December 03, 2009 08:30 PM
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Executive Producer of The Professional Left Podcast. On staff at Crooks and Liars since 2007. Master's degree from Harvard. Happy wife of Driftglass. Mother of three geniuses. Obsessive knitter. Blogs at http://bgalrstate.blogspot.com. .
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But the doesn't the commitment to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by July 2011 make the whole affair of deciding what to do AND the sending of the 30k troops seems like a blatantly political act?
David Sirota has a great piece on the subject here.
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So it takes a few days for reality to filter in to me. The upside is I bet I'm less chronically nauseous than most people.
Sirota's piece is interesting, but I'm not sure I agree.
He posits three possibilities:
Sirota rules out number 1, since Obama is not the idiot his predecessor was. He doesn't like options 2 either, and explores the horror that is choice 3.
I dunno. I think it's number two. I don't think he's dumb enough to concern himself with the third one either. I mean, sure, he considers his image to a certain extent, the way any politician must, but he also knows that FUX and gang are going to label him a weak, socialist Nazi Muslim no matter what he does.
Obama never actually promised to bring anyone home by any time. He said that this move would
To me, that sounds like, "I hope that in two years things will be better, but you know how these things go, and if we have to put in even more troops in two years, so be it."
The president has escalated the Afghanistan war since the beginning of his term this year. Incremental steps. I don't think there's really a plan to stop.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Hey! Give the surge a chance to be announced before judging it. Then we can wait to see if the surge will work before condemning it. Then we can change the subject - before we talk about bringing any troops home.
I was listening to Randi Rhodes today or yesterday.
She said it came down to 3 options. He picked the one with a timeline.
It could have been alot worse.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
That the timeline coincides with his re-election campaign, and that is doesn't specify how many nor how long the timeline is means his options are as open as he needs them to me.
have a conspiracy theory about what Obama's real plans are but we can't have a conspiracy theory about what the real reasons 9/11 happened?
If I remember C&L's rationale from years back, its policy vis-a-vis 9/11 conspiracy theories had nothing to do with preventing any particular viewpoint from being expressed, and only to do with the subject's ability to hijack and derail every thread. It's a subject that, unfortunately, by its very nature, could not be discussed in a rational manner on a blog like this.
I worked for a political organization in the mid-1990s. With a great bunch of people. We could chat about any subject we wanted -- except abortion. It was an office policy. Not everyone was of the same political persuasion in the office, and the subject inflamed passions and even led to fist fights. It was just a policy decision that we wouldn't discuss it in the office. It made sense.
It's the same kind of thing here.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
is that the theory may be factual. If it's buried, it goes away in people's minds and is never discussed in the mainstream.
I didn't propose a conspiracy theory. I'm stating my belief as to Obama's motives for the actions he's taken.
Sure, it could be worse. That is true. And at least this president can think.
But I do not believe that we're simply increasing our presence by 30,000 troops in order to get at al Qaeda, and once we've done that, we're leaving.
I tend to think (though I'm only speculating) that something truly insane is going on inside Pakistan, and We the (American) People really don't know what it is. And that our incremental escalation in Afghanistan has more to do with whatever that is than anything the president was talking about.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
... you just scared the hell out of me.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Heh, sorry. :(
I could easily be wrong. I'm not exactly privy to any inside information.
But Pakistan has had its own share of political turmoil recently, as we all know. And it has a sizable population of al Qaeda sympathizers and supporters. And, of course, concerns about Pakistan and nuclear weapons, well . . . let's just say they're not like the totally fake concerns about Saddam Hussein.
Moving in 30,000 new people to combat a small entity that is not even a nation-state, and which has largely moved onto other places besides Afghanistan just doesn't make any sense. We have been getting at, and will continue to get at, al Qaeda operatives through intelligence and surgical strikes that go largely unreported in the media. In fact, Obama has been far more successful in this regard that Bush could ever have dreamed.
So, I don't buy the president's explanation. I just can't believe he thought long and hard on this to come up with a Bushevik surge. Something else is going on, and I can't help but think the president really wants to influence Pakistan or prevent some sort of catastrophe there.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
The war is in Pakistan, and it's "secret" ..
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
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It's imperative that the Pakistanis fix their country. Pincer movement.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Pakistan could become a failed state.
Pakistan is the most dangerous country in the world right now.
The State dinner having the President of India was no happenstance.
It was not by coincidence. There's some serious shit goin on right now.
And none of us are privy to the intel. That leaves us to speculate.
Pakistan supposedly has the most radical Muslim nuclear physicist's working there. I say supposedly because I can't prove it.
But, if it were true, that's a boatload of trouble.
The US gave Musharraf 10 bill in support over the years.
He allowed the the trouble makers safe have on the border.
Now, he's gone. He was trouble anyway. But now, we have to figure out to quell the violence.
I think, I believe the solution is with the head honchos in the tribal areas. Convince them to keep a peace, To turn against the radicals, and that may work.
Other than that, there's nothing else that can be done.
Without them, there will never be any form of stability there.
Karsai has to go.period.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
... stabilize Pakistan?
Seems to me that last time we occupied a country for a decade it de-stabilized the entire region.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
...that there are two countries we've occupied for over six decades, and the entire regions surrounding them have been fairly stable.
Not to be taken as unflagging support for the situation in the Afghanistan/Pakistan/India/China region, but regions and reasoning for occupying them differ.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... to be "occupying" forces, Andy?
I really don't. I consider them Cold War defense forces that have been generally welcomed by their hosts. They've also caused roughly zero casualties to any side.
I think Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan are quite a bit different.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
against for the last (approximately) 20 years?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
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Corruption favors the wealthy.
I'd suggest you think again. Read the very informative series by Chalmers Johnson on that very topic. Blowback, The Sorrows of Empire, and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. You'll learn just how welcome the US army actually is by the people of the occupied countries, not just the "leaders". Can one really be said to lead a country when that country is also home to many, many thousands of occupying troops?
As crazy as MAD was, it worked. It’s amazing that only 2 atomic weapons were ever detonated in the last half of the 20th Century. But there is now fallout. That fallout is the residual Atomic weapons of the splintered Soviet States, and Pakistan. Both groups are a mess, and I agree that of the two, Pakistan is more dangerous. MAD will no longer work in these areas because mutually assured destruction is what suicide bombers practice. It’s what they….um…live for.
But the tactics are wrong. I don’t think we can treat Pakistan, or confront extremism, by conventional ground troops and infantry forces. I don’t think it will work in Pakistan any more than it would in the former Soviet states. Our presence breeds extremism.
MAD only has a chance of working if the actors involved are rational. As soon as any nutbag fanatic who thinks the all-knowing creator of the universe will reward him for blowing up the earth gets a hold of a nuke, the notion of mutually assured destruction has little sway with him.
Pun intended? ;)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Could be? But then again...
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3
You brought up Sherman the other day. Read this history of the Battle of Chattanooga. Then go on to read about the Atlanta Campaign on that site. Billy wasn't a genius.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Edit...
I don’t consider Sherman a great tactical General. I was referring to his “Total War” concept of defeating a people, rather than an army. His march laid waste to a peoples' will to fight, not just the land. Other Generals used the resources and people of conquered lands as they moved through. Sherman decimated them. I think that was new.
BTW – My top 5 Tactical Generals…
1) Alexander
2) Hannibal
3) Pyrrhus
4) Napoleon
5) Patton
I think it interesting that both Hannibal AND Pyrrhus, after defeating the Romans, had no freak’n clue what to do next. That’s why both eventually lost in the end.
(and that's probably incorrect grammar :D )
Making "neckties" of the railroads was nothing new. And it wasn't as if his army, on the way from Atlanta to Savannah, was practicing a Russian scorched-earth policy: they were merely devouring all the food they needed, leaving the cupboards, smokehouses and granaries empty. And he wouldn't have been able to do it at all had Hood not moved towards Nashville.
Pyrrhus doesn't make my list: He was a pounder, after all. ;D
Patton, Rommel and Guderian are, imo, interchangeable.
I am, undoubtedly, an admirer of Pap Thomas. He could plan and prepare for a battle in advance (Mill Springs, Chattanooga, Nashville) and fight it with minimal casualties; and he could fight well on the fly (Chickamauga). And though I hate him for so many other reasons, Nathan Bedford Forrest was a fucking wizard, if at a smaller unit level.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I'm probably more impressed with small tactical battles than I should be. I like the chess game. I think Pyrrhus played an excellent game, and that's why he's on my list.
Also, being from the South, we have a different and somewhat biased view of that "damned" Sherman. Scorched-earth is what he left - and it worked. I'm trying to think of any previous campaigns that used this strategy to such success. I can't come up with any. There were many afterward though.
I have no opinions developed or undeveloped about histories' generals, only the remembrance of the statement attributed to Beethoven who had planned an inscription to Napoleon on the 3rd symphony renamed Eroica but tore it up after Bonaparte crowned himself emperor.
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I think Jeremy Scahill's got it right ..
Scahill: It's All About Covert Ops In Pakistan
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...inside Pakistan since there's been a Pakistan.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Pakistan has around 300k troops on their border with India.
This State dinner with the (President?) of India is not a coincidence.
And I have a feelin that India has at least the same number pointing their weapons at Pakistan.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
In fact, India's got more Muslims than any country in the world.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
hate each other so much. Why does anyone waste so much time hating. It's all such negative energy. Then, we still have to deal with them right wing extremists.
according to the numbers. India/Muslim population. But they garner only around 15-20% of India's population.
I could be wrong about this. But that's why Pakistan was created. Meaning Pakistan broke away from India and formed it's own Muslim state.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Actually I understand Singapore has the most Muslims.
And what mudshark said shows the futility of nation building to settle the Middle-East problem, like a greater Kurdistan or Palestine.
Personally, I like the idea of Kurdistan, if we can triangulate them against the other Islamic countries in the region, like Iraq, Iran, and others depending on how the borders are drawn.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... I take geography it is not your forte?
I thought Indionesia had the most muslims?
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
according to a demographic study by the Pew Research Center report of Mapping the Global Muslim Population, as of 8 October, 2009. The country with the largest population of Muslims is Indonesia followed by Pakistan then India. Here's a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
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n/t
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Its a done deal.
Gee, look at that. No matter what, troops are "coming home" (no idea how many, could be 1) just in time for election season.
Thats what really really makes this whole exercise seems like: How can we navigate this in a way that will minimize damage to our electoral chances?
Which I find as disgusting now as when Bush did it.
"It could have been much worse...." (tm)
LOL
The neo-con side of Obama's mouth (e.g. Gates and Clinton) deny there's anything "definite."
This way, no matter what happens, Obama can be said to have told us exactly what he would do in 7/11 so we will have to just STFU.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
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What's will he do in 7/11? Get a Slurpy? OK, I have to STFU.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Anti-Immigrant Group Pulls Support For Lou Dobbs’ Presidential Run
Wow. Lou Dobbs, putative presidential candidate, just can’t catch a break.
An anti-immigrant group is now making it official: It’s pulling its support for Dobbs and his presidential run, in the wake of Dobbs’ recent claim that he in fact supports a path to legalization for undocumented workers, saying that Dobbs “deeply offended his base.”
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Very gloat worthy! I think his little foray into politics may very well fall flat onto its fat kisser!
I've never seen change without a fire
Did you see the YouTube?: Lou Dobbs: 'Who The Hell Does The President Think He Is?'
Lou Dobbs and Inhofe chatting on his radio show. Real tough guys!!! I DID laugh, but they're dead serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4mljwchq5E&fe...
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
I thought it was a bit pornagraphic. Did any of you ever see John Holmes in a porn film?
Yes.
So your last name is Jeremy?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Thom Hartmann:
Jeremy Scahill - Afghanistan & US Secret War with Pakistan
Rachel Maddow with Jeremy Scahill:
BLACKWATER OWNER CIA EMPLOYEE!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Not only is Rupert the man behind the curtain, the muppet master to Beck, but his place of birth, where he kept his citizenship till age of 54, is Australia.
Clever tag as Australia is often called the Oz or the Land of Oz.
do you mean he was a kangaroo turd before he became a media mogul. Sorry, I guess he's still a kangaroo turd.
paraphrase Whoopi Goldberg?
I've never seen change without a fire
and they all smell bad.
But bears repeating:
I found this interesting tidbit:
AirTrans e-mail stirs up Internet firestorm.
No, besides being poorly written and confusing....note the video closeup of the Email. 4 words in it will show you the legitimacy of the email, and the story itself.
"It was on Fox."
'Nuff said?
Plus on a more positive note:
Ministers denounce anti-gay rhetoric
The ministers response is due to the screeching by some if Houston elects an openly lesbian mayor. It's a start.
Why would ministers be anti-gay? They've been defending their gay/pedo brethren for decades.
aren't the same thing.
your bigotry is appalling.
In this case it might be OK. They did a lot of young boys. And they've been defending them longer than decades. Homosexuality is not new to the church.
(a gay guy)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
What if it's a gay guy wearing pedo-pushers?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
They are from a variety of christian and jewish houses of worship (even baptist), if you'd bothered to read it.
(Except for Muslim, but that's no surprise.)
it said what was reported on Fox was not correct. And since everything on Fox is wrong the email must be right. Right?
"If you read the papers, you may have seen a blurb where an AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.
That was NOT what happened!
http://www.khou.com/news/E-mail-about-Air-Tra...
And a link to the same site with the original AP story.
http://www.khou.com/home/Phone-call-delays-Ho...
the author describes many things as a first person observer when there is no way he could be. he claims he and another became physical with the foreigners, which i would think to be a tsa issue, yet the tsa declared it a "customer complaint issue" for airtran. his observational facts regarding attire, actions, resolution, etc are suspected confabulation with a heavy dose of extreme embellishment and exaggeration, or even based on hearsay of others' confabulated hearsay (and so on, and so on).
there are other reports out there sharing the common story line--#297 returning to the gate due to a passenger having an active electrical devise (a phone, camera, or iphone type gadget)--but with this one having the widest stray from the pack. taken as a whole, these accounts play out like a bad "happy days" episode copping the "rashomon" plot, with one guy describing his story as a hyperinflated, balls-out man of action, one from a calm direct observer interviewed for an atl newspaper, another from a "patriot" boarding the plane after the return (who had his "account" emailed to blogs), and another involving statements from the airline, and yet another from an "investigator" known for his nut-job journalistic hackery who escalates the whole "staged run" meme to new proportions.
until the faa says otherwise (or other "good patriots" send out their stories on spammed emails), i don't think this was a pre 911 james woods moment, but a "potsy knocking out the bad guy" moment.
Senator Sanders Unfiltered: Where was the Fed?
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are just about the last decent people in the Senate.
is hilarious, in and of itself.
Yeah, Rupert pulls a lot of strings, but he's not the only puppet-master. In the case of FNC, that's mostly Ailes and his cronies. I would be interested in an update on how that relationship (between Roger and Rupert) is working out. I've heard rumor here and there that Rupert isn't that happy with how over the top FNC has become. That's a bit ironic, considering Rupert almost single handedly reinvented yellow journalism (though that crap goes back before Pulitzer and Hearst: two other "wizards").
I think you're missing the point. Murdoch is just another one of the stooges of the REAL men behind the curtain. Who do you think owns all those banks that stole billions of dollars from the public then a few trillion more from the government? Do you think they might have just a little bit of power over our elected toadies?
If that was indeed the point, then yes, I did miss it. What you say about REAL men though, sounds like creepy conspiratorial chimera (though that may not be your intent).
A quick thought on conspiracy…
Everybody makes plans: from saving for a plasma TV, to a week-end fishing trip with friends. Almost always those plans involve other people. Sometimes those plans are criminal (i.e. robbing a bank). Rich and powerful people make plans just like everybody else, and sometimes those plans are criminal as well. Powerful people can manipulate others just as easily as they can manipulate stock prices. But they are not infallible and they are not untouchable. Vast conspiracies involving secret organizations and clandestine objectives don’t exist. They don’t exist because they are always exposed. People talk.
Take the PNAC group. They had a plan. It was ill-conceived and wishful thinking, but it wasn’t a vast secret conspiracy. It’s the same with the Board of Directors of the Fed. These people are known. It is known they too make plans. It is unknown at this point if those plans are criminal, but that won’t last forever – and they are not above reproach.
This isn’t to say that powerful people never get away with criminal activity. They do. They don’t always get caught either, but neither do bank robbers. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean these men are members of some secret conspiratorial organization that will never be exposed.
Of the country's Muslim minority, he said: "The majority of them are integrated, but a minority refuses to respect our rules and dreams of Sharia law in place of our federal constitution, and that's unacceptable. We are all equal under the same law."
Switzerland's minaret ban is reflective of growing fears about the "Islamization" of Europe, a hot political topic on the continent in recent years. The move was condemned by the UN's human rights commissioner and even drew fire from Pope Benedict XVI.
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I can hear the pope thinking... calm down...calm down, we got a good gig going on here, don't rock the boat!!!
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I think this concern, rather than being discounted out of hand, has to be considered along with world trade policy, that has led to a massive problem with illegal immigration all over Europe.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The effort to stop the reappointment of Bernanke now includes more than one party. The only party left out so far is the Democratic Party. ;)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
http://www.royrogers.com/images/gabby.jpg
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
It must have been a gut wrenching decision for Obama to commit more troops to Afghanistan.
Watching this gives me a better understanding of the multitude of considerations a President must examine before going forward:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11202009/wa...
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
I've come to believe that Murdoch really hates America. That's why he's infected the country with Fox News and all his other conservative propaganda.
Is it any coinkedink that as soon as murdoch starts buying up papers, that's when opinion polls start saying the public doesn't trust them?
Or that as soon as news becomes more about infotainment, the media is generally held in contempt?
These aren't blog polls, but the medias own showing this dissatisfaction.
And is it just me, or does murdoch sound like someone trying to scream murder until the strangler's grasp tightens?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
His name, I mean
Like Yoda, I speak...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/pali...
I want to see Palin's birth certificate. I want to make sure she wasn't born in Canada or Russia. That grating nails-down-a-chalkboard-voice of hers doesn't sound like any American I know.
A boatload of information on American propaganda.
Orwell Rolls in His Grave has excellent segments on Murdock.
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Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent
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•Noam Chomsky - Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies from 1988 - Media, Propaganda and Democracy
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by Adam Curtis here
• This is also treated in the work of the late (d 1988) Australian sociologist Alex Carey
•The documentary on Chomsky (Thought Control in a Democratic Society) Manufacturing Consent here
•The Ad and the Ego here
•George Orwell's 1984, where the purpose of Newspeak is to make political discourse impossible.
•The documentary Orwell Rolls in His Grave here Download here
•Stuart Ewen here
•The Corporation here
•John Pilger The War on Democracy here
•John Pilger Obama and Empire here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Links for video research on 100 years of American propaganda here
To which I had thought to add Chomsky on the Creel Commission found separately here
Of special interest vis á vis Murdock is Orwell Rolls In His Grave found in the first section of links.
Bernie Sanders is one of a handful of people in Washington DC who shows no sign of the general corruption.
But then he is an independent from Vermont.
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great links Alice, I had a good time going through some of them this morning. One of the reasons I come to C&L every day is to check your posts. I learn a lot from them! Thanks again!
I made a file and saved these, Alice. I'm interested in things about the mind.
You might like this quote:
You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements. Norman Douglas, British author (1868-1952)
In Korea, it's a skinny housewife in a very mini, mini skirt, with long legs and high heels, that flutteries around like a butterfly to keep her husband and (secondly) children happy. She likes to dance around the kitchen and make happy, silly faces; totally helpless.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
too....so what's your point Andrew?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/andr...
As if one needed any more proof Obama could never appease a warmongering neocon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
The point is that the Pope of Hope is playing rope a dope, he is giving the Wall Street Warmongers their war and jerking around the less astute of the leftish [sic] crowd by the ploy that there is a timetable to get out.
The only timetable to get out that counts is right now, immediately.
This is always the problem for the Republicans masquerading as democrats (small case 'd') and as Democrats.
We have a right wing party and we have an ultra right party.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/dec...
John 'war on christmas' Gibson has a new book out, I saw it last night;
http://www.amazon.com/How-Left-Swiftboated-Am...
Yes, he is accusing liberals of 'Swiftboating' GW Bush.......seriously.
Just another example of republicants accusing liberals of the very thing they themselves are guilty of. I realize that they are trying to flood the market with as many of their brain droppings as possible to better push their propaganda, but I mean come on.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
OK, I'll just pull the pin on the grenade and roll it in to the group in this open thread. On the heals of President Obama’s announcement Tuesday that he is sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, has anyone read about the discovery Wednesday of a large cross-border tunnel, extending from Mexico 860 feet into San Diego, reminding America how critical it is to secure its borders if it wants security from terrorist acts on American soil?
The discovered tunnel from Mexico to San Diego had lighting, electrical, ventilation systems and an elevator to move workers and supplies to depths reaching 100 feet. Authorities estimate that the tunnel had been under construction for two years and was nearly complete. The good news is that this tunnel had not yet been completed and hopefully had not yet been used for human trafficking or contraband. The bad news is that this tunnel is likely one of many such tunnels that dot America’s porous borders with Canada and Mexico, through which thousands of humans and contraband move daily.
According to the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan “fact tank,” there are approximately 12 million illegal aliens or “unauthorized immigrants” in America. It is very difficult to get accurate data on the true number, which some say is 10 million and others say is 70 million. Additionally, estimates indicate that 500,000 individuals enter the country illegally every year, which is difficult to comprehend if America’s borders are secure, and clearly they are not.
How is this happening and why is our government not protecting its citizens by securing its borders? As Americans, we are entitled to security, which could be argued, is the most paramount of functions a government is to provide its citizenry, and without which many of the freedoms and liberties guaranteed to the people are meaningless.
Somehow, border security has shamelessly been linked to immigration policy in a way that allows political correctness to triumph over sound public policy and public safety. Fortunately, America’s security from foreigners seeking to do it harm is a nonpartisan issue—Americans want and Americans are entitled to security, the bedrock function of any government. There are immigration laws in place and as a nation of laws, which is what America is, these laws must be enforced and our borders must be secure, because our safety depends on it.
http://americanmuser.wordpress.com
I agree that the borders need to be secure--on both sides. People can and do enter the country legally and I think that's wonderful--the more the merrier. But do it within the framework of the legal system...leaving ourselves open to uncontrolled immigration is a great way to let terrorists in. Not every person that crosses the border is just yearning to be free.
That said, amnesty to all those who came illegally, but are honest and hardworking. If they've proven themselves to be good citizens after they get here, then forgive them their humble beginnings.
seem to have a penchant for "rolling live grenades down the aisle". I generally focus on other issues, as a rule. I am inclined to agree with you about the USA's open borders presenting a serious national security conundrum. For me, that was actually one of the very first indicators that Dubya's GWOT was a smokescreen for something else, something far more evil than a criminal investigation and law enforcement pursuit of the perpetrators behind 9/11/2001, which would have been the appropriate response.
The USA's border should be secured. The figures that I have seen regarding the number of illegal aliens present in the USA is closer to 28 million rather than 8 million. However, many of those who are here illegally came here legally, by plane or boat, as tourists or students, etcetera. The point is, they are here, most have adopted the (dying) American dream, and we should find the means of integrating them into society legally.
There is a Federal program, called RealID, that was designed to help winnow out the illegal aliens, but was never properly funded at the federal level to the States. There is another program, called Verify, that allows prospective employers to ascertain the legal status of potential employees. Neither program was properly funded, nor implemented. So, DHS and ICE go after all those who are here illegally, while the employers of illegal aliens get a free pass. Those employers belong in prison, up to and including their Boards of Directors -- their generally poorly paid and treated illegal employees, not so much.
Many of those "undocumented aliens" are not undocumented, as they are using stolen or false identities. These are criminal acts, and must be (IMO) prosecuted prior to any thoughts of amnesty extended to them. OTOH, illegal aliens that use their own identities, but have managed to grab a slice of the American dream anyway, should be given that chance to become citizens here, but behind that long line of immigrants who have chosen legal avenues toward USA citizenship. That's only fair.
This does raise other issues, however, that I would like to see you address, like: "How can anyone consider this country to be a society ruled by law when the previous George W. Bush/Richard Cheney administration committed so many crimes against both USA law and international law that they could not only be considered war criminals but also a "continuing criminal enterprise" punishable under conspiracy and RICO statutes, and yet go uninvestigated and unpunished?
OR,
If the Prohibition against alcohol was an utter failure, generated much violence and other criminal activity, and then was ultimately rejected, why do successive Democratic and Republican administrations continue a newer and much longer lasting Prohibition against other drugs proven to be far less harmful to society than alcohol, or even tobacco?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
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