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Executive Producer of The Professional Left Podcast. On staff at Crooks and Liars since 2007. Master's degree from Harvard. Happy wife of Driftglass. Mother of three geniuses. Obsessive knitter. Blogs at http://bgalrstate.blogspot.com. .
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Edwin's picture

Just finished my last class at this school. I'm free!!!!! :)


far left loon >.<

fastfeat's picture

Are you still getting laid off? Got job possibilities lined up?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Edwin's picture

Unemployed. I'll look for a job later (summer). No Korean teenagers for a while. :) :)

I'm going on tour. First stop Thailand. (Not exactly bummed.)


far left loon >.<

Tim REALLY misses Japan's picture

Where are you going? I visited Phattay and Bangkok when I went. LOVED Thailand. Considering I could almost live on my disability, I wouldn't mind living there.


"Better." It's what we should ask of ourselves and of our leaders.

Edwin's picture

That's the ticket. Cambodia is even cheaper. I could afford to retire there one day and the people are lovely!!


far left loon >.<


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Geronimo.'s picture

Here's the true story on Mr. Lyndon Johnson.

This is the "wink" photograph, a shot of LBJ receiving a wink from Congressman
Albert Thomas after the swearing-in, the day John F Kennedy was murdered in Dallas. Both Johnson and Thomas were members of Suite 8F Group, the origins of a company today known as Kellogg, Brown & Root. With Kennedy out of the way, the war would remain on schedule, Johnson would be President, and both men would be rich. Mrs. Kennedy reluctantly washed her face of her husband's blood for this swearing in.

Description: L-R: Congressman Albert Thomas, Lady Bird Johnson, President Lyndon B. Johnson, Jacqueline Kennedy, Lem Johns (back), Congressman Jack Brooks, Bill Moyers (back wearing eyeglasses)


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Stupid Git's picture

Thanks Geronimo. While this tragic Coup was possibly too far back in US history for many to still think of as relevent, there is an often said axiom that applies, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." The difference here is the history is not known, so I'd rephrase it to say, "Those who don't know about the past are condemned to repeat it "

Was catching up on C&L posts a bit ago and read your replies on the Ron Paul thread. It's amazing how many people hold such hatred of a man that has terrible solutions to real problems yet happily cheerlead for a sitting President who is ramping up the war on dissent, the Bush Doctrine, oil drilling and coal mining, wealth re-distribution to the elites and domestic surveillance.

Personally, I'd prefer to have someone with non-insane solutions to champion but with the liberal's throwing Nader under the bus a decade ago, banishing Kucinich because "he's unelectable", and being too gutless to support third party movements the only person we have with a platform speaking about the most urgent issues of war powers, domestic oppression and so much more is Ron Paul. It's like they feel that just by allowing him a platform to speak their dear democratic leader will automatically lose. I wish they could open themselves up to seeing how vital it is to have a voice in the mainstream talking about all the dirt everyone else sweeps under the rug. They don't have to support him, but the special kind of hatred they have for him over all the other Republicans is pretty baffling... and sort of telling.

I think the scariest lesson from the JFK assassination is the realization that there really is no separation between the mob, the CIA, the FBI, our government, a lesson we see repeated over and over in scandal after scandal.

When I and some of my neighbors got involved in trying to clean up the police corruption in my neighborhood back in the 90s we ran smack up against retired military intelligence running the drug trade in the local bars. The corruption is everywhere.

And now our Imperial President has embraced covert operations (read: CIA paramilitary) just as President Eisenhower did as an alternative to invasions and troops on the ground. What few people recall or understand about those peaceful years of the Eisenhower administration is that the covert operations he approved set the stage for years of subsequent US-backed wars in Central and South America, Vietnam and the Middle East. During those years the CIA overthrew the elected govts of Guatemala and Iran, and took over the role of the French in "South" Vietnam.

So what Obama is doing now is planting the seeds for, potentially, decades of conflict to come, though to the average American it looks like "the wars" are winding down.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Phoenix Justice's picture

Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!

www.PhoenixJustice.com

MountainMan23's picture

Common Dreams also had a write-up on Nathan Kleinman, "The First Occupy Candidate", running for Congress, as a Democrat, in Pennsylvania's 13th district against Democrat Allyson Schwartz.
Coupla links too.
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/02/08

http://www.nateforcongress.com/


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Awesome!


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Ape-Man's picture

Yes. Let this be the beginning of something big.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Ok, now they have my attention.


"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns

Reid Sneaks SOPA Back Into Senate With New Name

Senate sneaks in SOPA under a new name — RT

Rep. Lamar Smith, Top Border Security Hawk, Invested In Border Monitoring Tech Company Before Gov. Grant

Eric Cantor strips strict lobbying rules from STOCK Act

Corporations are once again ruling the day...


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Edwin's picture

Corporations are once again ruling the day..

When did they stop?


far left loon >.<

Geronimo.'s picture

I imagine few Americans know about the drones over the U.S., the NDAA, that SOPA is not dead yet, that the STOCK Act is being watered down. It's a sad day in America.

Everyone was so happy fighting back against SOPA only to find out we have traitors in our own party, including Harry Reid, the leader.

QUESTION: Why do we trust our government with 8,500 Nuclear Weapons, but not to administer Health Care?


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

MountainMan23's picture

ACTA: Europe Braced for Protests Over Anti-Piracy Treaty
Obama has already signed trade agreement worse than SOPA, PIPA
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/...


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Ape-Man's picture

Eric Cantor strips strict lobbying rules from STOCK Act

eric cantor is a very bad man. He's a mobster. A villain. Hiding in plain sight. Sheeple awake.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

MountainMan23's picture

Eric's wife administers the Virginia Retirement Fund at the bank that has been sued by the Virginia Attorney General for cheating the Virginia Retirement Fund. Same bank that made sizeable donations to Eric's campaign right after they hired his wife.

Yes .. a real sleazeball mobster.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Geronimo.'s picture

And yet why doesn't the progressive left media figures bring up this fact every time Eric Cantor's name is mentioned. Repeat the message and facts every fucking time and end this bull shit. Thanks Mountain!!


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture

As a Congressman, Cantor is virtually untouchable unless the House steps in and investigates and prosecutes any findings. Am I correct? (I never liked thinking this was correct, but as I understand it, it is.)

We are ALL equal under the Law...
... Or some are above the Law to which the rest are subject too?

In short:
We are either a Nation of Laws or a Nation of Men.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Geronimo.'s picture

A top Pentagon official admitted that the U.S. government may have misjudged the actual threat posed by Al Qaeda in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Study: Terrorism by Muslim Americans is “a Minuscule Threat To Public Safety”

Americans Apparently Approve of Murder Based on Political Party

"The Air is Safe to Breath..."

Nearly 300 NYC Cops Diagnosed with Cancer Since 9/11


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

MAY ????????!!!!!!!!!!

Rummy was the Secretary of Defense and one of the original PNACers.....

Not that he ever had any 'influence' on that thinking, though......right?

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century [PDF]
A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000

Much more investigation, muckraking, and reporting needed.


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A...


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Sandman67's picture

I recently touched on the topic of what s domestic terrorism in the US...and how little of it actually is attrbutable to arguably muslim individuals. Around 6% according to FBI stats....yet the DHD ignores the other 94% and focusses exclusively on that 6%.

Meanwhile schoolkids, free thinker groups and writers/broadcasters, parents who protest creationism in school, veterans who protest faith flags on war memorials, abortion providers etc etc etc are all the victims of real terrorism. Talk about a factual disconnect....

http://alstefanelli.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/...

Tell me my American chums across the Great Sanity Divide.....how safe do you feel now then?

Geronimo.'s picture

Nationwide Poll: Ron Paul Moves Into Second Place Ahead of Gingrich - Texas Congressman Ron Paul’s support grew by 5 percentage points to 21 percent.

Ter·ror·ist (Noun): Anyone Who Disagrees with the Government

Surveillance drones over U.S. get OK by Congress; 30,000 in the skies by 2020.


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Ape-Man's picture

Good to see. Gingrich deserves to lose real baaad. It might enlighten him, if he were anyone but Gingrich - you can't fix anyone so badly flawed.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Orwell was right...
... The slow creep of a Fascist Police State is making way for the deep imprint of Big Brother.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Rich H's picture

I feel safer already.

of a plane landing at LAX or gets clipped by a LA Co sheriff's chopper. Total shame...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Rich H's picture

Yet another reason not to fly when there's 30,000 of these things winging around.

MountainMan23's picture

Shocking statistics on what self-identified "liberal Democrats" approve of.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Those stats reflect the, "It's NOT when my Party Man is in charge," mentality at play....
... Otherwise known as hypocritical philosophy.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Andy K's picture

...from the preface of his book How Would a Patriot Act?:

During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

So while a shit-ton of us progressives were saying, "No fucking way! This thing is going to last forever, no matter who comes after Bush to clean this shit up!" Greenwald was saying that it was cool...And now turns around and thinks he gets to hold a mirror up to OUR faces? Fuck him, and fuck anyone who buys into his about-face-for-blog-hits-book-sales-and-PAC-donations.

Ape-Man's picture

I don't trust Greenwald. He has it out for the President and ya, i bet it is all about blog hits - or maybe emotional investments are making him myopic.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

who spew platitudes like "God works in mysterious ways" every time they are presented with irrefutable evidence.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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I especially liked this part of the preface:

I never voted for George W. Bush—or for any of his political opponents. I believed that voting was not particularly important. Our country, it seemed to me, was essentially on the right track.Whether Democrats or Republicans held the White House or the majorities in Congress made only the most marginal difference. I held views on some matters that could be defined as conservative, views on others that seemed liberal. But I firmly believed that our democratic system of government was sufficiently insulated from any real abuse, by our Constitution and by the checks and balances afforded by having three separate but equal branches of government. My primary political belief was that both parties were plagued by extremists who were equally dangerous and destructive, but that as long as neither extreme acquired real political power, our system would function smoothly and more or less tolerably. For that reason, although I always paid attention to political debates, I was never sufficiently moved to become engaged in the electoral process. I had great faith in the stability and resilience of the constitutional republic that the founders created. All that has changed. Completely. Over the past five years, a creeping extremism has taken hold of our federal government, and it is threatening to radically alter our system of government and who we are as a nation. This extremism is neither conservative nor liberal in nature, but is instead driven by theories of unlimited presidential power that are wholly alien, and antithetical, to the core political values that have governed this country since its founding.

And the fact that this seizure of ever-expanding presidential power is largely justified through endless, rank fear-mongering—fear of terrorists, specifically—means that not only our system of government is radically changing, but so, too, are our national character, our national identity, and what it means to be American.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

First, that Greenwald himself admits to having acquiesced to that unlimited presidential power ("...I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to..."), and second, that whole false equivalence, "both sides do it" bullshit.

And what's really fucked up is that when Obama actually tried to close the detention center at Gitmo, Congress, as Greenwald would have it, checked the President to keep the fucking thing going- not that Greenwald will admit to that at all.

Greenwald's selling snake oil.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You are a con artist. And revisionist of history.

Your interpretation of what he is saying is incorrect.

Show me YOUR contemporaneous writings on the run up to the invasion of Iraq.

Where were all the progressives writing against the impending war.

There were very few.

Bush had major support.

When I spoke against it I was called a traitor.

The Army's top general, Eric Shinseki said previous to the invasion in testimony before Congress that it would take several hundred thousand troops and cost $200 billion. His civilian superiors said he was way off the mark and it would cost $50 billion.

He was drummed out.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Andy K's picture

COLUMN FOR THE HYDE PARK HERALD FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2002
by Senator Barack Obama, D-13

The following is a speech that I gave at a recent rally regarding the situation in Iraq. The rally was downtown at Federal Plaza and several Hyde Parkers attended:

Good afternoon. Let begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administrations pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars.

And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Queda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Queda, thru effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons in already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not we will not travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Yup, there is a snake oil salesman for sure.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Andy K's picture

Lest you forget, the two liberal Democratic Senators who represent our state both voted against AUMF in 2002.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You keep changing the subject because your arguments are specious.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

on the suspension of Habeas Corpus back in, say, 2006. Were you okay with it? Or were you "bitterly opposed" to it?

Andy K's picture

...I certainly wasn't like Greenwald in 2002/2003 ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to..."). I'm not deferential to any so-called authority on civil rights, be it Greenwald or Obama.

I distrust Greenwald to the Nth degree because time after time I've seen him make arguments based on a cherry-picked subset of facts rather than the full set of facts. All you need to know about Greenwald's methods of argument exists in his actions in defense of Matthew Hale:

"The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;" and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating "a lawyer shall not ... use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of person.""ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001)
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http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=2...
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He also attempted to manipulate the witness statements, per the magistrate's findings of fact-
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"A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

Never mind Greenwald's history as an attorney or his ethics. In the article referred to in this thread, he cites a poll that states, essentially, that most Democrats, even ones who consider themselves "liberal," are in favor of policies they "bitterly opposed" during the Cheney regime.

Never mind if Greenwald cherry picks shit or whatever. He links directly to the poll, which is probably fairly accurate. The point he makes in this article is one that I have been making for lo these many months, which is that most "liberals," including the majority of the commenters and bloggers on this very website, have chosen party loyalty over loyalty to principles. How can someone have been opposed to AUMF, for example, back in, say, 2005, and support it now?

I've actually been perusing the C&L archives trying to find out how people felt about Habeas Corpus and FISA and things like that during the Cheney regime. The posts themselves are clear: lots of enthusiastic links to Firedoglake and even a post or two from Greenwald himself on the matter. But commenter turnover and the implementation of site registration has made it hard to track down the opinions of Obama's current defenders. In any case, it seems clear to me that Greenwald and the "firebaggers" have remained consistent on these issues and that the dynamic lies with the bloggers and commenters.

I'm very curious to know what Ape-Man and Peter G. and Kreskin and other frequent Obama defenders felt about FISA and AUMF, etc. five or six years ago. My guess is that they fall squarely within the outlines of the Washington Post/ABC poll referred to by Greenwald. Nobody was complaining about Greenwald's "cherry picking" or his legal career back when he was squarely in the anti-Bush camp. But now that Obama has continued and even expanded so many of Bush's worst policies, suddenly his legal practice and alleged cherry picking are fair game.

So, again, where did you stand on AUMF back in 2005? Where do you stand on it now? Has your positions changed, as so many other "liberals'" have? And if so, how do you rationalize the shift?

Andy K's picture

...then tell me what you think habeas is first, how it's been defined over the centuries.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

I asked you a direct question. Where did you stand on FISA & AUMF six years ago, and where do you stand on it now?

I can tell you my position hasn't changed in that time. Never mind about "over the centuries." We can discuss history some other time. Right now, the topic at hand is the evident reversal of so many so-called liberals on this issue.

Andy K's picture

Andy, I'm curious to know what your position was on the suspension of Habeas Corpus back in, say, 2006. Were you okay with it? Or were you "bitterly opposed" to it?

The fact is that habeas has been codified into the federal laws in different ways, and the different codifications have been interpreted by the courts in different ways at different times. There are portions of FISA that I think are in line with the law and the tradition of suspension of habeas in times of war, and others that are stretches. It's not an all or nothing thing.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

When Bush suspended Habeas Corpus, were you "bitterly opposed"?

Are you still "bitterly opposed" to Obama's failure to restore same?

How can I make the question any simpler?

We'll leave FISA out for now in the name of not confusing the issue with...yada yada.

Edwin's picture

Nobody was complaining about Greenwald's "cherry picking" or his legal career back when he was squarely in the anti-Bush camp. But now that Obama has continued and even expanded so many of Bush's worst policies, suddenly his legal practice and alleged cherry picking are fair game.

Same with a few others. Jonathon Turley comes to mind.

During bu$hCo. days we had regular posts about his opinions, with video links, but nothing when he spoke up about Obama and the NDAA.

(I actually sent Glenn an email about "Glenn-bashing", here and there, and he replied, but I'm not saying what he told me. Very interesting though.)


far left loon >.<

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

I notice Andy is pulling a Peter G. He always pulls a disappearing act when you back him into a corner with logic. It's happened several times.

Edwin's picture

Take it as a "win"?

Does it really matter in the end? We all get fucked by (R) and (D) anyway, except the 1%.

Maybe it's better when it's your team doing the fucking, but I can't understand why, myself.


far left loon >.<

Andy K's picture

I had to be there at 5pm EST, and I got so caught up in this that I was very nearly late.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

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BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

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Rich H's picture

where you kicked some ass.

Just saying.

:^)

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

Which one was it?

Rich H's picture

But it's always a joy to read.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture
LOL

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Edwin's picture

For the record: anything I'm going to say I'll post here for everyone to see. Don't want people to think I'm slinking around with some kind of hidden (nefarious) agenda.


far left loon >.<

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

for attempting to impugn Greenwald's reputation.

Andy K's picture

His words, his actions.

I'm just showing you where, when and how.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

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Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Andy,
You been reading Greenwald for the last 7 years like I have?

I will say this, people's positions shift and ever since the Bush Spying days of '03, believe me, he HAS changed on what you are propping up as his current position.

I haven't read your book on impeachment or how America has been perverted by a two party system... If you know what I mean.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Edwin's picture

I'm going with BDM, Alice and Embittered. Sorry Andy, but that's the way it is.

I haven't read everything Glenn writes, but I think you are grossly unfair and rather one-sided with your portrayal of him. It makes me question your judgement on other topics.

That goes for a few other "people" around here too.


far left loon >.<

old_55's picture

I thought that's what they did say about it.

Geronimo.'s picture

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Rich H's picture

Agent Orange trying to get into the Vietnamese market. Fuc*ing incredible. More fitting would be for the creators of such death and destruction (to put it mildly) to face the horrors they created personally.

MountainMan23's picture

Many of us have watched his livestream coverage of Occupy Oakland.
http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland

His first post at C&L is an anouncement:

This Thursday, Occupy Oakland is hosting a Citizens Police Review Board and Open Forum on Oakland Police Department Actions at the Grand Lake Theater.

Thursday, February 9, 6:00pm Left Coast Time.
To be livestreamed by OakFoSho.

Agenda and more info here:

Occupy Oakland Steps Up After City Cancels Police Forum
By OakFoSho
http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/oakfo...


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Geronimo.'s picture

California Nuclear Plant Suffered Steam Tube Rupture & Radioactive Leak Last Week … “Very Significant” Event Which Almost Caused a Melt Down


"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

I read somewhere recently that fifty percent of particulate pollution in LA comes from China.

Used to be you could just walk away from "civilization" and take your chances in the wilderness.

Even when I was a kid there were unexplored regions on this planet. Well, regions where no Europeans had been. Now they've got condos on the beaches.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Ape-Man's picture

Yep. We could all be driving electric cars, and it would not put a dent in the global green house gas emissions, as long as China and India are pumping them out at a hundred times the level that American cars contribute. Sorry, but China and India have got to get off the coal, or we are all doomed, especially them.
We do need electric cars though - if only to be rid of the noise and exhaust stink.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

rain one day and it burned. Actually stung the skin. Odd, we don't hear much about acid rain anymore. I don't know why.

Edwin's picture

Good question. Perhaps acid rain just ... err stopped, magically.


far left loon >.<

miss_kitty's picture

and pollution was reduced. There's your miracle--that at one time, we could get shit banned.

Rich H's picture

regualtions had some teeth.

Ape-Man's picture

Thanks Geronimo. Crumbling nuclear plants in earthquake zones will lead to disaster, given enough time.
Not to underestimate the threat of tritium leaks in the slightest, or the dangers of nuclear power plants strewn across the country, or the importance of alternative renewable sources, or the significance of the regulatory commission's sliding goalposts on acceptable levels - [original guidelines all greatly exceeded since nuclear accident in Japan], but there is a little beta radiation everywhere - from bananas, potatoes, bricks, granite, potassium in your body, and from carbon in your body.

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2011/07/10/banan...

It's all about how much radiation. So, since we now know with certainty, that the authorities cannot be trusted to let us know when we are exposed to deadly materials [i.e. New York 9/11] we, as citizens, must determine exactly how much radiation was/is leaked from these plants. What we should be doing right now, as citizens, is organizing our own tests of radiation levels everywhere.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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And just think...
... These steam components are only two years old.

Whistleblower Interview: San Onofre – How Safe Is It?
Posted on February 4, 2012 by Donna Gilmore
http://sanonofresafety.org/2012/02/04/whistle...

NUCLEAR HOTSEAT SPECIAL REPORT

Libbe HaLevy interviews whistleblower James Chambers

A summary of the current status of San Onofre nuclear reactors after last week’s leaks, discovery of over 800 damaged pipes, and employee falling into the radioactive refueling pool. Featuring an interview with James Chambers, a licensed nuclear reactor operator and whistleblower from San Onofre, who offers his unique perspective on what these alarming developments might mean.
(audio)


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture

This hints to a need to install radiation monitors...
... Because there are no such monitors to measure safety levels for the public.

Nuclear plant's neighbors want radiation monitors
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/radiation-...

A week after a reported 'tiny' leak at the San Onofre nuclear plant, several people ask the San Clemente City Council to set up independent monitoring of radiation levels around town. They also request a study to determine cancer risks.

By FRED SWEGLES / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
Feb 8, 2012

Residents worried about leaks from the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station asked San Clemente's elected leaders Tuesday night to have sensors installed around town to monitor radiation levels.

"We believe with recent events at the San Onofre Waste-Generating Station that it is necessary for the citizens' safety and well-being to have a monitoring system," San Clemente resident Gene Stone told the City Council.
(continued at link)


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

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As Chicago prepares for thousands of protesters and journalists for the G8 and NATO summits this May, an Illinois law declaring a felony the audio recording of police officers is coming under the microscope. One representative has filed an amendment to allow for such recordings, a move protesters, who will likely be met with heavy-handed tactics from police, would welcome.

Under the current Illinois Eavesdropping Act from 1961, a person recording a non-consenting police officer can be charged with a felony and 15 years in prison. ..

"I don't believe there is an expectation of privacy for public officials on public property doing public duties," Rep. Elaine Nekritz, a local sponsor of the re-write, tells the Associated Press. ..

In Lead-Up to Mass Protests in Chicago, Illinois Ban on Recording Police Challenged
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/...

Delicious sarcasm in the quote from RT at the end of the article:

Come springtime, the Chicago PD will have to determine which First Amendment guarantee is more important to crush: the freedom of the press or the freedom to assemble.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Geronimo.'s picture

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

MountainMan23's picture

Great video from Anonymous on the Black Bloc issue that details how Black Bloc tactics are hurting the Occupy movement. The video begins with images of the G8 in Montebello, Quebec where the Quebec Provincial Police infiltrated the demonstrators and tried to incite violence.

Anonymous Calls Out Black Bloc 'Cowards'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8UohyYPWA

Anonymous also lays down the law to Oakland City Officials:

Anonymous Message To The Citizens Of Oakland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyuUENNOg5A


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Ape-Man's picture

Oakland cops are very bad people. Mobsters. Turn it around OPD.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Trantorian's picture

The Cancer on Occupy

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/06-3

and a follow up here:

Black Bloc serves the 1%

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/08/chris-h...


"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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But of course an honest cop has nothing to hide, anyway...
... NO?

So why the need to create a shield to "hide" behind, should some cop act dishonorably...
... If we're REALLY talking about an honest police force, anyway?

Crooks and Liars (hey, that's a good name for a blog, /lol) they appear to be...
... Walks, quacks, has feathers; "IT'S A DUCK!" so to speak.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Ape-Man's picture

In Lead-Up to Mass Protests in Chicago, Illinois Ban on Recording Police Challenged

That's just horseshit. Utter un-American police state horseshit. As they say - "If you've got nothing to hide".
This has to be challenged and put to and end pronto. This is the slipperiest of all slopes and we can't let such a ban stand.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

puunjab's picture

Sean Hannity caught on video admitting he is a racist.

Sean Hannity Is A Racist

Enjoy.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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Actually getting Hannity to say it would be considered credible...
... Perhaps the reason Sean credits Bush for OBL kill is because he's a Loyalist Partisan shill?


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Ape-Man's picture

hannity - what a useless miserable old fart. Even when he's trying to smile he looks like he's shitting his pants.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

So THAT is the Democrats' plan!!!!

It's perfect!!! Go so far right of center that even REPUBLICANS support you! Ha!!!:

http://www.westernprogressive.com/2012/02/20-...

Well, there you are.

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! (Thanks to Republican voters!!!)


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Rich H's picture

cast of characters ever to run for the Presidency pretty much sews it up.

brigadier gerard's picture

Obama cowers before religious right on contraceptives:

The rules announced by Obama already exempt churches themselves, a major concession to the Catholic Church and the religious right.

This cowering before those who seek to use religion to limit workers’ access to birth control is one more demonstration that the liberal establishment is neither able nor willing to take a principled stand in defense of democratic rights. The only basis for opposing universal access to contraceptives, which are entirely legal, is religious doctrine. But the First Amendment to the US Constitution has historically been understood to bar the government from making religion the basis of law or social policy.

The impact of any compromise on this issue would fall most heavily on the working class. Under conditions of mass unemployment, cuts in social programs and a corporate assault on wages, the cost of contraceptives for millions of families would be prohibitive. On the other hand, unwanted pregnancies threaten economic disaster for families already struggling to make ends meet...

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/cont-f0...

Geronimo.'s picture

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

MountainMan23's picture

.. just ask the MSM .. they'll tell ya ..


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Ron Paul is the Sen. Paul Simon of his day. (unelectable as President)


"Ironic, isn't it Smithers? This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you." --Mr. Burns

Ape-Man's picture

Actually they gave him several minutes, and they did allow him to complete one, if only one, coherent thought on the NDAA before they moved on to something else. could have been worse - could have been a FOX LIES hack job.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Simon Girty's picture

at the Freedom Law Conference at the Crowne Plaza Hotel? http://freedomlawconference.org/ As long as they don't send any Black, Semitic or Latino reporters or crew, without Lexan face-shields, ceramic vests and ruggedized equipment? Freedom aren't FREE, y'know! Mmm... Government by wet-brain militia death- squad OathKeeper ©, Christian Identity edict & cranked-up company thugs. Cain't hardly WAIT! Why are so many of these Klan wackos from my home state? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kFNYuteAjA http://www.truth-out.org/syngenta-prs-weed-ki... http://www.truth-out.org/occupy-oakland/13287...

Rich H's picture

No wait, he was uninvited to some debates as I recall. No presence whatsoever.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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I dropped a comment and several links in the TEPCO/NUCLEAR thread... WHOA! We are just beginning to witness a major catastrophe. If you think the tsunami and subsequent triple core melt-THROUGH's and lets' not forget about SFP #'s 1-4.

FYI, #5 and #6 aren't behaving themselves, either.

However, back home here in the States, know we are NOT safe.

And to top it off, do NOT forget that the WORST nuclear disaster area is in Washington State.

Plan developed to clean up highly radioactive Hanford spill
By Annette Cary, Tri-City Herald Feb 6, 2012
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2012/02/06/1815...

... Radioactivity in the contaminated soil, which is about 1,000 feet from the Columbia River, has been measured at 8,900 rad per hour. Direct exposure for a few minutes would be fatal, according to Washington Closure.
... (continued at link)

Acute Radiation Syndrom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_radiation_...
Please keep in mind that for ONE RAD as listed in the Hanford article, it is equivalent to .01 Gy.
In this chart, note that at 30Gy it is instant death by exposure. That translates to... 0.3 rads.

Now, if anyone wishes to counter that nuclear is clean, know this... TOXICITY that kills is NEVER "clean", unless the definition of "clean" is like TEPCO's definition of "cold shutdown"... A LIE!


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Ape-Man's picture

... Radioactivity in the contaminated soil, which is about 1,000 feet from the Columbia River, has been measured at 8,900 rad per hour. Direct exposure for a few minutes would be fatal, according to Washington Closure.

Ouch! I'd like to see a chart that compares exposure levels to health risk I'll see if i can find one.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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It's the wikipedia link I posted.
It shows the effects to amount of Gy exposure... If that's what you mean.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

Ape-Man's picture

D'oh!. ya thanks.
Now we just need to take our own measurements - never forget the fact we trusted the authorities when they sent people into the area where the twin towers fell, and said it was safe, just to keep commerce going, and now those people are dying. They have proven beyond any doubt that they cannot be trusted to inform us of dangerous conditions.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Tequila's picture

The origins of Black History Month. Denzel on being waterboarded for his new movie. NOTW settles w Steve Coogan over hacking for $66,000. Speaking of settlements, Cali and New York are ready to be low-balled by the feds over faulty foreclosures. Judge tosses case seeking rights for orcas. News Corp team accused of risking journalistic sources. Not like it's stopped them before. Britain denies that it's militarizing at the Falklands. U.S. and Japan decople Marines move from Okinawa to Guam. Twenty-eight airports to test lower-hassle screenings. Sarkozy is against military action on Iran, for some reason. Boehner wants to overturn Obama's prescription rule. Senate resolution against containing Iran? Roland Martin suspended over alleged homophobic remarks. Degeneres respondswomen. Watchdog fines Ernst & Young over audits. Despite being mentally ill, MS executed man for 1995 robbery. Mother cites being late for work as reason she forced son to walk alongside her car. Then you're not really a liberal Catholic. MD governor and Al Sharpton support gay marriage. CO student got a misdemeanor charge for glitter-bombing Romney. Via @yahoonews:

Why we believe incorrect information, even after it's been corrected: http://bit.ly/zE2MsB Mom sues city for $900 trillion – yes, trillion: http://yhoo.it/zrOK28 Republicans vow to overturn #Obama’s birth control coverage rule: http://yhoo.it/yv1mw4 Washington state lawmakers pass gay marriage bill that the governor is expected to sign next week: http://yhoo.it/xbuNwd (via @laura_ynews) Teen pregnancy and abortion rates fall to record lows: http://yhoo.it/x1fY2Q Mom in China gives birth to a 15-pound baby: http://yhoo.it/xGCcnd

Via @21stprincipal:

More on Obama administration's raising drop out age http://bit.ly/z4NwqF Raising drop out age will do nothing. Obama admin wants to train 100,000 new math & science teachers http://wapo.st/xoPIZK It won't help unless focus is on rentention.

Via @billmaher:

The difference between Roseanne running for president and Newt Gingrich running for president? With Roseanne, liberals know its a joke.

Via @mmflint:

Sean Hannity Says If Obama Had His Way, Bin Laden Would Be Alive -- And He Can Prove It!: http://mmflint.me/zXztRr It's great to watch Hannity and the right wing try to reconcile the real world with the crazy world inside their own heads. (From The Onion) "Obama Openly Asks Nation Why On Earth He Would Want To Serve For Another Term" http://mmflint.me/yaVwAh The state of California has eliminated ALL state funding for every library in California. http://mmflint.me/xPzor3 #OWS

Via @latimescitybeat:

Naked man climbs downtown LA tower. Police try to coax him down: http://lat.ms/Aj4ASA Panel rejects a push to make East LA its own city: http://lat.ms/AyLtJe

Via @isaacada1 and @digitaltrends:

Cable companies lobbying FCC to force customers into using set-top boxes http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/cab...

Via @sirkowski:

Conservative Conference Welcomes White Supremacist Speaker http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/201... via @SlogFirehose Survey: Majority of Catholics Favor Birth Control in Health Care Coverage http://bit.ly/AkiKBz #LGF CPAC Panel Will Feature White Nationalist Leader Brimelow http://bit.ly/z6md4m #LGF

Via @davidbhayter and @albertbrooks;

With Santorum losing one day and winning the next it's hard to know if he's a top or a bottom.

Via @animeresearch and @brainpicker:

"Sex is not the binary system we think it is." A biologist takes on the gay marriage ban http://j.mp/xGn12Xhttp://j.mp/AkDKlB

Via @ebertchicago:

"The Zuckerberg Tax." How the rich get off tax-free. One way or another, we pay. Dearly. http://nyti.ms/yYSwtF

Via @animenewsdotbiz and @zacbentz:

America needs to stop caring about sex and marriage and get a goddamn hobby.

Via @joethepeacock:

Blogged: The Top Five Regrets Of The Dying http://joethepeacock.blogspot.com/2012/02/top... You're human and I love you for it. You should too.

MountainMan23's picture

after 2 in the east .. I'll check back in 8-10 hours see what y'all have posted ..

Zzzzzzzzzzzz


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Edwin's picture

4:15 pm in the Far East. My colleagues are taking me out to eat tonight. School day almost done and then the freedom starts.

Sleep well.


far left loon >.<

Trantorian's picture

My brother lives there. He loves it. Me? I live 7 miles from San Onofre. But I do love Socal climate so.


"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper

Tim REALLY misses Japan's picture

The phrase that served me best in Thailand was, "Mai pen rai, krop."

It means something like, no problems or no worries. Handy phase.


"Better." It's what we should ask of ourselves and of our leaders.

Ape-Man's picture

Time to make PEACE.
So quit forking starting wars! War is NOT a rationale for peace.
War Made Easy - Full Length


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

You mean like Obama's undeclared wars in Yemen, Somalia and Sudan? Or the violation of the War Powers Act that was the Libya invasion? Or the CIA and NATO secretly arming the Syrian protesters? Or the unmanned drone attacks in Pakistan? Those wars?

Key provisions of the STOCK Act, the bill to bar insider trading by lawmakers, were removed in the latest version unveiled Wednesday in the House by Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/insi...

When will GOP voters demand that GOP politicians stop supporting corruption within congress?

When?

al2o3cr's picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Sp...

Didn't even need Faux Nooz. The wingnut stoopid is old and deep...

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

"During the Bush years, Guantanamo was the core symbol of right-wing radicalism and what was back then referred to as the “assault on American values and the shredding of our Constitution”: so much so then when Barack Obama ran for President, he featured these issues not as a secondary but as a central plank in his campaign. But now that there is a Democrat in office presiding over Guantanamo and these other polices — rather than a big, bad, scary Republican — all of that has changed, as a new Washington Post/ABC News poll today demonstrates:

The sharpest edges of President Obama’s counterterrorism policy, including the use of drone aircraft to kill suspected terrorists abroad and keeping open the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have broad public support, including from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

{...}

The poll shows that 53 percent of self-identified liberal Democrats — and 67 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats — support keeping Guantanamo Bay open, even though it emerged as a symbol of the post-Sept. 11 national security policies of George W. Bush, which many liberals bitterly opposed.

So basically, as with nearly every other segment of American society, including so-called Christians and so-called environmentalists, Democrats -- even so-called "liberal" Democrats -- are a bunch of two-faced ass hats. And as Greenwald puts it, "Repulsive liberal hypocrisy extends far beyond the issue of Guantanamo."

Fully 77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones, meaning that Obama is unlikely to suffer any political consequences as a result of his policy in this election year. Support for drone strikes against suspected terrorists stays high, dropping only somewhat when respondents are asked specifically about targeting American citizens living overseas, as was the case with Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemeni American killed in September in a drone strike in northern Yemen.

And as Greg Sargent writes, "It’s hard to imagine that Dems and liberals would approve of such policies in quite these numbers if they had been authored by George W. Bush."

Even Josh motherfucking Marshall supports this shit. Can you honestly tell me he would've supported the extrajudicial murder of a US citizen during the Cheney regime?

So fuck all you Vichy Democrat Obamapologist dickheads. To paraphrase Greenwald, you are authoritarian cultists.

MountainMan23's picture

Alyona talked to a contributor to FDL about these disgusting statistics and asked him why he thought self-identified "liberal Democrats" support drones, executive-ordered assassinations, etc.

His rambling answer, boiled down to its essence, was that many "liberal Democrats" call themselves that because of the wedge issues - women's reproductive rights, LGBT issues, etc., but are perfectly comfortable with the "mainstream" position on sacrificing civil rights for more security, trusting our government when it says it has secret evidence that justifies extrajudicial executions, etc.

Sadly I think he was correct.

IF we had four political parties - rightwing, conservative, liberal and truly progressive - these "liberal Democrats" would likely split 50/50 between the conservatives and the liberals.

Anyways, I stopped calling myself a "liberal" back in the 90s when it became clear to me that mainstream "liberals" frequently copped out on basic civil rights issues when they applied to groups they didn't agree with. Bunch of hypocrites.


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Edwin's picture

Guess I just have to refer to myself as a far-left loon because I don't support any of that crap by an (R) or (D). It's fascist and sickening.

This explains a friend I have that vigorously claims to be a leftie, but supports war and carrying a big stick and putting "the Middle Eastern rabble" in their place, etc. She's for women's equality/rights and a tree-hugger though.

Edit: What I hadn't realized before is a lot of people are not liberals or progressives at all, they are merely 100% pro-Dem, no matter what. That's just as bad as the Teabaggers and I give about the same respect to both.


far left loon >.<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8Dv15FtsM&fe...
Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss the latest discoveries of blackholes in the financial universe and the populations growing permanently poorer as a result. In the second half of the show, Max talks to Dr. Yanis Varoufakis about financial horror, a currency from which you can't escape and the Greek situation.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/robosigning-now...
In other words, got foreclosed on for being unable to make payments? YOU GET $2,000! And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you buy an election using taxpayer money.

In the largest deal ever to address the housing crisis, federal and state officials on Thursday announced a $26 billion foreclosure settlement with five of the largest home lenders.

The deal settles potential state charges alleging improper foreclosures based on "robosigning," seizures made without proper paperwork.

Most of the relief will go to those who owe far more than their homes are worth, which is known as being underwater on the loans. That relief will come over the course of the next three years, with the banks having incentives to provide most of the relief in the next 12 months.

The deal is the second biggest state settlement ever reached, trailing only the $206 billion settlement reached in 1998 between state attorneys general and the tobacco industry.

I dunno, seems rather small and quickly reached to me. What do others here think?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

$26 billion is a drop in the bucket.

fastfeat's picture

Anyone surprised?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

SKdeA_Miss1929's picture

Payments at the end of the loan life mean the HAMP loans actually make the banks even more $ than the original loan. I know, I got a HAMP modification. Better than being kicked out, but not a great deal.

the clowns are all here at the CPACker conference, beginning today.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

MountainMan23's picture

breathing .. or something .. anything else !!


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

fastfeat's picture

first for U.S. in over 30 years, per TeaNN.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

player on the Knicks who's been playing really, really, well. The question was, Is Jeremy Lin the real deal?
It's broken down by states, 47 states say yes while N.D., S.D. and WY say no. They don't even have NBA franchises there. It must suck to be asian and live in those three, besides, they probably aren't aware Jeremy is Asian American and graduated from Harvard.

Probably think of him as some broken english guy from China coming here to take their jobs away. I wonder where they got that idea.

fastfeat's picture

Kinda hard to dribble a basketball on ice and snow?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines