Pat Buchanan: Palin won because Drudge's poll said so!
By SilentPatriot Friday Oct 03, 2008 8:45am
Pat Buchanan gets laughed off the Hardball stage by Tweety and Bob Shrum for saying that Palin won the debate because she topped Biden on the Drudge and AOL polls. Forget CBS and CNN, you know, the real pollsters. If non-scientific polls on sites primarily frequented by right-wing nutjobs say Palin won, then dammit, she won.
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Buchanan: "Well, I mean Drudge found it 70-30, AOL found it 500,000 split."
Matthews: But those aren't polls. Those are people emailing in on conservative blog sites. We can do those! [laughter]
Shrum: "For Pat to be citing, like, the AOL poll or the Drudge poll which is set up, shows us how much he wants to do cartwheels because she didn't commit a pratfall on stage."
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The woman is a nutbar. But I can understand her popularity. She's an unknown. It's all Obama has going for him as well. Perhaps, just perhaps Americans are sick to death of "experienced" political scam artists.
What a nutbag.
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Why the Hell does anyone listen to Pat or Bay Buchanan? They're both supreme douchebags with absolutely no regard for anyone who isn't ultra wealthy.
Is it too much to expect that even pundits should have at least a modest degree of objectivity?
Oh no she won it alright.
She's hollow, devoid of substance, thinks that the un-examined life is worth living, believes in looking forward and having no sense of history or memory (memory's for computers), she identifies with most American people and, evidently, most American people identify with her.
America, meet your new vice president.
America, meet yourself.
Every pundit who claims she won points to her folksy, non-political insider, quality.
Her first words were asking Biden if she could call him Joe.
This was a calculated, sleezy, setup to say the "say it ain't so" soundbite.
She's a complete phony.
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Just like Palin during the debate, the pundits are reading from the cue cards.
You have to remember they don't really believe this shit. They are paid to get the republicans elected.
Thats like saying the folks who work at McDonalds like the food.
The Taarak poll has Biden winning 100%
In defense of Palin, I'd like to say that in the event of a citizens' uprising, I'd want her on my side.
She's a great shot, knows how to live off the land, knows how to deal with babies, all kinds of shit.
I love the fact that we're getting closer to outright constant mockery of clowns like Buchana and Drudge. Besides jail time, it's all they deserve.
curtilingus@9
Yes, Buchanan does believe this. He is so drooling over Palin he isn't thinking straight. But when does he ever? Why is this man on TV 7/24? Same goes for Wolfe. Whenever Buchanan gets backed into a corner he starts that laugh, like I was just kidding guys. He is a repug hack through and through.
Can we just text in our vote this election? Its seems so much more secure, do-able (find a polling place, yuch). Its a more familiar method of voting the kids will like and ads excitement to the election.
I'm sure ATT and the other telecoms would be happy to gather the votes and give the election to the winner. (two separate, unrelated tasks)
The bar for a credible Palintological performance was set so low, baby cockroaches couldn't have scuttled under it. She simply could NOT fail to appear to have exceeded expectations, and that--for some obscure reason recently, probably as a consequence of the Chimperor's own campaigns--qualifies as a 'victory.'
She radiates that idiotic arrogance of "salvation."
She's becoming the person Murka wants, NOT to have a beer with but, to go to church with. That's a much more dangerous, scarier 'candidate.'
shrum nails it!
Anyone see conan last night?
Funny skit that was auditioning for Palin look a likes. It was done in the style of the controversial calvin Klien ads where a rough voice over tells the models what to do and asks them creepy questions. They were all celebrities that participated.
"Show me you Palin!"
Drudge is not a credible news source. All that pitiful site has is links to other news sources cut and pasted by one very biased wingnut in an apartment in Miami. I feel sorry for people who go there for real news.
Buchanon is an antique and irrelevant. His value in the year 2008 is only for laughs on how full of shit bigots and gasbags used to be.
VietVet8666 @ 11:
Likely, however, unless you pray at her church/sacrificial altar, she is not likely gonna want YOU on HER side, brudda. You think too much...
bag of old doorknobs 50 % ----------- Palin 50%
We WIN!!!!!!!!!!
"If non-scientific polls on sites primarily frequented by right-wing nutjobs say Palin won, then dammit, she won."
Right!
People just need to come to C&L to see who won! (pot/kettle thing...)
Did you hear the old tard call out frank luntz. I mean they do everthing to give red meat to the low information voter the believers christian/conservative/believers.
Im guessing she won the read the cue cards and not answer the fucking question debate.....
Pat Buchanan seems so totally desparate at these reporter roundtables lately. He usually got to the yelling stage and talking over everyone just to make his republican/christian coalition point further into any discussion. Now it seems he's on some energizer meds, like a gerbal on acid, starts with one calm sentence and then zap!!!! mighty mouse talking above the fray!!! It's always been hard to listen to him, but now it's got a touch of absolutely comical.
woody, tokin librul @ 19:
But consider this: there are no atheists in a foxhole. We'd be fine on the same side so long as the uprising continued.
Thank you very much for my first major laugh of the morning.
Funny how CNN's "reaction meter" during the debate showed women reacting more unfavorably to Palin than Biden as the night wore on . I thought she was added to the ticket to grab the Hillary vote ?
Heckuva job there, Karl .
Meander @ 12:
I couldn't agree more. Jail time is the right time for the pack of liars in the bush admin and the MSM!
I have renewed my passport.
ConcernedCanuck @ 1:
if thats the case i dont think they are going to get well soon!
well dog gone it, and golly guys (wink, wink) she did win. i can hardly wait until folksey sarah engages with various foreign leaders and calls them "you guys." what a girl, what a president.
Here is Palin's pratfall:
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"Man, no matter what you say you are gonna get clobbered," Palin told Fox about her heavily-scrutinized performance. "You choose to answer you are going to get clobbered on the answer. If you choose to pivot and try to go onto another subject that you believe Americans want to hear about, you get clobbered for that too."
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/03/palin-says-obama-comment...
Poor Palin. If you refuse to answer the question, people think you are an idiot. If you answer the question idiotically, people still think you are an idiot. What's a girl to do? Wink, I guess.
This lady has then has the gall to criticize Obama for telling the truth about our "strategy" in Afghanistan. I suppose that is another question that she should have "pivoted" on.
It's almost, I repeat almost, enough to give the reality-based community a laugh when the Buchanans actually open their collective mouths... Is it their quest to just try to keep the Raygun/Gingrich era alive for the NeoNuts or is it that they like the makeup so much (more and more required each time)..??
These folks have LONG outlived their relevance in any context and to listen to them try to be relevant is getting real old. It must be the exhaust from the GoPac (newt's training school for the next generation of nutbags) KoolAide trucks but something is getting in their Metamucil!!
ConcernedCanuck @ 1:
Indeed, that's all Obama has going for him?????? Try watching something besides Faux News; or if your level of literacy allows, try reading mainstream print media. To say "that's all Obama has going for him" outs you as either a partisan or a "fuckin' idiot".... or maybe both
Buchanan is, at core, a social-con who is deeply dedicated to that core belief. He doesnt give two shits about McCain but Palin he sees as the messiah.
Olbermann mentioned the M word in his worst person last night in regards to the guy who was all hot and bothered because Palin winked at him. Geez. I saw Clinton (Bill) and indeed he had an aura about him that you could not miss from a distance. Well that is all nice and good but that does make a good VP especially one who only wants to answer questions she wants asked to answer to a people she thinks she has the answer for. Clearly she will not ever sit down with Mike Wallace or Bill Moyers where they might dig deeper then her perfectly coiffed bangs.
I think I might be sick.
Bill Maher went after palin last night , wink wink, but mahers as dumb as a woodpeckers cock, he asked bob woodward why the surge in iraq worked, woodward says its a secrete he wont be able to reveal for two yrs because the powers that be asked him to withold the answeres, hell bill you dumb shit everybody knows bush has been paying the war lords in iraq not to kill us, next question you dumb shit!
txlvn @ 24:
Ideologically.....I never agreed with the guy.... but at the same time I always thought he was not stupid and could sometimes transcend his political prejudices..... but lately and on Sarah Pallin whom Bill Mahar correctly characterizes as a "Category Five Moron", Pat Buchanan is fast become the Repub version of Bagdad Bob........ indeed.... Bagdad Pat
i found this story on the google news page earlier... i almost hate to pass it on 'cause it seems so off-track... i mean, i thought she sounded kinda like an elementary school teacher, or a cub scout leader... tsk-tsking at us unruly spenders... i dunno, but here it is:
Debate analysis: Palin spoke at 10th-grade level, Biden at eighth
(CNN) -- An analysis carried out by a language monitoring service said Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at a more than ninth-grade level and Sen. Joseph Biden spoke at a nearly eighth-grade level in Thursday night's debate between the vice presidential candidates.
[...]
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.words/?iref=mpstoryview
Wesley James @ 34:
I strongly agree, I get tired of all the meddling Canadian opinions on this American site sometimes.
#27 - I think that would actually be... Heckuva job Rush Limpdong
Wesley James @ 34:
Too strong, Wesley. Canuck has a point. Obama's got lots of ability, but his votes on big issues e.g., FISA and the bailout) suck badly, and he's deep in the pockets of major (evil) corporations.
Wesley James @ 38:
"Category five moron"........perfect!
The difference between Palin and Obama is that when I went to see the unknown Senator speak in Seattle two years ago, I felt that I learned something. When I see Palin speak I feel that I am watching a tryout for Fox News anchor (which is probably what I AM seeing, come to think of it.) Is it too much to ask that our politicans be competent and informed?
In my ideal world I would not have to be choosing based upon competence -- that should be the minimum requirement for the job. McCain is not and never has been competent; the high point of his career was graduating nearly last in his class. Palin seems to have been chosen precisely because she was a model, "journalist", and that she won't show up McCain. It is rather unbelievable what the Republicans have come to.
Where is the critical thinking from the chattering class pundits who say she survived or did ok ....???? Anyone with a room-temperature IQ and a highs chool education would have realized that she was dreadful, painful to watch, a category 5 moron.
For those of us who are non-Americans, and witnessed this spectacle from outside the country, we saw something markedly different than even your most liberal partisan pundits who generously and perhaps even grudgingly give her a bare pass. What we say was a woman who had no business being on that stage and probably no business even being the governor of a sparely-populated state. Tracy Flick the fictional character playing a candidate for school president in the movie, Election, would have blown her out of the water.... That's how bad she was.
At the risk of being a meddling Canadian I make this comment as to Pallin's debate performance..... and also ask the following question:
Look why do so very few Americans realize that her very candidacy is a national embarrassment? That she was able to provide somewhat coherently canned non-answers to the questions asked of her does not result in partial marks for that question.... it should result in no marks.... zero.
Look its like her taking an exam [which these debates sorta are] and filling in her own answers to questions that she's studied for and prepared for as opposed to those questions actually on the paper; and then getting marks for penmanship and style.
This woman is not just a moron.... but as Bill Mahar rightly stated..... a moron with cyclonic force, a Category Five moron.... making landfall on Nov 4.
Should she not continue to wane in the eyes of the electorate the damages she will cause will make Katrina look like a summer shower.
ConcernedCanuck @ 1:
Obama is an unknown, in the same way as Palin? Nonsense. Obama has been in about two dozen debates, and has been interviewed thirteen gazillion times in the kleig lights, answering one hundred gazillion questions with nary a one producing a deer-in-the-headlights Palin moment. NO -- COMPARISON.
I think, beyond her ignorance, what's killing Palin is her fear of questions. She could have answered that Couric newspaper question any number of ways but she couldnt think of the "safe" answer and so ran away from it. She was scared.
George @ 44:
OMG!!! If Palin (fingers crossed, praying, performing voodoo, using all sources available including harry potter spells) fails at becoming VP you have just outed where we will see her!!! I can actually visualize her as a member of the Hannity, or perhaps O-rally program!!!! Faux!!!! have you already sent her an offer???
Wesley James @ 45:
Palin's candidacy establishes, for all who care to see, that the candidates don't really matter to those who hold power and pull strings. The candidates are just the front people, and mere puppets.
George @ 44:
As this article incisively points out, voting for either Obama and McCain becomes an exercise in futility. Both claim to be offering change but it ends up becoming a delusion as well as a falsehood.
http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/2008/09/evil-of-lesser-evil.html
The talking point that Obama is unknown is part of the strategy to make him seem like an unsafe and exotic outsider. It is quite contrary to facts; anybody who can read can learn more about Obama than we have known about any other Presidential candidate. Pop quiz -- where was John McCain's high school? For extra credit, where was he born? Where was his father born? What did his mother do? What did John do after he returned from Vietnam? How old was he when he married Cindy? (Who was he married to when he dated her?) Anybody?
Anybody who has even marginally followed Obama knows the answers to those questions on Obama's side.
Right now, the polling website I check is showing no change. Palin wins only in the sense that she didn't make a horses ass out of herself like she did during the Katie Couric interviews.
I think "it's the economy, stupid" this time, and people will have to decide if they want Mr. Deregulator or Obama.
(Need I say, register to vote, if you still can)
If Pat Buchanan didn't say these kinds of things the networks would have to pay another person to say them. If the networks were to just tell the truth all of the time the Reich Wing would not stand for it. Everyone know that the truth has a liberal bias. Corporate media must be balanced and what the truth is in today's world is all a matter of opinion.
Aren't AOL users still on like... 56K modems?
Ah, the same morons who said Gore=Bush are out again to say Obama=McCain. Do you really believe Gore would have invaded Iraq? Who knows what nuttiness McCain will lead to.
The last AOL online poll I saw showed Senator McCain winning all 50 states (and presumably the District of Columbia).
No matter what happens in the election, the one thing I'm absolutely sure of that isn't going to happen is ...
Rasmussen Reports debate poll will be out later today. SHould be interesting.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
richard @ 7:
I had to suffer through Clannity (no satellite or progressive radio in my rental car) yesterday rave on and on about how she "killed Biden" in the debate, and that McCane needed to "follow her cues" in his next debate with Obama.
The level of stupidity and arrogance of that asshat is truly amazing. And the fact that millions of "great Americans" give the cocksucker three hours of eartime says a lot about this country. Sad.
Wesley James @ 45:
Well said!
tyree @ 37:
proof that woody still carries booshwater.
bubba @ 57:
more "interesting" than drudge?
Palin was too cutesy by half. All that darn right, you betcha, doggoneit, and wink winks was for the men. Men constantly polled higher than women on CNN. Most women know when they are being played.
That aside, the elephant in the room was Gwen Ifill. She did not come anywhere close to doing a decent job.
Pat Buchanan might be auditioning for a job on FOX with this one. Of course he was on McLaughlin Group with the same story, but old John McLaughlin didn't call him out on it as usual.
I doubt that Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe will either on Monday morning.
Here's Rasmussen's new debate poll. 45% Biden, 37% Palin
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
Buchanan and his equally ugly sister just lie through their teeth whoring for the Repukes and this awful, wicked, clearly unqualified and embarrassment to the entire Nation, VP candidate. To suggest that Palin won referencing "Drudge" should have had everyone laughing to tears.
bubba @ 64:
There's a depressing statistic; 37% of the represented electorate either imbeciles or delusional partisans
I keep picturing a cartoon in my head: a drag strip with the Biden dragster revved and ready at the line. In the opposite lane, Sarah Palin in full fire suit regalia, with her crash helmet, sitting on one of those little plastic Big Wheel tricycles. I know Pat Buchanan is an intelligent man, and can see that she is out of her league. I wonder how he can sleep at night after claiming she "hit it out of the park" because she stood next to Joe Biden for 90 minutes without wetting herself.
Anyone one who thinks Palin won that debate is fried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZSh1diQRQ
It's time to turn the tide against ignorance in this country. Stop tolerating it. Those who wallow in their stupidity like pigs in slop should not be allowed to vote or breed.
Canuknotusa @ 21:
A far point. EXCEPT that you didn't hear (Well, I didn't hear anyway) any talking heads on TV using C&L as proof that Biden kicked the tar out of her. ;o)
It amazes me how truely out of touch Buchanan and others in the punditocracy are compared with progressive or reasonable thinking people. There is absolutely no shame or embarrassement in citing Drudge or AOL as a legitimate polling source. What a loon!
Now is the mother of all attack ads phase. This is when the Repugs scrape the bottom of their vilest pile and it will be personal as they have already said. Just how bad will it be? I wouldn't be surprised if it is the ultimate race card. Painting Obama as some kind of undesirable. Also in the next few weeks the closeting of Sara Palin, and McCain avoiding any questions about the economy. The big risk here, is this is the period when the ignorant majority get their sound bite for the elections, this is what is going to carry through. If the Repugs attack ads are successful, and they usually are, I would like to know:
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO UNDER A PALIN PRESIDENCY?
My guess, is that you will whine about it, come and hide in the C&L thread because that's the only place you've got left. Eventually, you will surrender, and live like a repressed citizen because you have no home, no job and you are breaking some new law that has been created to oppress people who try to create any form of protest.
With the exception of a few, most of you leaving comments here are lost in the magical rainbow fairy-dust land that Obama promised you.
Palin is down to earth, and closer to relating to anybody in the normal world then any of the Washington insiders that are running.
Obama's plans Shout SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. Who do you think is going to pay for all these retarded ideas. US TAX PAYERS! Not The Non-Tax Payers, that will reap the reward of spending our tax dollars. All I hear is we HAVE to HELP THESE PEOPLE, OR HELP THOSE PEOPLE. Whatever happened to self-relliance. The more we give, the less they have to do for themself. We have enough people depending on the government to take care of them. Now Obama thinks we should give them even more.
Social healthcare will only overwhelm our already stressed healthcare system. The second free healthcare goes into effect, the hospitals and doctors offices are going to be over-run with people. Whenever I go to the hospital to service fire equipment, I see the emergency rooms packed with people that have colds. (COME ON PEOPLE) Imagine how many people are going to be calling in sick. Imagine the perscription abuse that will take place when they don't have to pay for it.
You liberals are so closed minded that you can't see the forest thru the trees. Your eyes are wide shut.
Thats is just one of Obama's down sides. I could go on-and-on.
Wake up people! Bush may not be a great president, but Obama would be worse in so many different ways. Leave it to the democrats to destroy everything our founding fathers faught so hard to preserve.
The first, and second amendments, just for starters.
Some of you democrats have to be smarter then that?
I would hope!
LOL - buchanan is becoming as much of a shill for mccain/palin as the entire Faux News network. He should get off the air - he is making himself look ignorant. Who but a mouthbreather would cite a poll on drudge's screed as valid?
At the same time as an Obama rally that was packed with upbeat people, there was a Palin rally down the street. The Palin rally was depressing and no one was there. Her own people don't like her....HMMMM, what does that say about her ability to lead?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHLTKwshxfs
I wasn't going to reply to anyone in particular, but you are the epitome of stupid! The democrats are the dirtiest mud slingers on the planet.
I quote "Why would she have a baby she knows has down syndrome","She should have aborted it","Anyone that hunts moose don't care about minorities","We want to see a paternity test to see in fact if Palins baby is in fact her's, and not her daughters, that she is trying to cover up for". CASE-AND-POINT. YOUR PARTY IS THE MOST VILE OF LOW-LIFES.
As for the life I will live under McCain/Palin, I'll tell you. A much better life then under Obama.
As for people complaining, are you talking about the democrats, because thats all they have done since 2000.
NoBuddy @ 52:
I put in a change of address a few weeks ago, and hadn't heard anything back from the registrar yet, so I was getting a little concerned (FL registration closes Mon). I happened to stop by the Orlando-area Elections Department office (about 200 miles from my home) at 7pm last night, since there were still cars in the parking lot. Even though they had closed at 5pm, the guard unlocked the door, let me in, and a worker there, still busily adding new voter registration forms, took the time to confirm that I was indeed registered at my new address. Made my day!
George @ 32:
Palin has the typical Repub bully mentality---they want the ability to criticize with impunity but immunity from any accountability. Like most selfish bullies, they can dish it out but when called on their BS, come unhinged. They have this arrogant, authoritarian belief that whatever they say is the absolute truth and can't be challenged. Just do what we say, not what we do.
So Sarah, if you don't like criticism, get out of politics because it's not a job for the thin skinned and weak. No surprise about the comment from Fox, they are enablers for the Politboro's propaganda.
I wonder what Criminal Barbie will say if they hand down an indictment against her next Friday?
Canuknotusa @ 21:
this is where people who already arrived at the obvious come to engage one another. you're a pest, that's all.
richard @ 7:
Yep. It was like watching a monologue. Palin gave the performance and Biden was an (unusually informed and intelligent) heckler in the audience. He rarely succeeded in throwing her off script.
Rico @ 5:
YES
Shrum was right on one thing: Although Palin did launch an array of nasty, previously debunked smears against Obama, she did almost nothing to defend John McCain from the attacks launched by Biden.
It's a lot harder to prep for all the possible defenses needed to parry the many lines of attack available against John McCain and the catastrophic BushCo regime.
KickSave23 @ 70:
But if you had, do you think Amato would post a blog criticizing it as partisan, or touting it as a great achievement?
I've been a great fan of this site for a few years - also HufPo. But lately, I've been turned away by what seems to more and more blatantly partisan views than progressive ones.
I've already given up on getting news from TV. Newspapers are still viable, but less accessible than the internet.
I'm going to have to do some searching for more progressive blogs, because I've lost faith in getting a fair deal from sites like this.
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