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If you didn't watch Rachel Maddow's debate with Pat Buchanan Thursday night, you missed an outstanding display of corporate media-financed white supremacy.

Pat Buchanan repeated the same exhausting argument that Judge Sotomayor is unqualified for the Supreme Court and therefore doesn't deserve the nomination -- in fact, she's been elevated, in Pat's estimation, based solely on race and not intellect. He said to Rachel:

I don't think Judge Sotomayor is qualified for the United States Supreme Court. She has not shown any great intellect here or any great depth of knowledge of the Constitution. She's never written anything that I've read in terms of a law review article or a major book or something like that on the law.

Oh.

So qualifications are suddenly important to Pat.

While pissing all over Judge Sotomayor's qualifications, judicial record, accomplishments and achievements, Pat Buchanan thinks Sarah Palin! is qualified to be President of the United States.

Sarah Palin -- who couldn't accurately describe the duties of the vice president during a nationally televised vice presidential debate. Remember this?

I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.

Sarah Palin -- a politician who's less intellectually curious than George W. Bush, has less experience and fewer credentials than the worst president in American history. And Pat Buchanan thinks she's the best Republican ever. Presidential material.

But Judge Sotomayor is intellectually unqualified for the Supreme Court, right? And Sarah Palin is qualified for the highest office in the land.

What conclusion can we draw from this inconsistency? Easy. Pat Buchanan hates brown people. Read his latest awful editorial and tell me this isn't true. If he doesn't hate brown people, he simply, then, believes white males are far superior in almost every way (to be fair, he admits to Maddow that blacks can run fast).

He continues by complaining that white people are being discriminated against and this is a terrible crime. What Pat Buchanan will never admit is that for every one Frank Ricci, there are literally thousands of Americans with dark skin or "exotic" names who are being held back or punished or imprisoned for no other reason than their race or ethnicity. It's been that way for hundreds of years here.

This naturally doesn't make discrimination against white people "okay." In an imperfect system, though, correcting our massive racial imbalance means that, unfortunately, a few Frank Ricci types fall through the cracks. But if people like Pat Buchanan would embrace the spirit of correcting the imbalance, we'd be able to fix these cracks.

Ultimately, however, Pat Buchanan is an old white man who is clinging desperately -- and desperately is the appropriate adverb -- to the past, as Rachel pointed out. He fears the inevitable browning of America and so he's lashing out more and more often with this venomous, divisive, hate-mongering language.

The serious question here is whether MSNBC will continue to finance his clearly white supremacist views. If there's anyone in America who doesn't deserve more air time, it's people like Pat Buchanan. They had their time and they failed. Their reign was destructive and a blight on American history. They have no place in the discourse anymore.

Time to step aside, Pat. For the good of the country.

(Cross posted at BobCesca.com)

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Wilber1's picture

hey, do you spend as much time getting worked up over the "legacy" system at universities? Do you get angry when the George Bush's of the world get into schools like Yale with grades that should get them into junior colleges because they came from a family with the right last name, money and political connections? Of course you don't, because that benefits white people, rich people, and you're nothing but a KKK fanboy. See how easy that is?

If we do anything about the huge economic advantages given to white people (if you're too lazy a white man, I'm white myself, I'll post you links about the differences in wealth between races that goes back to the time in our country when non-white, non-male, non-property owners couldn't vote and had no basic rights) we're "socialists" or something else. It's only when we indirectly do something to benefit people, obviously not like you, that the world is ending.

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

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Some stuff you can't make up!

Renman's picture

A true pig, wanting those with darker pigmentation to keep their ass at the back of the bus, as God and white men intended ...

jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s's picture

Pat's upset that black people have been 'carried by white people' the last thirty years. I guess when you carry white people on your back for 200 you have to switch at some point.

theOtherJK's picture

That post was very well put. I saw the Buchanan interview on air, and I was appalled. By any standard of decency, it should have been an Al Campanis moment.

But it wasn't.

Serendipitydude's picture

that was one of the best, concise take-downs of human garbage like PB that I've read in a long time. Bravo.

Shadowgm's picture

... just underscores how low the news media has sunk. We don't have journalistic integrity or objectivity - we have smarmy torture apologists like Chuck Todd and crusty old Nazi relics like Pat Buchanan polluting the airwaves.

theFonze's picture

At least you can't fault him for speaking his mind. Some of his ideas actually make a lot of sense. He is well-spoken at least.

Shadowgm's picture

... to what stellar bit of wisdom were you referring to?

Andy K's picture
HA!

He is well-spoken at least.

How the hell would you know? You can't spell "Buchanan" even though it's splashed all over the page. You can't even spell "Fonz" correctly.

This is what comes from home schooling.

theFonze's picture

In 1969, Pat Buchanon had his name changed from Buchanan in order that he would be lower in the draft. Hence he volunteered.

ThunderMonkey's picture

What citation do you have for that BS story?

Pat was working for Nixon in 1969 (at the age of 31) and he was drafted in 1960, but was later rejected by the draft board.

That my friends is where theFonze jumped the shark.

(even though I hate to use that expression).


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

Andy K's picture

He was given a 4-F exemption due to his arthritis. He was rejected for military service.

albabe's picture

Really? You can't fault someone for speaking his mind? WTF does that mean? I suppose you'd going give kudos to some Racist Nazi Sympathizer and Holocaust Denier, that screamed at the top of his Free Speech-endowed lungs the same credit?

Pat deserves NO credit for his being ALLOWED to express his Regressive, Idiot, Archaic Opinions. He should be reviled for his opinions.


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Bobbie's picture

Because they, O'Reily, Beck, Limbaugh, etc, etc, call themselves commentators. We aren't 'newsman', they claim (and they are certainly right about that).

I remember when John Chancellor went from anchoring to being a commentator. You may not always agree with his views, but I can guarantee you would hear a well thought out, cogent, and thoughtful piece.

Vincennes's picture

We all know Pat is qualified to be an idiot.

moniker's picture

Spiro Agnew resigned from office, and Buchanan idolized him. Sarah Palin resigned from office, and Buchanan idolized her. If he resigned, he would no doubt idolize himself.

Q's picture

Ha, Ha, HA!!!

Edwin's picture

He already does.


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

Mr. Green Jeans's picture

also does something more to himself.


"Let's talk dirty to the animals"

leftwingwacko's picture

I disagree that MSNBC should fire Pat Buchannan. We need to keep a few guys like him around so that we NEVER forget what a real racist pig like he is.

keinsignal's picture

The guy's a walking strawman, a useful idiot, the hard-right-wing version of Colmes. So there's that.

But more than that, I also have to respect him as a man of integrity, although that may seem like an odd thing to say - he's been more than willing to defect from his own party when they back things that go against his personal beliefs. His magazine, American Conservative, publishes writers from the Exile for chrissakes (by no means a right-wing publication - Matt Taibbi was one of their founders). I think he's wrong, most if not all of the time, but I can see why Maddow likes to debate him - he's sincere, he's committed to his principles, and he seems to understand what he's arguing for and why, which is more than I can say for almost every other TV and radio pundit right, left or center.

Edwin's picture

I disagree with your disagree. Put out the flames and make sure to quash the embers too. They re-ignite.


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

exitstageleft's picture

....we had Archie Bunker filling that need!!! When we turned on the News, we got Walter Cronkite!

Floridafish's picture
covered's picture

keeping the neo-con brigade on. think about it. have you ever seen so many fucking cheeneys on their air? "Ed" always has an argumentative neocon on. Mathews still drags Tom Delay on. IMO, Olbermann has lost his edge and we have to wait all day for Rachel, who I think is the best on the air these days...and then she brings on this kook. the last eight years went so far right it makes moderates look hard left. I think that's what rove wanted all along. Big Media suck. I will still watch it some, but not much.

konchster's picture

I was disappointed in our girl Rachel (whom I love) in that she allowed "Uncle Pat" to talk over her and yell her down. She made good points but let him dominate. I just fail to see why MSNBC hosts pay this homage to the racist old fart


Politics is ugly

fiver's picture

Forget the bankers' ripoff already in stage three; forget the health care ripoff in progress,; forget two ongoing unjustifiable wars; forget the disappearing middle class; forget torture; forget blacks imprisoned at many times the rate as whites - and for longer.

A right winger has said something we don't like.

It is extremely important that we focus 80% of our energy on the distraction of a culture warrior who represents nobody. Hey, maybe we can even stoke the culture war from the left by focusing on hate crimes or the elimination of the Second Amendment.

What's Ann Coulter been up to?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

albabe's picture
?

So... You're one of those folks that think the rest of us can't Walk and Chew Gum at the same time?

It's good to be incensed by the likes of jerks like Buchanan... otherwise the masses remain apathetic.


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covered's picture

keeping the neo-con brigade on. think about it. have you ever seen so many fucking cheeneys on their air? "Ed" always has an argumentative neocon on. Mathews still drags Tom Delay on. IMO, Olbermann has lost his edge and we have to wait all day for Rachel, who I think is the best on the air these days...and then she brings on this kook. the last eight years went so far right it makes moderates look hard left. I think that's what rove wanted all along. Big Media suck. I will still watch it some, but not much.

fiver's picture

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Corruption favors the wealthy.

covered's picture

I tried "blockquote" on edit so I'll quit while I'm behind :(

fiver's picture

I had the same problem.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Van's picture

This isn't immediately relevant to the topic at hand, but I gotta say:

That "It's Pat" tagline under his picture makes me chuckle. I love Rachel's sense of humor. What's especially funny is it refers to the androgynous character played by Julia Sweeney on SNL a few years back.

I doubt Buchanan gets the joke.

Ape-Man's picture

right - i thought the same thought.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

SickupandFed's picture

Why does anyone listen to this buttmunch?

Ape-Man's picture

Im not so sure anyone does... i don't - he never talks about the topic and he's all over the place and he waves his hands around as if that will help him make sense.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

eqwinter's picture

Rachel Maddow is a nice person and an excellent broadcaster, but Buchanan crushed her like a bug. She came in with no research, no knowledge of Sotomayor's writings, background, and experience, much less Buchanan's well-documented weaknesses and blind spots. He owned her. She did sloppy work. Shame on her.

Renman's picture

What show were you watching? Yelling loud is not crushing someone. She lead him beautifully into revealing his remarkably stupid, bigoted self. She was contained, alert and flipped him over on top of himself. There was no doubt who the idiot was in that discussion, and she guided him into it.

theFonze's picture

Im fairly certain that Rachel showed her true colors in this interview. Pat Buchanon was clearly on top of this argument from the get-go. I mean when you are right youre right, and Pat Buchanon nailed this one on the head.

ThunderMonkey's picture

That "white Americans" (whatever that means) "deserves" to be on the Supreme Court because they made this country what it is?

Pat has a very, very narrow view of what Affirmative Action is, and because of that narrow view, he lost every argument after that.

You don't judge a debate by simply who yelled the loudest or talked the longest. You listen for the content of their words and if they have any supportive arguments to state their case.

Pat had none, other than half-truths, outright lies and pure mythology.


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

theFonze's picture

All I know is that Rachel talks with her hands. And that says something about somebody.

theFonze's picture

her words alone don't carry her argument so she needs body language to help.

Edwin's picture

You're having a lot of fun here I can see. Are you in training for Fox; a protege?


"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!

ThunderMonkey's picture

into the crags.

Either that or the shark got 'em.


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

Wilber1's picture

The people on fox are well connected, usually come from well off families and good number of them are decently intelligent (they use their intelligence in evil ways and play dumb). This guy is a working class internet poster who thinks they give a damn about him when they're paid by the people screwing him over to fool people like him. If he were more intelligent he wouldn't be such a dupe in the first place. No, people like him have been screwed over (as most know, we are turning into a de-industrialized country and wages have stagnated or declined for most of the country for about four decades now) and people like Limbaugh are paid well to blame other people for it by those actually doing it. Limbaugh does it well and guys like this are useful idiots.

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

and too accurate.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Q's picture

I think The Fonze just jumped the shark...with Pat Buchanan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter...

ThunderMonkey's picture

Pat Buchanon [sic]?


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

but then there'd be no little green footballs.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Bix12's picture

In the few posts of yours I've read, Fonze, it's become sadly obvious that you're yet another product of the deep-seated, almost subliminal "hatred class".

It's my opinion that you've been programmed from a young age to characterize others you might not agree with in sweeping generalizations & broad prejudices--let's call it "Buchanan's Syndrome"...or maybe even "Session's Neurosis".

Pat's tirade against Ms. Sotomayor was nothing short of nauseating, as were most of the "questions" Republicans put to her during her confirmation hearing.

I can only surmise that ignorance is not merely a lack of education, but something much more insidious--a form of behaviour instilled into a child's formative mind by either family or community...or more likely, both. I personally consider it a form of child abuse, which later manifests itself when that child becomes an adult in ways that can only poison society.

That being said, I am optimistic that this sort of reprehensible & damaging thinking is slowly eroding away--still, it will be a long time before all people are treated justly & equally.

albabe's picture

Re:Bix12

That was great. Thanx!


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dnyknot's picture
yea

thats what makes you bait , body language = live bait , good luck no not really youre toast already where did you hatch from ? .


every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .

ThunderMonkey's picture

Pat's hand gestures look as if he's going to strangle someone.

Wow...you really are fishing for a win here, aren't you?


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

albabe's picture

Rachel talks with her hands??? That's hysterical... especially in that Pat talks out of his A$$.


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CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

or trolling?


Some stuff you can't make up!

albabe's picture

I'm curious what Rachel's "true colors" were? Please explain.

As for Pat being "on top of his argument," I agree. He was right up there on top of it, smacking any semblance of anything other than his racist senility, into oblivion.


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CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

you are obviously a troll and racist.


Some stuff you can't make up!

albabe's picture

Rachel allowed him enough string to hang himself. She didn't even have to respond to make Pat look like an ass.


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Q's picture

Rachel pwned Pat.

Good article on HuffPost...

Rachel Maddow Takes On Pat Buchanan (VIDEO): "You're Playing With Fire... You're Living In The 1950s"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/17/rach...

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Q's picture

Here is a petition to MSNBC to fire Pat Buchanan as a "commentator" and quit paying him to spew his biogted hate-filled crap...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ask-msnbc-to...

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

"What would Pat Buchanan have to say to get himself fired by MSNBC?"

I have to repeat the question. His hate does not entitle him to his own facts.


Some stuff you can't make up!

ladies that come in various shades of brown. He's a sad, pitiful little old man.


I've never seen change without a fire

Bix12's picture

His "debate" with Rachel was pathetic. One, (of many), things he said was when he used the battles of Gettysburg & D-Day as an example of the obvious superiority of White males.

He drew attention to the fact that there were no Brown or Black soldiers fighting along side God's Chosen Whites. Now, unless I'm mistaken, the reason for that was the racist policies of the U.S. military, not any lack of patriotism, bravery or sense of duty on the part of non-whites.

Institutionalized racism has held back everyone except White males, plain & simple.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

and so is rachel

pat is wrong, cuz he is a racist buffoon

but rachel is wrong in her numbers

there have been 2 black males and 2 white females on the supremes

and there has been one hispanic (cardozo)

and im sorry, but as pat and other racist slobs dont see jews as being white, you also have to count the few jewish apointees as among the non white

btw...what the fuck is "reverse racism" either one is a racist, or one is not

wouldnt reverse racism be hating oneself for being inferior to oneself?

ThunderMonkey's picture

I thought the Supremes were a predominately Motown group.

Jeez... I wished people, Rachel included, quit using demographics such as African-American and Latino to describe race.

We're all the same species last I check. (Except for Glenn Beck, I pretty sure he's an invertebrate).


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

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"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

ThunderMonkey's picture

I behaved myself and when I saw that the previous post was deleted I was in the process of deleting my comment when it was purged.

[No harm, no foul-Sitemonitor]


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

mudshark's picture

Has anyone seen my comment? I know I had one around here somewhere.:)


What is your conceptual, continuity?

dnyknot's picture
so

are Italians counted as whites ? just asking


every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

poor whites were discriminated against by the wealthier whites.


Some stuff you can't make up!

jimbo92107's picture

Pat Buchanan's old saw about how white males built everything and deserve special treatment has become incredibly stale and sour. People of all colors have been contributing enormously to this country, and for Buchanan to deliberately ignore that fact simply exposes him more widely as the racist bully we always knew he was.

Rachael Maddow is far too polite to this nasty old man. There is no longer any reason to give this malevolent racist a soap box to spew his bile at a national audience.

Trantorian's picture

By Buchanan's logic, it's only appropriate that an African American should reside in the White House. After all, they built the fucking thing.


The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith

Tom Wood's picture

Why does Buchanan assume that being an "affirmative action baby" means being unqualified and inferior? Maybe being an affirmative action pick means that being black or female or hispanic would have kept you from being noticed at all UNLESS affirmative action was considered. I think Sotomayor meant that she was qualified but that nobody would have bothered to look in her direction without affirmative action; they would have just picked one of the white guys the way they always did in the past. The problem here is that Buchanan and those like him just CANNOT believe that anybody is the equal of white males; they are convinced, without even being consciously aware of it, that the only way any black or hispanic or woman can be picked over a white man is if actual qualifications are not the primary consideration.

Shadowgm's picture

... has always struck me as specious on its face.

If we construe discrimination as something like 'separate but equal' water fountains, and the remedy is to make the water fountain useable by all, regardless of race, at what point does that decision become 'reverse discrimination'?

If exclusive membership to a club, based on race, is the grounds for a ruling of discrimination, and the remedy is to allow membership to all races, when does it become 'reverse discrimination'? Wouldn't you have to say, 'These black people can come in, but these white people can't'? Or establish that the club also has a limited amount of memberships, and these are now, within the space of a month or a year, suddenly disproportionately distributed?

ThunderMonkey's picture

much like Reagan's Welfare Queen stories.


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

Wilber1's picture

that noone ever brings up the legacy system? Georege freaking Bush got into Yale with average at best grades, there is no way in hell he deserved to get into Harvard Business school...his daddy and grand daddy was very rich and important, so he got in. How many people get into schools, many elite schools, based on their economic and family backgrounds. As usual, economic favoratism, which has a lot to do with institutional racism, which necesitates affirmative action in response, is rarely brought up.

Buckeyegirl's picture

W. was barely a C student. So what's this bullshit Pat brings up that Sotomayor didn't have the grades, what about her LSAT's, everybody graduates cum laude, etc. I'm sure she had grades that far exceeded anything that fucking ass ever got. He was a frat boy and a member of Skull and Bones, another one of those white male only secret societies whose members are well connected so they can become the next generation of power brokers. And let's not forget McCain who barely made it out of the Naval Academy. His appointment sure wasn't based on his superior intellect and grades, but only because Grand Pappy and Pappy got him in. Yeah there are a couple of real brain trusts. But hey they're white men so it's all good in Pat's opinion. This racist old bastard needs to go. Should have been gone a long time ago.

Ape-Man's picture

Legacy system = reverse racism

BTW - McCain caused more problems than he ever solved.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

is likely not a bad idea, I disagree that he should be paid for his opinions. Then again, that would be a tad too much like slavery.

Marcia from Mass.'s picture

Write directly to MSNBC: letters@msnbc.com
Here's what I wrote tonight:
Pat Buchanan's racism is not hiding anymore behind his deftness with the English language. It is oozing out of his pores and poisoning your network.
His hateful attacks on Sonia Sotomayor speaks volumes. If he's still under
contract with MSNBC, I would encourage your legal staff to work very hard
to get his sorry anachronistic a-- off the set--for good!

POE's picture

This link pretty much sums up Pat's outlook on non whites.

In another memo from Buchanan to Nixon: "There is a legitimate grievance in my view of white working-class people that every time, on every issue, that the black militants loud-mouth it, we come up with more money.... If we can give 50 Phantoms [jet fighters] to the Jews, and a multi-billion dollar welfare program for the blacks...why not help the Catholics save their collapsing school system." (Boston Globe, 1/4/92)

The fact that Eugene can sit next to this person is amazing.

Is this more evidence of a Catholic cabal at MSNBC?

Becca's picture

At one point, he starts to rant about how it was "100% white guys" who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, and at Normandy -- which is flat out untrue.

An estimated 200 thousand African American soldiers died during the Civil War, and 18,000 were at Normandy on D-Day

It's long since time Buchanan was put out to pasture.

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

I'm shutting down the video. I can't take it.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Trdy's picture

I know, takes a lot for right wing drivel to actually anger me these days but such blatant dishonesty or utter stupidity was pretty shocking.
Should point out becca that the article says 200 thousand served, not died, it says 40 thousand deaths. Still blows Pat's assertion completely out of the water tho.

freequark's picture

There clearly is a bias in academia and the corporate world against native-born Americans of modest means - particularly white and black males. It's just a fact, immigrants and children of immigrants have a much better chance of gaining acceptance to college or finding employment in this country than white or black Americans from poor backgrounds. While the anti-Americanism of liberals is responsible for some of this, it's also true that people with a foreign background are simply perceived as being harder working and more intelligent than native-born Americans. A few years ago in fact, the President of Cal Tech wrote an op-ed stating that Americans were dumb and that high end academic positions should be reserved for immigrants.

While Pat Buchanan is wrong on a lot of issues, his *nativist* arguments do have a certain resonance, and people on the left should have the temerity to admit that.

technoguru's picture

I did not read all the posts so maybe someone hit on this already, but Pat starts listing stats like 100% of the signers of the declaration... then 100% of those who died at antietam, vicksburg, and d-day were white , which may or may not be true, but he forgets, there were plenty of minorities who volunteered to serve and fight but we had a segregated army that would not allow minorities to fight, just shows how empty his argument was from the start

uboat's picture

I couldn't sit through all that. Did Maddow actually manage to make any other point apart from harping on the "108 out of 110 supremes have been white men" line? (a figure that is hardly suprising given the historical level of discrimination against non-whites in the US).

Buchanan may be a racist old fart, but he did at least manage to sound as if he'd done something more to prepare himself for the interview than memorize a statistic.

syborg's picture

Totally agree. I expected a better arguement from her.

albabe's picture

Pat has done lots to prepare him for the "argument." He's been blithering his racist inane idiocy for many many years. Sounds like "preparation" to me.

Your point about Rachel actually managing "to make any other point..." is specious. Pat just filibustered her the entire time... and she was gracious enough to let him hang his own sorry A$$.


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Hieronymus Braintree's picture

...who said it but there's an old political adage to the effect that one should never interfere with an opponent when he's in the act of destroying himself.

Leave Pat alone. The guy's crashing and burning. As Bob Shrum observed, he's driving Latinos away from the party in droves which can help ensure that Democrats never lose another presidential election for the forseable future.

As an oft-derided concern troll, I tell you the best thing we can hope for is to have Republicans do our dirty work for us. Pat is smearing the Republican Party. If it were possible for us to do so we should give him even more air time. Demanding that he be taken off helps Republicans not Democrats.

dnyknot's picture

Napoleon Bonaparte


every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .

Norse's picture

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is about to do a mistake"

was the actual wording, albeit in french.

Limp-Dick Blimpaugh's picture

Pat is a excellent example of the proud bigots in the Right Wing-Nut party.

orpark's picture

It is time to put duct tape on Pat for good. Who needs to be reminded that there is racism in our lives daily. White men have been persecuted??? Please, he needs to go away because there are people in America that agree with Pat. He does not need a voice - he can go to Fox NEWS???

Paul's picture

I need some mind soap to wash away the filth that was coming out of his mouth. GE/MSNBC should be embarrassed with themselves.

One thing I had to laugh about (it's better than beating my head with a hammer) was the point where he held Scalia up as the intellectual gold standard, saying that Obama should find those candidates who could hold their own with or against him. Scalia?!? Scalia is a cretin. How could anybody equate Scalia's low cunning for crafting shabby rationalizations as intellectual prowess? That's rich. That's really rich.
The only intellectual thing I've seen Scalia distinguish himself for is intellectual dishonesty. But, then again, that's Pat's strong point, too.

BTW, Buchanan never seems to have gotten the point that one of the underlaying purposes of Affirmative Action was to create role models of "success" in minority communities that had relentlessly been denied opportunities to participate in the American idea of success. It was understood at the time that the process would take time, but the investment would worth it, because the outcome would be beneficially transformative. Our society would become more just. The power of example would inspire the next generation to participate and to strive, simply because the concrete evidence would exist to show that the work would pay off. In that regard, Affirmative Action was not only a means of creating opportunities, it was an invitation for everybody to participate in the mainstream American experience.

One of the things that makes Pat Buchanan's bigoted and racist rants so offensive, is that you know.... you know... that had Affirmative Action never been crafted, and the benefits it has wrought had never have been realized, he would be sitting there today self-righteously and smugly proclaiming that this or the other minority group deserves it's place at the bottom of the social heap, because, "Jeez, look at them....they've never achieved anything in society!There lack of achievement proves they don't deserve anything." It's the same thinking kind of rationalizations that were deployed back in the day when injustice was excused by claiming that, "It's their natural state". I don't know who Buchanan thinks he's fooling.

jmmartin's picture

Doggonit, John, you missed the most telling moment in the Maddow-Buchanan debate: when Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comment was compared by Buchanan to African-American sports figures and found wanting. Buchanan now joins Nick "the Greek" as Prime Racist material. He said that he would have no trouble acknowledging the superiority of some sports figures who happen to the black because, obviously, blacks are superior in sports. This got Nick the Greek fired as a TV sports commentator, a persona non grata in that field. Why doesn't NBC and its cable affiliates dump Buchanan for the same gaffe? I suppose Barrack Obama should be sent to the basketball court, he's so unqualified to be chief executive of the U.S. Buchanan, shame on you! Shame! Shame!


"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez

mclib's picture

as I watched him spew his white supremacist crap the other night. I had to change the channel. I could not believe what I was hearing. This guy is nucking futs.

Last night, Lawrence O'Donnell, subing for Matthews, actually called him "MSNBC's crazy uncle." Crazy like a fox,this is shaping up to be the major wingnut position. They are trying to whip people up into a race hating frenzy. Remember Rwanda?

Kathy in St. Louis's picture

for saying so much less than this about 15 years ago? Why is Buchanan immune from reprisals for his racist comments? I don't always agree that every rude comment about a person of color is necessarily "racist", but this is a pattern with Buchanan. If one of his employers doesn't say enough, this will just escalate.

GarretBlazewitz's picture

Although I disagree with almost everything Pat Buchanan stands for, he nevertheless says out loud what many don't dare to say.
As long as there are anchors such as smart and educated as Rachel to firmly, but civilly, contradict him when he crosses the line, he should stay.
It is good for the country to have borderline extremism blown out of the water on TV.

dangada's picture

MSNBC must cease providing a platform for shameless bigotry.

1. Sign petition to fire Buchanan from MSNBC: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ask-msnbc-to...

2. Use Twitter hashtag #FirePatBuchanan

Nietzschean's picture

In re Sotomayor's intellect, Buchanan didn't say anything that left-wing law professor Jonathan Turley said about her on Olbermann's show a month or two ago: she's a lightweight.

Woodbine's picture

Thanks for the hate!

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