Bob Shrum explodes over Pat Buchanan's racism as Limbaugh uses MLK against Sotomayor
Andrea Mitchell did a segment yesterday afternoon about Rush Limbaugh's insane attack against Obama's Supreme Court nominee by saying Sonia Sotomayor was tearing down Martin Luther King's dream about race relations, I kid you not. Bob Shrum went off on Pat Buchanan after the MSNBC Republican analyst went into a racist diatribe about Sonia Sotomayor and President Obama.
I don't think I've ever seen him get into it like that before. Buchanan is arguing that the civil rights movement was about protecting the rights of white people. I think. The viciousness with which Buchanan talks about race in America and Sonia Sotomayor is appalling, and frankly I don't know how he sleeps at night.
Limbaugh: Now, you want to enshrine racism on the Supreme Court. It's a setback for civil rights. Dr. King, you judge a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. it seems that all of his proponents have forgotten his number one goal...
Yes, Limbaugh actually tried to frame this debate using MLK's best wishes against Obama and Sotomayor. Can you believe that? Pat Buchanan does.
Mitchell: Do you disagree with anything Rush Limbaugh said?
Buchanan: Yeah, I do agree, I don't agree with some of the terms, but I do agree Sonia Sotomayor [he pronounces her name wrong, probably on purpose] does believe in race-based justice basically at the expense of white males and to advance people of color. The truth is that's what Barack Obama believes as well.
See, Pat needed to disavow some of Limbaugh's rhetoric to try and outdo it apparently. When Shrum came in to respond, Buchanan attacked his own record of political victories ... and that set up the fireworks.
Buchanan: You've got that hostility and bigotry toward white males in America...
Yes, they are trying a race baiting reversal on civil rights. It's astonishing. I didn't know white men in America were so persecuted. Pat uses the Republican talking point and the distorted passage from her Berkeley talk against Sonia too.... Keep it white and male, you Republicans. It's what you do.
they are no longer permitted to pretend they aren't privileged.
That's the GREATEST privilege: the privilege to pretend you are not privileged. The corollary is the privilege to pretend you would have prospered, and deserved it, just because you work extra hard, and being white has nothing to do with it...
is buchanan insane?
i'll answer my own question...Buchanan is insane and the media is also for having this racist nutcase on.
He would have to be at this point. I'm just glad he gets to live with himself now. That's gotta hurt being Pat Bucanan all the time. Maybe they'll stop booking him on TV now... what are the names of producers that book him time and again?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
on my TV!! This guy is one sick pup, who is living at least 160 years after his PERFECT AMERICA was contemporary. This guy just doesn't seem to notice what he hyrocrite he is in just one sentence! Here is my memory of one of his sentences within the last month, on Hardball.
Legacies are good, because they have been "earned" by the family, while Affirmative Action is bad because it based on "preference", rather than performance!
POT, call KETTLE Black!
pat, billo, beck, rove and limpballs
are all insecure little bastard boys
who are bullies and from privileged
white families who feel entitled.
i am a 62y white male, i hope
they all burn in the pile of excrement
they come from. they were fed
zoodoo from the day they fell
out of their mothers.
Alls I keep seeing is a bunch of wite men complaining about how an ethnic woman might keep them down.
Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
Andrea Mitchell looks as distorted as the pretend "news" she dishes...
There, how does that feel, Andrea?! That's about the same as the load of crap you've featured from this poor wee mannie who shouldn't be granted one scintilla of airtime!
The Prototypical Republican White Male--mired in his tired old bullshit and too stubborn to change.
really ought to ask them: "Do you have an alternate list of SCOTUS nominees? A multi-racial list? A list that shows the Nominee's true background, education and achievements?
"
Just who do Buccy, Limpy and Grinchy, and Cheeny recommend?
Yap yap yap! 1000 years of whites exploiting every known race on every
inhabited continent in the name of God, Glory and Gold, will not be
wiped away by a female, Hispanic Supreme Court Judge...but it's
a start!!!!
Nothing more childish than pronouncing someone's name wrong. Why is this vile racist on the air? Send him to Faux where he belongs.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
No, keep him right where he is. The people who watch MSNBC, mostly liberals, need to see how people like him feel. They need to see that there really are these racists out there who think that they are correct in their feelings. That way the liberals, us, will not forget that our job will never be done.
I would agree if they put him on once or twice a week. They shamelessly put this guy on all the time morning, noon, and night. That's over the top.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
get him off MSNBC and shlep him to Faux. That is where he belongs. C&L can keep track of him.
hey ctalk - ur so right...ship him over to faux where he can spew his hate speech with his like minded buddies...
Or how about their ill-fated effort to call it the "Democrat Socialist Party"? That was not just childish but truly laughable.
Buchanan used to be an embarrassment. He is now dispicable.
"...I used to be disgusted, but now I just try to be amused..."
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
she is getting through
they found one case and two comments from a 17 years judicial record
i love it....we are watching the death of the repukes and the conservative movement in america
I would agree %100 but they still have control of the largest, loudest, and moneyed megaphones this country's media has to offer. No matter how little they have or how twisted the logic they use everyone gets to hear the message. They frame the debate to the extreme and act as if their lies are the conventional wisdom. Corporate media will invent conflict to attract eyeballs and call it news.
mindset, an outlook, and probably a kind of illness in which emotion is favored over reason, even to the detriment of the thinker. Wingnuts have been around forever, and until evolution or a very bad event removes them from the planet, they'll be with us, making the planet miserable (and possible unlivable).
Pat Buckhead off MSNBC. Email the network and protest this asswipe being part of the programing.
He's been allowed to get away with it all these decades and now, someone is just weighing in on it to his face?
But it's ok when its 'race-based justice basically at the expense of people of color and to advance white males.'
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Poor fuckin white men, afraid of women, a black planet, brown people, no money, losing a house or two...man oh man. The white man DOES have it tough.
They can dish out the hostility and bigotry, but they can take a reversal of fortune. I eagerly await Darwin.
me-oww!
The Buchanan's, Limbaugh's Hannity's and Coulter's of the world all believe that they are in fact justified to have all that they have because they worked for it. Only trouble is that the playing field for work was so heavily stacked in their lily white butt's favor when they were seeking opportunity. They don't realize that what made this country great was that fact that we were all foreigners at one time. Their idea of opportunity is "I got mine so you go get yours" when the chances are not nearly as opportunistic as they were for them. They are nothing more than transparent Americans who fear real freedom and opportunity when it is not for them and their inner circle. Damn you all.
Who are we more afraid of? Sotomayor or a flesh-eating slug with razor teeth?
under the radar in an area that has been so thoroughly explored?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
This guy clearly represents the last of a dying breed and as far am I'm concerned can't be gone from the national stage soon enough. Buchanan and his Nixonian-based 1950's rhetoric are done..Nixon was a crook and Buchanan probably is as well..but for SURE he is a loser...
He does fit in at Faux and should be over there with his brethren...they can all go out of business together..all move to south alabama together...and live on Hailey Barbour's house boat.....spitin and have a few beers...
Buchanan what a racist, will some one tell him I have some of my friends that are of color and speak with accents going to oogle his daughter and try and get dates with his grand daughters. This piece of FECAL matter calls himself a christian> Further proof that the Wing Nuts in the churches are Racist Bigots and HATE MONGERS.
(RNC) RACIST NAZI COMMITTEE
"Patty" (which is not a good name for a white cowboy) has the American (can't forget that part) white male hang-ups because white-guys(in America) can't jump in basketball. They can't hit (one on one) in football. They whine a little too much at golf.Patty and Flush can't dance. Patty-Flush can't sing. They can't govern(at least that's proven in the GOP...that is dead). And since as white mobsters(called Soprano's) sell more drugs they don't like the competition . It's no wonder Flush and Patty have these hang-ups. They aren't as smart as women either. Just, Yanks (literally)!
But Patty wears a two-gun holster, complete with pearl handled pistols, blackberry,hell phone,and silver bullets. Put some fringe around it and he'll bring us back to the Gene Autrey days. I love those days. I just love ol' 2 gun Patty. He and his kind do have a lot of issues. Insecurity and paranoia will destroy ya.
Dale Evans
Isn't white a color? Aren't white people also people of color? Are the Portuguese Hispanic but not Latino? Are the residents of the Vatican Latino?
White, in optics, is the combination of all colors...
Black, on the other hand, is the absence of color...
funny, hunh?
Are you a moron? Do you always ask stupid questions? Do you have a point? If I'm white but born in Africa and move to America am I still an African-American?
of biden, sotomayor and obama: she was the 'whitest' of them all...
in situations like this, are people like Rush and Buchanan just plain stupid or purposely misrepresenting and leaving the context out of quotes. If it's the latter, I would hope that the people that listen and agree with them would be insulted that both think so little of them. But I realize it's a lost cause to try to reason with "dittoheads".
My understanding is that the whole "better then a white male" quote was in response to her presiding over cases involving either minorities or sexism against females. In that context how is what she said racist? Even this morning Alicia Witt on MSNBC said the quote out of context....it's infuriating but I realize it makes good entertainment to stir up the hate...
Pat Buchanan reminds me of the racist old grandpa who you just kind of nod to when they go to crazy town and then roll your eyes at when they walk away....
"in situations like this, are people like Rush and Buchanan just plain stupid or purposely misrepresenting and leaving the context out of quotes." The answer, unfortunately, is YES to BOTH! I'd also add Hannity & Beck to the mix. They're all trying to tear down American values by framing everything they say in lies or innuendo.
I'm ashamed that any of them call themselves American, when they want nothing less than to start another Civil War!
Shrum was right about the subject at hand, but when Buchanan made the comment about taking advice from "someone batting 0-8 for his own party"....well, he was right about that!
Shrum might be a nice guy, but he sucks when it comes to running campaigns. Any future Democratic candidate running for federal office should listen to Shrum's advice, and then do the exact OPPOSITE of what he says.
That's why Buchanan's insult was so ineffective. Shrum was invited on the program to give his analysis and his opinion about the right wing attacks on Sotomayor. I think Shrum has consistently been one of the best at sharply articulated analysis and opinion for the Democrats.
without irony cannot be believed in any case...
"That woman" has been on the bench for 17 years, adjudicated hundreds of cases, written a shelf full of legal articles, briefs and opinions - and the best the rightie attack-squad can come up with is go after her for one misquoted answer to a specific question (artfully ignored, because the question gives the context - she was being asked specifically about cases involving immigrants).
Alito said much the same thing about his ethnic background. Nobody minded. How fucked up is that?
the world according to bob shrum...
racial inequality: bad, bad, bad
economic inequality: good, good, good
and, patsy buchanan, one day the poor white christian male's persecution will be over, thanks to your vigilance to stamp out equality
really, though, shrum and buchanan are both a big part of the problem. will someone please turn off their mics?
Every time Rush and Pat speak you can hear them lose more votes. For as offensive as the people sound let them keep talking. You don't bury people alive but what's the point in waiting in declaring the GOP dead and not burying them.
is intended to be a factual statement
Buchannan and his ilk do this FOR A LIVING. They are well paid to spew and sizzle. It's all about the money. They literally have no conscience about what they say as long as they get paid to say it. The question is - why are the networks and programming directors hiring delusional, racist, misogynist psychopaths? Beyond the "fair & balanced" canard or the "presenting both sides" fallacy I just don't get it.
i completely agree. i am starting to think that patsy buchanan actually keeps his sarcophagus at msnbc studios, so that he is always available for comment. and shrum, fuck me, he is all about the benjamins.
as to your question, i would say the answer hovers somewhere between the msms's aim to turn everything into a partisan he said/she said shouting match, and the knowledge that these 2 bumblefucks (although they are far from the only media whores) will never stray far from the ruling class' interests and the corporatocracy's profit-motive
Ya, the executives and producers are the real problem. Who the hell are they anyway? Why don't we ever see them on TV? Why don't we direct our objections at them?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Because your service doesn't count if you don't tow the Republican party line.
It's the same as how they support our troops until they hear a soldier say something they don't like (like asking about their inferior body armour) or if they just need a scape goat to throw to the wolves then they no longer support those troops.
If this were a male and said what she said, they would not be talking this way. Of course they are quoting her out of context. And if they would be crying about it if a Democratic talking head kept misquoting.
So why are they afraid of Sotomayor. Is their ego getting in the way? Of course if this were a republican president they would not be having this discussion.
A male did say this: Alito.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Pretty cool! The mask gets peeled off Buchanan and you get to see the seething ugly maggot beneath. The more people get to see the reality of the repugnacans the less they like them.
I would like to have heard Pat's response to Alito's similar comment at the end there.
As for the exchange, Shrum might have been better off just letting Pat speak uninterrupted while he hung himself (and his Party) with his own words.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
White males are persecuted because
Sat, 05/30/2009 - 09:09 — woody
they are no longer permitted to pretend they aren't privileged."
Remember for the last few years, the Liberal blogs had sarcastically renamed the Civil Rights Division of DOJ to the "CIVIL WHITES" Division of DOJ? Think Schlotzman, etc.
Those REPUG leaders are like a bunch of crying baby girls looking for mom's tittie!
No matter who you are your experiences add a unique flavor to the person. She has a different prospective of life than others do, especially the status quo that the Republicans want to keep in power.
That no one ever vote for buchannon.
man what a bigot and an idiot!
Buchanan was correct in his infamous 1992 GOP Convention speech that there is ""a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. "It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the Cold War itself." I agree, partly because of President Nixon's "Southern Strategy" (which Buchanan, working for Nixon at the time, likely helped develop) to stir up hot-button cultural issues and appeal to Southern white men, and continuing by the right wing through today. For the first 6 years of George Bush's presidency, I felt that the right was winning this cultural war, through superior, disciplined messaging ("support the troops,", "they hate America," etc.), but now I think they're losing, and if they continue to go overboard on the Sotomayor nomination, they're truly in danger of relegating themselves back to the "lunatic fringe" status they had for years, and dragging the Republican Party (which they dominate) down with them.
Perhaps superior messaging cannot hide an inferior product forever.
She's an "intellectual property" specialist. She will side with the other corporatists on the SC on every issue that benefits the wealthy.
all Latinos and all women in general.
Every hurtful stereotype and thing that can possibly be said is out there right now. It doesn't feel good to be Latina at the moment. I'm utterly disgusted with the likes of Pat, Rush, Glenn, etc. carrying on as the oppressed white men while having to watch Ms. Sotomayer's reputation and dare I say it, humanity savaged in ways that also savage everything I am as a Latina, and everything many of the women I know and love are as Latinas.
*THIS* is fucking why Ms. Sotomayor said that Latinas have an advantage over white males in judging sexism and racism. Until these men have had a week like she has had, or that I have had, or the women I love have had, then they have no damn idea what they're talking about and they can go fuck themselves.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The biggest problem with white males in America is their sense of ENTITLEMENT which is on grand display now that a non-white male is in power. Obama is their worst nightmare!
It is common knowledge displayed daily by the gop. Granted some hide it better, but it always comes out. And for Rush and Pat speak of the racism of another when they fail to recognise it in themselves is so typical.
Pat would probably prefer someone like N.B. Forrest or J. Davis. I'm sure he wouldn't consider them racist in any way.
I just love the left right paradigm they need to just kiss and make up.
All that pretend hate is not good for one's health. Liberals crack me up since they always act like they can"understand the plight of the minority" that is until their children bring one home as the the future in law LOL.
The conservatives are just outright with their bigotry most times, which make it a lot easier to figure out who use to be/or is/was the clansman (sen Byrd) inserted.Don't they have a tree somewhere they need to be hugging or tell us how fat people are causing global warming.
That's pure republicani projection. Propaganda. You have been brainwashed. Take your time and soak up some reality before it's too late for you.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I recently had someone claim to me that Buchanan's notorious 1990s statement on immigrants - about how only dark-skinned immigrants from Latin America are problematic, not white ones from Canada or Europe - that that hateful statement from Buchanan was somehow an anti-racist statement, a mere commentary on the racism of others. Buchanan's racist vomit here should lay aside any confusion about his thoughts on race at this point. Astonishing but predictable from the author of the proto-fascist "culture wars" address at the 1992 Republican convention.
I can't help but feel like shit reading some of the comments. I understand that less than 1 percent of white people have held power and acted in the way that leaders throughout the world have always acted throughout history. And I know that because this relatively tiny group of people are/were predominantly white, it's easy to group all white people in there. But it's either disingenuous, ignorant or just racist to say some of the things being said here. Just as it's disingenuous for Buchanan to act appalled at a relatively minor poor choice of words by Sotomayor.
The fact is that in 2006 over 16 million white americans were living under the poverty level- the largest group under the poverty line (albeit not per capita). I think it's pretty ridiculous to spew all this about how privileged they are.
It's about time, I would think, people started getting things right and stopped using race as the main classification/division. The fact of the matter is that there is a ruling class, and then the rest of us. If you're not in that ruling class, then you're just what everyone else here is... not a race, just a number.
Can we maybe start looking past race? Doubtful I think - Too many people still want to separate themselves out of pride or any number of reasons, but I think it will be a detriment to our society's progress if we don't. Separate can't be equal... right? If we keep separating, then we're just asking to stay off balance.
Enlightened comments:
"Patty" (which is not a good name for a white cowboy) has the American (can't forget that part) white male hang-ups because white-guys(in America) can't jump in basketball. They can't hit (one on one) in football. They whine a little too much at golf.Patty and Flush can't dance."
"White males are persecuted because they are no longer permitted to pretend they aren't privileged."
"*THIS* is fucking why Ms. Sotomayor said that Latinas have an advantage over white males in judging sexism and racism."
The full paragraph I typed was: "*THIS* is fucking why Ms. Sotomayor said that Latinas have an advantage over white males in judging sexism and racism. Until these men have had a week like she has had, or that I have had, or the women I love have had, then they have no damn idea what they're talking about and they can go fuck themselves."
My point was that it is sickening to me that assholes like Buchanan, Beck, and Limbaugh are whining about being oppressed white males meanwhile I am seeing many of the most vicious stereotypes about Latinas and women in general everywhere lately and the three aforementioned assholes are among those perpetrating these steretypes. The paragraph referred to those three men, and others like them, not all white men.
But hey, if you're able to cut pieces out of my post to make it sound like I'm oppressive towards white men everywhere, go right ahead.
In the meantime, I will have to continue to deal with seeing my gender and racial background reduced to bodily functions, Carmen Miranda movies, and liking certain kinds of food.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
However, my father's working/poor class status didn't seem to stop him from making sexist and racist statements.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
So your full paragraph was implying that "white males" could not possibly have a week where they had to hear how bad or vicious or crude they were...
I think we all look through our own blinders a bit. I'm not saying you don't have valid criticisms of certain individuals, but I think every time we bring a race or a color into it, then it loses some validity as a whole. You simply cannot categorize people (or people's actions) by race and be accurate - too much diversity in all races.
I'm sure I'm looking through my own blinders a bit too.
You're once again inserting "all white males" where I basically saying "white male political pundits who say they're so oppressed out one side of their mouths and savaging Latinas on the other side of their mouths"
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Hmm... I see "white males"... It reads to me as if you're saying Sotomayor's comments about white males not being able to judge as well as Latina women is valid because these (or all) white men can't have a week where they hear how bad they are...
I would think that's not accurate. How ever unfortunate it is to white people, Pat Buchanan is white. And so if he can't have a week where he hears how bad his race is, then no white person can either...
My original post needs to be taken in its entirety, that I am referring to the pundits who have been spewing their crap all week.
Since you still want to see racism on my part, I have no choice but to give up on the thread and go elsewhere. Sorry.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
It's unfortunate you get defensive and can't take in what I'm saying.
Really, I am taking your post in its entirety. You made it clear what you meant.
What you're trying to say is that white pundits who spew crap can't have a week where they hear how bad their race is... right?!?!?! And as I explained before, if they can't, then no white men can. And that's ridiculous.
It's interesting that you can't see whatsoever how you may say some prejudice things, even if unintentionally. Yet you were the same one I remember reading a month or so ago about thinking a couple who crossed the street in front of you were racist. Because they crossed the street and were white. And a restaurant owner who served you a free drink, only did so because he was racist and scared of you. Because you and the other girl with you weren't white.
You seem to put a lot of stock in white people being racist, yet completely miss out on how poorly it seems you judge them.
I've read the whole thread and it's obvious you just don't get it. The poor little white men your defending may have had to listen to people who don’t like what they have said, but they have never been held in slavery, they have never had to endure hatred based solely on the color of there skin or their gender, they have never been thought of as property, they have never been hung or drug behind a pickup truck just because of who they are, and they have never had to fight for the same rights that everyone else takes for granite. You just don’t get it and you never will; that’s because you have never had to experience it – and that is exactly what judge Sotomayor is talking about. When it comes to race and gender issues, she has had to live them and in doing so has an insight that no white male has. Idiot!
said, but was too angry and upset (the accusations of racism on my part were the cherries on the turd cake that this week has been) to do so articulately.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The point has been missed by you two apparently. I was only asking that generalizations not be made. thanks
[Update - I see you didn't have the guts to leave your comment up. Edited the whole thing out, didn't you?]
You’re wrong! It was completely on point; that being that you don’t get it and never will. That’s why you used statistics, like those about the number of white people below poverty, in a way that supported you argument. You have to look at it per capita or it means nothing; that’s where the injustice shows itself.
You also are trying to put words in my mouth that were never said just like you did Annaleigh’s. For example, I never said Sotomayor was a slave, you twisted my point into something it wasn’t (something Rush, Glen, and Bill’o would do) and in her case you made things up and then jumped her for it. I’ve read all her posts for the last couple of days and no where in there, particularly in the thread she had with you, did she say anything about people who walk in front of her car being racists. You brought that into the conversation. Ever thought about working for FOX; you’d be great at it.
Also, if you think that the US is less racist than the rest of the world you’re nuts. I suggest you read “Into the Devil’s Den” - a story written by a friend of mine who spent three’s undercover investigating the Aryan Nations – maybe then you’ll have a clue to how racist we can be.
Some of your points in another context would be quite valid, but they had nothing to do with Annaliegh’s original point – It was her thread you were commenting on. What she was saying was that it has been very difficult to watch racism rear its ugly head the way it has this week. That’s what you don’t get.
You are right about one thing, it is frustrating. No matter how much you might try to get it you never will until you have to live it. ACORN member and Hispanic girl friend not with standing.
I took down my post because I didn't want to continue it, and since nobody had responded yet and it was late at night, I didn't think anyone would have read it yet. It was obvious the discussion was being taken completely out of context, so I just wanted it to stop.
The statistic about the white people living below the poverty line was used to emphasize the point that it's disingenuous to say "white" people are privileged. Obviously there's a whole lot that aren't.
You said the poor little white men have never been held in slavery. I wondered why you would bring that up with Sotomayor... as if she or her ancestors were held in slavery.
Yes, the US is less racist than many many other countries. Of course if you look at the Aryan nation and then apply it to the US as a whole, it would seem the US is very racist. But the Aryan nation is hardly predominant in this country or amongst "white" americans as a whole.
"No matter how much you might try to get it you never will until you have to live it." ... I've been the "white kid" half my life. I know what it feels like to be judged based on the color of my skin and that's why it irritates me so much. I always get attacked for saying it too; it's like everyone attacking me is either not "white" (and thinks it's impossible for any "white" person to have ever been judged by people with different color skin) or they are "white" people who probably have no idea what it's like living in an urban center instead of in the suburbs. And you, you continue it by assuming (I guess because I'm white... what else were you basing it on?) that of course I've never been judged based on the color of my skin. And I know for a fact my hispanic girlfriend has not lived a much different life than anyone else in her neighborhood, which was my point. There is not a standard latina woman experience - it ranges from place to place, person to person.
My points were valid, YOU were the one who wanted to pull them out of context.
FYI: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm
... edit ... nevermind
Took down this comment too, I see.
I guess you wanted to take out the part about people walking in front of her car being racist. Didn’t want to get busted, did ya'?
Oh! And the part about you voting for Nader twice – thanks for helping to give us eight years of George Bush.
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I voted for who I believed in. I suppose you would have rather had Lieberman as the VP?
People walking in front of her car? Busted? lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. I said she said people who crossed the street in front of her when she and her girlfriend were walking down the street were racist because they crossed the street. She did say that, it's in her comment history if you had any desire whatsoever to get your facts straight.
How about civil rights Pat?
Screw you and your bigotry.
That woman is smarter that you Pat.
You sound real fu(ked up Pat.
You have been the problem all these years Pat, so thanks for making that clear to us all now.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"...Sonia Sotomayor [he pronounces her name wrong, probably on purpose]..."
Someone should pronounce HIS name as it sounds. That would be:
Butch Cannon
It can work both ways.
Maybe Buchanan would consider changing his name so it is easier for us to pronounce. How about it Pat?
Then he could change his voice so he doesn't sound like a high strung lap dog. How about it Pat?
Then maybe he could change that pathetic look on his face.
BTW - he should check his background - i see some native american in him - we are all pretty well mixed - it only looks to be otherwise.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
What a disgusting rant from white supremacist Buchanan- but I hope he keeps it up, he is showing the world what the republican party really stands for, and that is H*A*T*E
How has the Hispanic media in America reacted to the over the top latino bashing by the Republicans?
Has Geraldo Rivera seen the light and realised his white FOX see him and other Latinos as inferiors?
Will Geraldo Rivera ever see the light? Not if he's still a Republican!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I do, I will let you know.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Pat Buchanan is a racist and needs to be fired from MSNBC. Does anyone have an e-mail address or a phone number for MSNBC or NBC news so we can start a campaign to get him fired? If anyone has started a petition please post the info so I can sign it. It’s time for him to wither into obscurity along with his bigoted ideas.
Buchanan's hatred of Hispanics is so blatent and over the top- he should not be silenced, but should bhe encouraged to go even further to the right-
He will serve as a fine example of how his party is the party of hatred and bigotry. Righties like Pat will do a better job at discrediting and destroying the Republican Party than we ever could-
so to filth like Buchanan, i sau keep on spewing your hate! They only one you will hurt is yourself..
Here's the contact info for MSNBC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/
If you find out about a petition let me know. I need to fight the feelings of powerlessness I've felt about all the racist and sexist attacks all week. So anything proactive I can do will be very welcomed by me.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Annaleigh,
Thanks for the link.
WRG
PS: Chaking is an idiot who just doesn't get it. I read the thread you had with him and couldn't resist adding my two cents in.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
You know, old white man who's afraid of change.
to manage to be confirmed and have representation over and over for and in the Supreme Court for 220 years!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
He is not in any way relevant in 2009.
If I want to hear about the Nixon era, or U.S. race relations up to about 1992 or so, Pat's a good choice, but the world has moved forward since '92 and Pat has not, he is a baffled, out of step dinosaur.
there are valid questions about the handling of the new haven testing procedures and also the manner in which they were adjudicated by sotomayor. the unfortunate thing is, any reasonable debate about the subject immediatly gets trampled by left-right political posturing so that any rational assesment gets lost in the ensuing circus.
Your argument would be more compelling if there was indeed a question as to weather Judge Sotomayor and the other two judges ruled correctly in the New Haven case. In order for her to have allowed the case to proceed she would have had to not follow the law and let her own opinion apply. She would have had to legislate from the bench (in other words – be an activist judge). The law is clear – the plaintiffs did not have cause to bring the suit. That’s all the ruling said - nothing more nothing less. The “controversy” is in the minds of and being floated by people who want to smear her – not in the law. Betcha’ the SCOTUS upholds her ruling. The city had a right to throw out the test results because they (not Sotomayor) felt it wasn’t a fair standard to test applicants for promotions.
how you assume how much i know about the law merely because i observed some irregularities in both new haven's procedures and sotomayor's adjudication.
if it were the SCOTUS would have declared the appeal without merit and it would have died there. instead they've elected to rule on the matter, thus the law is not clear.
Have you read the case... I have. I still bet you SCOTUS upholds the 2nd circuit ruling. Also you seem to think that Judge Sotomayor acted alone. I repeat it was the 2nd Circuit that ruled unanimously that the plaintiffs did not have cause. Why pick on her alone? Do you even know who the other two justices are? You seem to have an agenda – rendering a verdict on Judge Sotomayor with out knowing anything but what you’ve heard in the news.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there that makes it sound as if Judge Sotomayor unilaterally decide that the tests were unfair and kept the white firefighters (and one Hispanic) from getting the jobs – all they did was affirm (by not hearing the case) that the “city’s civil service commission” had a right to throw out the test results after failing to certify them because they believed the test was prejudicial. The civil service commission voted 2-2 in deciding weather to certify the test results – a majority is needed to certify the results of an exam. Without a majority the exam is not certifiable. Since the city’s civil service commission followed the city charter, no laws were broken – hence no need for the 2nd circuit to hear the case. Prior case law supports their decision.
If you think they are wrong, I’d be glad to hear your arguments and look at any supporting case law you can offer. I think your beef is with the city charter and the civil service commission, not Judge Sotomayor and the 2nd circuit court of appeals - they just followed the law.
i've never once in what i've written here complained about anything specific, just vague feelings of "irregularities"...i did that on purpose. remember my first post, wherein i said the debate gets lost in a circus and rational debate isn't possible?
well here you have it...you've just shown me a sterling example of that point.
according to you i'm, "rendering a verdict", i've got a "beef", i "seem to have an agenda" against her, and i "pick" on her. wow! all that from merely saying, "questions", "irregularities", and "manner". looks like i've hit circus gold.
thank you for playing.
this is why rational debate is impossible; as i said before, the atmosphere is too charged on both sides.
btw you can read my posts in all the other forum threads...i'm a sotomayor supporter, just not a robotic lock step glassy eyed one. surprised?
oh, and in all the stuff that you wrote, rebutting attacks i never even made, you never addressed the one point i did make,
"i observed some irregularities in both new haven's procedures and sotomayor's adjudication.
if it were the SCOTUS would have declared the appeal without merit and it would have died there. instead they've elected to rule on the matter, thus the law is not clear."
I still don't see you pointing out what the irregularities are or what specifics you have to support your theories, as I did. I’d still like to know what you think they are. Seriously, what irregularities do you see in the Civil Service Commissions Vote and the Second Circuit Court of Appeals (not Judge Sotomayor by herself) ruling? I’d really like to know. I don’t necessarily agree with New Haven’s CSC, but they did follow the law in making it – and therefore I believe the Second Circuit made the only ruling available without writing new law – something they can’t do.
It’s easy to deal in generalities. The reason so many debates end up as verbal circuses is because people (not you specifically) don’t offer facts – just opinions based on suppositions founded in talking points laced with emotion. Without specifics, the only option left falls in the circus category.
"if it were the SCOTUS would have declared the appeal without merit and it would have died there. instead they've elected to rule on the matter, thus the law is not clear."
i'm not a lawyer and never professed to be, the law's intricacies are moot and i'm not going to get into them(i'll leave that to the lawyers, me im a scientist/engineer) but i do have an opinion based on the one fact above which you still doggedly fail to address.
i don't believe that the law as it is written allowed either new haven or the 2nd circuit court of appeals to arrive at a reasonable decision, that's why it wasn't rejected without merit and was accepted on the docket by SCOTUS for consideration. thus SCOTUS itself deems the law and case itself "questionable" enough for consideration. neither new haven nor the 2nd circuit court could make a proper final decision as it's the law itself that needs elucidation at the highest level (namely SCOTUS) thus it's the law's shortfall and not the city's nor the 2nd circuit's.
my main point, as always, was that discourse nowadays is met by vitroil at the merest sign of stepping out of lockstep...either on the left or the right. a point you readily proved.
If you’re just going to keep quoting yourself and not offer up any specifics there is no point continuing this circus.
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as you don't wish to address my point.
When is it determined that a person has gone completely around the bend and needs to be hospitalized?and... Why isn't the media reporting that Limbaugh has gone completely mad out of his mind ? .... just watch him ... he's mentally disturbed and should be taken off the air ... Pat isn't that far behind.
The point Andrea was making at the end was a good one. It's was where Alito talked about how is Italian immigrant heritage would help him on the court.
Pat's a racist bastard, and I'm surprised that MSNBC has him on so of ten. Maddow has him on regularly. He's helped Nixon to develop and implement his racist Southern Stategy.
Everyone knows FAT JUNKIE makes $10 million a year and is discriminated upon.
Boo hoo, fuckin' hoo.........
GOP... Goofy Old Peckerheads.
Check out this clip and post on Tom Tancredo.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1481
MLK said "judge a person not by the color of his/her skin color but by the content of their character. But so far all I've read is how she is a Latina and grew up poor. Well guess what a lot of people have grown up poor and made something of themselves, some the right way others the wrong way. I don't want someone on the court whose views are skewed based on her race or her ethnicity, i want her to enforce the law based on truths and facts not her opinions. I must say though this is the best tactical move I've seen in a while in politics, because if there's one thing in America that we still hate to talk about it's race. Since she is a minority pick, anytime you challenge her based on her past rulings and comments that she has stated you will be called out as a racist. This is sad and shameful she is being used by one party to solidify their hold indefinitely, and used by the other to stir indifference and division.
Don't you just love politics......shameful but i wonder if she's a gun grabber or just malleable enough to rule according to the administration policies they set forth and if that's why she was nominated!!! HMmmm time will tell where she really stand....
MLK also said he was for affirmative action; people conveniently forget that.
Anytime someone not white or male is picked for ANYTHING then the crybabies let loose a torrent of tears about how difficult it is for them to criticize the person w/out being called a racist. Too often it is because the criticism is rooted in bigotry.
Lindsay Graham cried after asking Alito if he was a bigot just ONE time, but there were no tears of sympathy for Sotomayor after her excruciatingly repetitive grilling about the "wise Latina" remark.
WOW ... Buchanan is disgraceful and the clip of Limbaugh frothing at the mouth is something to see. These men are stark raving mad out of their minds .... Limbaugh is mentally unstable. It's like watching a horror show.
..Pat B., Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc., they are lousy at what they do and they happen to be white. How will Sotomayor do on the bench? I dunno', how did she do so far? ....she's a what? a woman! what's that got to do with the job at hand? she's a latina? to quote darth cheeney, SO? All I care about is whether she will uphold the laws of this nation and interpret cases based on the fundamentals set forth in the Constitution. Nothing else here, move along!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Mr. Buchanan has more truth and intellect than these comments that seem to have been written by the same person. Wait until your children do not get into "that" school, or get "that" job, or get "that" promotion, and continually work for, and answer to people who are of the right color, but lack the skills and abilities of your children. Maybe then your eyes will open to what is to what is occurring, but then again, I think you probably all ready know it, and what makes me want to puke is that you applaud the disappearance of pure ability over racial correctness. Bob Struum is the idiot.
What Buchanan said was right on target & so true here. Reverse discrimination against whites. All of the comments I read here are SO liberal, SO naive. You people are laughable. The people of the greatest generation would have no use for any of you. Your mentality is that which will destroy a nation - Obama lovers.
our "kind" will be responsible for the downfall of this country. Oh, wait. No, I'm not. The cream will always rise to the top. All it needs is a chance to do so. Bigot. Cry baby. Racist. Republic**t.
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