December 21, 2009 09:30 PM
Open Thread

There's lots of 'best books of the decade' lists out this month: a couple of us C&L staffers liked The AV Club list.
What's the best book you read this year, or in the past ten? And it's an open thread.
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The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver.
hmmmm, i would say "the liveship traders" trilogy by Robin Hobb or the "a song of ice and fire" series by George RR Martin. And i like Stephen King in general.
But there are so many other books i like that this is not a best of the year or last ten years books.
Edit: LOTR by Tolkien ofc, only read it about 15 times or more :)
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But dammit, I only got a B because I was late posting my last installment! Ergh.
Only the rough draft. Two interconnected YA books, The Darkest Night (about the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921) and Sam, a Cowboy.
The best book I read this year? 1999 by Morgan Llywelyn. Waited years for the final book of the Celtic Century series.
Second favorite: Nation by Terry Pratchett, in a Children's Lit class. Unfavorite in that class (and certainly wouldn't have chosen to read it): Twilight.
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But....the District of Columbia, an evangelical church in Denver...and now Mexico City.
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A two-fer on Nelson Algren:
Man With The Golden Arm
Never Come Morning
Okay..I won't call it "great literature", but I'm not embarrassed as an adult to say I enjoyed ALL the Harry Potter books, especially the last one. I don't know why, I just couldn't put them down, and kept rereading them. It was like I was under a spell or something. But alas, I has to sell every one of my books for food and rent money. I had quite a few.....DVDs too.
I liked them as well.
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Last spring. Loved it.
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Lal, there are classes in HP? Sorry, but that sounds stupid.
(imo ;))
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It's not the only place. Check around. Here at Texas A&M-- Commerce, it's only offered every 1 1/2 years or so.
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Are the questions like "what's a muggle and describe in your own words why they are stupid" ? :p
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more like covering aspects of religion and intolerance, good vs evil, the usurping of a democratic government, you know, minor "stupid", as you put it, things like that.
That sounds like serious stuff. So no wand practice and alchemy? I'll drop out before you can say Supercalafragilisticexpialadocious.
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rather than just going to the movies, if you even did that.
I did, never liked the movies. The same with LOTR. They just do not follow the books. While that it's not that weird with LOTR as that would two weeks to see non stop.
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of reading the book BEFORE the movie...and usually with bad results. Although I enjoyed LOTR (films) even after reading the books, but I think I never got that deep into Tolkein.
I'm wonder what the damage will be with the Disney's new Alice in Wonderland next year.
He just left a few bits out. Off the top of my head, Jackson skipped Tom Bombadil, Aragorn's search for the white tree, and the Scouring of the Shire. The only one of those I think he should have put in there was the last.
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what happens with parts one and two of The Hobbit...alth, I don't think Jackson is involved director-wise.
If that's not enough reason why the movie sucks?
He did more then leaving things out. There was some feck up with Smeagol on the mountain climb to the big spider thingy. It was stupid and not like the book.
I was like "noooo, that's not right"
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"Bored of the Rings" by the Harvard Lampoon. For 1969, it's still pretty damned funny.
But when they deviated from Tolkien's work they pretty much screwed it up. There was no need to fake Aragorn's death; change Faramir into a ring crazed temporary bad guy; create then kill off an entire elven army at Helms Deep, or have Elrond become a messenger boy carrying a special sword.
Jackson directed the films well, but he really should have overcome his nepotistic urges and hired some professional writers.
Negativism aside - I loved the movies. A difficult job well done.
And I missed The Scouring of the Shire as well.
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...Faramir was depicted that way in the books. Maybe you read it differently, but I always read that character as being an asshole about getting his hands on that ring.
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Didn't he was a hero before he died for taking arrows for those two sidekick hobbits?
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LOT, TTT, Faramir to Frodo and Sam after Sam had slipped up and mentioned the Ring:
That took far longer to type than to find. I swear I opened the book and flipped less than twenty pages. I could have come fairly close just from memory.
Yeah, I am that much of a hobbit nerd.
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I always get those names confused.
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We really have an outrageous Literature and Languages Department. Read LOTR, starting with Silmarillion, and watched the movies. The professors were the SF.F specialist and the Medieval History prof. It counted as either ENG or HIS.
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I saw the first part with my sister in a cinema, we got so bloody drunk. I don't even know what the last hour was about. lol.
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I love a good HP discussion.
As a "serious" SciFi/Fantasy reader (ie. nerd), I had a natural inclination to dislike Harry Potter without even reading the books. Too often the genre is relegated to the kiddie section and the HP books seemed to justify that.
Then I read them aloud to my niece (and then saw the movies). J.K. Rowling is truly gifted. What amazes me the most is her knack for naming things. Names like "muggles" or Diagon Alley" seem so simple and obvious but are so difficult to do well.
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on a theme that's been around a while....witches and wizards living amongst non-magical people ala "Bewitched".
That's why I like it, the British sophistication and history coupled with that storyline. They are abosolutely great to read with kids.
It actually took me a while to get the "Diagon Alley" joke for some reason. ;P
Me too on Diagon Alley. I giggled like an overjoyed schoolgirl when it finally hit me.
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unitl I saw Dan Radcliffe say it as "Diagonally" in "Chamber of Secrets."
sorry about your library Liberalicious. That stinks.
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the bathroom?
Unfortunately, carrying upteen hundred books with you as you become homeless isn't feasible.
And plus you don't get much for them unless they are in mint perfect condiction, which mine aren't as I tended to read them.
... as we find out when we sell them back.
For me, the value is partially the opportunity to read them again, but even more so the opportunity to give them away.
Never lend a book. To borrow a phrase: Pass it forward. If it's any consolation, you still did that.
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...but then I became obsessed with the idea of a bookshelf in the bathroom, and it was down the road to Tangent City...
a zelazny series.
AWESOME!
Some stuff you can't make up!
I read them all. Great books!
Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series reminded me of Zelazny.
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Fiction: every book written by John Irving in the last decade. My latest favorite is Until I Find You
Non-fiction: every yearly volume Project Censored (Sonoma State University) has published along with Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine.
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Here's a depressing thought:
With the exception of Harry Potter, Dan Brown's crap might have had the biggest audience of the decade.
Regardless, I would put William Gibson's last two on that list. He's redefining the techno-thriller concept.
On the non-fiction side, I would probably put Barton Gellman's Angler.
Cloud Atlas by
David Mitchell
A People's History Of The United States by Howard Zinn
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Yup. Readin' that one right now. And Shock Doctrine. Don't read much fiction, unless it's authored by one of the greats. Asimov, Herbert (READ Dune, don't watch Lynch's abomination), Vonnegut, Bradbury (a staunch conservative), or Heinlein (militarist).
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
If you want to "watch" dune, watch the Harrison Miniseries, not the Lynch movie
while not in the 2001+, more late 1990s...I did enjoy Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy: The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife, and The Amber Spyglass. They are very deep, complicated and interesting, but didn't translate too well to film (at least the first one). But a good diatribe on the hypocrisy of religion, mainly the Catholic church.
Yes, i like the books. bears with armor ftw :p
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that nobody has mentioned "The Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind and Paul O"Neil. I think one of the first about the inside dealings and mindset of the Bush WH.
H.G Wells. Classics.
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But why not Jules Vernes, Mark Twain, Douglas Adams, Philip Pullman, Philip Jose Farmer, Arthur C. Clarke, Isaac Asimov, Robert heinlein...to name but a few.
I like you. <3 You have a good taste.
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And CS Lewis...(religion aside) I liked Narnia.
I also like Shatner's Star Trek novels, at least the first six, so I'm not all that great in the great lit dept. ;)
I've read it as a fantasy story so the lion Aslan didn't bother me. I've read it like a brother Grimm story.
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The Chronicles of Master Li and Number Ten Ox is an omnibus collection of the three books (Bridge of Birds, The Secret of the Stone and Eight Skilled Gentlemen) featuring the titular characters. It's part fantasy, part historical fiction and part detective story, and all funny.
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Fantasy and history is to my interest. I might check that out.
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You may need to check the library or used book store.
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As long it's not from the big London fire i'm sure i can get it. I also know how to internets ;)
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...the moderator last night, I'm not so sure about that last sentence. ;D
Be forewarned: The last time I looked, the price was sort of high relative to most used fantasy/sci-fi paperbacks (that was for the three books individually; don't know about the omnibus collection, which is hardcover).
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So that was you? I figured ;)
If it's older then 75 years it's royalty free IIRC.
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
Link for some classic books
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I was just reading. I posted something on that thread. I know your ways with English! I thought it was you when you wrote "What a bollocks." Then, at the end of it, you thanked the moderator.
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Cammon, just joking m8.
99.9% of my posts are bollocks ;)
Unless i'm not. Or am i?
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No Project Gutenberg for you!
I love that site, though. I've read a lot of classics there. Here's a favorite:
The Varmint by Owen Johnson
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Thank you for that, sadly i do not like reading a wall of text on a computer screen.
( i also can't take my computer screen to bed to read it)
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Not if you're trying to sleep, anyway. You'll laugh too much. :D
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I doubt that, as i'm a humorless cynical son of a bitch. The last person that told me a joke......well, they are still looking for his body parts.
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So, Alerta, why did the chicken cross the playground? To get to the other slide.
Why did the turtle cross the road? To get to the Shell station.
Thankyouverymuch, I'm here all week....
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Where did I put my elbow?
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He took my uvula!
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girl's bit?
:P
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I only know that they are from Venus.
But i like girl "bits"
So if you are auctioning i'll make a bid.
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Uvula
Next thing you'll do is identify Michigan as a Gulf Coast state, right?
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IT'S NOT!!?//???!!!1!1!
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This is for you. :P
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ya
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ewww, that's disgusting. That looks like a disease. Cut it.....cut it.....
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I have a seasonal riddle...
Q: Why did Frosty go and live in the middle of the ocean?
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A: Because snowman is an island.
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Seeing that there's barely anywhere in the Netherlands to bury anything.
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If the dikes break i'll have dry feet. Do your best, climate change. ;P
@Fiver, those are bad. lal :)
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They used to have 'em rolling on the playground.
Not to sound too ignorant, but what is "lal"?
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A corruption of "lol"
;)
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And I've seen it like three or four times on this site.
Confounded newfangled acronyms.
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My last email from the Obama campaign -
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A Brief History of Time, by Stephen Hawking.
I was very surpirsed how "philosophical" it is and it tied in beautifully with my yoga studies and contains great concepts of the universe/ether/beyond. It's very readable, and thoroughly enjoyable, even if you know squat about math and physics.
far left loon >.<
...you'll ever read: Ishmael, The Story of B and My Ishmael.
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1st I'll incorporate a health insurance company and sell insurance to as many people as possible, mostly friends and other anti this-sucks health insurance sympathizers.
Then when I am fined for non-compliance I can reveal my policy with Insurance My Ass Mutual. I assume that I'll promptly be investigated and it will be readily shown that Insurance Ass Mutual is whollfully underfunded.
Next I expect to be bailed out by my good friends at the Fed, losses will be covered as well as all the future losses inevitable because of our strong sales team.
As of now this is the best way out of this fucked up mess that I can think of. Of course, like No Child Left Behind there will be improvements and refinements down the road.
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Middlemarch..George Eliot
I'm amazed http://www.bing.com/travel/content/search?q=G...
"The Obama administration took aim Monday at tarmac horror stories, ordering airlines to let passengers stuck in stranded airplanes disembark after three hours.
With its new regulations, the Transportation Department sent an unequivocal message on the eve of the busy holiday travel season: Don't hold travelers hostage to delayed flights."
Now if only Obama and co. could treat Insurence companies the same way.
Did you know that progressive recommendations to vote no on the Senate's version of health care reform are pretty much the same thing as long-term Republican obstructionism for obstruction's sake?
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Howard Dean: I thought the star of the show last night was Sheldon Whitehouse, who got up and finally called-- Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, who called them [Republicans] on their-- what I think is disgraceful behavior. And that kinda gets your blood boiling--- [Dean is interrupted by Noron, but keeps speaking, saying, "--when you see that, from an emotional point of view."]
Noron O'Donnell: What do you mean? What specifically? What their disgraceful? What about their behavior?
Howard Dean: They didn't lift one finger to help anybody get health care reform! This could have been a really decent bill with a lot of back and forth, and they made the calculation that they would try to hurt President Obama simply by killing a bill that 30 million people needed. I think that's wrong, and I think this country, and the Senate in particular needs a lot of work.
Noron O'Donnell: [with smug indignation] But with all due respect, YOU!, also last week, were saying kill the bill! You were actually-- had people listened to you, this vote would not have taken place in the wee hours of the night last night.
Howard Dean: Oh, go fuck yourself, you corporate media whore!
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Okay, that wasn't Dean's actual response. What he did say was far more cordial and diplomatic than she deserved, and as usual, Dean used the opportunity to put out more facts, such as that because of the griping on the part of progressives like him, the bill was actually improved before it passed the Senate.
Watch it here.
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A Thousand Splendid Suns
The Bookseller of Kabul
loved both of them and recommend them as excellent reads.
most of you are readers of fiction. I don't want to mischartorize any of you but, when I see this I realize that it may be the reason some are so disappointed with the bills that have passed in the house and senate. You have the mentality that wants every story to have a happy ending and that's just not reality. Just an observation some of you might want to think about.
GNA!
That makes sense, right? Sorry, but that is fucking stupid!
Oh, and good night to you as well.
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do you think that it's fucking stupid? Do you think for everyone here?
Because you think that all readers of fiction thinks like you think they are. And that's stupid.
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...hate to burst your bubble, but not every piece of fiction is a Hollywood movie.
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WTF does a Hollywood movie have to with it?
And they are, for the most part, fiction. But not all fiction is written to be a Hollywood movie.
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Just watch this. :D
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That reminds me of this!
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The French Fur Trappers are my two favorite sketches from season 1.
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Just because I love the Lord of the Rings doesn't mean I've lost touch with reality.
Some of us really can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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I've been LARPing after watching LOTR.
Thou shall not pass.
RAWR!!!!
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"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn."
That scene, book or movie, still gives me shivers.
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When you are exalted with secret fire, can you get elite gear/enchant?
I hope a BiS trinket :p
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I miss D&D. Just don't know enough nerds in my age group anymore.
In real life, unfortunately, I use the Secret Fire mostly to flame trolls. Granted, they're not Balrogs, but I try to do my part.
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I love paging through the new (4th edition) manuals, even though I'm not thrilled with having to buy the new set (okay, he's 19 and pays for most of them, but I've got the Draconomicon-Metallic Dragons here waiting to be wrapped). I kinda/sorta want to ask in on his group, but none of those damned kids gets high!
Oh, and they changed the rules up, so I'm not even sure how to play any longer. :(
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I envy you; you get to learn. But I seriously doubt that none them get high. That used to be an essential ingredient in the game.
Are you sure you haven't been hexed, Dad?
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World of warcraft m8. ;) As i might be nerdy enough for D&D i never played it. To much stats ;)
Gandalf takes care of the balrog.
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Don't know much about World of Warcraft - deliberately.
I'd never get anything done.
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Elder Scrolls/Morrowind right after it came out. Not a MMORPG, but it was a fucking k3wwwwllll RPG!
Now when I waste time, it's on Civilization IV.
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I've been playing Civ from the begining
I just got Civ IV in September. My old pc couldn't handle it. My new laptop can, but I fear that when Civ V comes out, I'll need a new rig.
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I fear Andy that Civ will be the only thing we ever have in common. Execpt I think it was you that said he Cowboys running back Felix Jones really burns and I told you Choice was lookig good.
And we care? Is this American football or something?
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What other kind of football is there? None that I am aware of. Not unless you are talking about soccer in which your right who cares.
I was talking about brockian ultra cricket.
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Good for you, I was talking about our beloved NFL Football.
Can i get a bucket plix? :P
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They can both be beautiful, tough and exciting, and they can both be boring and brutal.
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Or, at this point, get back to 100%. But when he's all there, he flies.
And you and I probably agree more than you think. If I know what you're trying to say, anyway.
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That was you then. We discussed it just prior to opening day I think. I railed on John's Giants and then they beat us pretty bad. I was wrong John. lol
Was that english?
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The threading ain't too clear right now.
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It's so appealing to use text speak right now. I've been practicing the whole week at smashing my head at the keyboard.
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It's difficult here when the sub-threads get skinny.
And, unfortunately, jokes seldom work when you have to elaborate.
But I confess I haven't a clue what you meant.
The only thing worse than being an unapologetic nerd is being an unapologetic nerd who can't keep up with the times :(
[on edit] AHHH! I meant that my previous reference was to Andy's previous reference before Alerta bumped in the middle yet after whomever else is posting in the middle as I type this and hopefully before whomever is typing as I post.
Whew, I'm glad I cleared that up.
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...Morrowind reference, right? That game was way out front of everything else...in 2002.
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Thanks.
But we still need a new sub-thread.
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I have the Vvardefell and Solstheim poster on my wall. :D
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I think it was the civ stuff
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No, Jesus, it's about starcraft.
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If you where a women i would kiss you. If you say that you like Monkey island as well i would even do a lot more. :p
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I hope you understand just how much we are holding back on replying to this one right now :)
But another Monkey Island reference and I don't know...
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It's the lack of mention of any serious recent history when so much shit has happened.
Had this thread been about our favorite foods instead of our favorite books, ron's post might have looked like this:
It would make about as much sense.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
:P
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Like chocolate, right? Where is your reality?
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Seems to me that a large percentage of the political reporting that we're fed by the corporate media can be included in the fiction category.
The latest and greatest in "crowd control":
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
... I hear the Dave Matthews Signature Model is in the works.
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
Bella Plavin's "Her Fahter's House" and Karen Robards "Pursuit." Both were so engaging that I read each of them in one day.
by manuel luis martnez ; )
Venus on the Half Shell, by Kilgore Trout
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... that is a work of science fiction, and therefore, by definition, worthless in assessing today's reality.
Kind of like Orwell's 1984
/snrk
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The author is fictional too, that it creates a double negative, as it were, thus rendering fiction into exactly the opposite--pure non-fiction...
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I just finished Ayn Rand's Anthem. Or should I say we did?
... at least it's over.
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How many IQ points did you drop? I know a amoeba that is smarter than you now.
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It was given to me and it was not super but was thought provoking. Swan Song I also read lately and I thumbed thru Patriots of the American Revolution. The part about Ethan Allen was good. I read anything Larry Niven and have read lots of King and Koontz.
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