pattern with the McCain campaign. Its purely Rovian. Since the NY Times reported on McCain's gambling problem then his campaign pulls a Karl Rove and accuses the messenger of being "the gambler" or the ol' "I know what you are, but what am I." Lame.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?hp=&pa...

Mr. McCain’s spokesman, Tucker Bounds, would not discuss the senator’s night of gambling at Foxwoods, saying: “Your paper has repeatedly attempted to insinuate impropriety on the part of Senator McCain where none exists — and it reveals that your publication is desperately willing to gamble away what little credibility it still has.”

There we go again.

If John McCain strangled Cindy Lou after losing her fortune at the craps table and then the New York times reported on it then the McCain camp would respond by saying, "The New York Times unfairly characterized John McCain simply putting Cindy Lou McCain out of her misery. The New York Times is a murderous publication who gambles incessently with the public hoping to portray a poor POW as a murderer. You can't be a POW and a murderer or a gambler, can you? Besides Cindy McCain got all that money selling beer!"

So... she didn't watch the debate then.

As if anyone believes McCain would try to work with ANYONE, let alone the Pakistani government.

Nada @ 6:

So... she didn't watch the debate then.

She did, but with the sound off...

There are some who believe that if we elect McCain, President Palin's pretty much what we deserve...

http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/marinsonoma.html

from northcal. am in southern cal. now.

As much as I dislike Palin she represents the American ideal of "toughness". She is the embodiment of the old doctrine "American right or wrong". But I also disagree with Sen Obama's idea of cross border raids into Pakistan. It's reckless and he deserves criticism for it. The better idea is to just get the hell out of there. The British realized this (well before the current idiotic crew) back in the mid 1800s when they met their "Waterloo" and decided it wasn't worth the loss of life. Americans never learn that war in of itself is rarely an answer. But if you are going to war then you have to go "all in". Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq I & II, and who knows how many other missteps there have been.

"if you have to do things , you have to do things" Shooters playbook?

she's ready to lead! BAHAHAHAHAHA!

fastfeat @ 8:

Nada @ 6:

So... she didn't watch the debate then.

She did, but with the sound off...

BaZING! XD lol!!

Fire that off to Jed Report and they can make a clip of McCain saying, "You don't say that!" and then Sarah Palin saying what she just said.

I hate the fact that Sarah Palin is in Philadelphia. She's walking around the streets, talking to people and trying to dumb down the neighborhoods.

grumpyoldvet @ 10:

As much as I dislike Palin she represents the American ideal of "toughness". She is the embodiment of the old doctrine "American right or wrong". But I also disagree with Sen Obama's idea of cross border raids into Pakistan. It's reckless and he deserves criticism for it. The better idea is to just get the hell out of there. The British realized this (well before the current idiotic crew) back in the mid 1800s when they met their "Waterloo" and decided it wasn't worth the loss of life. Americans never learn that war in of itself is rarely an answer. But if you are going to war then you have to go "all in". Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq I & II, and who knows how many other missteps there have been.

all republican wars the only way they know to make a lot of money

Nada @ 6:

So... she didn't watch the debate then.

Or she did see it and just isn't capable of absorbing and integrating that much information,

Any more than McCain is capable of understanding why you don't scold another politician with something as revealing as, "You don’t say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things"

Yeah, John, that'll fool those foreigners. They'll never suspect it was us.

I thought Idiocracy was supposed to be in the future.....

grumpyoldvet @ 10:

As much as I dislike Palin she represents the American ideal of "toughness". She is the embodiment of the old doctrine "American right or wrong". But I also disagree with Sen Obama's idea of cross border raids into Pakistan. . . .

Except he didn't say that.

'He said "If we have actionable intelligence ..... and President Musharraf won't act, we will'

I had a weird dream. Cindy McCain was at a cocktail party telling her friends what a joy it is to spend time with the Palin family.

But saying out loud that you'd chase OSB to the gates of hell isn't tough talk or naive, right?

Oh, that's right - you rescinded that... asshat.

Nada @ 6:

So... she didn't watch the debate then.

Oh she WATCHED, but I hear she likes to watch comedy shows with the sound turned down.

tofubo @ 4:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

That was brutal. To say that Tina Fey was good misses the point. That was dead-on accurate. She desreves a shitload of awards just for that skit alone.

Unfortunately, SNL's spoofing of the presidential debate wasn't anywhere near as accurate... or as funny. They tried to be fair and balanced in their mockery of McCain and Obama. The problem is, Obama is a satirist's nightmare. So their mockery of him was contived and unfunny, not to mention innacurate. People will come away from watching that skit thinking Obama is up to his neck in corruption. That's dangerous in a a close election.

“You don’t say that out loud,” McCain said

Right Senator McCheese - you don't say that out loud...

...you sing a little ditty about it! Bomb, Bomb, Bomb! Right McNugget?

Phillybits @ 15:

Fire that off to Jed Report and they can make a clip of McCain saying, "You don't say that!" and then Sarah Palin saying what she just said.

Apologies, o/t - Phillybits, nice blog.

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers

There isn't going to be a VP debate. The McCain campaign can't let Palin run loose for 90 minutes in prime time. The damage from canceling for some contrived reason (the media's out to get her!) would be less than going through with it, especially if they dangle something shiny (Bristol's getting married next week!) to shift the media's attention.

Can anybody tell me what Palin meant when she uttered the words "Treasury Dill" when talking about putting the government's check book online when she was on the stump the other day?

I'm glad we now know her thoughts about the Pakistan situation in Pakistan. Hilarious quotes from CBS.

Jo @ 27:

L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers

Yeah that too. Maybe it's about time for people to summon visionary courage from their soul instead of from a bottle

Sometimes, for shits and giggles, I try to forget what I know and approach McCain, Palin and others of his ilk with an open mind- so open my brain falls out. I can't do it. Even reducing myself to the intellectual level of a seven year-old, ignoring American history, I can't do it. Who on earth would vote for these frauds? This is disgusting bullshit and I hope that someday soon these lower middle-class Faux Noise watching right-wing nut jobs realize that the blood on America's dick is their own.

That's what happens when you go off the index cards.
If it was left up to McCain, he'd put a vicodine muzzle on her (like Cindy).

The National Inquirer is continuing with their story of Palin's extra-marital affair (maybe she is a true McCain soulmate, after all). The once substantial gap between the tabloids and the OM is becoming increasinly narrower each day with many OM outlets (e.g., Faux News) firmly straddling the abyss.

ronhohn @ 19:

grumpyoldvet @ 10:

As much as I dislike Palin she represents the American ideal of "toughness". She is the embodiment of the old doctrine "American right or wrong". But I also disagree with Sen Obama's idea of cross border raids into Pakistan. . . .

Except he didn't say that.

'He said "If we have actionable intelligence ..... and President Musharraf won't act, we will'

Whats your point ronjohn? Are you saying that Obama's action when President Musharraf wont act, is not referring to a military strike?

To me Obama is saying a military strike into a sovereign allied country is an option, when it shouldn't be. It is an act of war.

Awe Folks,

I will bet that Sarah will do just fine in the debate.

Small pregnant pause's are the effects of Mommy Sarah's little helper

Robert Nicholson @ 29:

Can anybody tell me what Palin meant when she uttered the words "Treasury Dill" when talking about putting the government's check book online when she was on the stump the other day?

maybe she is planning to pickle the SEC Commissioner

“You don’t say that out loud,” McCain said. “If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government.”

Maybe Sarah watched the debates with the sound turned down, too. She seems to be "see no evil and hear no evil" too bad she's giving "say no evil" as pass.

Abraham Jackemoff @ 20:

I had a weird dream. Cindy McCain was at a cocktail party telling her friends what a joy it is to spend time with the Palin family.

Ok, that's odd. I had a dream about Cindy McCain last night, too. I don't remember the dream, only that she showed up in it.

L.A. Confidential @ 31:

Jo @ 27:

L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers

Yeah that too. Maybe it's about time for people to summon visionary courage from their soul instead of from a bottle

In a world devoid of justice that will take a reawakening or a revolution....but not during the playoffs, heaven forbid.

to everyone having Cindy McCain dreams...please lay off the late night pizza/raw cookie dough combo plate.

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 40:

to everyone having Cindy McCain dreams...please lay off the late night pizza/raw cookie dough combo plate.

Lol! You ask too much!

tofubo @ 4:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

The funniest part was when she quoted Palin verbatim

At what point will she break down and start crying? Nobody can stand up under this ridicule (however much deserved) and not be affected. Think of all the misogynists that will say they she represents all women and shows why women should not have political power.

I have to wonder if she asked for some ketchup on her cheesesteak.

ronhohon..

Perhaps he did not say it as I portrayed but the implication is there. American jinjoism is what keeps getting us in the morasses. Vietnam because of something called a "domino theory" but in reality Kennedy, who built up forces initially put there under Eisenhower after the French left because of the old Democratic Party bug-a-boo of Who lost China. Truman allowing MacArthur almost lead us into a war with China, because of McCarthy's "list" of Communists in the government.....and it goes on and on. We as a nation have tp realize that negotiations work better than military action. War/raids or whatever should be used as a last resort when everything else fails.

Bur I also understand Sen Obama had to show his balls on defense otherwise he would have been thought weak and the fools will think Sen McCain is the better one to lead this country. I look forward to the day when jingoism, religion and idiotic social issues are removed from politics and real issues are dicussed. Health care, economics, education etc. You know "elite" subjects.

Jscopes @ 35:

Awe Folks,

I will bet that Sarah will do just fine in the debate.

Small pregnant pause's are the effects of Mommy Sarah's little helper

The only problem is that the republicans don't know which one they are ordering. They won't be able to tell the difference between the ant and the earpiece.

"Sarah Palin contradicts McCain’s Pakistan position while ordering some cheese steak"

sarah probably thinks the connection between beef and dairy products with high cholesterol and heart disease is only a theory.

I thought she only ate mooseburgers.

If mcgramps wins but at some point has to hand the office to her, who would she select as vp

Someone who only eats baby seal blubber?

Sarah Palin, The Movie!
http://www.vkmag.com/magazine/sarah_palin_disney_trailer/

Nothing is a secret on internet. The 1984 footage of the Miss Alaska pageant.
http://www.totallyupyours.com/48de18ee34585-sarah_palin___miss_alaska_co...

McCain's dreams of nailin', Ol' Sarah Palin

The difference between Obama's statement and the one Palin made is substantial. Obama was specific about who to target in Pakistan. His statement clearly indicated by name Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and their top lieutenants. By doing this Obama separates Al Qaeda from the Pakistani Government which may make it easier over time to work with the Pakistani government to carry out those cross border missions.  The only sticking point left is that of Pakistan's sovereignty but that can be worked out.  Obama's idea is to isolate Al Qaeda and their Taliban backers while reaching out and giving more credibility to the Pakistani Government. 
 
Palin on the other hand referred to Al Qaeda and the Taliban as "the guys". Personally I doubt Palin has any clue as to who the U.S. is targeting in Pakistan.  Furthermore, she never seems to have any ideas of her own on how to carry out those missions in Pakistan.  She simply responds positively to any and all suggestions made before hand.  In fact, I bet if you deliberately attempted to throw her off with the suggestion that the U.S. should throw flowers at Al Qaeda she would go for it because she knows no better.
 
McCain's plan of carrying out cross border attacks in Pakistan without Pakistani approval just makes matters worse. The Pakistanis see those attacks as not only a clear violation of their sovereignty but also as direct attacks against them.  McCain just pushes Al Qaeda, the Taliban and good portion of the Pakistani population into an alliance.

PLEASE !!! I wish this was over. I'm am so tiredexhausted by people coming up to me and saying they are amazed, sorry, dumbfounded or just plain laughing when they speak of how the American Political arena looks from out here. How can I defend America when people like Palin and Graham and McAncient keep making these blunders over and over.

45 grumpyoldvet

I thought the Domino theory was people would pay more for less toppings, that they can sell to liberals, and then give donations to anti-choice people.

"I look forward to the day when jingoism, religion and idiotic social issues are removed from politics and real issues are dicussed."

Jingoism and religion and war are hardwired into our lizard brains, and although I agree they're social issues are idiotic, these are quality of life issues. I'm sure some on the reichwing thought the Civil Rights movement idiotic.

The distinction is liberals seek to expand rights, conservatards to constrict them to only what is written in the constitution (ignoring the IX and X amendments), and under booshco even those rights so delineated.

'It's OVER !'

-Peggy Noonan-

Way to go, Sarah..."torpedo -LOS!", and the McCain campaign ship pulls a Lusitania...

Palin - Obama's secret weapon.

What a compleat idiot.

L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

So many options, so little satisfaction...

Jo @ 27:

L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers

Or as I like to refer to them: Simple things for simple minds.

☺☻Bangkok Bob☻☺ @ 51:

PLEASE !!! I wish this was over. I'm am so tiredexhausted by people coming up to me and saying they are amazed, sorry, dumbfounded or just plain laughing when they speak of how the American Political arena looks from out here. How can I defend America when people like Palin and Graham and McAncient keep making these blunders over and over.

Look on the bright side, Bob, at least you aren't surrounded by the idiots who voted for Bush, twice!

Jscopes @ 35:

Awe Folks,

I will bet that Sarah will do just fine in the debate.

Small pregnant pause's are the effects of Mommy Sarah's little helper

If a debate answer is "Would you like fries with that?", we'll know she's indeed capable of multi-tasking.

McCain's stance is, we invade countries, we just don't speak out loud about it.

Fascism.

ysbaddaden @ 52:

45 grumpyoldvet

I thought the Domino theory was people would pay more for less toppings, that they can sell to liberals, and then give donations to anti-choice people.

"I look forward to the day when jingoism, religion and idiotic social issues are removed from politics and real issues are dicussed."

Jingoism and religion and war are hardwired into our lizard brains, and although I agree they're social issues are idiotic, these are quality of life issues. I'm sure some on the reichwing thought the Civil Rights movement idiotic.

The distinction is liberals seek to expand rights, conservatards to constrict them to only what is written in the constitution (ignoring the IX and X amendments), and under booshco even those rights so delineated.

Please read carefully with a full understanding of my comments. As to your first one. I have no bloody idea what the hell you're referring to.

As to the second what's your point. Quality of life is not pro/anti-chioce, pro/anti gay-rights, separation of church and state, and the list goes on. Quality of life is a "bullshit" phrase that marketed well to lizard brains. True quality of life means respecting your neighbor's right to privacy, respecting their viewpoints on any subject matter, not imposing your will on them

27 Jo Says: L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers
___________________________________________

Jesus,

I got such a hangover right now.

ysbaddaden @ 61:

27 Jo Says: L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers
___________________________________________

Jesus,

I got such a hangover right now.

tomato juice, raw egg, tobasco sauce. blend. drink. repeat as needed.

What would Zeus do? @ 33:

The National Inquirer is continuing with their story of Palin's extra-marital affair (maybe she is a true McCain soulmate, after all). The once substantial gap between the tabloids and the OM is becoming increasinly narrower each day with many OM outlets (e.g., Faux News) firmly straddling the abyss.

Why hasn't this been talked about more?

Jo @ 62:

ysbaddaden @ 61:

27 Jo Says: L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers
___________________________________________

Jesus,

I got such a hangover right now.

tomato juice, raw egg, tobasco sauce. blend. drink. repeat as needed.

Screw that,Tylenol and water. Wait 1/2hr, start pounding beers.
But you have a good idea Jo.:)

mudshark @ 64:

Jo @ 62:

ysbaddaden @ 61:

27 Jo Says: L.A. Confidential @ 26:

Sunday in Murica

Guns, Football, Nascar, and Jesus

and hangovers
___________________________________________

Jesus,

I got such a hangover right now.

tomato juice, raw egg, tobasco sauce. blend. drink. repeat as needed.

Screw that,Tylenol and water. Wait 1/2hr, start pounding beers.
But you have a good idea Jo.:)

I find that a greasy hamburger, coke and fries, then wait 1/2 hour and drink a couple of shots of tequila. Someone told me it replaces the electrolytes, works for me.

I was so damn impressed with Sarah Palin and her intelligent responses that I was smitten for a brief moment with erectile patriotism, so I did what any red-blooded American would do, I wrote a song about her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7trIpspUILg

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Jusker Says:

At what point will she break down and start crying? Nobody can stand up under this ridicule (however much deserved) and not be affected. Think of all the misogynists that will say they she represents all women and shows why women should not have political power.

One shouldn't underestimate the cohesiveness of the ego when birthing the mind of a maniac. The reason probably for the incoherency in her upchucking is lack of connection to deeper affects, hence he word salad prancing around the phallus that is Palin.

43
Jusker Says:

At what point will she break down and start crying? Nobody can stand up under this ridicule (however much deserved) and not be affected. Think of all the misogynists that will say they she represents all women and shows why women should not have political power.

One shouldn’t underestimate the cohesiveness of the ego when birthing the mind of a maniac. The reason probably for the incoherency in her upchucking is lack of connection to deeper affects, hence he word salad prancing around the phallus that is Palin.

60 grumpyoldvet

Please read carefully with a full understanding of my comments...
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You're beginning to sound like mcgramps, "What my opponent fails to understand..."

Quality of Live is such a broad phrase that it can mean just about anything, and include anything and everything. Even in your examples: "Quality of life is not pro/anti-chioce, pro/anti gay-rights, separation of church and state, and the list goes on." If it is your rights being trampled on because you're pro-choice in that you're a pregnant women trying to keep abortion as a legal option, or you're the gay person about to lose their rights that, " ...means respecting your neighbor’s right to privacy, respecting their viewpoints on any subject matter, not imposing your will on them," is being flipped on it's head.

Howsoever, I think almost everyone here agrees they're getting tired of these being used as hot-button issues to derail election year debates on more pressing issues that the state should be concerned with like economy and war.

Wowie Zowie.....now that's something evey American should sleep on in order to formulate a life changing opinion. A second way is, you could've listened to Bill Moyers (re-broadcast) interview today with retired army colonel, west point grad & Professor of International Relations @ Boston University...Andrew Bacevich and really listened to something awe-inspiring. Bacevich brings you on a trip from 1980 till now and it's without a doubt the most learned thought I have ever listened to. This is THE history lesson every American MUST listen to.
Incidently, 2 Canadian friends called me to listen to it (about 25 min. apart) but I held off and was fortunate enough to google both the interview and transcript off Bill Moyers website. Oh yes, I'm Canadian too and if we think it's intersting enough....perhaps you guys should too......but of course....after the football game.

Damn!

I was just coming here to post this, and you already had it up.

You guys are on top of things! Don't you ever sleep?

Would that man in the crowd named Michael Rovito be the same Micheal Rovito that writes for the "Frontiersman", the newspaper of Palin's hometown Wasilla, Alaska. Here is his email address and phone number.

Contact Michael Rovito at Michael.rovito@frontiersman.com or 352-2252. (sorry, they did not list the prefix for Wasilla.

Actually come to think of it politics and war are both exercises in power over others, if one can only grab the levers of power.

I'm always grabbing my lever.

I'm not sure I see the big deal here. I mean, this is Classic McCain: Taking a firm position...while simultaneously refusing to rule out any position.

It's the kind of bold, yet wishy-washy, leadership America craves.

Sure, it's a bit hard on his supporters, who cheer just as loudly when McCain reverses a stance on an issue, as they did when he announced his original stance on the issue. But if you want to back a Maverick like McCain, you have to be mentally prepared to roll with the punches.

I imagine it's a lot like trying to jump up and down on quicksand.

RobertD @ 71:

Damn!

I was just coming here to post this, and you already had it up.

You guys are on top of things! Don't you ever sleep?

In case you want to get another (similar) take, it's on CNN, too.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/palin-takes-questions-du...

I wonder if she ordered her steak sandwich "wit'..." ??

Really, if Sarah decides (or is forced to return to Alaska) I think I'm ready to take her place. I love steak sandwiches wit' everything (but hot peppers); I was a three-sport athlete and inducted into my high school's hall of fame; and, I was president of my local GFWC Women's Club for 4 years. Though, on the negative side, I have no kids and I've never killed any animals - but, I could probably take care of the latter in the next week or two. John.......call me ....?!

My dial-up is bogging down, so this'll probably be my last comment on this thread.

Quality of Life is not a marketing phrase, but is itself actually antithetical to marketing, in that the marketplace is not the be all and end all of happiness, as Karl Marx would have it. The phrase appears to be a reworking of the Constitutional Pursuit of Happiness.

Last night while soaking in Radox, Pears and Pinaud, listening to classical music and rereading a section of the Nichomachean Ethics, I came across a quote that Aristotle credited to Hesiod that seems applicable to boosh, and in relevancy to this thread, palin as well:

Best is the man who himself can advise;
He too is good who harkens to the wise;
But who, himself being witless, will not heed
Another's wisdom is worthless indeed.

I break down and cry when I read what they have done to my America:

Swift action promised on bailout for Wall Street bankers; details need to be settled

Senate OKs bill with automakers loans, end to coastal drilling ban, aid for disaster victims

The 78-12 vote sent the $634 billion measure to President Bush, who was expected to sign it even though it spends more money and contains more pet projects than he would have liked.

I really can't take any more of this.........

tofubo @ 4:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

OK, I watched it with the sound on. While Tina Fey's impersonation of Palin was absolutely drop-dead perfect, the whole thing turned my stomach.

I can't believe people in this country are so stupid that we'd even *consider* voting for someone so vapid that she'd put her ego before the fact that she's unprepared to serve the country. She will do us irreparable harm.

Palin's Philly stop is just a preview of what we're going to see during the V.P. Debates. Although she is a gift that keeps on giving, I hope that Biden has enough finesse on his own to expose this woman without inserting his foot into his mouth.

Although he's a straight talker, I am afraid he's going to say something negatively about this woman that the media is going to obsess over and Sarah Palin is going to be pitied for going into a buzzsaw.

OTOH, watching that debate is going to be like watching the Circus Maximus.

RobertD @ 77:

tofubo @ 4:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

OK, I watched it with the sound on. While Tina Fey's impersonation of Palin was absolutely drop-dead perfect, the whole thing turned my stomach.

I can't believe people in this country are so stupid that we'd even *consider* voting for someone so vapid that she'd put her ego before the fact that she's unprepared to serve the country. She will do us irreparable harm.

We know that. But the sickening feeling really rests on those who love this fraud of a governor. Knowing how she is, I wonder if they have any decency or integrity left. And again, it comes back to being Americans only in name.

For a platform of authoritarian values, the GOP can sure overlook the pecadilloes of their own when it is convenient.

Sarah Palin contradicts McCain’s Pakistan position while ordering some cheese steaks

Well of course! Someone was offering her ten inches of steaming meat, so she was a little distracted.
.

The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 79:

Palin's Philly stop is just a preview of what we're going to see during the V.P. Debates. Although she is a gift that keeps on giving, I hope that Biden has enough finesse on his own to expose this woman without inserting his foot into his mouth.

Although he's a straight talker, I am afraid he's going to say something negatively about this woman that the media is going to obsess over and Sarah Palin is going to be pitied for going into a buzzsaw.

OTOH, watching that debate is going to be like watching the Circus Maximus.

If this debate happens, Joe should just focus on answering the questions he's asked and not try to correct, point out flaws, or "debate" Ms. Sarah.

It will be quite obvious to all watching (though I don't know how it isn't already) that there is absolutley no comparison between the knowledge and experience he possesses and her immature musings about issues that are really "foreign" to her.

So is he pretty much saying HE LIED about that in the debate?

i find it interesting that McLame will focus on "announcing" and avoid the policy issue at its core. and hasn't he "announced" his opinion on Iran? this man is slinging so much bullshit and lies he is unrecognizable.

BobFlash @ 36:

ronhohn @ 19:

grumpyoldvet @ 10:

As much as I dislike Palin she represents the American ideal of "toughness". She is the embodiment of the old doctrine "American right or wrong". But I also disagree with Sen Obama's idea of cross border raids into Pakistan. . . .

Except he didn't say that.

'He said "If we have actionable intelligence ..... and President Musharraf won't act, we will'

Whats your point ronjohn? Are you saying that Obama's action when President Musharraf wont act, is not referring to a military strike?

To me Obama is saying a military strike into a sovereign allied country is an option, when it shouldn't be. It is an act of war.

but that is what george bush is doing. us military has made or attempted to make several "incursions" into pakistani territory.

does bobflash assert that the recent military incidents inside the pakistani border are acts of war by the us against pakistan?

the question should be put to mccain but mccain doesn't answer questions, so it would be a pointless exercise.

So let her get out in the world and MAKE some definitive statements John. Free Sarah!

WTF...was that Darrell Hammond on SNL, or was that actually John McCain?

Amitola @ 86:

The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 79:

Palin's Philly stop is just a preview of what we're going to see during the V.P. Debates. Although she is a gift that keeps on giving, I hope that Biden has enough finesse on his own to expose this woman without inserting his foot into his mouth.

Although he's a straight talker, I am afraid he's going to say something negatively about this woman that the media is going to obsess over and Sarah Palin is going to be pitied for going into a buzzsaw.

OTOH, watching that debate is going to be like watching the Circus Maximus.

If this debate happens, Joe should just focus on answering the questions he's asked and not try to correct, point out flaws, or "debate" Ms. Sarah.

It will be quite obvious to all watching (though I don't know how it isn't already) that there is absolutley no comparison between the knowledge and experience he possesses and her immature musings about issues that are really "foreign" to her.

You're absolutely correct.

Although the remedies you mention will correct that in the long run, Biden is walking a tightrope here.

Anything can happen in those debates. And if the Kennedy/Nixon debates teach us anything, perception is the key here.

Not only did Palin not watch the debate, she hasn't bothered to keep up with McCain's constantly shifting positions. I have a pin with the face of President George Bush on and it reads: Like a rock, only dumber. I think I will have to replace his picture with hers. The only thing she's been accurate about is comparing herself to a pit bull. I just didn't realize she meant it on an intelligence level.

Karin Byars @ 75:

Would that man in the crowd named Michael Rovito be the same Micheal Rovito that writes for the "Frontiersman", the newspaper of Palin's hometown Wasilla, Alaska. Here is his email address and phone number.

Contact Michael Rovito at Michael.rovito@frontiersman.com or 352-2252. (sorry, they did not list the prefix for Wasilla.

or is it actually, in fact, more likely this michael rovito?

MICHAEL ROVITO

EDUCATION:
* MA in Urban Studies from Temple University
* BA in Geography from Millersville University

RESEARCH INTERESTS:
* ethnic studies, minority health disparities, immigration, the use of GIS in public health applications.

CURRENT RESEARCH:
* The influence of language upon spatial mobility for recent Philadelphia immigrants and implementing Geographic Information Systmes to the field of epidemiology and Public Health.
http://bitsconversationsbios.blogspot.com/2006/04/michael-rovito.html

when you google "michael rovito palin," the results bring up stories involving the newspaper "alaska frontiersman," but the news reports clearly identify the michael rovito in question as being a "temple university graduate student."

but i googled just "michael rovito" and came up with what is a far likelier identification of the michael rovito in philadelphia.

seriously, you shouldn't be posting the telephone numbers of people you "think" "might" be involved and encouraging people to make telephone calls based on erroneous speculation. it harms all of us when that kind of nonsense happens.

why was she compelled to respond to this particular questioner... and who is he anyway... and with all the security, how did he get so close... Gannon anybody.

("i'm checking my stock in Reynolds," she assures the crowd while adjusting the stylish and shiny dome that clung to her skull.)

Of course you don't take her at her word. She's a republican.

Are you gonna believe me or your ears, jeez!!

This has reached the point of absurdity.

"You don't announce that you're going to breach another country's sovereignty."

On the other hand,

"We'll do whatever is necessary to defend the United States."

and

"My running mate agrees with me."

OK. So what you're saying is that you'd do exactly the same as Obama, but that you wouldn't talk about it. But since you've stated that you would do the same thing as Obama, you've effectively announced that you would disregard Pakistan's sovereignty and cross the border to get bin Laden. To really be credible on this, you have to say, "No comment," and nothing more. Otherwise you're a hypocrite, which, in fact, you are.

i want one of those guys to ask Palin which terrorist group Saddam Hussein was associated with when we sold him the gas he used on the Kurds.

DannyEastVillage @ 99:

i want one of those guys to ask Palin which terrorist group Saddam Hussein was associated with when we sold him the gas he used on the Kurds.

let me clarify: when DONALD RUMSFELD FACILITATED the sale of that gas used on the Kurds.

Also ask Palin if she's aware that Osama bin Laden was/(is?) a CIA operative.

DannyEastVillage @ 100:

DannyEastVillage @ 99:

i want one of those guys to ask Palin which terrorist group Saddam Hussein was associated with when we sold him the gas he used on the Kurds.

let me clarify: when DONALD RUMSFELD FACILITATED the sale of that gas used on the Kurds.

Also ask Palin if she's aware that Osama bin Laden was/(is?) a CIA operative.

in fact, why don't was ask McLAME to address that?

karen marie @ 89:

BobFlash @ 36:

ronhohn @ 19:

grumpyoldvet @ 10:

Except he didn't say that.

'He said "If we have actionable intelligence ..... and President Musharraf won't act, we will'

Whats your point ronjohn? Are you saying that Obama's action when President Musharraf wont act, is not referring to a military strike?

To me Obama is saying a military strike into a sovereign allied country is an option, when it shouldn't be. It is an act of war.

but that is what george bush is doing. us military has made or attempted to make several "incursions" into pakistani territory.

does BobFlash assert that the recent military incidents inside the pakistani border are acts of war by the us against pakistan?

the question should be put to mccain but mccain doesn't answer questions, so it would be a pointless exercise.

does BobFlash assert that the recent military incidents inside the Pakistani border are acts of war by the us against Pakistan?

Yes, It is an act of war by the US against Pakistan.

es-HUSSEIN-me @ 95:

why was she compelled to respond to this particular questioner... and who is he anyway... and with all the security, how did he get so close... Gannon anybody.

("i'm checking my stock in Reynolds," she assures the crowd while adjusting the stylish and shiny dome that clung to her skull.)

woohoo!! i'm not alone :)

Amitola @ 86:

The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 79:

Palin's Philly stop is just a preview of what we're going to see during the V.P. Debates. Although she is a gift that keeps on giving, I hope that Biden has enough finesse on his own to expose this woman without inserting his foot into his mouth.

Although he's a straight talker, I am afraid he's going to say something negatively about this woman that the media is going to obsess over and Sarah Palin is going to be pitied for going into a buzzsaw.

OTOH, watching that debate is going to be like watching the Circus Maximus.

If this debate happens, Joe should just focus on answering the questions he's asked and not try to correct, point out flaws, or "debate" Ms. Sarah.

It will be quite obvious to all watching (though I don't know how it isn't already) that there is absolutley no comparison between the knowledge and experience he possesses and her immature musings about issues that are really "foreign" to her.

Although it appears what McCain is saying is, "It's OK for the media to cover it when Biden puts his foot in his mouth, but not when Palin does it, because then it's just 'gotcha.'"

So, is that an admission that the media--and college students at cheesesteak restaurants--should leave Sarah alone because she's just too inexperienced to be trusted? Sounds like it.

McCain: "this nonsense of going around with microphones being held and all of a sudden that's a person's position ..."

If you are running for public office, yes it is. In fact, it is even if you are NOT running for public office. The only nonsense here is McCain and Palin. I can't wait for the VP debate!

PorridgeGun @ 24:

tofubo @ 4:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

That was brutal. To say that Tina Fey was good misses the point. That was dead-on accurate. She desreves a shitload of awards just for that skit alone.

Unfortunately, SNL's spoofing of the presidential debate wasn't anywhere near as accurate... or as funny. They tried to be fair and balanced in their mockery of McCain and Obama. The problem is, Obama is a satirist's nightmare. So their mockery of him was contived and unfunny, not to mention innacurate. People will come away from watching that skit thinking Obama is up to his neck in corruption. That's dangerous in a a close election.

totally agree - the debate part of the show was the worst. Completely lied about Obama and had the words coming out of that "characters" mouth is only going to give validation to the mouth breathers, who believe that crap the right is spewing about him, clearence to say - "see, see".... very disappointing.

So embarrassing when grandpa wanders out of his room and onto ABC's This Week.
Has he mentioned he thinks the black nurses are stealing from him?

Cats r Flyfishn @ 26:

Phillybits @ 15:

Fire that off to Jed Report and they can make a clip of McCain saying, "You don't say that!" and then Sarah Palin saying what she just said.

Apologies, o/t - Phillybits, nice blog.

Thank you! Everyone should have their own slice of virtual real estate. I thank you for coming to mine!

The entire This Week interview was a complete disaster for McCain. It was nice to see George hit him with practically nothing other than hard questions. It was even better downright scary watching McCain make a total ass of himself. His often confused responses, such as "House of Republicans" instead of House of Representatives, were either testament to how frustrated and pissed off he was feeling or senility setting in. Or perhaps both. Now he's trying to compare himself to Teddy Roosevelt. And how many times did he invoke the name of Reagan in the first debate? Sorry Senator, you were cast from the same mold as Bush.

Palin says, "Heck yea, we'll go in them caves drag them suckers out kickin and screamin, we'll cuff em and take em to the clink, yea. And, and, we'll kick their mama's butt if she tries to stop us. We ain't gonna stop till we round em up, move em out, and roll em, roll em, roll em."

Dear Bob in heaven.

Oh, Mighty, Highty, Tighty - over-arching dude. This has not been a good week. Please-please-pul-eeze, pul-eeze, pulll-eeezeee!!!! - ensure with your omnipotent power that John "POW" McCain and Ms. Sarah are not granted the opportunity to be President and Vice President of this wonderful land, that I'm told you created just for us.

And, Bob, if it be thy will that Ms. Sarah is taken from us and transported back to
your great winter-wonderland, Alaska, we ask you to grant that Rudy Noun-Verb-911 be not the substitute VP. Further, we petition that Obama/Biden be afforded your grace and the opportunity to at least have a crack at fixing what the Bushes and Cheney's have wrought, lo these many years.

We pray, oh Bob, in the name of M. Fuckabee, your humble servant, who also harbors the desire to take the reins of power from the People you created, and endowed with freedom and the right to bear arms.

Keep us in your care until at least Nov 4th, so we may do they will and cast out the demon Repugs with our ballots. Awomen.....!

This may not sound very educated or intelligent but this is why Mccain's back story, his stay in prison, DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE.

He is, like a great many neocons, full of sh*t! We need to get rid of this ideology and Obama is trying to educate the American people on this. I do not proclaim Obama the savior or a saint but these neocons, their ideology along with the American Talibans like Palin must be kicked out of Washington DC and then Americans need to be educated.

McCain's campaign is one big lie being perpetrated on the American population. Anyone wonder why McCain now supports torture, which is not really torture since Cheney and Addington redefined it, but admitted in his bio with Diane Sawyer on ABC before the debate to signing a false statement because he was just tired, wore out... Notice how ABC kind of glossed over that detail,,,like the one about how he divorced his first wife for a beer heiress? My goodness America I hope you do not fall for this.

karen marie @ 94:

Karin Byars @ 75:

Would that man in the crowd named Michael Rovito be the same Micheal Rovito that writes for the "Frontiersman", the newspaper of Palin's hometown Wasilla, Alaska. Here is his email address and phone number.

Contact Michael Rovito at Michael.rovito@frontiersman.com or 352-2252. (sorry, they did not list the prefix for Wasilla.

or is it actually, in fact, more likely this michael rovito?

MICHAEL ROVITO

EDUCATION:
* MA in Urban Studies from Temple University
* BA in Geography from Millersville University

RESEARCH INTERESTS:
* ethnic studies, minority health disparities, immigration, the use of GIS in public health applications.

CURRENT RESEARCH:
* The influence of language upon spatial mobility for recent Philadelphia immigrants and implementing Geographic Information Systmes to the field of epidemiology and Public Health.
http://bitsconversationsbios.blogspot.com/2006/04/michael-rovito.html

when you google "michael rovito palin," the results bring up stories involving the newspaper "alaska frontiersman," but the news reports clearly identify the michael rovito in question as being a "temple university graduate student."

but i googled just "michael rovito" and came up with what is a far likelier identification of the michael rovito in philadelphia.

seriously, you shouldn't be posting the telephone numbers of people you "think" "might" be involved and encouraging people to make telephone calls based on erroneous speculation. it harms all of us when that kind of nonsense happens.

I did not google him, I remembered reading his name in the Frontiersman along with the email and phone number. I did not violate his privacy, so get off your high horse, karen marie.

Here’s a crazy notion for another version of the October Surprise…

McCain gets Palin to take herself out of the race at the last minute, (spend more time with her family and all that) so he can bring in another, better choice for VP. Let’s face it. Anyone will look better. The new candidate will be inserted into the race mere weeks before the election, leaving little, if any, time to be vetted by the media even to the degree that Palin has been. It will reanimate the election for the conservatives and make McCain look like a maverick once again. This fresh dog and pony show will again capture the attention of the pundits and the people, taking the media’s attention away from substantive issues. Shock and awe.

It could happen. Could it happen?

So, according to McCain, you should have an overt foreign policy, but just do what you need to do secretly...

Regarding Palin, I would think that McCain's head is just about ready to explode. I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped her from the ticket before the first VP debate. After all, wouldn't that be rather "Maverick-like" of him?

If these two get elected, I moving to Canada or France or wherever they will take me.

117 Janie Says: If these two get elected, I moving to Canada or France or wherever they will take me.
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I'll go to Transylvania.

117 Janie Says: If these two get elected, I moving to Canada or France or wherever they will take me.

I don't know about France or Quebec.

Everytime they say oui oui

I'll want to visit a pissoir.

From the Sermon on the Mount (you know, the teachings of CHRIST, as in CHRISTIAN.)

"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, 'Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths.' But I say unto you, Swear not at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; nor by the earth, for it is his footstool; neither by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by the head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, 'Yea, yea'; Nay, nay'; for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

I've never seen a Republican follow *any* of the teachings in the SotM.

Perhaps they've misunderstood it:
Blessed are the cheese makers.

E Pleb Neesta
If contraception --> promiscuity then confession --> sin
Faux Pas P.O.W.

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