Open Thread
By bluegal Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 7:30pmHappy Watergate Day! (It's the 37th anniversary of the break-in at the Democratic National Committee office at the Watergate Hotel, DC.)
H/T Talk of the Nation. Thanks WeberLaxMan55 for the "All The President's Men" digest.
Open thread below...
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...seeing a tiny, one-paragraph story about the break-in, and saying, "Ooh! That's gotta mean something!"
--oh, and FIRST--
. . . to mark the occasion, break in architect G. Gordon Liddy will hold his palm over 37 lit candles on his wingnut radio show? That, Chuck Colson getting "GOP Jesus" and Cheney Rumsfeld's "Unitary executive" theory are the only lessons learned by the righties after Watergate. Sad . . .
thinking something was up. 1972 was my first presidental vote and I voted for George.
No way in hell would I have voted for Tricky Dick the Dork.
Asswipe of the lowest water.
....and aren't some of the same players still playing in the game?? Seems not much has changed after all.........:(
Ya and it sucks when you don't clean it all up the first time. You end up fourty years later with a machine in room 308 of the AT&T building that sucks up everything everyone says or types, for scrutiny by a permanent secret government within the government. So if this Bush Cheney mess isn't cleaned up now just imagine what they will be up to in the years to come.
and at my age I probably won't be around when it all goes down....and I'm grateful for that..........I've witnessed all this nonsense for 70 years now.......it gets very depressing and I've grown very weary of it all........can't imagine what the young will be facing in the future.......
thanks for the open thread. i've been reading this New Yorker article from July 2008 by Seymour Hersh on the covert operations authorized by Congress to the tune of 400 million dollars to destabilize Iran.
Here's a blurb and the URL:
"In recent months, according to the Iranian media, there has been a surge in violence in Iran; it is impossible at this early stage, however, to credit JSOC or C.I.A. activities, or to assess their impact on the Iranian leadership."
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07...
then it seems that the CIA didn't learn from their previous dealings in Iran...great...JUST great!!!
It's also the 15th anniversary of the O.J. chase and arrest. I was in a bar that night eating dinner and having a few brewskis while watching that white bronco being chased by police.
I was living in L.A. then as well. I knew Kato Kaelin from a silly film he acted in for the ex.
When I heard that they had discovered O.J. on the freeway with Cowlings because he was "talking on his cell phone" and they tracked him down! and that he had on disguises, had his passport, about $5000 in cash and a handgun (threatening to commit suicide) I couldn't believe it.
When he flew back the day after the murders and had the fresh cut on his finger and gave the LAME excuse that he cut it on a broken glass at the hotel, I thought, "Yeah, right."
The evidence was so overwhelming that he was guilty.
But do you know who I blame to this day for his not-guilty verdict? The D.A. of Los Angeles, Gill Garcetti.
By living in Brentwood, the trial should have been held at the Santa Monica Court House. It's a HUGE building with a giant parking lot. The jury of his "peers" would have looked like all his neighbors....very rich and Caucasion like his wife and her friend Ron Goldman. It would have been the same jury who found him guilty in the civil case.
But Garcetti was going to be running for re-election so he decided the case needed to be moved to downtown L.A. You know what his excuse was? He said it was because there was earthquake damage to the Santa Monica Court House and it wouldn't be able to withstand all the media etc.
Downtown L.A. jury pool...."Not guilty".
Thankfully Garcetti lost the election for D.A. next go around.
Yeah, O.J. is a fool, for sure.
My English riding boots. I bought them on eBay from a mounted cop who was on that beat. His horse got spooked by some balloons (or something), reared and dumped him. He hurt his back and couldn't be a mounted cop any more, and sold the boots. They're good ones!
Where the knife (murder weapon) is? That would be an interesting artifact to discover.
If the evidence was so overwhelming, why did the jury not think so?
I keep wondering....
Cointel, OJ later admitted it in his book, If I had done it. he was also found guilt in the civil trial.
I don't think OJ even maintains his innocence any more.
He sorta maintains he's innocent. He really didn't do anything all that bad in Las Vegas, but he was found guilty because he got away with murder. At least that what he says. I'm sure there's plenty more he's gotten away with and I'm sure he thinks he's entitled to get away with anything he damn well pleases. Glad he's not playing golf anymore. He had too many years of freedom and I hope he spends his last breathing moment in prison.
I've wondered if the jury that found him 'innocent' ever understood what a mistake it is to let a murderer go free.
but did you really read that book? why would you buy it?
Vincent Bugliosi's book on the case sums it up best - the prosecution and defense were not the best of the best. Clark and Darden didn't present evidence that would have nailed his ass to the wall and Cochran played the race card on a guy who really didn't give two shits about the black community.
In Clark's book (yeah, I actually read it) she pretty much admitted the trial was sealed with the selection of the jury. She didn't think that jury would convict O.J. no matter what evidence she presented.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A top Federal Reserve official warned on Tuesday not to take recent gains across a range of asset prices as proof the U.S. economy is on the verge of a strong recovery.
"The panic's hasty retreat should not be confused with robust recovery," Federal Reserve Governor Kevin Warsh said in prepared remarks to the Institute of International Bankers annual meeting in New York.
"The rather indiscriminate bounce off the bottom -- across virtually all assets and geographies -- may be more indicative of a one-time reset, which may or may not be complete."
Warsh said private demand, the true arbiter of economic performance, "remains weak" even while government spending has surged, and the the jobless rate is likely to peak at a higher rate, and linger longer at those high rates, than in recent recessions.
"The 'jobless recovery' may prove to be a familiar and vexing refrain," he said.
"I would expect business capital expenditures and consumer spending to continue to disappoint for the next several quarters," Warsh added.
being boiled like a frog.
From The Real News Channel on YouTube:
Canadians talk to Americans about health care
Canadian healthcare: Fact vs. fiction
The Real News Channel is worth checking out. This article about Iraq war vets who fled to Canada is interesting:
http://www.torontolife.com/features/we-wont-g...
Early night for me. GNA.
doesn't sound like full private healthCare ins. will ever return in canada. the (r) and financial elites don't want this type of program/coverage in the u.s. we can't trust the private insurers to do the right thing. there in it for profit. 14,000 losing medical ins. coverage daily and i also heard 1,000,000 bankruptcies/yr. most due/partial medical bill debt. thanks for the links....appreciated
Brazil, Russia, India and China form bloc to challenge US dominance
With public hugs and backslaps among its leaders, a new political bloc was formed yesterday to challenge the global dominance of the United States.
The first summit of heads of state of the BRIC countries — Brazil, Russia, India and China — ended with a declaration calling for a “multipolar world order”, diplomatic code for a rejection of America’s position as the sole global superpower.
President Medvedev of Russia went further in a statement with his fellow leaders after the summit, saying that the BRIC countries wanted to “create the conditions for a fairer world order”. He described the meeting with President Lula da Silva of Brazil, the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, and the Chinese President, Hu Jintao, as “an historic event”.
The BRIC bloc brings together four of the world’s largest emerging economies, representing 40 per cent of the world’s population and 15 per cent of global GDP. The leaders set out plans to co-operate on policies for tackling the global economic crisis at the next G20 summit in the US in September.
“We are committed to advance the reform of international financial institutions so as to reflect changes in the world economy. The emerging and developing economies must have a greater voice,” they said.
The BRIC states also pledged to work together on political and economic issues such as energy and food security. Co-operation in science and education would promote “fundamental research and the development of advanced techologies”.
The declaration also satisfied a key Kremlin demand by calling for a “more diversified international monetary system”. President Medvedev is seeking to break the dominance of the US dollar in financial markets as the world’s leading reserve currency.
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where is venezuela in all this?
I guess the ZBig plan for US dominance through middle east control is not working.
Oh, dear! Whatever are US corporations going to do? where is smedley butler when you need him?
and worse, we can't conjure up an excuse to invade any of them.
"and worse, we can't conjure up an excuse to invade any of them."
Wanna bet?
into a total takeover of the government and the media.
We have a media that mostly gives us the right wing neocon facsist corporatist nazi version of the news and then the politicians that deliver the message. Can we attack the media more instead of our liberal progressives? Just a thought. I'm sick of them getting away with this shit.
Don't watch!
Avoidance will help with the blood pressure and the stress - which is very important, since it looks like we can't have health insurance.
The pity of being a peon in the Corporate Fascist States of America.
The party is just getting started on this one.
I'm staying this one through until the end.
I don't watch much of the MSM but I get many of the videos here.
What I don't think we should be doing is ignoring what's happening and we should be attacking the media for what it is. Too maany people are burying their heads in the sand by not watching or analyzing the propaganda they are being subjected to.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but on another thread posters were talking about Google searches. I would like to know how it gets decided who gets slotted at the top in a Google search?
;)
becomes a self-perpetuating engine. I could well be wrong though: but for enough cash, I'll get you a definite answer... (/snark)
Oh, that's right, Nixon appointed him. And then Ford pardoned Nixon, after he vowed he would not.
"Corrupt Republicans" is as redundant as "Cowardly Democrats."
What a country.
If I didn't have to be at work I was glued to the teevee constantly. Wow! What a show! I couldn't wait to see what John Dean's wife would be wearing the next day. Ha!
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article2...
It's tough to swallow for those of us who had faith that he was finally "the one".
Kinda like thinking you've finally met "Mr. Right" only to discover a few weeks later that he's just like all the rest...
unfortunately.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article2...
Well, it looks like everyone's gone to bed.
And here I am in The Berkshires where the birds are already going at it loud and strong!
EST sucks sometimes!
When I get up in the morning, C&L is half-way through the day. Before I go to bed the morning's first story is being posted. I'm used to it. (Asia)
Guess you have to wait a few hours. Ho hum.
"Happy Watergate Day! (It's the 37th anniversary of the break-in at the Democratic National Committee office at the Watergate Hotel, DC.)"
And things have only gotten worse since then. The Republicans have done everything they can to run this country into the ground.
Some things never change.
Mousavi has called for another mass rally today, called a "Mourning" rally for the now over 30 killed by government soldiers in the ongoing protests over the Iranian elections.
And these rallies are getting bigger every day, despite the Iranian government's attempts to block International press coverage and even Twitter.
There will be more leaks, I'm sure... I'm going to check in with Nico Pitney's updates at HuffPo as the day goes on.
Another way to stay on top of what's going on in Iran is through Citizentube which is lining up the YouTube videos coming out of that country (and note that the government has managed to block about 90% of those videos already)... the last video reports available since the broadcast networks were cut off.
Between Twitter and YouTube we are seeing a tremendous influence of the Internet on this ongoing protest activity... not something governments have had to consider in the past.
Under The LobsterScope
I've read so many conflicting things about Iran, I just don't know what to make of the whole situation there.
and the Republicans have been extracting their revenge ever since.
Morning Joe has become nothing more than an infomercial for Joe's book. Where else could he get that much advertising for free? Second question, why the hell did I just pay attention to almost an hour of that dreadful show?
:-)
my comment never appeared. Gremlins in my computer lately...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/keit...
I keep getting "An error has occurred, please try again". Upon refreshing the page, I get a message to install the latest Flash player version, which is already in place.
Could just be me...
June 1976 -
At the Varsity 1
All The Presidents Men
I'll be at DQ sipping a cool one.
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