VP Debate: The night's most powerful moment
By SilentPatriot Thursday Oct 02, 2008 2:20pm
The moment that most stuck with me last night (and most people, I assume) was when Senator Biden choked up while taking about losing his wife and daughter to a horrific car accident. He successfully challenged Palin's assertion that he doesn't understand the challenges of average, working Americans in what was clearly an unscripted and sincere moment that provided a window into the true character of the man.
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Look, I understand what it's like to be a single parent. When my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, I understand what it's like as a parent to wonder what it's like if your kid's going to make it.
I understand what it's like to sit around the kitchen table with a father who says, "I've got to leave, champ, because there's no jobs here. I got to head down to Wilmington. And when we get enough money, honey, we'll bring you down."
But the notion that somehow, because I'm a man, I don't know what it's like to raise two kids alone, I don't know what it's like to have a child you're not sure is going to -- is going to make it -- I understand.
Biden's most powerful, personal moment was quickly followed by what Palin did best all night: repeat mindless, boilerplate talking points, never deviating from the script prepared for her.
Markos puts it perfectly:
It was a poignant moment, made all the much more so by Palin's callous response. As GreenSooner wrote in the comments:
She didn't have a prepared reaction...
...so she was trying to figure out which talking point was the easiest pivot from "opponent shows deep emotion over family tragedy."
She pulled the string, and out came an answer about McCain being a maverick. Classless, and completely out of place in what was a somber movement. She could've shown some empathy, maybe even talked about the difficulties of raising her own family. Instead, she resorted to talking points.
Classless.
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It's gonna take more than lipstick...
Indeed, this was one of the most poignent moments in the debate and Sarah Palin's stepfordish response revealed volumes about her character.
I was moved by Senator Biden and his pain shows still. There are some things you never get over. For Caribou Barbie to go to some stupid place in her head and not even show her heart was ridiculous, callous, and low. She showed the world she doesn't have an ounce of compassion or empathy... especially if she thinks it will get in the way of her stealing a new job. Pitiful! and pathetic...
Yep, classless.
Seeing how she treated this sensitive moment gives a better insight on the kind of mother she is and that explains volumes
Interesting the way the little graphic on the screen dips the moment she opens her classless mouth.
Bible Spice admits that is her tactic:
"In two separate and lengthy interviews with Couric over the last week, Palin seemed to struggle with a number of answers, including a defense of McCain's record on regulation issues. She also appeared to stumble when relating her views on the financial bailout, her foreign policy credentials, her preferred news sources of news, and a Supreme Court case she disagrees with.
"Man, no matter what you say you are gonna get clobbered," Palin told Fox about her heavily-scrutinized performance. "You choose to answer you are going to get clobbered on the answer. If you choose to pivot and try to go onto another subject that you believe Americans want to hear about, you get clobbered for that too."
She is a repub skin job.
A classless Rupublican?!?! STOP THE PRESS!!!
In a related story, water is wet.
Palin's response was a good summarization of both Palin and Conservatives in general. She just callously and unthinkingly moved right back into her idiot duck-speak.
earl @ 7:
Bible Spice?!? ROFLMAO (does spit take)
I hope, at least, the cable stations play debate clips all weekend. The more you see her "performance" the more you realize how frightening it would be to have her as VP.
Carl Cameron, FOXNews asked her about the campaign pulling out of Mich. which she apparently read about this morning - she said she and Todd are ready to go there and talk to the people!! Cameron identified her as DEMOCRATIC Vice Presidential contender.....!!!! Maybe that's their new strategery.
True colors revealed.
She comes back with that same f***ing smirk she was wearing all night. That story didn't effect her one bit.
I hope C&L will post this opinion from the NYT in its entirety, as parsing it just doesn't do it justice. It succinctly contains most of the points we've all been making since the debate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/opinion/03fri1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
We cannot recall when there were lower expectations for a candidate than the ones that preceded Sarah Palin’s appearance in Thursday night’s vice-presidential debate with Joseph Biden. After a series of stumbling interviews that raised serious doubts even among conservatives about her fitness to serve as vice president, Ms. Palin had to do little more than say one or two sensible things and avoid an election-defining gaffe.
By that standard, but only by that standard, the governor of Alaska did well. But Ms. Palin never really got beyond her talking points in 90 minutes, mostly repeating clichés and tired attack lines and energetically refusing to answer far too many questions.
. . . But she offered virtually no detail — beyond the Republican mantra of tax cuts — for how she and Mr. McCain would address the financial crisis or help Americans avoid foreclosure or what programs they would cut because of the country’s disastrous fiscal problems.
Ms. Palin’s primary tactic was simply to repeat the same thing over and over: John McCain is a maverick. So is she. To stay on that course, she had to indulge in some wildly circular logic: America does not want another Washington insider. They want Mr. McCain (who has been in Congress for nearly 26 years). Ms. Palin condemned Wall Street greed and said she and Mr. McCain would “demand” strict oversight. In virtually the next breath, she said government should “get out of the way” of American business.
. . . In the end, the debate did not change the essential truth of Ms. Palin’s candidacy: Mr. McCain made a wildly irresponsible choice that shattered the image he created for himself as the honest, seasoned, experienced man of principle and judgment. It was either an act of incredible cynicism or appallingly bad judgment.
When he was first picked, some liberals were all mad about it. In my YouTube videos, I told them to "Stop whinin' 'bout Biden." Now, I'm so glad I said that. Biden kicked her butt and proved himself a true man of the people. Total knock-out.
The debate was a wash.
Read any right-wing site and Palin won. Read any left-wing site and Biden won. This is just a waste of time. Biden did incredibly well given the format and Palin didn't crap herself so both sides can be happy.
In the mean time, there is a whole world of stuff going on that is being ignored by C&L for this fluff. I truly love this site but enough nit-picking the debates. It's over and nothing important came of it.
I don't want to sound too brash but this site is usually much better at prioritizing what matters and what is fluff. One or two posts about the debate is fine but 7 since the Open Thread last night? That's a bit much.
Well doncha know it - palin's response is a true "phony fundamentalist's" response. To her and those like her, jebus is but a too to advance wealth, power, control, etc. Totally in character, and totally disgusting!
Powerful moment..sincere. No acting there.
And as Jane over at Firedoglake pointed out Sarah said that Joe's wife a professor/teacher 'would get her reward in heaven" how thoughtless.
Anyone notice how Sarah said her pledge of allegiance to Israel while radical Israeli firster Joe Lieberman looked on
She pulled the string, and out came an answer about McCain being a maverick. Classless, and completely out of place in what was a somber movement. She could’ve shown some empathy, maybe even talked about the difficulties of raising her own family. Instead, she resorted to talking points.
Classless.
The tin eared emotional intellegence of a ..... Newt (pun intended). (BTW, every time she winked at me, or tried to scrunch up her "cute" little nose, it made me shudder.)
Ex-Canuck @ 18:
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beltman713 @ 14:
I don't think she was even listening.
This Palin is cheney in a dress and lookin pretty. But don't "judge a book by it's cover".
Her response (non response) to Joe's heartfelt moment shows what I mean:
Reporter: "Solidiers have been dieing. cheney:........So?"
A No heart psychopath.
My take is more that she is clueless. I don't think she had the ability to process what she was hearing. I used to teach speech, and her response was akin to the student who lost her place in her notes. In a mixture of panic and bravado, she charges heedlessly forward with no understanding of what is occurring around her.
To me, this was another moment when I thought to myself, "What kind of fool would put such an obviously unqualified person in this position?" God help us if the American voter can be won over by a pretty face and a wink.
Ex-Canuck @ 21:
Hiding behind those crosses while conducting a crusade in the middle east that is resulting in genocides
Anyone who was not touched by that moment and the emotion that came from Biden is just plain heartless. My husband said his own eyes welled up when Joe came to that moment.
I saw it as a rerun today and it grabbed my heart. All she had to say was, Senator Biden, I appreciate and admire you for what you were able to do.
Did you see how Palin's approval numbers on the CNN chart headed for the floor everytime she mentioned "Maverick"
Attack the "Strength"
Greg
But but but...I heard it was a tie! So the hockey mom wins, right?
None of this discussion of merit or experience matters of course, if there's no way to guarantee that the votes are all counted, or counted accurately. And that's how they win. Again.
I agree that this was the point where the true difference between Biden and Palin was made painfully clear. He shared a genuine moment with America, a moment that allowed people to see the heart of a man that has lived through great tragedy in his life. And, all Palin could do was rattle off some talking points. Whatever happened to some decency? She should have at least acknowledged his loss or shown some sympathy. Are we sure she's not a robot?
Patty @ 11:
... I copped that from another thread ...
"Bush with Boobs" is still my fav.
She's simply a white trash redneck, what do you expect?
I love the way she keeps using her precious "special needs" child as a stage prop. Pathetic. That kid is less than a year old and yet he's kept awake until the wee hours. Palin had that kid on stage at the post-debate rally. What was it, close to midnight in St. Louis at that point?
This was great. Whether Biden meant to or not, he went from having to fear being called sexist, to turning the table on Palin. She looked like the sexist when Biden spoke of being a single parent. THAT was an awesome piece of strategy. Whether it was intended or not.
YES!
THANK YOU FOR POSTING ON THIS!
earl @ 30:
I've heard 'Bush with a bush.'
all she had last night was rehearsed talking points. nothing more, this segment highlighted it perfectly. she was not listening, she was not debating, she was moving on in her preprogramed mind. only a selfcentered heartless bicth would not have taken a pause and felt that moment.
and the whole "folksy" thing was pissing me off because we had 8 years of selling us BS with a "folksy" salesman named W.
Yeah, this bimbo is the Real McCoy, She swallows and does not miss a beat. Power to her is the true turn on. If Cheney and the Neocons give her the drivers seat, watch out.
candideinnc @ 24:
YES! Exactly. If you look at her eyes, she didn't really know what else to do. She was acting cute during most of the debate. She made lil jokes and "say it ain't so Joe" like comments to get the audience to be entertained. This moment stopped all the entertainment, and brought it back to reality.
I love it.
Look...the bottom line...MechnaPalin didn't have an oil leak or have a bolt fly off and hit Gwen Ifil in the head...so based on the expectations set...she "won".
Biden made a good case, IMO, about the choice here, and it is a clear choice. Even the American People, the somnambulistic sheep that they are, can tell the choice. They have heard the same mantra that they are hearing from Palin, from the Republicans for 28 years. Cut taxes for rich, don't punish the rich, cut taxes on businesses, raising taxes hurts small businesses (I'd like to know WHAT small businesses...the fact is the corner hardware store is GONE, the town drugstore is GONE...they have been Home Depoted and CVSed), less regulation...blah blah blah blah blah.
Even the dumbest among us, no the words and now have seen what those words have wrought.
The choice is clear. Joe Biden pointed that out last nite very clearly, and the fact is that all Sarah Palin did was repeat the neocon plan for the Middle East and the supply sider's plan for the economy.
The choice is clear.
Man. She is a fuckin dork
Dale @ 32:
Spot on. Palin, the preprogramed, wind-up doll showed that she is sexless (and mindless), while Biden came through as the person with emotions (and brains). Yet the MSM keeps ranting on about how Palin "connected to middle America'....
while there have been times that I have really not liked Biden's vote on some issues. This man does not lack anything in the sincerity and depth. departments Each one of his answers demonstrated his in depth knowledge of issues and negotiations.
He really impressed me during the John Bolton not nomination hearings
and one more thing, that "can i call you joe" with an open mic in the beginning was just so she could launch her prepared zinger, donchya know. what a fake ass bitch she has shown herself to be. you betchya.
candideinnc @ 24:
The same fools that put up George W. Bush and have been running the country for the last 8 years.
The other night I was on the phone and I mentioned "Caribou Barbie" when my youngest daughter was in the room... She thinks it's going to be her birthday present.
I tried to explain to her there was no Caribou Barbie doll. Yeah, that didn't go over well.
I think her notes were a list of possible questions with their possible answers. Also were a list of "when he says this, you say this."
When Biden said something unexpected, she just picked one and went with it.
Her "role" was completely scripted, and she acted like "Sarah Palin" instead of being Sarah Palin.
Gosh darn it..."Winky" Palin didn't have answer. I'm shocked, shocked to find "Winky" is so shallow and clueless. By the way, for those of you that heard that McCain is going to pull his ads in Michigan, rumor has it that he is also going to stop trying to appeal to voters nationwide with an IQ over 80.
That moment really highlighted the differences between those two.
Here you have Biden, a man who's dealt with some real adversity in his life, who ends his statement with an empathetic statement that people out there are hurting and need actual help.
Palin is completely unphased both by his personal story *and* his statement about American needing help, and just moves right back into her talking-point sales pitch. In fact, I think it was only a minute or two later that she said something about granting the VP more power.
Talk about a sharp contrast.
She's Chatty Cathy with glasses... Out of 300 million Americans we're offered this CREATURE? What an insult, but what do you expect from these traitors after what the House did to Americans today. No doubt Bush's pen caught fire in the haste to sign the bill that's made us ALL "Po' folk".
Unscripted and moving. Biden was great yesterday....he accceded all of the expectations that Obama could ever want from him. And Palin's response was "John McCain has always been the maverick" in an annoying whiny voice was unbelievably pathetic. If only Palin had a soul, she could then feel shame.
LegallyBlonde @ 5:
Exactly! No empathy for anyone, not a still-grieving husband and father, or for her children, including poor lbaby Trig, dragged out waaaay past his bedtime to be a prop for his ambitious mother. She repeatedly had to look at her notes and, I understand, flip through them while Biden was speaking so she could rely on them for her next response. Dontcha know?
What do you expect? Whatever soul she may have had she must have sold away long ago... along with most of her brain.
absolutely accurate analysis.
Thanks for affirming our (my) sanity!!
One other angle to think about with Biden at the podium and speaking about his family: the next day he sent a son off to go to Iraq.
One more thing. I understand she was on Faux whining about Katie Couric. May I remind her of her own words in March, when she was chastising Hillary for, and I quote, "whining," suggesting women candidates should shut up and "work harder." Well, Sarah, take your own advice: quitcher whining and work harder! Not that you will ever surpass Joe Biden for intelligence, respect for the law, empathy and warmth ...
I thought it also rather heartless to tell a man that because his wife is a teacher she will get her reward in heaven. Especially when this man's first wife and his little daughter were killed in a horrible car accident.
Just the suggestion of what would happen after his second wife's death was way too much.
I thought it was kind of weak.
boys aren't supposed to cry.
I haven't cried in like 5 years or more.
*shrug*
***
expect Malkin and Hannity and Limbaugh to pounce on this.
FOX is going into full "rehabilitate the witless" mode for Palin. Here they give her a second chance to name her favorite Supreme Court cases:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3r9YnOvSJw&eurl=
(Did she say hee-dious?)
What no Good Golly O'Molly, or heckerino?
I can't figure out, is sarah's channeling Sandra Dee or Ned Flanders?
Here's who sarah reminded me of:
http://inicia.es/de/estrellaee/sraflanders.jpg
"He's a maverick!"
"John McCain's a maverick!"
"I'm a maverick, just like John McCain!"
"What can I say: we're a pair of mavericks!"
"We're a team of mavericks!"
"That's just the kind of thing a maverick does!"
That's why he picked me: 'cause I'm a maverick, too!"
AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
PLEASE,
KILL,
ME.
I can't take any more of her.
Rush Limpballs will say he's faking it. Like he said about Michael J FOX.
This portion of the debate made me tear up. I talked w/the people watching the debate with me, and we determined there was absolutely no way any answer she could have given after that response would have been anything but retarded.
One thing I haven't heard anywhere is that this double standard for women. If a man talked the way Palin did last night, he would have been laughed off the stage. She's WORSE than Bush when it comes to folksy/winky/scrunchy nose-ness. Can you imagine Biden or Obama saying "We, darn it, gotta not allow the Talibani." I'm so sick of the right all of a sudden screaming "sexism" just because we hold Palin to an equal standard as say...Hill Clinton. When many women work very hard to be well-spoken and knowledgeable about the issues, and to betaken seriously only to be undercut by this blathering idiot who is allegedly representing all women.
burnt @ 56:
A man expresses the strength of his love for his family and you call him weak?
joeedugan @ 59:
I think she may very well be the most irritating pol the GOP has ever put out, and they've put out some doosies. I can't stand stand her.
If that little baby had no problems, would she drag it up on stage with her? They hand the little thing around like it is someones binkie or something. I'm not a mother and never have been but I did a hell of a lot of babysitting as a teenager. I know how to carry a little baby. I know that you don't take little babies out late at night and you sure as hell try to avoid taking them into big crowds of people. Plus I would never allow a little kid to carry a baby around as Palin allows her youngest daughter to do.
She would have the same reaction if it were a member of her own family. He is soulless and EVIL.
Not much mention in the blogosphere of Palins pledge of allegiance to Israel last night. She repeated with gusto Joe Lieberman and other warmongers endlessly repeated and unsubstantiated claims that Ahmadinejad said “Israel should be wiped off the map” hogwash.
Professor Juan Cole and others have debunked these claims
http://www.juancole.com/2007/0.....mitic.html
“As most of my readers know, Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for ‘this occupation regime over Jerusalem” to “vanish from the page of time.’ Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed. (Wampum has more; as does the American Street)”.
How many times are we going to hear this debunked claim repeated? Over the last three years I have heard Lieberman endlessly repeat this along with McCain, Ledeen, Bill Kristol, Cheney, Terri Gross, and many others repeat this false quote. Will we ever hear any media person challenge this endlessly repeated false claim?
I agree. Biden single-handedly shot down Palin's monopoly on being a parent. He showed more about the concept of family than Palin could.
Holding Trig alone will not summon enough depth of feeling as Biden's tears at that moment.
And what got me is that Robo-Sarah went on without acknowledging Biden's pain. That alone shows what a ruthless, little conniving woman she is.
Republicans have no concept of genuine.....their entire platform since Nixon has been disingenuous....
The GOP died with Eisenhower, its as simple as that...
She could have said, Senator Biden you did a great job raising your sons and it shows.
Yeah, when she was spouten off about how hard it is to raise a family and send the kids to collage and off the war I was sitting there thinking "Joe is going to eat her up on this because he has kids. His family was ripped in half. He rides the train to and from D.C. every day. He had to send his kids to collage. His son is on his way to Iraq or wherever." Then when Biden actually spoke he was saying exactly what I was thinking and when it got to the point of his demolished family I was thinking what that would be like right at the moment when he broke. You know how that works, in a split second but you can understand how it would be. I have a kid who is 13. And he is the most important thing in my life. If I lost him I don't have any idea how I would cope. I just had the feeling that Palin was acting as if she was the only one who could know what its like for families in this fucked up country when she really has no idea. Even though Biden has more than a huge majority in this country he does not really have that much. I think he has less than anybody in Congress. He lives on his salary. Of course it is a nice salary but his only real asset is his house.
Sorry for rambling.
Biden was in a tough spot with this debate and I think he struck a good balance between deference and attack. I do think Palin encapsulates just what the Republican Party is about (overzealous patriotism, religiosity and moralism, a thirst for power while playing the victim and hokey no-nothingness) and a and the debate showed just how stark the differences are between Us and Them.
pissed off patricia @ 64:
She has no emotional bond with the baby. You can tell that a mile away.
And has anyone seen Todd show any feelings toward the kids?
burnt @ 56:
Expect Malkin, Hannity, Limbaugh to be human or to retract their words after realizing the next day he sent a son to war?
Dude, stuff like that weighs heavy on your heart and mind.
Having to run to the ER after a phone call my child was in there, it's a shock you don't get over. It's been years now, but probably the most significantly scared/fearful moments of my life.
theWalrus @ 71:
Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. She's nothing but a follower deeply involved in a cult.
The GOP tries to come up with the ultimate weapon to counter Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTv9AhCuSU4&feature=related
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 72:
All I have seen Todd do is bask in the limelight
joeedugan @ 59:
You made me laugh so hard. Even after someone earlier mentioned that we should assume that Sarah's first question she will ask Vice President Cheney will be "Can I call ya Dick".
I really appreciated the way Biden dragged McCain's "Maverick" myth through the mud. And when he kept saying no different than "Bush" as he went through a long list of similarities between McCain and Bush.
pissed off patricia @ 69:
That would have taken class - something Palin utterly lacks.
Kathleen @ 66:
Of course that whole part of the debate was for Florida.
Kathleen @ 66:
We know the claim isn't true.
But if the GOP repeats this claim long enough, their followers will still believe it as gospel. Just think even now there are people in America who think Saddam Hussein had a hand with 9/11 even though that has been debunked too.
I aam gratified that someone in the media,namely C&L has made this obsevation. I was telling my husband,(who's offshore and unable to view during LIVE debate), that her UNEMPATHTIC response, on the sincere and genuine statement of loss from Biden-spoke volumes as to her having been totally programmed for rhetoric as oppsed to reality. She seemed clueless -wouldn't you think a NORMAL person,especially a woman with a "special needs child" would have had the decency ,and comon bond,to acknowledge this man's human and parental decency under adverse circumstance ,and the grace to acknowledge it?
"She could’ve shown some empathy"...
She wouldn't even know where to begin.
pissed off patricia @ 76:
POP I shared your comment about Sarah at a debate watching party last night "every time Sarah opens her mouth, she makes me feel so smart" Classic. Folks were trembling with laughter
pissed off patricia @ 76:
Tell me about it. Todd is nothing but a hanger-on.
Although, I read somewhere that he's been complaining that Sarah's not spending enough time with the family, lol.
burnt @ 56:
Are you for real or is the sarcasm just going over my head?
Interesting to see that line in the bottom of the screen. As soon as Palin starts to speak the attentionspan drops, at least I think that's what the line means.
And an amusing way of cutting off Palin at that moment.
About senator McCain: "He's taken sh**..."
Hahaha!!!
I think we could have a good chat, Grandma Jefferson, commenter #49, and I. Your comment that Sarah Palin is "Chatty Cathy with glasses" made me laugh; it also defined where I'd seen her before, since she looked vaguely familiar but didn't sound like anything or anyone in my world. Ed Rohr, #47, you are wrong about McCain's appeal to people with IQ's under 80. I have learning disabled students with measured IQs in the 70s who all hate McCain, think very little of Palin, and they all want Obama. Old men and snippy sharp faced chirpy women just aren't very appealing.
I can understand the Republicans wanting to build a programmable ROBOT for their VP candidate. They've already tried the programmable IDIOT method with Bush, where they could program him with talking point, win the election, and then have him just take orders from his neo-con masters. The only problem was that, like a number of other actors who've gone into politics, after awhile he actually started to BELIEVE that he was the character he was playing. The decisive, stalwart, Marlborrow Man. So, when Daddy Bush sent in James Baker to save his ass in Iraq, Bush Jr. blew him off.
WTF? THAT wasn't supposed to happen! Okay, so this time, instead of teaching some spoiled rich kid how to ACT like a regular guy, they figured they'd just find a Jane SixPack and PROGRAM her. However, as robotic as she may seem here, if those neo-cons think that HER ego is not going to eventually get in the way of their plans they're dreaming in technicolor. Didn't these guys ever read Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN?
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 80:
three years ago I started marking down how many times I heard unsubstantiated claims about Iran and the Iranian President repeated. The list is long.
I have yet to hear one person in the MSM challenge McCain, Lieberman or the long list of people who repeat this lie.
Kathleen @ 83:
It is my pleasure if I can bring laughter to anyone these days.
earl @ 30:
Bush with bush?
RuthlessPeople@63: "Irritating" is right. She reminds me of nothing so much as the super-annoying next door neighbor on a crappy 80s sitcom. The actress Edie McClurg ('Small Wonder', 'The Hogan Family', 'Ferris Bueller's Day Off.') has the same awful, high-pitched Midwestern voice and used to play a lot of those neighbor roles. Maybe Sarah should do the country a favor and get out of politics and head off to Hollywood for the Big Bucks.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 72:
That whole clan simply creeps me out. Even through the tv...you just feel "nothing". You don't feel anything between them, between them and the kids. It's like their all dead inside.
It's funny...my gf is a pretty upfront person, and she is a minister's daughter. She grew up basically all over the world, as her father was a missionary. She really likes Obama, and she enjoys the interaction between Barack and Michele. She will often say...they're not just happy...they're connected.
Oh...LOL...she also says...he's "slammin' her BIG TIME! LOLOL!
Joe Biden brings a precious gift to American politics, and that gift is unrestrained candor. It gets him into trouble sometimes, but when I hear him speak I know he's being genuine, always, no matter the topic.
That moment where he spoke of his family last night resonated deeply with millions of Americans, both women and men. I think his choking up was brought on not solely by the memory of the tragedy that he and his family underwent, but because he felt a combination of humiliation and exasperation at having his own family experience nullified by Palin's blithe ignorance of it.
Liberal AND Proud @ 93:
I have never, in all of my life, seen a baby sleep like that. I am convinced that they are giving it tylenol or benadryl or something. And who's stupendous idea was it to let a 6 year old carry it down a flight of stairs! We almost had a Britney Spears moment at a national debate. As if we aren't the world's laughingstock already.
J.C. @ 85:
sorry dude. thought I'd get a bunch of crap for this. like most Americans, I have family too. and I've had to deal with terrible family issues too. I do most of my crying alone, like in the bathroom. its how I was raised. there's very little I'm afraid of, but crying in public is one of those things. I am most definitely not "a man who's not afraid to cry."
father figures need to appear strong, like nothing can knock them down. its our cross we have to bear. its a stereotypical, unfair expectation... but its an expectation nonetheless. a lot of right wing blogs have already pounced on this. I don't think it'll cost the DNC any points, but in all honesty, I cringed when I saw it... and the people I was watching the debates with - men and women - cringed as well.
nobody ever saw Patton cry. nobody ever saw Eisenhower cry. nobody ever saw Reagan cry. nobody ever saw Roosevelt cry. nobody ever saw John Wayne cry. *shrug*
pretty classless, though, for Palin to change subject from deceased family, to "IM A MAVERICK!!1" =\
Now this may come off as bitchy, but where I was raised there were lots of Assembly of God churches. The female members of these Apostolics were NOT allowed to wear makeup. cut their hair, wear short dresses, or be in positions of public power. Palin is a member of the Assembly of God churches. How is it she exposed her body in a beauty contest an allowed herself to be "prayed over" by a witch doctor ? The conservative preachers in this country aren't having fundamental orgasms the way they did with Reverand Wright-WHY NOT?
Fanon @ 95:
After the presidential debate was over and the handshaking was over, Michelle and Obama walked off the stage with their arm around one another. McCain walked off the stage and Cindy followed him. Very telling.
L&P, I agree with your girlfriend, you can just tell that Michelle and Barack are a unit. They are a team. I love that about them and I can identify with that sort of relationship.
burnt @ 96:
To each his own. Some people don't cry. Some women I know don't cry. I happen to have been raised by a man who is a big softie. A guy who coached pee wee football and got choked up every year when he gave out the sportsmanship award, a guy who gets teary every year when we take the group picture of the grandkids because he has all of his "ducks" in a row. He was a fireman and a man's man, but just very tender.
I certainly don't think that makes you appear weak. I think it makes you appear human and I have no problem with that.
Liberal AND Proud @ 93:
Oh, and I agree with your girlfriend's assessement of the bedroom situation!
burnt @ 56:
Wow, a real toughman. There's something about you guys whose sister kicked your ass(and still does) when you were kids that seems to compel you to declare your manhood at any chance.
Rob Bartlett had a great line about Sarah Palin this morning: "The wheel is still spinning, but the hamster is dead."
burnt @ 96:
I'm kind of amazed to hear guys still being uncomfortable crying. I really don't understand it. My father who was a major SOB cried when his mother died and I thought nothing of it. He was hurting so deeply that it made him cry. What in the world is wrong with that? I didn't see him as a lesser man, in fact, that was one of the few times in his life that I saw him a sensitive human being.
nobody ever saw Patton cry. nobody ever saw Eisenhower cry. nobody ever saw Reagan cry. nobody ever saw Roosevelt cry. nobody ever saw John Wayne cry. *shrug*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~And If they did, they're probably dead ,too.
Gosh, golly, gee whiz, Sarah is just so happy!!! I feel so good and happy just list'n to her yarns about everyday, common folk.
I wish I could pour more sugar all over her and just eat her up!!
Has anybody thought what would have happened if Obama used cultural phrases and colloquials and gave a "shout out" from the podium during a debate?
Her failure to acknowledge that moment shows what a sociopathic twat she is. The GOP is rife with the mentally ill, and yet they are considered a legitimate political organization, Truly embarrassing for America, truly embarrassing for humanity.
Voting is a joke.
- G. Carlin -
We got the democrates the power they wanted. We got DID NOT get the impeachments the people wanted so bad. The impeachments that laws DEMANDED.
The Federal Reserve system gets whatever they want no matter WHO is in power. They are laughing all the way to the bank,...er, I mean there OWN BUSINESSES!
Lobbying, though FULL of corruption, cannot be stopped.
The Fed, FULL of lies, deceit, fixing, cannot be stopped.
The system, FULL of corrupt leaders. They cannot be touched in any way.
Laws are passed OVERNIGHT to control us. Laws are also passed OVERNIGHT, to protect corporations with immunity. MEGA-BIGGEST bailouts ever passed OVERNIGHT. IT called FASCISM.
This "American Political Idol" bs is getting to be worse than a joke, while NOTHING is being done about the real problems.
TRILLIONS dissappearing everywhere like farts in the wind.
WHO F******* CARES???!!! IT called FASCISM.
Palin is a "babe". Palin, is this, Palin is that. Did you see Palins glasses?
The WORLD is hurting. Are the Bilderbergs hurting? The Oil barons? Carlylse Group?
The MONOPLY corporations? IT called FASCISM, no matter what you say, think, or do. They are getting it ALL. You are loosing EVERYTHING.
What's the headlines on the news this very instant? Right AFTER they got their bailouts?...."NO HELP FOR MAIN STREET". ENJOY!!
the funny thing is, I had a $5 bet with several people, that Palin would cry. totally lost that bet. =\
but the people calling me after the debates to clown on me and say "she didn't cry dude, you owe me $5" were laughing harder at the fact that Biden damn near did cry...
the majority of them are voting Obama. its not some obscure small sect of the right wing. so I dunno... I guess thanks for letting me know that me and so many of my peers are "wrong" for thinking what we were thinking??
regardless, there are a lot of people out there who viewed this as a weak moment. including me. but whatever. I love this site, I love the information and I love the comments. but its a pretty common theme that if you disagree with a post, the community tends to pounce pretty quickly. some might call that loyalty, some might call it "sheeple". I saw Biden get choked up. some might call it "powerful". I - and many of my peers - perceived it to be "weak". *shrug*
Uneducated, small town, menopausal goys should stick to rearing their meth addicted children and trimming their husband's goatees. (Taaaad is soooooooo gay looking.)
I thought it also rather heartless to tell a man that because his wife is a teacher she will get her reward in heaven. Especially when this man’s first wife and his little daughter were killed in a horrible car accident.
Mostly what I thought was that she doesn't understand that if you survive in in the teaching field it's because you get your rewards each day working with the students. Wanda from Wassila made it sound like it was a sacrifice, like you have to be a Christian martyr to go into work each day. I just found it an odd but revealing remark.
Left&Left @ 101:
Ya think if they'd thought it'll work, the reichwingers would put that clip into pro-mcgramps commercials?
burnt @ 109:
how many wives have you lost?
how many of your children were ever at risk?
or do you and your friends get together for a ball-squeezing contest to see who'll cry first or pass out?
that's the weakest post I've ever read.
as a man who's cried for my own personal losses: fuck you!
Joe probably would not say that!
burnt @ 109:
God, this Burnt dude is a regular John Wayne(another pussy in real life).
The woman has no grace. She makes an inappropriate remark after Biden speaks about the loss of his wife and daughter, but also, when the question was how would your presidency be different, if anything were to happen to your primary.
Joe Biden responded what a tragic day that would be for America were anything to happen to Barrack Obama and you could tell he meant itm that it would be a blow to America.
Palin sort of brushed it off by saying, in a rather off-handed way, yeah, God forbid anything happen to either candidate. Now lets talk about me, my mavericky nature and let me get on with my talking points. She's counting on something happening to McCain and she could care less if it does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1JgodtIls
I can relate to Biden because my mother died in a car crash back home in PR in 1997.. I think it was a powerful moment to basically be on your way to be a VP, while you miss your lost ones very much. The look on Sarah Pallin when he finished and didn't even cared for biden's tragedy, shows that she's truly an ignorant person.
NOW... Why is it that everyone wants a president or vice president to be a "joe six pack" "hockey mom" "one of the boys", why??? I don't want my president to be as normal as us, look at how well we did with GWB.
C*ntry first!
burnt @ 109:
That's funny, my friends and I had a bet that McCain would cry and he did, with his tail dragging behind him all the way out of Michigan. Too bad White-Trash Barbie wasn't important enough to be informed about it, but then again, they probably did tell her and she just assumed that Michigan was part of Canada.
You and your friends sound like the knuckle-dragging Joe Six Packs that Palin tries tenaciously to appeal to in her trashy sort of way. Did you guys bet on how many times she would wink at you too. Really classy stuff there. Oh Ya, you betcha!
Fanon @ 91:
I can't decide if it's Palindrom or Palin-drone.
(sign me "frosted and fried")
bible spice
SilentPatriot and others,
Palin is a narcissist. It isn't that she's classless or ignorant, altho that could be said, it's that she completely lacks empathy. Other human beings aren't real to her. Look at the way she treats her own children. They are game pieces in a game where only she has the rulebook. Same for Biden and the rest of us. I shudder to think what could happen should the remote possibly of becoming President should occur.
Jose H @ 117:
I think it was John Kennedy, while entertaining about 45 Nobel Laureates at the Whitehouse who said something like "never before has the Whitehouse entertained such genius, except when Thomas Jefferson was dining alone." Joe Sixpack would not only not understand that statement, he wouldn't vote for Jefferson, because he wouldn't feel comfortable having a beer with him and he would further consider him an elitist brainiac.
LCforevah @ 122:
McCain/Fembot 08.
burnt @ 109:
You might call yourself a "tough guy." I - and many of my peers - perceive you to be an "asshole."
*shrug*
great write up and I hope all of America noticed it.
i would add to these points the fact that Sarah observed Biden's moment thinking "oh, good move. I'll have to use that in the future to look even more authentic."
sociopaths don't know real feeling. they only know what it looks like and sometimes when to exhibit that look.
I'm a married white woman with a special needs child who does not support this lying jerk.
Palin couldn`t respond with empathy because her soul is black as sin,nuch like most of the people who worked on and passed the Bailout Blunder
The funny thing is, narcissists are never really high functioning. Someone may possibly explain to her the faux pas in not responding to Biden's choking up, but she will probably not understand and therefore not learn from the mistake. As we are finding out, her sneaky, vindictive and self-serving behavior as mayor and governor is coming back to bite her in the behind. The luck it took to become governor of her state will not hold.
LCforevah @ 122:
That also describes the man in the oval office today.
what about all the kids who died as a result of Joe Biden arguing in favor of the Iraq war ? ... how about a tear for them ? . or the 500thousand that died under clintons sanctions .
Please don't go pro war C&L, when Obama gets in, we know he's going to be a interventionist : ( .
sully18 @ 127:
It's the Bush debates "uniter not a divider", "bringing dignity and integrity back to the oval office", "mine won't be a nation building administration" all over again, only this time it's Slick Sarah with "we're mavericks", "we won't discriminate", "we're going to fix this financial mess".
Chimp said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
burnt @ 109:
hahaha! OMG dude! I bet you have a drinking game for when another US soldier dies in iraq. that's a heap of fun too.
hahaha! you have some super priorities there. good one. hahahaha!
go back to your buddies and tell them how much fun you had getting the folks at crooks and liars so upset. I understand why you enjoy the site so much. good fun!
I'll enjoy laughing at your pain when mccain is elected and you wonder why you are paying so much in tax that you can't troll any more. dayam. good fun.
Real men cry. It's just that simple. Because crying cleanse the soul. Then you feel better. Sounds like bullshit.
But it's true.
Sarah looked at Biden's emotional moment and saw nothing in it to benefit her, so she moved on.
pissed off patricia @ 129:
Too. True.
Ruthless People @ 60:
When is that jerkoff gonna finally OD or have a heart attack? I'm getting sick of waiting...
burnt@109
"I saw Biden get choked up. some might call it “powerful”. I - and many of my peers - perceived it to be “weak”. *shrug*"
Are you one of those tough guys who bought into the BS parental shaming comment,
"Big boys don`t cry?"Just like my creepy cousin who when shake his handat family gatherings he squeeses as hard as he can to prove what a man he is.
Burnt @109,you need some therapy and new friends .
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND AN ASSHOLE IN THAT ORDER.
pissed off patricia @ 134:
LCforevah @ 128:
Yes, you are mostly right. I think she will learn, though, that next time someone has a moment, she'll try to give a little "sympathetic" look.
POP, you got it!
garcia @ 133:
Just because a human is a male, doesn't mean they don't feel emotions just as women do. If a guy feels emotional about something why should he hold back? I personally admire men who are sensitive because those guys are usually the most caring and considerate guys in the world. I know, I married one.
Just witnessed a miracle------- I saw two Obama yard signs in Amarillo, Texas! Thank God for the internet because Texas is inundated with lying McCain ads.
pissed off patricia @ 134:
Thanks Patricia.You nailed it
Drilling solves nothing (aka right wing hater) @ 68:
No, the OLD Republican party died with Eisenhauer. The GOP (Gang of Pigs) was spawned from his prophecies...
They don't call her sarah barracuda for nothing.
when someone called out to her on the campaign trail to ask her about the wolves ad, she say hey, it's a controversial bill and you gotta do what you gotta do!
wants to:
ban books
kill wolves
charge for rape kits.
I guess we shouldn't expect her to show any real emotion. Just watch out when she doesn't feel supported!!!
joeedugan @ 59:
I know how you feel. I hope this doesn't sound too silly but I've actually been in tears today over the thought of her being elected with John McCain. It's a nightmare of a thought for me. I am seriously depressed over what John McCain has so callously done to our country by choosing her. To hear both of them mentioning "Country First" is a lie. A very painful lie.
The Truth Hurts @ 31:
not only that...down syndrome baby's have much higher risks for getting sick than even a normal baby does and he is only 6 months old and 1 month premature, so technically 5 months old and she's swinging him around like a sack of potatoes, passing him around like a rag doll...
no surprise though, since she TOOK HIM to see reporters after he was just THREE DAYS OLD -- wtf is up with that?
oh yeah, something doesn't add up alright....
i know it's so typical for a 44 yo woman that gives birth prematurely to a down syndrome baby to show up with the baby in tow 2 days later to work to go to an energy meeting -- and doesn't take a single day off work to be with him.
something's wrong with this woman big time!
sully18 @ 137:
Hahahaha ! sully, I'm going to steal that from you!
kcjen @ 145:
ya, I've been saying she's a pretty lousy mom ever since we first heard about her.
but what would I know. I'm an insensitive knuckle dragger. ;)
kcjen @ 145:
Wait until he's older and he can't interact with her the way ordinary children do. His special needs will be getting care elsewhere. Out of the sight of the public if Palin can manage.
Miro @ 20:
someone should do a poll on whether or not people "shuddered" or "felt a cold shiver down their spine" when listening to Palin. I cannot remember how many times I have encountered that very sentiment in my cruising of the toobz today re Palin.
Yeah, this bimbo is the Real McCoy, She swallows and does not miss a beat. Power to her is the true turn on. If Cheney and the Neocons give her the drivers seat, watch out.
As a McCoy, myself, I resent that remark. ;-)
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