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Texas Judge Rules Death Penalty Unconstitutional

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Via Houston Chronicle:

A Houston judge who declared the death penalty unconstitutional Thursday clarified his ruling in an impromptu hearing Friday, saying he ruled the procedures surrounding the process in Texas are illegal. ...Fine maintained at the hearing that he believes innocent people have been executed.

Fine's clarification came in the wake of a firestorm of criticism from District Attorney Pat Lykos, the Texas Attorney General's Office and Gov. Rick Perry protesting that Fine ignored well-settled law.

When asked direct questions Thursday about his ruling, Fine said he was declaring the death penalty unconstitutional because he believes innocent people have been executed.

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Alecto2's picture

We are supposed to recognized "ESTABLISHED LAW" not when the TREASONOUS SCOTUS is overturning 100 years of corporations insulated from taking over the election process.

ricky's picture

If I call you a traitor does that make you one?


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

Alecto2's picture

To call one, what is OBVIOUS, does not transfer the label to me. The 4 RATS on the SCOTUS, Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia have no clue what the Constitution says. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. And there has NEVER been a SCOTUS RULING that says such. So, they are basing their treasonous finding on a false premise.
Yes, they are TRAITORS, and should be spoon fed piles of Ann Coulter's Creme Brulee.

Andy K's picture

I think, anyway, because I can't really figure out the context of your emphasis.

And there has NEVER been a SCOTUS RULING that says such.

You might be correct that there was no ruling, in that there was no debate, but the headnote of Santa Clara Clounty v. Southern Pacific Railroad states:

The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does.

This was later addressed by Justice Hugo Black in his dissenting (that's, uhm, the losing side) opinion in Connecticut General Life Insurance Company v. Johnson :

If the people of this nation wish to deprive the states of their sovereign rights to determine what is a fair and just tax upon corporations doing a purely local business within their own state boundaries, there is a way provided by the Constitution to accomplish this purpose. That way does not lie along the course of judicial amendment to that fundamental charter. An amendment having that purpose could be submitted by Congress as provided by the Constitution. I do not believe that the Fourteenth Amendment had that purpose, nor that the people believed it had that purpose, nor that it should be construed as having that purpose.

Note that Black never played the treason card. That's because the bar for treason is set very high. This isn't an Athenian democracy, in which there exists no right for the political minority to dissent, and for that you should be glad, because without protections guaranteed in the First Amendment, you and I could have very well faced during the Bushco years the bitter choice between exile and a hemlock martini.

Peter G's picture

Where they have an execution express lane? This judge has got a pair.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

CnLfan's picture

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glogrrl's picture

he knows he's in Texas?!!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

ricky's picture

or to keep his job.

We elect 'em.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

mikerush's picture

Yep. Great, big, swingin' brass ones. He walks more bow-legged than a West Texas goatroper. He has to wheel them around in a wheelbarrow. You can bet that he packs heat wherever he goes after this ruling. Who'da thunk that there was a sane, educated judge in Tejas?

fiver's picture

I thought the death penalty was every Texan's sacred right.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ricky's picture

You get born,
You go die,
And in between you can have a gun if you want one."

Actual statment made on the floor of the Texas House of Representatives.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

curtilingus's picture

♪♫Kill kill kill
Ki Ki Ki Ki Kill
ki ki ki ki ki ki ki ki ki kill.
♪♫

...poor judge.

Unconstitutional, inhumane, not a fucking deterrent at all, as well as embarrassingly and inexplicably racially unequal, the death penalty is nothing but an orgasm for unforgiving sick fucks.

Captainapathy's picture

...I was trying to be more level about it, but I agree 100%.

LeftandLeft's picture

You know he would fantasize about executions while he was on top of Pickles.

kometes's picture

some of us are eating! That may be the most disgusting image a comment has conjured for me.

glogrrl's picture

on a rail!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Bluestocking's picture

If the comments left in response on the Chronicle's website are any indication, his honesty and integrity will most likely cost him his position.


Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.

I know, right?

I could not believe some of those comments. I was born and raised in a state whose last execution was in the 1800s, and having never been to Texas, the impression is that there is lots of hate and anger in Texas.


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

glogrrl's picture

and changed planes at Dallas-Ft. Worth, but that's as close as I wanna get to that state. It's full of looneys---and 2 of them in Waco are relatives of mine!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Court and that they are shamed into agreeing that the death penalty IS indeed, unconstitutional.

The United States needs to join other "civilized" nations (those on this map that are "blue") and I hope that someday we will all be able to thank Judge Fine for helping us get there:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/executh.htm


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

glogrrl's picture

is right up there with Asia and a large portion of the Middle East and the third world areas in Africa. Nice company.


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

the next target of right-wing violence.

Judging(if you'll pardon the pun)from the comments in the Houston Chronicle I wouldn't bet against you.The "right to life" crowd is in full lynch mode.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

no shit. ALL CAPS ALL CAPS ALL CAPS, LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIBTARD LIBTARD!! I CAN'T USE "YOU'RE" OR "IT'S" CORRECTLY!!!

Can O Whoopass's picture

mess with ol' Sparky in Bush's church.

glogrrl's picture

But, but, doesn't he know that Guvner Good Hair doesn't give a crap about that? If they're in prison, they must have done something bad, so just string 'em up!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

pinkobait's picture

Just want's to kill him some retards s'all.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

glogrrl's picture

stringin'!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

cw's picture
wow

talk about some guts. Kudos to him. Many innocent people have been executed. DNA evidence has exonerated many who were wrongly killed in the name of justice. It's time it's deemed unconstitutional EVERYWHERE, but Texas is a great start...

exitstan's picture
Wow

Spine! Dat's whut I'm talkin' 'bout!

He knows Texans love a good execution once in awhile, and he knows they're so casual about it, a public defender or two have been known to fall asleep in court.

It's a pity he does not have the authority to apply his humane, just ruling to people who live in... say... places like Vietnam and Iraq, where Texans glibly passed judgement on millions of innocent civilians, and then killed them.

bad though that a lot of Texans will have an outstanding fit and fight for their "right" to kill as many of their residents as possible...


I've never seen change without a fire

Bluestocking's picture

**********WOW!**********

Considering that Texas has executed nearly four times as many people as any other state in the country (according to the source I found), it strikes me as very significant when a Texas judge voices the opinion on the record that the death penalty is unconstitutional.

Frankly, considering that the United States (according to Amnesty International) is one of the last fully-developed nations which still practices the death penalty -- and that only four other nations (all of them headed by governments which most people would call dictatorial) executed more people in 2008 than we did -- I stand with those who believe that it's time for the death penalty to be abolished in this country.


Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.

I kind of think that in the natural order of things if America were fully developed then the only thing that can happen next is its inevitable downfall. I also think if current affairs in America represent fully developed, then humans really have stumbled and fallen quite a degree because America is one sick, fucked up place.

Bluestocking's picture

...which Amnesty International used. If you look at the list of what they call "retentionist" countries -- those which allow the death penalty to be used for crimes which are not extraordinary offenses and where people are still being executed -- you'll see that the vast majority of countries on that list are either still third-world countries or countries which are partly industrialized but in which many people still live without benefit of technology.

That being said, I'm inclined to agree with you on the subject of America's likely destiny. I've been saying for many years now that one of our problems as a society is that we've evolved technologically far more quickly than we've evolved socially and emotionally. If there's anything that history teaches us, it's that change is (ironically) one of the only constants in the universe -- and that like most organisms, most nations either must evolve or die. Unfortunately, America as the world's foremost military superpower seems to be following the same path set by previous empires -- all of which have inevitably fallen after enjoying a period of supremacy, often because the people become overly self-indulgent and corrupt.


Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.

yellowdogD's picture

If you click through and read the comments in the Chronicle, tou will see that your comment was spot-on.
Those people are brutal.

My 12:37 was supposed to be a reply to fiver at 12:11.

Can O Whoopass's picture

y'alls 'sposed ta kill 'em if'n dey's can't cook chili right, fergit it that their beer taste like warmed over afterbirth.

HANG 'EM... HANG 'EM HIGH!

ricky's picture

"Perry's office as well as Attorney General Greg Abbott's office issued news releases late Thursday decrying the ruling as judicial activism."

Legal nonsense? Erroneous? Preposterous? Nope. Judicial activism.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

of the Supreme Court of the United States? JUDICIAL ACTIVISM!!!


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Annoyed Canuck's picture

Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in Texas for murder in 2004. The evidence that he set the house fire that killed his children has been demonstrated to have been deeply flawed and biased. His conviction was a travesty and his execution amounted to judicial murder.

The story of his case was described in an article in the New Yorker last September. It's a terrific, heartrending piece of writing.

Trial by Fire
by David Grann
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07...

ricky's picture

Willingham was a low life scum who was mean to his Missus and suggested she not have no more babies.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

mikerush's picture

Redneckia is chock full of low life scum who are mean to their women. Don't you ever watch Cops, or Jerry Springer?

glogrrl's picture

???


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Captainapathy's picture

... that the death penalty was never constitutionally supported. Especially in light of the language 'cruel and unusual punishment' in the eighth amendment and the subsequent rulings on the matter. I've never seen a single study that showed that the use of capital punishment was effective as a deterrent, and we know that it costs more for the due process than life imprisonment in many cases. I would suggest, as I have many times in the past, that we as a nation stop the barbarism and immediately put a moratorium on executions. Killing the guilty as revenge makes us no better than they are.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Cruel and unusual punishment would be torture

Or like in 18th century courts hanging a highwayman who may not h ave killed anyone yet, to be an example of others

Or burning someone alive or some other such method.

In Texas, we actually have two Supreme Courts, the Supreme Court and the Court of Criminal Appeals. The Supreme Court is for Civil matters only. Death Penalty cases get fast-tracked to the Court of Criminal Appeals.

The governor has no power pardon or reprieve someone condemned to death, without the state Board for Pardon and Parole recommendation. But this is an appointed body. I'm not sure if the governor can request they consider a prisoner, or whether they're stuck with predecessor's choices to the board, or can replace them at will. At any case, sometimes it seems like a game of blaming each other.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Captainapathy's picture

...all of that, costing millions of taxpayer dollars, yet still has the highest number of and fastest executions in the country. Also, they have the highest number of proven and suspected mistaken executions, beating out the rest of the country's historical numbers combined. As I recall, there were several judges in Texas that stated an intention to either ignore or circumvent the Supreme Court ruling against executing the mentally ill or handicapped. In Texas, often the burden of proof comes down to a confession signed by an illiterate man who is convenient to solving the case. There is no good reason to continue with the death penalty, other than it makes bloodthirsty asshats feel better...

... since, no doubt, whole bunches of people have been wrongfully accused of crimes that they didn't commit, and were found to be guilty as well.

Captainapathy's picture

...that's not at all the legal argument being weighed here, as there is no specific part of the constitution being challenged in your example. This is specifically a case of whether the death penalty either violates or has a great chance of violating the Eighth Amendment. Simply as an institution, I believe that it does, especially on the grounds of it being levied, in several cases, against innocent parties. Killing is barbarism, and never justice.

Annoyed Canuck's picture

There is no appeal once a death penalty is carried out.

glogrrl's picture

not of this planet. Of course, you will be doing it without your corporeal body.


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Former Texas minister Matt Baker found guilty of killing wife and faking her suicide note.


Study the symptoms not the virus...

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Dallas District Attorney Craig Watkins has gotten a number of people off of Death Row, and some their freedom, but my understanding is the state funds for that have run out.

Got to balance that budget don't you know...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Spaghetti Monster's picture

... but fuck it.

"More than 55, 70 percent of those polled statewide by the Houston Chronicle the Texas Poll three years ago said they believed that the state had executed innocent people. That same poll showed 69, 75 percent support for the death penalty." http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/d...

No wonder Bush was such a wackjob... it's a socially learned trait.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I used that as an argument in the Dallas Morning Nudes website against those who claimed to be Right-To-Life.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Floridiot's picture

to life as Governor, and that was Henry Lee Lucas, his soul mate

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

The funny thing is Henry Lee was confessing to murders he had no way of committing

Like someone confessing under torture...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Floridiot's picture

County Sheriffs departments unsolved case closer, if I remember correctly, at least about thirty different ones jumped on the Lucas band wagon.

Another witch hunt of the '80's

Can O Whoopass's picture

they have a prison wedding?

exitstan's picture

.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

They have tailgate parties outside the prison on the day of an execution.

But prison officials don't tell them when the execution is.

Although they might know by turning on radios.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

And that was at Yale.

MountainMan23's picture

Houston Chronicle Nov. 16, 2008:

Real-life experience: With the 'four horsemen of addiction' behind him, newly elected judge says he's ready

The devil tattooed on Kevin Fine's upper arm holds a razor blade, a mirror and an eight ball symbolizing cocaine. His forearm sports a tattoo of Jesus holding up a man who has collapsed amid the waves of a massive storm.

Elected by Harris County voters as a state district judge this month, Fine said he'll draw from his experiences as a cocaine addict who has been clean and sober for 10 years when presiding over felony cases.

"Every time I was coming down, I felt like the devil was reaching into my soul, stealing my heart," he said of his days spent with drugs.

The crumpled man in Jesus' arms is a metaphor for the way he later faced his own skeletons and weathered the problems of addiction, said Fine, a criminal defense lawyer who will take the bench in January.

Fine believes he is qualified to help those who truly want to battle their own demons and says he'll be able to spot the phonies.

His right arm is covered from shoulder to wrist in a sleeve of tattoos that mark various periods of his life, including the times he battled drugs and alcohol.

"I'm probably the only district judge with this many tattoos," he said. "At least the only one we know about."

Fine, a Democrat, campaigned on his life experiences, saying they would make him a better judge than his rival, Republican incumbent Devon Anderson.

"She did a good job, but I'm more qualified in the hopelessness and futility of addiction," Fine said.
...

More at link (including pic with some of his tattoos!).


Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!

One of the comments I read at the Chronicle was quite certain that because she could tats in the judge's photo, he was a thug only interested in saving his thug buddies. I would have laughed if the tone of the comment hadn't been so menacing.

These are actual human beings? People who get out of bed and breathe in and out all day? Hard to believe.


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

Truth_Critic's picture

"By the grace of God," he said, he never appeared in court or met with a client while he was high.

At least he didn't deny inhaling! ;)


Study the symptoms not the virus...

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

If he has to run for reelection this'll cost him.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Truth_Critic's picture

... He's not "Fine" with the death penalty. ;)


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Mugsy's picture

As a Houstonian, reading some of the comments here has me a bit offended.

Houston is becoming a welcome island of sanity in the BSC state, with having just elected the first openly gay mayor in the state's history (and the largest city in the country to ever do so). Not even "liberal" Austin can claim such a victory.

Our former Democratic mayor will be the Democratic opposition to Perry next November. That's two Democratic mayors in a row.

In 2000, Al Gore WON the City of Houston (within the city limits), and we can claim the late great Molly Ivans and the still great Jim Hightower as our own.

Texas doesn't represent Houston any more than Bush represented the entire country for eight years.


* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.

Annoyed Canuck's picture

Nobody's saying all Texans are evildoers.

Your state just executes too many convicts, that's all. Some of them apparently innocent.

exitstan's picture

I lived there (Austin) for twenty seven years. And I was seriously offended. As a liberal/atheist, I was considered a lower form of life than an old school Stalinist.

I have two favors to ask of you: instead of being offended by those who find Texans a disgusting bunch of people, why don't you challenge those who've trashed your reputation instead. This would be a far more productive endeavor.

Oh, the other favor: assuming you are a "moderate christian"... instead of challenging nasty atheists like myself, why don't you challenge the religious extremists in your own neck of the woods. They're the ones who've dragged you down -- not me.

Finally, Texans are not responsible for all of the worlds evils. Just some of them. If they would take the time to figure out which ones they are responsible for, it would be a very positive step indeed, and go a long way towards your... um... rehabilitation in the arena of world public opinion. (Of course, you would have to give a shit, first.)

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

This is probably true across the southwest, it's a holdover from the cowboy days.

And I reread Mugsy's comments twice and never saw any reference to religion.

And isn't taking offense at someone taking offense pointless?

And what you said about Texas taking responsibility for their part of the world evils, why should we when America itself does not?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

exitstan's picture

I'm indulging in the same paint brushing thing they do -- they taught me how. And I'm not apologizing for it.

I know that Texas is part of the US and not so different from the other 49 states. And I'm aware that just enough Americans in those other states put the ex Texas governor in the White House twice.

I also lived in SF for a dozen years, hoping for a bit more tolerable environment, but there too, I was disappointed.

Would you prefer I just paint all Americans? I could, and sometimes do, but I have personal reasons to insult Texans - some of whom get away with delivering numerous death threats with total impunity. A heavily armed ex-brother, and a USAF officer threaten to shoot me on sight. My ex-mother, delivers the threats from Georgetown, Texas, with total impunity. When I travel in the US, I am occaisionaly followed around airports -- the last time I was "escorted" by what I would call a "goon" from Austin to D.C. right after receiving 3 more explicit death threats. The intent is to scare the shit out of me. Instead, it just pisses me off more. I take the liberty of offending some Americans once in a while, especially Texans.

As for the religion remark... it's warranted and relevant. Those "evils" I was referring to are often done in the name of an imaginary friend, and justified by what they think that imaginary friend wants them to do.

I could go on and on... and probably even convince you that my venom is justified, but there is only so much you can say on an internet post-it. And it's dinner time down here in Brazil... The kitchen needs attention. (Maybe we could engage in some more civil discourse later.)

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

You're argument sounds warped, perhaps by your experience.

I practice Witchcraft semi-openly and no one bothers me.

What really bothers em is when I out argue them theologically with my knowledge of scripture, mythology and church history.

So far I've been disappointed by their lack of reaction when I read a newsletter called The Socialist on the DART train.

And oh yeah...I served in the Air Force. It's when I started practicing Witchcraft.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

And there's no such thing as an ex-mother, whether you like her or not.

And it was the rehnquist court that put boosh in the White House in open defiance of Article II sec I and Amendment XII.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

exitstan's picture

who made it just close enough to pull off.

Centrocitta's picture

He probably means ex mother-in-law and ex brother-in-law and by now I'm sure he knows that it wasn't a good idea for a European Catholic to marry into a redneck, born again, Texas family.

exitstan's picture

Someone who practices witchcraft tells me my argument sounds warped. And what the hell do I need to know about theology? What a waste of time. Reality is far more interesting, and paying attention to it helped me take the appropriate actions in time, as the society around me gradually went mad.

You seem like the type I am all too familiar with... the kind that glibly accommodates himself to mass murder. Sorry to break it to you... the age of impunity is over. Good luck with the efficacy of your quiver of jokes.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I wasn't going to bring it up, but with your own description of a dysfunctional family you either had no chance, or you're doing something to cause people to treat you differently, or you might need to see a competent therapist.

I'm curious about mankind, that has led me to study their religions, including the ones now dead, among other societal institutions. I don't denounce I study, compare, contrast primarily to amuse myself.

Just the other day at work, at an all day conference one of the speakers asked if any of us knew about the fight-or-flight response, and without thinking I raised my hand, and after acknowledgment answered his questions in a neurocognitive and biological sense that startled everyone there. He used my comments to springboard further into his own.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

glogrrl's picture

you sound like an interesting person. I like the way you think. Keep it up---maybe it'll rub off on other people and not everybody in the country will be mentally stunted. As to religion, I don't care what yours is as long as you don't proselytize me. Chacun a son gout.


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Mine was essentially to add structure to my explorations. I've seen people whose minds seemed to be turned by excessive studying with no underlying structure to hold it all together.

And by structure I'm not arguing for biases. However, that's one of the first thing a person has to look for within themselves if they're studying is going to be efficacious.

Some days I'm probably a hard-core believer in my Goddess, since I live in a fundie state, but that's only mental preservation. Some days it's more abstract principles, and some days maybe both.

All I know is I was a typical slacker kid in the Air Force, and studying Witchcraft did something to wake my brain up. I tend to think it was meditation, because it got my brain used to concentrating for durations longer than the average TV commercial.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

exitstan's picture

I have done what was necessary to live with myself, and it worked quite well. And yes, sometimes I still vent at that murderously dysfunctional family known as the American people. There is no law in any country which prohibits me from openly disliking and disrespecting Americans. Those who so easily forgive themselves of the most heinous types of attitudes and behavior -- because they believe their "exceptionalism" allows it -- must deal with the fact that some of us will not be so forgiving, yet. When they change, so will I. When Americans start dishing out respect to the rest of the world, I'll begin to respect them. If they give a millimeter, I might give two.

And like you, I am very interested in humanity, which is proven by my curiosity about and respect for people outside the USA, and by my historical knowledge -- which by American standards, is comprehensive. My reading and life experience has taught me a few things about religions. They have defined our civilizations, and I acknowledge that reality. They also continue to induce acts of murder suicide on an international scale. I acknowledge that reality as well.

As for the therapy remark... the problem is not inside me; the problem is external. It's you, the great American People. This problem is way beyond the competency of a therapist.

Liberalicious's picture

You need a broader brush to paint with there? Might want to look at your post again. Every state has its share of RW fanatics, so no need for blaming them all.....unless you agree with saying all blacks are criminal, or gays are pedophiles, or just use any negative trait to blanket a whole group of people.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture
Yep

I live in "liberal" Chicago, and my landlord is a racist, anti-government gun nut.

Centrocitta's picture

Texans already know which evils they are responsible for; they just don't want to fess up. Does JFK assasination ring a bell? Could it have been any more convenient with it happening in Dallas and then Johnson from Austin conveniently stepping in to continue the VietNam War. Who doesn't know that Texans are war mongers?

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Most of those involved came from out of state.

Oswald only moved down a few months earlier.

In the process, the governor Texas was nearly killed with Kennedy.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Texas doesn't represent Houston any more than Bush represented the entire country for eight years.

By the same token, Houston doesn't represent Texas. Anymore than Austin does.


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

While, admittedly, we're discussing the ruling of a judge in Houston, we're still discussing a law that covers the entire state. You've got to admit that if your state continually elects neanderthal asshats who pass laws that would make both Genghis Khan and Savonarola applaud giddily, and they elect them in overwhelming majorities, Texas has got a problem.

I empathize with you, though. As a lifelong denizen of a blue core city in a very red metropolitan area, I'm often viewed suspiciously when I tell progressives from other parts of the state that I'm from here. I just shrug it off, though, because they'd be correct in their assumptions about my metropolitan neighbors 70% of the time.

glogrrl's picture

secede?


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Truth_Critic's picture

Some of your Texan "Welcome stations" are bigger then many village's nationwide, relatively speaking. :P


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Liberalicious's picture

Including the pig ignorance. But some of us survive. Although I enjoyed living elsewhere a great deal. It's an okay place whn it's somewhat blue, but it can be a mean red. Honestly, the place is TOO big with a lot of sprawl or empty blah nothing inbetween towns/cities for the most part.

Can O Whoopass's picture

Bush had her killed for the same stuff he did.

It's not quite the same.

Tucker "found god" after she committed mass murder.

George Bu**sh** "found god" years before he murdered 147 in Texas, let alone the hundred thousand Iraqis and Afghans.

JohnnyBravo's picture

This judge thinks that the death penalty is unconstitutional? I think when somebody murders a police officer or anyone else for that matter is unconstitutional. I think when somebody sexually assaults a child or an adult it's unconstitutional. I think when people "thrill kill" or kill someone because "they looked at me wrong" it's unconstitutional. I think when a woman kills all of her children then says she did it because she's depressed, it's unconstitutional.

If some scumbag takes the life of someone else unjustly, that "person" deserves the death penalty. They shouldn't have to live on my tax dollars.


NOBODY 2012

No, the judge said that the PROCEDURE used to bring death penalty cases is unconstitutional. He never said a word about the death penalty itself.

As for the rest, you must be talking Texas state constitution because the only crimes mentioned by the US Constitution are treason, counterfeiting, and piracy. And of those, treason is the only crime that has its minimum standard set in the Constitution itself, in Article 3, Section 3.


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

Would that be a reserved power of the state?

Or were they arguing for a non-federal system of prisons? They had a proviso for future inferior courts as needed, in the Article III?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Right, because the Feds have ennumerated powers, and everything not specifically listed as a federal power, is reserved for the states.


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ysbaddaden's picture
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You have to be careful with that ennumerated powers argument, because that's what the conservatives use against Congressional regulatory powers, health care reform and social spending.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Michelle's picture

Like most Conservative arguments, states rights are malleable.


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Rascalcat's picture

if you were an innocent man on death row? I can not imagine anything worse and it happens way more often than you would think.

Captainapathy's picture
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...Death Penalty costs more than life imprisonment, first off.

Revenge killing makes us no more than barbaric savages. I believe that being as permissive as you seem to be about institutionalized revenge killing actually leads to a more culturally acceptable environment of killing itself. Countries that rid themselves of the death penalty rather quickly see a decrease in what we would consider capital crime. Beside all of that, it's an actual issue of whether the death penalty violates the Eighth Amendment. I believe that it does, and the judge in question thinks the argument has at least reviewable merit, concerning the procedures used in Texas to push through convictions that would hold water in no other state in the country, and few other countries outside of North Korea.

I believe that no one ever deserves to die, no matter what. You are entitled to your own opinion. But don't use emotion to argue constitutionality.

ysbaddaden's picture
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It's the delay that costs money, not the executions, but the delay is needful unless it's like in some countries where you're sentenced and then executed within 24 hours.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Liberalicious's picture

fries and a shake with that lethal injection?

Captainapathy's picture

...get rid of the penalty, you get rid of the delay,and the expenditure. The only people who are not happy are the blood-thirsty sadists who want us to hang them all...

Liberalicious's picture

going for appeal after endless appeal? As stated below, the death penalty DOES cost more than life imprisonment odd as that may sound. However, it does take a very special kind of person to forgive someone of murder. I can honestly say, if I was personally involved with the victim or the killer, I'm not sure how I'd feel. But don't use the economic factor as an excuse.

No civilized country kills its prisoners.

Corollary: Countries which kill their prisoners aren't civilized.

Some of which are:

Afghanistan
China (People's Republic)
Cuba
Egypt
Iran
Iraq
Korea, North
Libya
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
United States

You know you're on the wrong side when even Russia has effectively banned the "death penalty" (not legally on the books, but they haven't used it in a decade) despite having once been one of its biggest proponents, and despite several serial killers being tried and convicted since then.

jimbojames's picture

will receive or has already received?

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