UPDATED: Conservative Waukesha County Clerk "Finds" 7,000 Votes For Prosser
4:30pm Update: In her press conference about a half-hour ago, Kathy Nickolaus claimed she failed to import the results from Brookfield City into her master tally that was reported to the press. The numbers she reported as an 'update' which gave Prosser 7,000 more votes were clearly reported in real time on election night.
As expected, Brookfield city voters ran up a good turnout in the state Supreme Court race and gave incumbent Justice David Prosser nearly 11,000 votes.
Unofficial, unaudited results showed 76 percent of city residents who voted picked Prosser, with 24 percent voting for challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg.
The numbers were identical to the ones Nickolaus just reported. She claims they weren't imported into the spreadsheet, but if that were true, the discrepancy should have been 14,715 votes total.
Part of the problem is how she's using different numbers for the same conclusion. The difference between 14,715 and 3,456 is 11,259. But she claims the "extra" was 7300+. So how is it that some, but not all, votes were recorded even though she forgot to "save"?
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Sure, sure it was a computer error. This comes from County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus just a few minutes ago.
David Prosser gained about 7,582 votes in Waukesha County, according to a summary statement from the board of canvassers.
Canvassers around the state were updating their totals Thursday, with Prosser and JoAnne Kloppenburg each making gains.
Those changes pale in comparison to the change in Waukesha County, where Prosser's total increased by 11,008 and Kloppenburg's rose 3,426.
County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus is planning a news conference in about 20 minutes to explain the change from initial reports Tuesday night.
Waukesha County's board of canvassers just met in the county courthouse in Waukesha. It was earlier reported that Prosser picked up 200 votes in New Berlin after a clerical error was discovered, according to Pat Karcher, a member of the board of canvassers in Waukesha County. Karcher spoke during a break in the canvassers meeting. The error occurred in Ward 12, where a vote for Prosser was reported as 37 but the tape revealed 237 votes for Prosser.
It seems that Kathy Nickolaus has a history with regard to questionable election practices:
The issue came to a head when Nickolaus removed the election results collection and tallying system from the county computer network this spring and installed it on standalone personal computers in her office. She has said they are backed up with redundant systems.
Director of Administration Norman A. Cummings said Nickolaus has been uncooperative with attempts to have information technologists review the system and confirm the backups.
He said he isn't interested in placing the system on the county network, but he wants to know whether the system is functional and secure and whether the county will have to replace equipment and programs in the next budget year - in time for the next presidential election.
"It is not a good idea to have one person in charge of everything," Cummings told the committee. "There should be someone who also reviews things. I'm not saying it should be IT. But there should be more accountability than there is now."
Nickolaus had asked for a postponement of the discussion because she had scheduled poll worker training before the matter was scheduled for committee action.
In several memos to the committee, she said she didn't have confidence that security wouldn't be breached with the county's information technology department.
She presented information from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission that said voting systems should never be connected to a network not under the election official's control.
She also said she's running the most current election software certified - as required - by the state.
The only old equipment, she wrote, was a computer that collects results from local polling places by modem over the telephone lines.
Waukesha County is one of three or four counties that use that method.
Guess this is a surprise! right
It is flat out time to riot.
I see it coming, If I was in WI I'd have a pitchfork and torch.
is intended to be a factual statement
...flipping out anyway. This is so bad; so blatant.
SICK.
Republicans. It's all I need to say. The word is a pejorative in an of itself. Evil ass Republicans.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
This is Florida 2000 all over again, and they're not even hiding it. These assholes will not fight fair and will NEVER fight fair. Heads need to roll for this shit.
NOBODY 2012
Just kidding.
this is just more gop voter fraud.
this entire wi gop should be put
in prison .
and if a voter count is demanded, we will find
that none of the wi votes will be available, they
will somehow all be misplaced by this same
fucking criminal gop woman.
It's not voter fraud. It's election fraud and I warned ya'll about it.
pray for a gop early rapture.
I doubt that this will be the end of this, given this woman's past history. I truly think that this will be seen as, and investigated as voter fraud. You know, the kind republicans are always insisting that the democratic party is involved in?
train, apparently car accidents and plane crashes are easy to produce.
Election fraud.
...that's it, right?
All over?
*sigh*
America, R.I.P. (1776 - Fox News)
Just 'Cos You Got the Power...THAT DON'T MEAN YOU GOT THE RIGHT!
This better be some sick joke.
is intended to be a factual statement
vicious socialist Dems and Union thugs up to their ol tricks again.
Smells like Florida 2000 all over again.
7,500 votes just appeared out of thin air?
This raises serious questions about her competence if the original count was that far off.
This is the type of banana republic corruption that we can expect to see in new latin american style society that the GOP is trying to impose on the United States. Their primary goal is the end up with 5% of the population with 95% of the wealth. This corruption is a means to that end.
The Democrats need to FIGHT this. Gloves off, no politeness, no mealy mouthed statements.
Call them out for the lying, corrupt frauds that they are.
happen in Ohio in 2004? Late on election night it looked as if Kerry was the winner, but Bush refused to concede. Went to bed and when he woke up in the morning....Bingo!! They had found more ballots for Georgie Boy that put him over the top.
I believe it's called The Republican Rebound.
Oh, and this is ELECTION fraud which happens frequently...unlike VOTER fraud, which Rethugs are always yapping about. I believe they found somewhere between 2 and 4 VOTER fraud cases in the last election.
The history of ELECTION fraud in recent years where Rethugs were in charge of counting:
In charge of counting votes in Florida (winning electoral votes) in 2000: Katherine Harris, head of the Bush Re-election committee.
In charge of counting votes in Ohio(winning electoral votes) in 2004: Ken Blackwell, head of the Bush Re-election committee.
In charge of counting votes in Waukesha County, loyal Republican County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus--Nickolaus removed the election results collection and tallying system from the county computer network this spring and installed it on standalone personal computers in her office.
She "found" 7,000 votes--that would be quite a pile of votes to have been initially "overlooked", dontcha think?
Are we sensing a pattern here?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
and then when Mike McConnell was supposed to testify about how the voting machine software was rigged, his private plane crashed....what a surprise!!!??!!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
completely ignored it. Amy Goodman covered it. I did a post on it at Video Cafe here
Democracy Now: Mark Crispin Miller on the Death of Mike Connell and Election Theft in 2008
SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Give a Rethug some role in the electoral process and . . . presto changeo new election results.
It's pretty sad that we need the UN to come in and monitor our elections to stop this shit from happening.
rigged for years.
But IS the UN here to stop this?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It's a miraaaaacle! Why you guys hate jaysus?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I wonder how much this little stunt cost
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
...out from under their human-leather made couch cushions.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Chump change.
You have to be kidding. Isn't it a condition of employment that you commit fraud for "The Party" if you are a Rethuglican official?
People scream about voter fraud, but this is the real thing. This has to be fully exposed to the people of Wisconsin and world and people need to go to jail.
Voter fraud is when a voter tries to vote more than once, or illegally.
Election fraud is when things like this happen: Enough votes are "found" after the fact that put the previous loser over the top.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
And you won't hear a peep out of the teabaggers.
NOBODY 2012
Election fraud.
Nickolaus was past president of Republican Women of Waukesha County . . and this last Aug.
Waukesha County to audit election equipment. Clerk criticized for not sharing data with other departments
Toldya so!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Republican Women Of Waukesha County Executive Committee
she sounded scared.....ya think she's afraid she might get revealed for
ELECTION FRAUD?!!!!
They're saying it's an unprecedented huge number of ballots to be "overlooked". She said she forgot to hit "save" after she entered the votes. Yeah, right; well, she sounds pretty incompetent to have such an important job, dontcha think?
I think a lie detector test might be in order.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
.
Witch..., witch...., witch........
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
with a similar-sized pile o' cash.
So easy, even a teabagger could do it...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I was wondering yesterday how they would steal the election. Guess I got my answer. In 2011 we should have multiple safeguards and backups not fewer. But coming soon we'll have to show our ID to prove we have the right to vote, another way to disenfranchise. Why bother with IDs when all the Republicans have to do is have one person "safeguard" the computers.
Looking more into this, but according to the linked jsonline article:
"Nickolaus says the reason for the big change is that data transmitted from the City of Brookfield was imported but that she failed to save those results to the database. Brookfield cast 14,315 votes on April 5 -- 10,859 of those votes went to Prosser and 3,456 went to JoAnne Kloppenburg."
Interesting considering that according to Wikipedia, Brookfield had 6300 residents total in 2000.
Town of Brookfield has 6300. City of Brookfield has 39607.
No one noticed a big zero on the initial count?
If this was a genuine mistake, she should be fired for incompetence. If it's electoral tampering, then it should be jail instead.
Is now offically kaput.
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The first mention of a Democrat saying "voter fraud" will be met with derision and outright mockery by the msm and republican talking heads.
Fast forward to the 2012 elections and "voter fraud" will be trumped again, this time by republicans and the msm itself as a reason for voter ID.
That's how it always goes.
Alan Grayson says "The Republican healthcare plan is to not get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly." - the MSM, Republicans, and centrists absolutely freak out and say that's ridiculous hyperbole.
Sarah Palin says Healthcare Reform contains death panels. This is treated fairly seriously by most of the Republican establishment, and rarely criticized in the MSM.
And so it will go with this - 7000+ votes materializing from nowhere to put a Republican over the line, after the election is called won't even warrant an investigation; but if it happened in reverse we'd be seeing recounts for months and unlimited bleating about "Voter fraud" - much of which would involve wink-wink-nudge-nudge-know-what-I-mean references to brown people of one stripe or another.
We're fucked.
Election fraud.
that no one noticed the discrepancy earlier ... all it takes is a simple check to see that the sum of all candidates votes is equal to the number of votes cast in the precinct ... and that should be done before any number is reported ... anything over 10 vote discrepancy should not be reported until that discrepancy is accounted for
Okay this enrages me, obvious fraud.
JFK . . .
Okay, I admit I was trolling with that one.
But yes, I share y'all's outrage with this. Hopefully an investigation is launched.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
election days should be holidays by law, and all votes should be on paper ballots. machines can read them, but there has to be a paper trail. government inspectors should examine every machine.
the oligarchy does not want this because they don't want democracy, they want a corporate state, period. end of story.
we need a socialist party, if they are going to steal elections, at least we need candidates to tell the truth about our system while they go down in flames.
"...all votes should be on paper ballots. machines can read them, but there has to be a paper trail. government inspectors should examine every machine."
That's exactly how it's done in Wisconsin, and has been for the last fifteen years at least.
Is he going to write in the WSJ about this one too?
"Find 7000 votes for Prosser" in a tight election?
The numbers smell. I don't question that the votes were cast. They clearly were because they were reported ON ELECTION NIGHT and are exactly the same. The issue is why, if she failed to report 14,715 votes, the discrepancy isn't the total number of Prosser votes. It's only enough to toss him over the top and out of automatic recount status.
He had a total of 10.859. But they "misreported" just over 7,000. What accounts for the discrepancy?
out of automatic recount status."
Doesn't that sound suspicious to you? JUST enough to invalidate the triggering of the recount process?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
There is no automatic recount in Wisconsin. But what this does do neatly is it will force the Kloppenburg camp to PAY for the recall. If the vote differential is greater than 0.5% of all votes cast, then the burden is on the person calling for the recount. Estimates for a full recount are somewhere over $1 million.
If the new votes are bogus, this is obviously a gambit to put a recount out of reach. If they are bogus, this will be borne out in the recount. Wisconsin has a strong paper trail, what we have to watch for now is blocks of physical ballots mysteriously disappearing.
I use to wonder why the French beheaded Marie Antoinette, now I get it.
but the justice department should be there right now!
not tomorrow morning, not next week, these machines and this lady's computer should have already have been impounded.
seriously, if these computers are not at an fbi lab by 7AM, holder should resign at 7:01. i mean it, charges of partisanship be damned, this is their job, or am i mistaken?
to do his job. Hilarious.
Common sense has reared it's ugly head!!!!
You belong in Libya.
he only plays a tough guy. No fighting for him.
Typical Republican.
Sometimes things that are "Common" are just stupid... Like the the fact that the average "common" FOX viewer is the most uninformed person in the World.
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Wow, I wonder how much of the KOCH Sucker money she's taken?
TPM has a piece in which the Democratic Vice Chair of Waukesha is vouching for the result.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/wa...
I thought he sounded more like a justifiably pissed-off American citizen who has just been witness to blatant election fraud.
I guess she musta stuck them in her handbag and then forgot. Look for her in her new yacht, somewhere warm, sometime soon.
far left loon >.<
I was born and raised in this closeminded town. They are the biggest liars and cheats around. Total Republican idiots who will stab you in the back when you don't agree with them. I call it the Bush bubble of the MidWest. The people are very misinformed and like it that way. Thank God I moved to the East 30 years ago. I could not stand their mentality anymore.
I hope this woman gets investigated for election fraud. Something smells here big time. Then again...something always smelled in Waukesha.
No hanging chads?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
This country cannot be saved. I really hate to say that but this is the smoldering corpse of the republic.
Other countries have been through worse, and they've come out the other side.
I'm not saying it'll be pleasant, or easy; but it will happen. History shows us one simple truth about everything:
This too shall pass; and in 200 years this will be merely a dark stain on our history.
I question whether America will be here in 200 years. Or if it will be like Somalia.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
i have to wonder about even fifty years, from the outside looking in.
These scum bags always find a way to screw us over. Really I give up on this voting thing. Idiots run the thng to the benifit of the powers that be. Is any one really surprised.
stephen
"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ..."
It seems obvious to me that nothing short of a revolution is going to save this country. The corporatists have taken complete control of every facet of our lives while a few true Democrats fight to save our democracy. I have protested alongside my friends and family for months here in Wisconsin, and we have tirelessly worked to elect JoAnne Kloppenburg only to witness this despicable deception perpetrated by the Koch brothers and their favorite whore, Scott Walker.
MadCityGal
Our government will gun us down in the streets. America needs to be invaded and occupied by an outside force.
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
Quick, send in Al Gore and John Kerry! They'll straighten things right out.
We all know that, have known that at least since Nixon, two generations ago.
Question is what are the spineless Dims doing to protect their voters and Democracy?
Not too damn much. Still.
how these election "mistakes" always seem to be made my Republicans in the Republican's favor.
It's downright uncanny.
Why, it's almost like they aren't mistakes at all.
http://elections.wispolitics.com/2011/04/kloppenburg-campaign-statement.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Wisconsin election has Florida written all over it. Funny how these things only happen where republicans are in charge and they always somehow are in the republicans favor, funny.
America is SO very broken we can't even count votes right. Canada uses paper, counts them by hand, and NEVER has an issue. There can only be one explanation, and you all know what it is.
It was pointed out to me, here at C&L, yesterday, printing all those paper ballots is not a green policy. Just sayin'.
far left loon >.<
We can regrow trees. Sounds pretty green to me.
recycle the paper as well.
which do you want, a free hand for these asshats to steal elections or a verifiable paper trail so that the person people ACTUALLY voted for is correctly elected?
I wasn't talking about getting away from paper- in fact, it's the best way to go. But printing up a lot more ballots than you think you need is wasteful. Typical turnout in April elections in Dane County: 20%-25%. Turnout this past Tuesday: 70%. Not twice as many as normal, but three times the normal turnout.
Get it yet? I wasn't talking about preferable methods of counting votes- again, I think ballots should be counted by hand- but greener and more economic practices. Why pay to print up ballots for 70% when you think that, top end, 50% might vote?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Come the fart on, what has green to do with this? those ballots can be designed so they can be used again, so stop with the hot air.
Ministerbruce
fuel the Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison power plant the Governor is giving to the Koch Brothers in return for buying him the election.
Besides we saved plenty of paper already by not printing the Budget Repair Bill and instead posting it on line.
Say, don't the Koch's make paper. The raw material for paper ballots?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...of the ballots, and only 20% of the voters actually vote, do you get the money back from the printers?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Florida, Ohio, now this? In a state that has so much friction goin on in it right now?
A GOper running the election tallies? What could possibly go wrong?
WTF!?!?! In this day and age, how can any one person be in charge of election tallying?
This is going to be drawn out in the courts for months and months. Possibly even over a year.
unbelievable.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
...in a very close election?
Bullshit.
somethings not right here.
The funny part is, I was lurking on a newsvine blog about this election in Wi. All the GOpers were screaming about how the Dems had stolen another election. Now, this. I'll bet they think everything is just fine and dandy now.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I'd like to know how the votes in Waukesha were trending through the day.......
If things were going for the old coot from the start then maybe, but if the trend was at all for JoAnne Kloppenburg then i'd become suspect.
As far as the election being to close to a tie and then they find the extra votes:
Chances are probably statistically the same as a situation where no uncounted votes were found, but it does provide a strong motive to slip a few extra votes in there to upset the result.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
for a recount......hmmmmm, I smell Limburger in the state of Wisconsin.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
For Prosser.
this is fucked up.
Citizens United, collective bargaining, this fucker Prosser being the majority vote in Wisconsin's SC.
Nawww, just a coincidence. The Koch bro's? nawwwwww. What would they have to gain by throwing this election?
It's not like there's a major case going in front of the Wisconsin SC.
nope.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
This is going to be drawn out in the courts for months and months. Possibly even over a year.
It would be nice to document exactly what went down at every minute of that day.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
report it.....must have had to get their stories straight.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
... Republican cries of voter fraud fell silent. How does that work?
There needs to be a paid for recount - ballot by ballot. The supreme court is far too important not to do so.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The WI Supreme Court will vote against it 4-3. Of course Prosser will not recuse himself.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Oh, would you look at that! Abracadabra, 7000 extra votes and a white rabbit out of a hat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRW7pITY5Cg
Rocky & Bullwinkle!
We must proclaim this the result of dishonest villains instead of the stupidity it most probably is. Because it is our right to tear our hair out absent any real facts.
Don't worry folks, the veracity of the Clerk's claim of an honest error can easily be checked. And the tanks will not roll up to your house before this is sorted out.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/119442229....
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
doesn't really explain anything because they all are different.
of that county doesn't show any magical number of "found" ballots which would point toward fraud.
You can also follow Karoli's link to the Brookfield paper. They have a number of stories about the election which would indicate this turnout and the margin of victory for Prosser is not at all out of line.
http://brookfield-wi.patch.com/articles/elect...
http://brookfield-wi.patch.com/articles/city-...
And my point is simple. The election totals were reported from Brookfield to the County by the City Clerk. They are the same numbers that appeared, as karoli notes, in the Brookfield paper.
Either the County Clerk did not count Brookfield at all when she reported the county totals on election night, as she now claims, or she is reporting them twice now, as some are trying to imply.
It does not take much to figure out which is which. And no federal troops are needed. Hell even a spineless Democrat without balls can figure this out.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
there needs to be an independant recount in my opinion. Someone outside of the loop completely.
and you are boasting you predicted it election night over at the open thread.
A recount would be fine, but to deal with this issue, all you need to verify is whether
the outcome released election night by the County Clerk, adjusted for other changes
made by the canvassing board, matches the numbers which would reflect the absence of any votes from Brookfield.
Election results released the night of the election are never the official results. Mistakes are made constantly. That is why there are official canvasses. My question is whether proof there was no fraud will do anything to overcome fraudulent logic.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
if the results were stored on a personal computor and I was Secretary of state, I would throw all the votes out. So do you think everyone in Wisconsin pays a lot of attention to me? If so, maybe something will happen but until it's fully resolved, I won't be holding my breath.
for her to come forth with the "found" ballots?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
what I was saying is that the term of voter fraud is correctly called election fraud. I didn't spell it out 100% but that is what I meant.
Once trust in elections is gone, there is no democracy.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
who rose from their graves in alphabetical order in Jim Wells County to proudly sign in at Box 13 with identical handwriting to make Lyndon Johnson the Democratic nominee for the US Senate in 1948.
(Hell, when you are dead both your handwriting and voice are identical to Liberal and Proud, who speaks good English and did not vote in the last election any more than the recently deceased chicanos of Alice, Texas did back in 1948.)
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Am I correct that I heard mention that data was imported into MS Access and it was NOT saved?
If so, this is more difficult to do than 'erasing 18 minutes of White House audio tapes.'
Once any data is added it is, by default, also saved.
No additional action is required.
In fact, for it NOT to be saved would require the actions of deleting, and the action of purging.
This is like 'Outlook Express' :
The data (email) comes in, you do nothing to save it - you can accidentally close 'Outlook Express' - you do not 'lose' anything.
Something may be 'rotten in the state of Denmark' about this.
I found this very interesting article from Coldfusion04 in regards to what
Nickolaus said about NOT saving properly on Microsoft Access.
I would think each precinct in Waukesha has paper with voter signatures on it, even if everything else is computerized. One way to prove fabrication would be to check the vote count against signed in voters. If the numbers don't match then on it's face the announced result is fraudulent.
As an aside from the way the county clerk reacted during her press conference I have to say she seemed credible (even for a Republican).
used MS Access it's a nice brief summation and reaches a conclusion that is readily apparent to most of us. The next question is, what is anybody (DOJ) going to do about it?
This was in response to ramune, above.
Her track record isn't very good.
From last August.
From '06 (pdf).
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
From your "last August" link:
"Rather, she said, it is not her responsibility and that local clerks can post results on municipal websites. She said she doesn't have the staff to enter all the data that's required for such reporting."
The point Joe Beppo made is a good one. The results from Brookfield are in dispute.
Did the County Clerk include them or not when she reported County totals on election night?
Do the totals released after the canvas match the totals recorded and reported election night by the Brookfield City Clerk? According to the Brookfield paper and karoli, they do. If they do not, then to jail with her.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...and when they get to the bottom of it, I bet this clerk is going to be doing some time in prison.
comes of this. It's been proven to be par for the course.
If you like my idea, pass it on.
Digital to Physical to Digital.
You need two machines. The manufactures must be independent of each other.
First machine is used for electronic voting. It tallies the vote total and then prints a physical copy of the choices.
If the voter finds an error on the printout, voter returns printout to machine and re-votes.
If the voter agrees that the printed copy is correct, voter will feed the printout into the second machine. It will scan the printout and tallies the vote total.
If the tallies from the two machines agree, I would trust it. There is also a physical copy and a scanned copy of all the votes.
If we combined this with ‘Instant Runoff Voting’, I think that we would have a great election system.
Judging from what you wrote, you don't. Next to each candidate's name or referendum item is an image of an incomplete arrow (>>> >). With a #2 pencil, voters draw a line to complete the arrow that points to their selection (>>>----->). The ballot is then fed into a scanning machine. Improperly marked ballots are rejected, and the voter has two more opportunities to complete their ballot. Reasons for rejecting a ballot include voting for more than one candidate for the same office, an incompletely marked arrow or stray marks.
In any case, there is a physical, paper ballot that can be recounted when necessary with no hanging chads and no problem with determining voter intent.
Putting an additional maching in the loop as you suggest would just fuck things up.
" The difference between 14,715 and 3,456 is 7,403. " ummmm - according to my calculator, the difference is 11259, which is what the article reported just above that quote.
Looks like the Rethugs aren't the only ones with math issues...
[I may just have stuffed cotton for a brain, but even I know this is just wrong...]
...I subtracted the 3400 from the 11K number instead of the 15K number.
Karl Rove's stench is all over this.
Put GOP UNIT Nickolaus in JAIL!!
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